In the end we are all REALLY reactionary

[Rollo]

Well I was thinking about life post revolution and I realised that after the revolution WE would be the reactionaries and there might even be small groups of rebels that want to be slaves to the system, weird huh.

[Dyst]

Sober?

[BurnTheOliveTree]

I sort of understand, we would no longer be the progressives.

-Alex

[Marukusu]

The revolution must continue even through the period of socialism in order to get to communism. And that's why I like Mao.

[El-Bortukali]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 05:38 PM
The revolution must continue even through the period of socialism in order to get to communism. And that's why I like Mao.
what does that have to do with Mao?
the fact that the revolution is a process that doesnt stop until society reaches communism was first theorized by Marx..


anyway, the problem is that even revolutionarys are products of the system, either they like it or not they are part of the capitalist system...

[Marukusu]

what does that have to do with Mao?
the fact that the revolution is a process that doesnt stop until society reaches communism was first theorized by Marx..

Mao tried to root out the reactionary forces in the CCP with the help of the young masses during the Cultural Revolution, people like Deng Xiaoping (who eventually introduced market-economy to China, among a lot of other crap). Marx may have been the first to point out the need of a permanent revolution, but Mao was the first leader to at least try to put the idea into practice.


anyway, the problem is that even revolutionarys are products of the system, either they like it or not they are part of the capitalist system...

...I don't really know what you mean, but I disagree.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

...I don't really know what you mean, but I disagree.


I think he means something along the lines of that the proletariat have come about as a result of the capitalist class, and from the proletariat the revolutionary movement will grow.

The revolutionary movement in itself has come about as a result of capitalism. And thus we revolutionaries are a product of capitalism.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 07:05 AM
there might even be small groups of rebels that want to be slaves to the system
For some reason I highly doubt that...

And if they really did want to be "slaves to the system" then theres nothing stopping them from running off and doing that.

[Delta]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 11:58 AM
And if they really did want to be "slaves to the system" then theres nothing stopping them from running off and doing that.
Besides the fact that they are not allowed to have a monopoly on the means of production.

[Dreckt]

Mao tried to root out the reactionary forces in the CCP with the help of the young masses during the Cultural Revolution, people like Deng Xiaoping (who eventually introduced market-economy to China, among a lot of other crap).

Really, that episode was inevitable. If not Deng, then someone else. China never passed through capitalism, but instead went on directly with a sort of "socialism".


Marx may have been the first to point out the need of a permanent revolution, but Mao was the first leader to at least try to put the idea into practice.

Rather, Lenin was the first one to try the idea, and I believe he was successful to some extent.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Delta+Aug 20 2006, 02:34 PM--> (Delta @ Aug 20 2006, 02:34 PM)
[email protected] 20 2006, 11:58 AM
And if they really did want to be "slaves to the system" then theres nothing stopping them from running off and doing that.
Besides the fact that they are not allowed to have a monopoly on the means of production. [/b]
I never said they would have a monopoly on the means of production. If they were to try to do that then they would be stopped by the masses.

However, if they want to go off in the woods and play slave then they can, as long as there is no coercion. I just don't see why anyone would want to do that, unless of course they were insane.

[Reuben]

there is a thread for people who are stoned to ost in . I cant help but think some members should post in it all the time, regardless of what state they are in.

[red team]

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

:lol:

[Rollo]

Couldn't find a boozer talk thread.

[food-chain1]

"From the very outset our endeavour must be to prevent any backsliding, and to burn behind us the bridges of the old world, by helping to eliminate banks, prisons, asylums, courts, police stations, administrative buildings, barracks, churches and oppressive symbols. Not forgetting dossiers, files, identity papers, hire purchase agreements and payments records, tax forms, financiers' paper-mills and the like. Gold reserves can be disposed of through the use of acqua regia (a mixture of nitric acid and hydrochloric acid)." Contributions to The Revolutionary Struggle,Intended To Be Discussed,Corrected,And Principally,Put Into Practice Without Delay (http://www.geocities.com/Cordobakaf/ratgeb.html)

This is old, but perhaps no longer appreciated and now past due to be revisited?

[Rollo]

A lot of good points have been brought up with if the world is total anarchy and there is absolutely no government or ruling class we won't be revolutinaries anymore becayse it will already have happened so we won't want any armed force to come and try to re-form a capitalist society.

[El-Bortukali]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 06:03 PM

...I don't really know what you mean, but I disagree.


I think he means something along the lines of that the proletariat have come about as a result of the capitalist class, and from the proletariat the revolutionary movement will grow.

The revolutionary movement in itself has come about as a result of capitalism. And thus we revolutionaries are a product of capitalism.
indeed...
that was what i was trying to say

in the end we are all products of capitalism, we are educated in schools that are ideologically controled by the bourgeoise, we use their currency, we need their products to survive and so on..

either we like it or not, we are all products of the capitalism system...

[Olerud]

mindfuck.