Scientist found dead - Suicide or suicided?

[Invader Zim]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3079787.stm

I am sure most of you have heard that Blair and his "spin docter" have been under prssure from the BBC and believed that the deceased scientist was the informant to the BBC, however the scientist denies it and is found dead with his wrists slashed... seams like suicide, or is it a government planned hit, to remove an inconviniance?

[Felicia]

this is such crap, I don't know where to begin!

The dude was to make a statement before the government house (parliament?) very soon, and then presto, he's dead? With slashed wrists? riiiight, it isn't hard to cut someone's wrists and make it look like suicide...... It's a homicide in my book, it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be a CIA job ;)

[ChiTown Lady]

I am quite sure this was most likely a Capitalist government hit – I have no doubt about that. Whether it was the CIA or the British counterpart – it was most likely a planned hit made to look like a suicide. That goes without saying.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from ChiTown Lady on 10:57 am on July 20, 2003
I am quite sure this was most likely a Capitalist government hit – I have no doubt about that. Whether it was the CIA or the British counterpart – it was most likely a planned hit made to look like a suicide. That goes without saying.

I doubt it would have been a hit from the MI5/c or the CIA, it could however have been a private hit organised Cambell using a hired assasin. I doubt the government would do that as it was obviously going to damage there public standing, Cambell however had a lot more to lose his job, reputation possibly even a prison sentance...

[chamo]

Admittedly, Dr. Kelly looked stressed over the rollicking the Blair cabinet gave him in the Public Enquiry, but I do not think he was suicidal. When he went off on the fatal walk, he was smiling to the last person he talked to. He had no reason to commit suicide if he knew the truth, and if he was possibly the only person who knew the real truth about the war and could speak about it.

I hate Alistair Campbell; he is possibly the biggest bastard of a spin doctor ever to support Burnley. Blair and everyone involved with the forged W.M.D/45min documents had a lot more than just their jobs and reputations to lose. Why do you think Blair was out of the country at the time, conveniently too; it is because he wants to build himself up as someone who will go down in history as a great Prime Minister and to keep a nice pay check after he retires. One could refer to his thought’s on the war, “History will forgive this war.” Tony Blair can have nothing get in his way to ruin him, he’s on a roll.

The likelihood is that the truth will never be told. The secret services etc. are so good at covering things up and keeping them secret and classified that we will never know and we will be told it was definitely suicide. Look at the JFK, Bob Marley etc. conspiracies; these things are never satisfied.

That is the legacy of our authoritarian governments and our elected dictators.

Be wary of Blair, he is a fantastic actor, smarter than Bush and so more dangerous.....or possibly not. I have forced myself to make this picture to inform the public. Blood on your hands!

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/oscar.gif

Go on, laugh at it.

(Edited by happyguy at 7:10 pm on July 20, 2003)

[Saint-Just]

Quote: from happyguy on 7:08 pm on July 20, 2003
“History will forgive this war.”
(Edited by happyguy at 7:10 pm on July 20, 2003)


Those are unfortunate words Mr. Blair chose, since Adolf Hitler said the same thing about the Munich Putsch. But history has never forgiven him.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

lol. Chairman Mao, you couldnt be more correct!

how alike these rulers are, i wouldnt be surprised if Blair planned on using those words.

[Cassius Clay]

''In the interests of peace and security we launched military action against Iraq''

Or something very similar said one George W Bush. War is peace and all.

Anyway it's nice of Mr Blair to seem hurt by the death of a Civil Servant yet we here no show of consience over the thousands dead in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Reuben]

careful mao, that was also very close to castros closing statement in his trial after the moncda barracks attack, made in a scarily similar situation.

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

What better way to make someone look like they killed themselves than by cuting their wrists- the ulitmate "classic" way of ending your own life. What people seem to have over looked is that a presumably very intellignet man (educated at oxford university i think) has supposidly chosen such a unreliable method of suicide - the pressure of blood is very low in the veins in the writs, so it would take at least 30 minutes i am told to die, another point, they found tablets on him- co-proximol i think, which actually THICKEN the blood (as opposed to asprins and some other tablets which thin it) therefore increasing the length of time it takes to bleed to death, and my final and most obvious point is that he was outside on a warm evening, making it easy for the blood to clot and stop the bleeding.
I think only the gullible would believe he killed himself.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Cassius Clay on 8:20 pm on July 20, 2003
''In the interests of peace and security we launched military action against Iraq''

Or something very similar said one George W Bush. War is peace and all.

Anyway it's nice of Mr Blair to seem hurt by the death of a Civil Servant yet we here no show of consience over the thousands dead in Afghanistan and Iraq.


I would rather have war then chained peace.

[Danton]

Conspiracy theorists are wetting themselves about this.
Why is it that you all naturally assume this is anything else than suicide?

It may well be murkier than that but I doubt it, it's just ludicrous that you all jump on the goverment assasination bandwagon even before all the facts are in. We dont know if there are extrenuating circumstances, we dont know about his personal life or his character. The fact that he was named as the whistle blower (BBC) would have brought about extraordinary stress and exasparation.

In that state of mind even an supposedly intelligent man (btw being educated at Oxford does not guarantee this) is obviously irrational, cutting his wrists may have been a cry for help that went horribly wrong. Also cutting someone's wrists without leaving signs of a struggle is impossible, whether these wounds were self inflicted or not should be indicated by the coroners report.

I'm not defending anyone I'm just saying look at all the angles before making rash judgements...



"Creemos en Fidel y en la revolucion"

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

I didnt claim he was intelligent, i sed 'presumably' as in i assume he was smart if he went to that university as people tend to be.

[chamo]

I think you would have to be intelligent to get into Oxford, become a doctor and then become head of the UN weapons inspectors.

Also, I would seriously doubt that it would have been a cry for help gone wrong.

[CopperGoat]

LOL, funny Blair pic...

Stupid Blair....

[ONE]

Danton: even if there was some signs of struggle, don't you think the British Secret services would hide any evidence of that? I've seen Bond movies; these guys are good! :)

In my opinion, the "suicided" had no reason to kill himself - maybe resign at best...

I gotta admit though, I don't know much about the specifics, but it wouldn't be surprising that the government would take him out if they thought he posed a threat. In fact, this makes more sense to me. If I were the government or a leader and I knew this dude might destroy my political career or place the government in a direct collision course with international condemnation that could lead to serious repercussions both politically and economically, and produce major domestic and international negative public opinion, I would take him out too!

Now having said all that, I'm not ruling out the possibility that he simply decided to end his life; it is just unlikely in my opinion.

No one will ever know the truth.

[Danton]

You underestimate the nepotism and boys club mentality of Oxford, the MOD and MI5 for that matter, many of these people are not there on merit.

Dr Kelly had already spilled his guts so to speak so I dont see what threat he posed to the goverment.....
We have to beleive that the enquiry will reveal the truth and I suspect the BBC wont end up smelling of roses...

[chamo]

Yeah, it's a fight in which either the BBC or the government (Tony Blair in particular) comes out worst with their credability being doubted. I know whose side I'm on but I also know who is more likely to lose.

[Kez]

i think we shud distance ourselves from these conspiracy theories and get down to some real facts and such.

i got a few articles on the topic:
http://www.marxist.com/announcements/stop_press.html
and this one concerning Blairs situation after the Kelly episode
http://www.marxist.com/Europe/dr_kelly.html some good quotes in there to use

comrade kamo

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Danton on 5:30 pm on July 21, 2003
Conspiracy theorists are wetting themselves about this.
Why is it that you all naturally assume this is anything else than suicide?



Because I am paranoid!!!

[Tasha]

I believe many people have listed facts as to why this is an extremely inprobable suicide. He was murdered you can ask yourself a simple question. Who would have benefited had he been killed or would have been at loss had he not been killed?

He was murdered and the us and uk government are the most probable ones to be held accountable.

[communist cow]

Of course it was a goverment hit. How convienent for him to die when he was supposed to make a speech to the parliment on the weapons of mass destruction - suicide? haha