Death penalty

[Comrade C.A.]

so what are your feelings on the death penalty, and how should it be handled?

[rouchambeau]

For every right there is a duty. If we believe in the right to live, then we have a duty to protect life.

[Global_Justice]

there should be no such thing as death penalty.

[Rhyknow]

Personally, i beleive that the death penalty should be abolished worldwide...

Say a man kills many people... He is commiting murder... If he is shot by the firing squad because of the death penalty, each man on that firing squad is a murderer... By killing that man, we are doing exactly what he did... It's too hypocritical... There is no "good" murder...

[liberationjunky]

I dont think somebody should be killed for making a mistake. Who is the government to say who is allowed to live and who should be killed. Let he who without sin....administer lethal injections.

[Phalanx]

The death penalty in the sense that it is used in the US should be abolished. The death penalty favors the racist penial system we have now, and it should be dismantled along with the other reactionary establishments after the revolution. I'm not too sure of the statistics, but estimates range from 5-10 percent of those on death row are innocent. An execution (or should I say murder) took place in Texas a few years ago, and now his innocence was proven. Of course, the victim of the execution was African-American, and nothing but a short apology was issued from the police.

I am not opposed to using the death penalty during the revolution. Whether it's fascists or informers, they'll get what's coming to them.

Here's a good article:

Innocents and the Death Penalty (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=45&did=292)

[Sankara1983]

Abolish it. Though I wouldn't have cried for people like Nicolae Ceauşescu or Francisco Macías Nguema.

[violencia.Proletariat]

All bourgeois death sentences should be opposed. Using a death sentence in revolutionary and post revolutionary society will most likely be necessary.

[Solitary Mind]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 12:52 AM
All bourgeois death sentences should be opposed. Using a death sentence in revolutionary and post revolutionary society will most likely be necessary.
Of course it will, exactly why executions followed the Cuban Revolution, Fidel knew better, he himself was saved from being killed and look what happened

[RebelDog]

I'm against the death penalty. When Bush was the govenor of Texas I believe he broke records in his signing of death warrants. We civilised people are against it. Its evil sick people like Bush that love it. However if Bush were to be sentenced as such I would temporarily lift my opposition.

[Quills]

I am against the death penalty is it's current form, however I recognise that during a revolutionary and post revolutionary enviroment there will probably need to be some form of organised, democratic killings.

[yns_mr]

any crime doesnt cost one's life who committed it... death penalty must be aolished all around the world...

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 12:32 AM
The death penalty in the sense that it is used in the US should be abolished. The death penalty favors the racist penial system we have now, and it should be dismantled along with the other reactionary establishments after the revolution. I'm not too sure of the statistics, but estimates range from 5-10 percent of those on death row are innocent. An execution (or should I say murder) took place in Texas a few years ago, and now his innocence was proven. Of course, the victim of the execution was African-American, and nothing but a short apology was issued from the police.

I am not opposed to using the death penalty during the revolution. Whether it's fascists or informers, they'll get what's coming to them.

Here's a good article:

Innocents and the Death Penalty (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=45&did=292)
Well said
I think that the only time that I "agree" or buy into the justification of the death penalty is when it involves homicidal rapists or pedophiles or serial killers
But even in this instance, extensive investigation must take place in order to find him/her guilty
Preferably, investigation from an outside and neutral authority and not the police who have a history of incriminating the innocent

[Rollo]

Many people are killed because they were wrongfully accused. Death penalty is teh crap.

[Mesijs]

Abolish it, forever and always. Also during revolutions and thereafter. Maybe in pure war there is a thin line between killing someone in a war and executing the death penalty, and that's a pity.

I think we most act morally superior towards the current practicers of the death penalty. That means we must abolish the death penalty, talk to the people who would have executed us if they were in that position, and convert them to our ideal. No one would think communism is the best if the enemenies of communism will be killed. People will think that it's the best if the enemies of communism will be integrated peacefully in the new society.

[Postteen]

Death doesnt return back the person who was killed.Nobody gains anything from the killer's death.Maybe the relatives, who find a 'justification' or a 'revenge'.In civilized countries it should not exist any more.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 11:41 AM
I think we most act morally superior towards the current practicers of the death penalty. That means we must abolish the death penalty, talk to the people who would have executed us if they were in that position, and convert them to our ideal. No one would think communism is the best if the enemenies of communism will be killed. People will think that it's the best if the enemies of communism will be integrated peacefully in the new society.
What if they don't wanna be integrated into a communist society? And as a result, they start a campaign of terrorism, murder, and sabotage in order to restore capitalism's ugly head?

[Mesijs]

Originally posted by Tekun+Aug 25 2006, 11:52 AM--> (Tekun @ Aug 25 2006, 11:52 AM)
[email protected] 25 2006, 11:41 AM
I think we most act morally superior towards the current practicers of the death penalty. That means we must abolish the death penalty, talk to the people who would have executed us if they were in that position, and convert them to our ideal. No one would think communism is the best if the enemenies of communism will be killed. People will think that it's the best if the enemies of communism will be integrated peacefully in the new society.
What if they don't wanna be integrated into a communist society? And as a result, they start a campaign of terrorism, murder, and sabotage in order to restore capitalism's ugly head? [/b]
If they're still criminals, put them in jail. And in jail, teach them fairly and so forth and let them do some labour on behalf of the community.

[Marukusu]

Executions and many other morally questionable things will probably occur during the revolution, and anyone who believes in a worldwide revolution without bloodshed is an utopist.
During the socialist/communsit society however, the death penalty should be abholished.

[rouchambeau]

I am against the death penalty is it's current form, however I recognise that during a revolutionary and post revolutionary enviroment there will probably need to be some form of organised, democratic killings.

Why is it okay to kill during times of revolution, but not now? If it is okay to kill at one time, is it not okay to kill at any time?

[Delta]

It should certainly be abolished in the hands of the current bourgeois state. Post-revolution the people will decide what is best, and it will be up to them on a case by case basis to determine punishments for actions that harm the interests of others. As all decent people would, they will avoid the death penalty except for circumstances where there is clear guilt as well as an atrocious criminal act. Maybe they will decide each time that the death penalty isn't worth it, maybe they won't, but you can't simply control the people from above with laws against it.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 01:44 PM

I am against the death penalty is it's current form, however I recognise that during a revolutionary and post revolutionary enviroment there will probably need to be some form of organised, democratic killings.

Why is it okay to kill during times of revolution, but not now? If it is okay to kill at one time, is it not okay to kill at any time?
It's ok to kill during a revolution, A.) out of necessity in order to suppress the bourgeoisie and counter revolution and B.) because trials are in proletarian hands and not the bourgeois

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 05:44 PM
Why is it okay to kill during times of revolution, but not now? If it is okay to kill at one time, is it not okay to kill at any time?
The death penalty now is racist and kills innocent people. Using the death penalty during the revolution will occasionally be necessary. When possible, fascists and collaborators should be jailed, but if that's not possible, the death penalty will be applied.

Of course, even during the revolution it's probably unavoidable that innocent people will be killed. That's why it'll be the last resort (or it should).

[Phugebrins]

"Why is it okay to kill during times of revolution, but not now? If it is okay to kill at one time, is it not okay to kill at any time?"

Consider the question: "Why is it ok to kill enemies in wartime, but it's not ok for me to tear down the high street with a machine gun?"

In both cases it's not really 'ok' to kill, it's a tragic, but acceptable necessity in cases where the cause of the war/revolution is just. Of course, the nationalist wars of today do not come under the category of 'just'.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

The death penalty has no place in a civilized society. In the vast majority of cases it is less painful for the guilty party, and more painful for their innocent families, than imprisonment.

That said, I am all for the death penalty during a time of revolution. Against the wall they go! :redstar: :banner: :hammer:

[Cult of Reason]

During the revolution the death penalty would definitely be necessary and used, usually in the form of summary execution I imagine (such as the killing of the priest in Land And Freedom, and of the bishop in Libertarias). Any revolution involves a large amount of chaos, and it would be a waste of resources, as compared to what other things need to be done, to confine people indefinitely until the revolution is won.

Consider the scenario: The militia is patrolling through a city (or some such) and is informed that someone has been passing information to the counter-revolutionary army. What do they do? Spend their energy and time confining him in a prison and feeding him etc.? Of course not! They chuck him against a wall and shoot, and then carry on their patrol. Besides, they are scumbags anyway.

As for the post-revolution, I think that execution will be rare, rarer than today at least (and faster!). I doubt serial killers and murderous psychopaths (who usually are the former anyway) will get much sympathy, so against the wall they go! Of course, I am against execution for crime of passion or similar and believe that things like that, as well as most other things which damage a community, should be sorted out non-violently within the community itself.

[Nickademus]

death penalty in the revolution as you are speaking about brings two things to mind. 1st you are assuming the revolution will be violent.... 2nd you are confusing the 'death penalty' with outright killing and murdering ... there is a big difference.

the death penalty should NOT be used ever. Then again I disagree with the current system of prisons (although i do believe in some cases it is necessary to segregate some humans from society) .... so the question is what is the answer that i am not sure but we need to keep trying to figure it out. but the death penalty is wrong. it is the government doing the same thing to a person that they did to get themselves the death penalty.... anyone see the hypocrasy in that? and besides there are always cases of people who after years were found innocent of charges after being imprisoned. you kill a person, you can't undo that mistake. so is it better to let a guilty man walk than to kill an innocent man. YES YES YES YES YES!

[violencia.Proletariat]

1st you are assuming the revolution will be violent....

Revolutions are violent. It is the physical removal of power from one class into the hands of another or in our case into the hands of all. Your assuming that the bourgeoisie have the ability to peacefully give up the means of production. I'm sure thats coming, like the next wage increase :rolleyes:


but the death penalty is wrong.

The death sentence in a post revolutionary society is not a "penalty." It's not ment to punish, its ment to stop that particular person from ever doing what they did again.


you kill a person, you can't undo that mistake. so is it better to let a guilty man walk than to kill an innocent man.

Trials in post revolutionary society would require much more concrete and scientific evidence than trials today. They won't rely on one persons account of the events. If there is a reason of doubt, then the death sentence would be put aside.

[The Grey Blur]

For the rapists and capitalists

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Why do humans think we need the death penalty? Simply because of the sense of vegence. Too many people think a crime should be revenged but vengence only cures the symptoms of societies problems. It doesn't rid us of the cause. I'm no psychologist so I'm not going to go into what motivates the "worst" criminals (child killers, paedophiles and other sex offenders) but I would say that the majority of other "criminals" are so because either capitalism has is so ingrained that greed is a part of their being or capitalism has screwed them over so badly that they've had to resort to living beyond the law (which is usually a load of crap but I refer to the laws of any nation you choose).

Either way, capitalism is the overarching system which messes us up.

Therefore, the death penalty should be abolished everywhere because it acheives nothing except satisfy the primitive urge for revenge.