Reproductive Rights

[adenoid hynkel]

I want only to ask one question; why do you people continue to refer to " reproductive rights" as an example of anti-women discrimination? It is obvious that " reproductive rights" are an example of the opposite; anti-male discrimination. In many countries women have the right to get rid of an unwanted child with abortion; there is NO country at which men can get rid of having to pay for an unwanted child.

[rouchambeau]

Boo-hoo. Men are soooooo oppressed.

[ZeroPain]

I want only to ask one question; why do you people continue to refer to " reproductive rights" as an example of anti-women discrimination? It is obvious that " reproductive rights" are an example of the opposite; anti-male discrimination. In many countries women have the right to get rid of an unwanted child with abortion; there is NO country at which men can get rid of having to pay for an unwanted child.

1. Its the womans body not the mans.

2. Unless the man was raped and I find that highly unlikely its his fault the woman is pregnant.

Now if she lies about being on the pill or whatever, thats on her but its hard to prove.

[dannie]

2. Unless the man was raped and I find that highly unlikely its his fault the woman is pregnant.

that's crap, like woman have never heard of condoms, or the pill. The same can be said for woman, it's their fault, but not when they have been raped. I agree with you on: "It's the womans body" but it's both man and womans fault. sex isn't practiced solo you know

[LSD]

I want only to ask one question; why do you people continue to refer to " reproductive rights" as an example of anti-women discrimination?

Because men's "reproductive rights" have never come under attack. Reproduction for men is a matter of insemination. Biologically speaking, the man's role in procreation ends the moment he pulls out.

Obviously the reverse is true for women.


In many countries women have the right to get rid of an unwanted child with abortion; there is NO country at which men can get rid of having to pay for an unwanted child.

That's the fault of capitalism, not "feminism". No one should "have to pay" for anything, but the reality of capitalism is that someone has to "support" children or they die.

Now, is it "fair" that men have a greater financial risk when engaging in sex? No. But life isn't fair. Women, universally, bear the physical and psychological consequences of pregnancy. Similarly, unlike men, they have no easy way of "skipping" once the child is born.

Every time that impregnation occurs, the burden falls on the woman to decide what to do. And unfortunately, despite the fact that she should be able to make reproductive decisions based solely on her own judgement, the realities of capitalism get in the way and she is forced to "calculate" whether or not she can "afford" to procreate.

Basically, capitalism makes even the basic act of reproduction unfair for everyone involved.

Men "shouldn't have to" bear extra responsibility following sex, both partners shared equally in the sex act and both were equally able to use protection. But the alternative to placing this burden on men is to place an even higher burden on women.

There's no "good solution" here except the abolishment of capitalism.

Then, when "financial concerns" are no longer relevent, men can have the right to "disavow" any pregnancy they want to. But so long as women are the marginalized sex and no social system exists to support them, men are just going have to make this one concession.

Maybe it will serve to teach them just how oppressive social injustice can be.

[adenoid hynkel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 09:49 PM
Boo-hoo. Men are soooooo oppressed.
Pal, I feel really sorry for you. Your inability to answer with arguments and your tension to repeat the same sentimental BS again and again proves your intelligence.

You say that the fact that men have to take care and pay for unwanted babies is not a problem. I don't give a shit and I disagree; personally I have a very close friend who had this problem; a girl with whom he had sex when he was 20 yo got pregnant and he was obliged to take care and pay for the baby; his life for 2-3 years was completely fucked; we, his friends, went for vacation and he had to find out how he was going to find money for the baby; he was even thinking to quit university; finally he did not quit university, but he had to sleep only 3-4 hours a day for almost 3 years, in order to have time both for studying and work.

Now, I guess that if a woman was denied the right to get rid of an unwanted baby( with abortion) and had to endure the same hardships as my friend did, you would defend her( and rightly so). You would scream BLOODY MURDER!!!! SEXIST OPPRESSION!! SEXIST EXPLOITATION!!! OPPRESSIVE SEXISM!!!! etc.

But if exactly the same thing happens to a man, there is no problem. Yeah right

[adenoid hynkel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 10:16 PM


There's no "good solution" here except the abolishment of capitalism.

Pal, I am sorry to disappoint you, but I think that if you wait the abolishment of capitalism, in order to give a solution to such problems, you are going to wait for a long, long, long, long time

There is a solution and it is simple; women should have the right to get rid of the trouble of raising an unwanted baby with abortion. Men should have the right to get rid of the trouble of raising an unwanted baby, by simply denying to raise or pay for this baby.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

That's a legitimate point. Why should a man have to take care of a child he may not have wanted? However, a women shouldn't have all the responsibility. The tough reality is that people are lazy dumbasses who don't protect themselves against unwanted pregnancy. Many of the men claiming they didn't want a child would be men who had unprotected sex.

However, each person is supposed to take responsibility for their own body, their own views, and their own life. Consequently, men shouldn't have to pay.

[theraven]

i think that if a women intends to name a man the father of her baby she should be forced to notify him and if he requests submit to a DNA test to prove its his. then he would ahve the oppurtniy (preferbely ebfore it was born) to disavow or agree to be ther father to the child. this way the mom knows whats going o before hand.

[RaiseYourVoice]

There is a solution and it is simple; women should have the right to get rid of the trouble of raising an unwanted baby with abortion. Men should have the right to get rid of the trouble of raising an unwanted baby, by simply denying to raise or pay for this baby.
So a man has no responsibillity for what he is doing? if he doesnt want a child why isnt he using a condom? both man and women share the responsibillity when a baby is born, logically they should both together decide what to do with the baby. but if they cant do that for whatever reason (apart from the fact that they are not mature enough for a child) than its the womens body, she can decide what to do with the baby as the man can decide what to do with his sperms. The women will a good part of her life with this child. I think the man, if he doesnt come to visit the baby, at least should pay for the baby to live.


Many of the men claiming they didn't want a child would be men who had unprotected sex.

so? than they are fucking idiots.


However, each person is supposed to take responsibility for their own body, their own views, and their own life. Consequently, men shouldn't have to pay.
sorry but for this baby 2 people have the responsibility. why should the women alone take it? didnt the man have something to do with this baby? she will pay the price for unprotected sex most definetly, why shouldnt he?

the man isnt a victim, neither is the women. the both, if they think they are old enought to have sex, also be old enough to take the consquences for their actions. if you:
a) use protection
b) know the women you are sleeping with personnally (to know her view towards babys, know how finnancially secure she is herself, know if you can raise the baby together etc.)

than you have a good chance non of this discussed above will happen. if you though go into some bar, get drunk, screw the first girl you see without protection... than you have to bear the consequences for being such an idiot.