Nihilist anyone?

[CapitalistPatriot]

Well, i consider myself a nihilist. Although a "passive" one if you will.

I remember people saying, "Well, what do you think happens after you die? You just decompose?"

You see, such is human nature, it is really impossible for us to even think about the fact that we die and we decompose and really that's the end of it. What is the purpouse of this life really? Other than to do our jobs as natural living organisms and procreate, we really have no purpouse, the only purpouse we , or any other living organism has is that of keaping the harmony in nature. But even still this shouldn't bring anybody down, or make them sad, at least we have brains to think and imagine and comprehend, at least other animals don't have the capacity to ask themselves these questions.

So you see the will of the human being and the imagination makes this opaque, and the ingnorance of other organisms , well makes them ignorant. But the truth is the truth, there is no meaning to life, there is no purpouse, but we give it purpouse, because our minds do, our brain gives it purpouse and meaning, it's all subjective.

[RevMARKSman]

Sort-of-nihilist here. The reason one can't really think about *nothing* is that...well...it's unimaginable. It's just--nothing. Right now, call up all the memories of WWI that you have. That's what death is like: those memories.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

No, I do not. consider myself a nihilist. I hold a postmodern, Nietzsche-influenced view on nihilism.

[CapitalistPatriot]

Sort-of-nihilist here. The reason one can't really think about *nothing* is that...well...it's unimaginable. It's just--nothing. Right now, call up all the memories of WWI that you have. That's what death is like: those memories

Hello Monica.

Well yeah, we as humans simple are unable to anwser some of our most deepest questions. Simply because we just can't.

But you see, we as homo sapiens can imagine or make up stories, we can use tools to better ourselves, we can think, we can ask questions, and we can understand 1000% more things than our ancestors ever did. With that said, it's obvious that if there is an alien life out there in the infinitness of space which is more advanced than us and more intelligent, then surely they can understand things that we simply are unable to even grasp. I for one believe in aliens.

So, just as we are more advanced and more intelligent than our ancestors ever were, so can there be an alien life that is more advanced and more intelligent than us, and comprehend things that we just can't. Maybe they have the anwser to the purpouse of our lives? Who knows lol


No, I do not. consider myself a nihilist. I hold a postmodern, Nietzsche-influenced view on nihilism.

Well, i don't consider myself pure nihilist . I merely do acknowledge and understand the nihilist idea, that there really is no real anwser to the meaning of life, there is no purpouse for our existance other than to procreate and breathe air and so on. But like i said before, i do believe that we as humans are special, because we have brains that are capable to give meaning to our lives through our emotions and our ability to think and imagine and so on. The thing is, we are able to question, other animals aren't even capable to question therefore they can't even ask themselves if there is a purpouse.

[CapitalistPatriot]

By the way, Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor, what exactly is the "postmodern, Nietzsche-influenced view on nihilism"? Could you please elaborate for me?

[Anti-Red]

Nihilism is about the dumbest thing that exists. I totally respect other people's beliefs whether they are Christian, Bhuddist, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, what have you. I don't have a problem with agnostics either because they say that there is a possibility of a realm beyond existence, where nihilism completely denies it. It is for this reason I feel nihilism is the most utterly insane belief I have ever seen. If anyone is a nihilist, why be on this forum? Why care about politics? Why even be alive? You could just kill yourself and it would be like nothing happened. I mean, that is the insanity of nihilism.

[CapitalistPatriot]

If anyone is a nihilist, why be on this forum? Why care about politics? Why even be alive? You could just kill yourself and it would be like nothing happened. I mean, that is the insanity of nihilism.

Because i have a brain that gives me reason.And animals are too ignorant to even question.

So i challenge you , or anyone else to anwser me this:

Whats the purpouse of our existance? And when i say "our" don't think humans, think every living organism

Tell me why im here in this planet? And what is my duty?

[More Fire for the People]

I am a nihilistic humanist if that makes any sense at all. Generally I agree with Sartre’s proposition that we create our own ethical values through our actions.

[da_prole]

My philosophy could be described as "nihilist".

I don't believe in God

I don't believe that there is some form of deity up there watching over us. I don't believe that this universe all makes sense in their grand master plan. As Nietzsche said "God is dead" and everything is chaotic and absurd. I like it this way.



I don't believe in Love

Of course I believe it exists, myself and others have experienced it. I just dont believe that there is anything particularly special about it. It is simply a physiological and psychological process within the body. It brings happiness and often it brings pain. It doesn't mean anything. In the words of Shapiro 'You might as well believe in the gag reflex'.



I don't believe in the sanctity of human life

Have you ever experienced cognitive dissonance when you hear about a terrible tragic death on the news and think something like "tsk tsk that's awful. Hey let's order a Pizza!"? People die every day. I dont know them and in the end I don't care. The importance of their lives is entirely subjective as is everything in this postmodern world. Sad but true. And not even sad.



I don't believe in right and wrong

There is nothing universal about moral codes. The definition of right and wrong changes with time, culture, geography, and each individual. We abhor now what was perfectly acceptable last century or even last decade. I do not consider that any one else's idea of right and wrong has any greater validity than my own. I accept only my own definitions and concepts. And my idea of other's concepts about morality is that they are meaningless. (As a side note - this is what I think American Psycho is about, the book at any rate.)



I am amused, confused and somewhat mystified by people who do believe in these things.



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Nihilistic Ethical Egoism.

"Everyone always acts in their own best self-interest" (psychological egoism)

"Therefore, kindness, love, altruism, charity, and anything good are illusory and hypocritical because they are really self-interested acts."

"Therefore, moral pretensions are, at best, self-delusional, and at worst, active deceit."

"Therefore, morality is irrelevant, if not counterproductive."

"Therefore, I have a right to be a completely selfish bastard, and it's more moral for me to be a completely selfish bastard than to be virtuous because the bastard is honest while the virtuous person isn't."

[which doctor]

I am a sort of nihilist.

It's a very misunderstood ideology. I fail to see how anyone who considers themselves a capitalist could also consider themself a nihilist at all. Some people like to link Nietzsche to the Nazis. That's as about as stupid as linking the nazis to socialism.

[Xvall]

I'm too Nihilistic to bother considering myself a Nihilist.


Nihilism is about the dumbest thing that exists.

I don't know, you seem pretty stupid.


I totally respect other people's beliefs whether they are Christian, Bhuddist, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, what have you.

Giving credence to the above statement I made.


I don't have a problem with agnostics either because they say that there is a possibility of a realm beyond existence, where nihilism completely denies it.

Nihilism doesn't deny it - it doesn't consider it an issue because it is irrelevant and pointless. Who gives a shit if there's a realm beyond existence? If there is there is, and if there isn't, there isn't - if enough people "believe" it's not going to magically make it happen, and it would seem so obscure and undefinable that it's not even worthwhile to devote any time trying to appease it. How do I know which god to worship? Why should I even bother since most of them seem to entail that by worshiping the others I get a one way pass to the infernal realms?


It is for this reason I feel nihilism is the most utterly insane belief I have ever seen.

And it's for that reason that you're an asinine norm who dodges issues that make you uncomfortable by labeling them "insane". (I have strong doubts about your ability to make psychological evaluations based on individuals' philosophies.)


If anyone is a nihilist, why be on this forum?

Because I like to upset you.


Why care about politics?

Because I like to upset everyone else.


Why even be alive?

Because I was born and have no control over it, and a number of physically ingrained evolutionary mechanisms hinder attempts at directly destroying myself.


You could just kill yourself and it would be like nothing happened.

Yeah, but that's going to happen anyways (death and then [presumably] nothing happening) and I think it's way cooler to stay alive and have the opportunity to maybe kill other people instead, that way I can facilitate the universe's gradual evolution into, well, nothing! I could say the same thing for everyone else anyways. You should all just lay down and stave to death, that was you can hurry up and go to heaven real fast, and you don't have to worry about picking up any more sins! Maybe that's why members of the Christian Coalition like to drown their kids - they've giving them a free ticked to heaven! The lil' tykes didn't even have to worry about dealing with adolescence and lust and hatred - their innocent little souls got to fly straight up into the air. It's charming, isn't it?


I mean, that is the insanity of nihilism.

If they don't care about anything, why would they care enough to dispose of themselves? Your own half-assed definition of Nihilism undermines your entire argument.

[Xvall]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 20 2006, 01:28 AM
I am a nihilistic humanist if that makes any sense at all. Generally I agree with Sartre’s proposition that we create our own ethical values through our actions.
That's probably more along the lines of Existentialism than Nihilism, though existentialism can arguably be seen as a sort of "happy nihilism" or "nihilism lite"; I think in general the two are at some odds though, and I imagine you would find your philosophical beliefs to be more in line with existentialism. What do I know, though.

[CapitalistPatriot]

da prole, i pretty much agree with everything you said.

Im glad to see some people who have my idea :D That gives me even more purpouse ;) lol


I am a sort of nihilist.

It's a very misunderstood ideology

Word.


I fail to see how anyone who considers themselves a capitalist could also consider themself a nihilist at all.

Um...Why? :huh: You think because im a capitalist im a far right ultra conservative Pat Robertson Ann Coulter sympathizer? lol

Xvall, i loved your reply man, kick ass hehehe well said.

[Xvall]

I fail to see how anyone who considers themselves a capitalist could also consider themself a nihilist at all.

I don't see how capitalism would cause a problem with nihilism. Honestly, they'd probably work fine together. I'd imagine it would be harder for communists and socialists to be nihilists because they tend to hold humanitarian and moral/ethical issues in such high esteem. If you'd like to actually provide some reason that capitalism and nihilism won't work well together, feel free to do so.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 10:32 PM
I don't see how capitalism would cause a problem with nihilism. Honestly, they'd probably work fine together. I'd imagine it would be harder for communists and socialists to be nihilists because they tend to hold humanitarian and moral/ethical issues in such high esteem. If you'd like to actually provide some reason that capitalism and nihilism won't work well together, feel free to do so.
Well, capitalism as an ideal and nihilism don't really conflict much with eachother. However, capitalism as it's praciced usually stands in contrast with nihilism as it is practiced. Many self-described nihilists are rougly the opposites of self-described capitalists.

[Avtomatov]

If nothing matters why would you be concerned with your material assets. I think thats what he meant.

[which doctor]

Yeah, tha's kinda what I meant. Capitalists who have actually taken advantage of the capitalist system often live in huge houses, drive red sports cars, take vacations to the bahamas, etc. They see their lives as very important and meaningful.

However, I can't really justify why capitalism and nihlism are opposed to eachother. It's just one of those things.

[CapitalistPatriot]

First of all, to say that nihilism and capitalism are not compatible is just the same as saying that nihilism and communism or socialism for that matter, are not compatible.


If nothing matters why would you be concerned with your material assets. I think thats what he meant

In that case, then why do you care and are concerned about poor people and starving kids in Africa?


Yeah, tha's kinda what I meant. Capitalists who have actually taken advantage of the capitalist system often live in huge houses, drive red sports cars, take vacations to the bahamas, etc. They see their lives as very important and meaningful.

I have said before, that we humans give meaning to our lives, with whatever it is that makes us happy and needfull.

Im sure, that for you or some other commies, having cars and big houses and cool gadgets is not meaninfull and fullfilling. So then you find whatever it is that gives you meaning to your life, which might be going to Zambia and help in some aid relief camp, i don't fucking know. But do you get me know?

maybe Xvall can explain better.

[red team]

Nihilism doesn't make sense.

The sum of all you know right now including your skill to communicate with language and draw pictures comes from someone first doing finger painting on cave walls. You may delude yourself, but you're really a continuation of the sum of all previous human experience including the person who previously came up with the idea of Nihilism.

The only true nihilist is somebody escaping from the sum of all human knowledge

like Ted K.

But that's not very much fun now is it? :lol:

[da_prole]

However, I can't really justify why capitalism and nihlism are opposed to eachother. It's just one of those things.
Oh yeah! Just one of those things, eh? I think they have a name for those kind of things....

BULLSHIT.

I love how you backed up your arugment so much to the point where it is impossible to refute. Really, you've won this debate. I can't compete with logic like that.

[da_prole]

Nihilism doesn't make sense.
Only to someone with a mind such as your own.

[red team]

Oh come on, you're not the only person in history of the world to come up with decadent, selfish, uncaring hedonism. Not by a long shot. You're an imitator of those who came before you.

[da_prole]

Originally posted by red [email protected] 20 2006, 12:45 AM
Oh come on, you're not the only person in history of the world to come up with decadent, selfish, uncaring hedonism. Not by a long shot. You're an imitator of those who came before you.
Then so be it! I readily admit that, shit, look at the Marquis de Sade thread. But that still has nothing to do with your thinking that Nihilism "doesn't make sense".

[CapitalistPatriot]

Nihilism doesn't make sense.

Then what does? Please indulge me!

Until now , nobody has been able to awnser my challenge, which is the following:


So i challenge you , or anyone else to anwser me this:

Whats the purpouse of our existance? And when i say "our" don't think humans, think every living organism

Tell me why im here in this planet? And what is my duty?


The sum of all you know right now including your skill to communicate with language and draw pictures comes from someone first doing finger painting on cave walls. You may delude yourself, but you're really a continuation of the sum of all previous human experience including the person who previously came up with the idea of Nihilism.

Um, Ok, yeah, and what exactly is your point? :huh:

[Xvall]

However, capitalism as it's praciced usually stands in contrast with nihilism as it is practiced. Many self-described nihilists are rougly the opposites of self-described capitalists.

I can understand this part, I think. Being a sucessful capitalist required a great deal of social interaction and for one to still uphold certain economic principles, both of which a Nihilist would probably oppose. I think that viewed as theories, though, they are quite compatible. Ultimately I think a Nihilist would differ greatly from a conventional "capitalist", but I think it's much more easier for a nihilist to be a capitalist than a communist/socialist (at least in most cases) due to their possible lack of adherence to moral and ethical codes.


If nothing matters why would you be concerned with your material assets. I think thats what he meant.

Yes, I imagine that conscern with material assets would be less important to a "devout" nihilist. (I don't think the words go together well, but I used "devout" because it seems to convey the meaning I was looking for.) There's only so far a Nihilist can go though - I imagine that to entirely embrace Nihilism down to it's fundamental "meaning" would render a person to the example set by Anti-Red, in that they would probably just lay down until they died of starvation. Still, I would imagine that Nihilism would be more compatible with capitalistic economic principles ("Do whatever I want.") than socialistic ones ("Do what's best for the community."). A Nihilist seems capable of fitting into any ideological structure, though, althought their conviction to it is questionable - a nihilist could justify his/her interaction with political structures they might even oppose, simply by stating that they're doing it for their own benefit, or just because they "feel like it".


Nihilism doesn't make sense.

Sure it can.


The sum of all you know right now including your skill to communicate with language and draw pictures comes from someone first doing finger painting on cave walls. You may delude yourself, but you're really a continuation of the sum of all previous human experience including the person who previously came up with the idea of Nihilism.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but basically every self-proclaimed Nihilist would agree entirely with this statement. It's an argument endorsing their philosophy, not detracting from it. It only further emphasizesthe helplessness of The Humans. Your argument is the type of argument I would expect to hear from a Nihilist. I have no idea why you think this is combatting it.


The only true nihilist is somebody escaping from the sum of all human knowledge

Nihilists usually don't believe in "truth". Anybody claiming to be a "true" or "harline" nihilist is probably trying to look/sound cool. In any case this argument seems to be based on semantics games. It's akin to, "Any true communist would offer everything they have and own to every human being on the planet who wants it."

Nihilism isn't about escaping human knowledge so much as it is about understanding that you are a product of human knowledge and that your life and actions are ultimately nothing but a long line of events, dictated by prior force and action, devoid of meaning and utterly the embodiment of "chaotic order".

[Xvall]

Oh come on, you're not the only person in history of the world to come up with decadent, selfish, uncaring hedonism. Not by a long shot. You're an imitator of those who came before you.

I think you're starting to catch on. I agree with everything you say. I don't know why people keep using these arguments and thinking that they're incompatible with Nihilism - you're hinting at the very core of the belief, and inadvetrently displaying nihilistic tendancies of your own. You're arguing against a notion that was not only never said - that nihilism is "new" and that nihilists are unique being of free-will that are unlike anything the world has seen; in fact, this is a point that nihilists would vehemently argue against. Everyone is an "imitator", you weren't the first communist, you weren't the first "free thinker", you weren't the first person who'se gotten fed up with the status quo - the the culmination of your biology, your environment, and the actions around you. You're not special - you're not unique - you are what you are and it couldn't have been any other way. You're an actor on a play - you interpret information and come to the best conclusion based on what's stored in your neurology, and then you act upon that in the most appropriate fashion you can conclude - you're an actor on a stage - your duty is to perform and die.

[CapitalistPatriot]

Nihilism isn't about escaping human knowledge so much as it is about understanding that you are a product of human knowledge and that your life and actions are ultimately nothing but a long line of events, dictated by prior force and action, devoid of meaning and utterly the embodiment of "chaotic order".



I think you're starting to catch on. I agree with everything you say. I don't know why people keep using these arguments and thinking that they're incompatible with Nihilism - you're hinting at the very core of the belief, and inadvetrently displaying nihilistic tendancies of your own. You're arguing against a notion that was not only never said - that nihilism is "new" and that nihilists are unique being of free-will that are unlike anything the world has seen; in fact, this is a point that nihilists would vehemently argue against. Everyone is an "imitator", you weren't the first communist, you weren't the first "free thinker", you weren't the first person who'se gotten fed up with the status quote - the the culmination of your biology, your environment, and the actions around you. You're not special - you're not unique - you are what you are and it couldn't have been any other way. You're an actor on a play - you interpret information and come to the best conclusion based on what's stored in your neurology, and then you act upon that in the most appropriate fashion you can conclude - you're an actor on a stage - your duty is to perform and die.

All hail Xvall the philosipher, you couldn't have said it better man, just took all the words from my mouth. Great posts.

[da_prole]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 01:04 AM

Nihilism isn't about escaping human knowledge so much as it is about understanding that you are a product of human knowledge and that your life and actions are ultimately nothing but a long line of events, dictated by prior force and action, devoid of meaning and utterly the embodiment of "chaotic order".



I think you're starting to catch on. I agree with everything you say. I don't know why people keep using these arguments and thinking that they're incompatible with Nihilism - you're hinting at the very core of the belief, and inadvetrently displaying nihilistic tendancies of your own. You're arguing against a notion that was not only never said - that nihilism is "new" and that nihilists are unique being of free-will that are unlike anything the world has seen; in fact, this is a point that nihilists would vehemently argue against. Everyone is an "imitator", you weren't the first communist, you weren't the first "free thinker", you weren't the first person who'se gotten fed up with the status quote - the the culmination of your biology, your environment, and the actions around you. You're not special - you're not unique - you are what you are and it couldn't have been any other way. You're an actor on a play - you interpret information and come to the best conclusion based on what's stored in your neurology, and then you act upon that in the most appropriate fashion you can conclude - you're an actor on a stage - your duty is to perform and die.

All hail Xvall the philosipher, you couldn't have said it better man, just took all the words from my mouth. Great posts.
Yeah. He does fuckin' drugs, too. Maybe he is the epitome of badass.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 12:09 AM
By the way, Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor, what exactly is the "postmodern, Nietzsche-influenced view on nihilism"? Could you please elaborate for me?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Post...wn_of_Knowledge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Postmodernism_and_the_Breakdown_of_Knowle dge)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Nihilism_and_Nietzsche
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-foundationalism

Nihilism is a positive claim, much like strong atheism, but the grounds for believing nihilism to be absolutely valid are much shakier. Furthermore, postmodernism reconciles the inherent contradictions of nihilism to create somewhat of a neo-nihilistic philosophy. We cannot determine absolute truth, according to postmodernism, but we must doubt that statement as well. Nihilism attempts to turn a negative into a positive claim, which is percisely what postmodernism attempts to stray away from doing.

Nietzsche, however, viewed nihilism as the result of a society losing religious belief. They turn from one universal truth to another, which is bleak and anti-progressive. Nietzsche proposes that we form anti-foundationalist ethical systems based around logic of our time in a manner similiar to Otto Neurath's boat metaphor.

Nihilism is the only think I know is I know nothing. Postmodernism adds "and I am not even sure of that" to the equation. Nietzschean philosophy takes us out of the realm of semantics and down to earth. We need to take whatever logic is avaliable - whether objective or subjective - and create a system of ethics by which to live and progress as a society. This is a brutal and ever-changing process similiar to the boat metaphor. This progression, however, can occur faster if conservative values are abandoned and a society that blends with change emerges. It is an increase in the observable evolution within the social realms of our world.

We all work within our own system of what logical is. Whether some entirely objective rules of logic exist - or objective logic exists at a micro level - is a question All we have to do is find common ground to progress, which we are ultimately capable of doing.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 11:36 PM

However, I can't really justify why capitalism and nihlism are opposed to eachother. It's just one of those things.
Oh yeah! Just one of those things, eh? I think they have a name for those kind of things....

BULLSHIT.

I love how you backed up your arugment so much to the point where it is impossible to refute. Really, you've won this debate. I can't compete with logic like that.
Well the fact is as far as I'm concerned you have no argument either!

[da_prole]

Originally posted by Fist of Blood+Aug 20 2006, 01:18 AM--> (Fist of Blood @ Aug 20 2006, 01:18 AM)
[email protected] 19 2006, 11:36 PM

However, I can't really justify why capitalism and nihlism are opposed to eachother. It's just one of those things.
Oh yeah! Just one of those things, eh? I think they have a name for those kind of things....

BULLSHIT.

I love how you backed up your arugment so much to the point where it is impossible to refute. Really, you've won this debate. I can't compete with logic like that.
Well the fact is as far as I'm concerned you have no argument either! [/b]
Damn you and your invincible arguments!

[which doctor]

Originally posted by da_prole+Aug 20 2006, 12:21 AM--> (da_prole @ Aug 20 2006, 12:21 AM)
Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 20 2006, 01:18 AM

[email protected] 19 2006, 11:36 PM

However, I can't really justify why capitalism and nihlism are opposed to eachother. It's just one of those things.
Oh yeah! Just one of those things, eh? I think they have a name for those kind of things....

BULLSHIT.

I love how you backed up your arugment so much to the point where it is impossible to refute. Really, you've won this debate. I can't compete with logic like that.
Well the fact is as far as I'm concerned you have no argument either!
Damn you and your invincible arguments! [/b]
Face it, there was no debate to begin with. I said something, you wanted me to defend it, I said something, then you say "bullshit" and all the sudden you win the argument? Doesn't sound fair to me.

I challenge you, what is the compatibilty between capitalism and nihilism?

[da_prole]

Originally posted by Fist of Blood+Aug 20 2006, 01:26 AM--> (Fist of Blood @ Aug 20 2006, 01:26 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 20 2006, 01:18 AM

[email protected] 19 2006, 11:36 PM

However, I can't really justify why capitalism and nihlism are opposed to eachother. It's just one of those things.
Oh yeah! Just one of those things, eh? I think they have a name for those kind of things....

BULLSHIT.

I love how you backed up your arugment so much to the point where it is impossible to refute. Really, you've won this debate. I can't compete with logic like that.
Well the fact is as far as I'm concerned you have no argument either!
Damn you and your invincible arguments!
Face it, there was no debate to begin with. I said something, you wanted me to defend it, I said something, then you say "bullshit" and all the sudden you win the argument? Doesn't sound fair to me.

I challenge you, what is the compatibilty between capitalism and nihilism? [/b]
I dunno. It's just one of those things!

[tambourine_man]

i agree with fist of blood that nihilism is incompatible with capitalism...

nihilism implies pure subjectivism which implies total egoism which is essentially in direct conflict with any coherently organized framework for expression ... of which capitalism is a particular example (structurally, superstructurally, etc).
how can you totally and freely construct yourself and your world when your expressions are inherently regulated by some dominant mode of coercion?
so therefore the total destruction deconstruction of society and institution as we know it and the cultivation of a "society" in which radical subjective self-expression is the natural and only course of life without any threat or reality of coercion - the end of nihilism and beginning of real life for everybody.

[da_prole]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 04:01 AM
i agree with fist of blood that nihilism is incompatible with capitalism...

nihilism implies pure subjectivism which implies total egoism which is essentially in direct conflict with any coherently organized framework for expression ... of which capitalism is a particular example (structurally, superstructurally, etc).
how can you totally and freely construct yourself and your world when your expressions are inherently regulated by some dominant mode of coercion?
so therefore the total destruction deconstruction of society and institution as we know it and the cultivation of a "society" in which radical subjective self-expression is the natural and only course of life without any threat or reality of coercion - the end of nihilism and beginning of real life for everybody.
No.

I am right because it's just one of those things.

[tambourine_man]

shouldnt you be out making it on wall street or something?

[da_prole]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 04:23 AM
shouldnt you be out making it on wall street or something?
Nope.

[red team]

I think you're starting to catch on. I agree with everything you say. I don't know why people keep using these arguments and thinking that they're incompatible with Nihilism - you're hinting at the very core of the belief, and inadvetrently displaying nihilistic tendancies of your own. You're arguing against a notion that was not only never said - that nihilism is "new" and that nihilists are unique being of free-will that are unlike anything the world has seen; in fact, this is a point that nihilists would vehemently argue against. Everyone is an "imitator", you weren't the first communist, you weren't the first "free thinker", you weren't the first person who'se gotten fed up with the status quo - the the culmination of your biology, your environment, and the actions around you. You're not special - you're not unique - you are what you are and it couldn't have been any other way. You're an actor on a play - you interpret information and come to the best conclusion based on what's stored in your neurology, and then you act upon that in the most appropriate fashion you can conclude - you're an actor on a stage - your duty is to perform and die.

Of course I could have been some other way. My environment, my biology and the actions around me are all arbitrarily determined ever since I experience life given the arbitrary time and place that I am born into. At a different place, different time, different group of acquaintances that I associate with in the time that I experience life from the time I realize "I" until now then I would be an entirely different person. Perhaps quite probably a Capitalist if born into a wealthy family and found the economic system beneficial to me and have a selfish egotistical personality.

The way I choose (or am influenced) to perform is not as much of a duty than a script passed on to me from those who are dead, but whose ideas I've adopted to be valid because they convince my evolved biological brain that its the best option for securing the best material outcome for myself and future analogs of myself since it's reallly ideas (the script) that lives on, not individuals who are only vessels for previous ideas. And so far, yeah I find the cooperation script (Communism) more convincing than the individualist script because none of the material wealth that I now enjoy could have been accomplished through selfish individualism alone.

So it seems ever greater cooperation is the future for individuals looking after their collective self-interest :) and rational enough to realize it. :)

[Krypto-Communist]

there is no purpouse for our existance other than to procreate

i certainly don't plan on procreating....am I not human?

My recent trip to the downtown farmers market and to the shopping mall solidified that decision. Parenthood just seems like another job for me and one job is enough!

Sleeping is a much more pleasurable activity for me.

"But what about the my family name? It won't live on!"

Only conceited and self-important people think like that.

Who do you think you are???? Napoleon?

Shut up already.

[CapitalistPatriot]

i certainly don't plan on procreating....am I not human?

Actually that's even MORE characteristic of being human, you think a shark chooses whether or not to he will procreate?



My recent trip to the downtown farmers market and to the shopping mall solidified that decision. Parenthood just seems like another job for me and one job is enough!

Um, oooooooook... :huh: hehe, i wonder if you have a pet?



Sleeping is a much more pleasurable activity for me.

Sleeping is much more pleasurable activity than procreation to you? :blink: ! Wow, have you even had sex before? Seems you are totally either ignorant to it, or the only obivios option left is that your some fucked up human being who is asexual or something.



"But what about the my family name? It won't live on!"

Only conceited and self-important people think like that.

Your the conceited one, you are too lazy to raise a child, and you say sleeping is more pleasurable activity than procreation. Whatever dude, i think we can all agree your really fucked up.

So yes.



Shut up already.!!!!!!

[liberationjunky]

I believe anyone who really thinks deeply about life is and what a universal truth is, becomes a nilhilist. Unless you are a objective observer which no humans are you can never really be sure about anything you percieve to be real.

[Krypto-Communist]

Actually that's even MORE characteristic of being human, you think a shark chooses whether or not to he will procreate?


You said the purpose of the human is to have kids. I don't plan on having kids, therefore I am not fulfilling my purpose of a human.

That's just your opinion and not a universal truth.


Um, oooooooook... huh.gif hehe, i wonder if you have a pet?

Ever go out in public? I do and whenever I do, the vast majority of the parents are either looking like drugged up zombies or they are screaming and beating their children.

You may like the taste of shit, but I certainly don't.


Sleeping is much more pleasurable activity than procreation to you? blink.gif ! Wow, have you even had sex before? Seems you are totally either ignorant to it, or the only obivios option left is that your some fucked up human being who is asexual or something.

I see that reading comprehension isn't your specialty?

What I meant was, sleeping is a much more pleasureable activity than raising kids.

So everytime people have sex, they are procreating? Did I hear you right?

Is it ok to have sex for not the purpose of procreating?


Your the conceited one, you are too lazy to raise a child, and you say sleeping is more pleasurable activity than procreation. Whatever dude, i think we can all agree your really fucked up.

So yes.

Yeah, I am too lazy to raise a child, but also too smart. If I had a kid in the next few years, I realize that by the time they were 18, the state of the country will be in such a dissarray, that being young will be the next worse thing than being old and senile.

What wars will be going on? What will our living standards be like? Employment opportunities? What will be the price of education beyond college? Bringing a child into this world would be a great disservice to the child itself.

Got a problem with my lifestyle, John Calvin?

[CapitalistPatriot]

You said the purpose of the human is to have kids. I don't plan on having kids, therefore I am not fulfilling my purpose of a human.

That's just your opinion and not a universal truth.

Yes, you aren't fullfilling your only known natural purpouse in life. Or is there some other purpouse or duty that we humans have? Ohh please ohh great one take me out of my misery and take part on my challenge that so far nobody has tried:


So i challenge you , or anyone else to anwser me this:

Whats the purpouse of our existance? And when i say "our" don't think humans, think every living organism

Tell me why im here in this planet? And what is my duty?




Ever go out in public? I do and whenever I do, the vast majority of the parents are either looking like drugged up zombies or they are screaming and beating their children.

You may like the taste of shit, but I certainly don't.

Ever go out in public? umm yeah Every day of my life!! HAHAHAHA What kind of question is this? Ohh yes i get it, "and whenever i do", it's ok i understand where your coming from, you probably live under your basement in your own little world, it explains a lot about the mental state your on.

Parents look like drugged up zombies? WTF? Um, no actually my sister for example has a young daughter and it's nothing but love and affection, you somehow see humans as some kind of animals without brains unable to share affection or something. Thankfully 99% of the human population doesn't think like you, even gays want to have children, so yeah your probably just some asexual wierdo. Well, deductive reasoning worked fine there didn't it! ;)


You may like the taste of shit, but I certainly don't.

So raising children is the taste of shit? Listen, nobody like to raise a child, it sure is a pain in the ass, but its your children dumb ass, everyone wants to have a child. Your one of the most retarded person iv ever comed across, it's like wanting to go to Europe without getting in a 10 hour flight, you can't harvest without plowing dumb ass! I guess all humans like the taste of shit by your standards then, freaking wacko!



I see that reading comprehension isn't your specialty?

Why are you asking me? :lol:


What I meant was, sleeping is a much more pleasureable activity than raising kids.

Like i said before, it's not the best thing in the world, but it's your damn kid dude, you have love and affection for it, you put up through anything for your kid. Your defenitally 110% nihilist :P Guess what? Putting up through the bullshit woman put you through is crap, but it's a girl that you like bro. You have the weirdest philosophy ever.


So everytime people have sex, they are procreating? Did I hear you right?

Is it ok to have sex for not the purpose of procreating?

No, of course not, and yes of course its ok to have sex for te purpouse of not procreating. My beef with you is not the fact that you just want to have sex and not have children. My beef is that the reason you say you don't want kids is because rasing a kid is "to have the taste of shit" :huh: Seriously wtf.


Yeah, I am too lazy to raise a child, but also too smart. If I had a kid in the next few years, I realize that by the time they were 18, the state of the country will be in such a dissarray, that being young will be the next worse thing than being old and senile.

Ohh yes, i guess we aren't smart by having children, that way if we stop, the human race will cease to exist, BINGO! :rolleyes:



Bringing a child into this world would be a great disservice to the child itself.

Yeah, total agreement with you, in a 3rd world country where the parent knows the child will be dead in 5 years.


Got a problem with my lifestyle, John Calvin?

Yes i do, your a lazy(which is why your a communist probably) good for nothing asexual wacko living under his grandmas basement, and no, don't compare me to John Calvin because im not religious, or do you know what nihilist means? Well, im not 100% nihilist anyways.

All i know is, the peace of the world and humanity is not threatened, because, thankfully there is probably not many people with your nut job mentallity.

[Krypto-Communist]

Yes, you aren't fullfilling your only known natural purpouse in life. Or is there some other purpouse or duty that we humans have?

You can love a significant other, I suppose? I see nothing wrong with that and I guess you can attribute that to some sort of a collective purpose for humans?


Tell me why im here in this planet? And what is my duty?

It's something that just happened...deal with it! And if you keep thinking that on an everyday basis, you'll probably go insane.

So, have fun with that.


you probably live under your basement in your own little world, it explains a lot about the mental state your on.

I'm a recent college grad who works at a bakery/cafe and I squat on my brother's couch. I'll be getting a place shortly as soon as I can find one but it's difficult coughing up the dough for the security deposit but I'm a patient man.


Ever go out in public? umm yeah Every day of my life!! HAHAHAHA What kind of question is this

To do what? Pick up 14 yr old chicks on your moped?


Parents look like drugged up zombies? WTF? Um, no actually my sister for example has a young daughter and it's nothing but love and affection, you somehow see humans as some kind of animals without brains unable to share affection or something. Thankfully 99% of the human population doesn't think like you, even gays want to have children, so yeah your probably just some asexual wierdo. Well, deductive reasoning worked fine there didn't it!

Wow, one example.

Go to your local Wal-Mart any day of the week and bask in the "loving puppy dog" atmosphere.


So raising children is the taste of shit?

Yes and there are millions of others who agree.



everyone wants to have a child.

I don't.


Your one of the most retarded person iv ever comed across, it's like wanting to go to Europe without getting in a 10 hour flight, you can't harvest without plowing dumb ass! I guess all humans like the taste of shit by your standards then, freaking wacko!

There are different degrees of shit taste. I believe that having a family along with spoiled brat kids and a neurotic wife is equivalent to eating an entire sewage treatment plant.


Like i said before, it's not the best thing in the world, but it's your damn kid dude, you have love and affection for it, you put up through anything for your kid.

If people want to do that, then fine, knock yourself out...it just isn't for me. And there are millions of deadbeat parents who should have followed my route, now that they didn't, we have millions of assholes running around who were raised by lazy and abusive parents, which in turn create troubled people.

Then it's socities job to clean up after the mess, even though America does nothing for such children raised in such environments.

"Stay with your abusive parents or go run away to California and pimp yourself on the streets!"


ou somehow see humans as some kind of animals without brains unable to share affection or something.

No, that's not what I said.

What I really meant was (reading comprehension!) that I tend to see alot more abusive, controlling, lazy parents than nice and caring parents.



Ohh yes, i guess we aren't smart by having children, that way if we stop, the human race will cease to exist, BINGO!

Yeah, I know what you mean man....there is a worldwide kid shortage and if we don't do something about it, the human race is going to go extinct in the next twenty years!

There's plenty of kids who are up for adoption. Why don't more people adopt kids that really need a home?


My beef is that the reason you say you don't want kids is because rasing a kid is "to have the taste of shit"

But why do you have a problem with it? ARe you that offended by my statement?

CAn you think of any other reasons why people don't choose to have kids? I can maybe think of one other reason (mainly economical or maybe illness runs in the family), but I'm sure that's the major reason why some couples choose not to have kids.



eah, total agreement with you, in a 3rd world country where the parent knows the child will be dead in 5 years.

Or dead in Caracas and maybe Columbia in 18!


Yes i do, your a lazy(which is why your a communist probably) good for nothing asexual wacko living under his grandmas basement

Think what you want, I don't care.

If it makes you feel better about yourself.

[CapitalistPatriot]

You can love a significant other, I suppose? I see nothing wrong with that and I guess you can attribute that to some sort of a collective purpose for humans?

That is not a natural purpouse or duty, that is just a natural attribute to humans thanks to our larger brains which give us emotions unlike other animals, unless you believe that dogs are able to hate or love or have greed...but that wouldn't surprise me coming from you.


It's something that just happened...deal with it! And if you keep thinking that on an everyday basis, you'll probably go insane.

So, have fun with that.

I didn't ask HOW, we ended up here, i said WHY? are we here? Meaning what is our purpouse? Your in your job for the purpouse to have income, so why does life exist? Other than what i have said over and over again to procreate to keep the harmony with nature, and to be part of the food chain or what not. No, i don't think of it in a day to day basis thankfully. :D


I'm a recent college grad who works at a bakery/cafe and I squat on my brother's couch. I'll be getting a place shortly as soon as I can find one but it's difficult coughing up the dough for the security deposit but I'm a patient man.

Ok, good for you i guess.


To do what? Pick up 14 yr old chicks on your moped?

Hihihi, at least im not picking 14 year old boys now am i!! LOL, Nah, i go to the University and i also work in a pharmacy.


Go to your local Wal-Mart any day of the week and bask in the "loving puppy dog" atmosphere.

Ok?



Yes and there are millions of others who agree.

I extremely doubt that, i mean i would just love to know who here actually agrees with you.


I don't.

WOW one example. :P

Ok, maybe because your either gay, a weirdo, or asexual i don't know. Listen i respect your desire not to want kids, but because parenting is a boring thing? That's your sole reason? Thats the dumbest thing iv ever heard, if you say, NO I DON'T LIKE KIDS, well that would make more sense then.


There are different degrees of shit taste. I believe that having a family along with spoiled brat kids and a neurotic wife is equivalent to eating an entire sewage treatment plant.

Ok, and every kids is a spoiled brat and every wife is neurotic? Are you just plain anti social or just a homosexual? Do you think having a male partner would not be a degree of shit taste? Because it won't be a "neurotic wife" and you won't have "brat kids"? Just wondering, really, are you heterosexual? Just a question.



If people want to do that, then fine, knock yourself out...it just isn't for me. And there are millions of deadbeat parents who should have followed my route, now that they didn't, we have millions of assholes running around who were raised by lazy and abusive parents, which in turn create troubled people.

Then it's socities job to clean up after the mess, even though America does nothing for such children raised in such environments

I respect that it isn't for you, but you have to have a better reason than "it's stupid and boring rasing a kid". Thats not true, if people followed your route human race would cease to exist, and by the way millions of assholes are attributed to their natural personality.


No, that's not what I said.

What I really meant was (reading comprehension!) that I tend to see alot more abusive, controlling, lazy parents than nice and caring parents.

Yeah lazy, that would be discribing you right. Look, i can't agree with you, thats not true, what do you want? Parents not to hit or discipline their child? I guess taking their PS2 away for a week is also abusive and controlling? Tell me, how should kids be raised, or raised at all according to you? Or have kids at all!! Which is your smart "route"...lol :rolleyes:



Yeah, I know what you mean man....there is a worldwide kid shortage and if we don't do something about it, the human race is going to go extinct in the next twenty years!

Ha ha ha, funny :wacko: 20 years , you think we are butterflies? Lmao, Don't be a dick. You know that your "master plan", that we should all follow because if not we have the "taste of shit" and it would be the "smart route", to not have kids, the human race would be extinct in 100+ years.




There's plenty of kids who are up for adoption. Why don't more people adopt kids that really need a home?


Humm let me see? MAYBE BECAUSE ITS NOT MY KID! And nobody gives a shit about them! Let me see, have my own kid with my own blood , or just have a kid not related to me in any way shape or form, yeah i think most people would rather have their OWN kids.



But why do you have a problem with it? ARe you that offended by my statement?

YES! Your own reason to not have a kid is having to put up with rasing it!! What kind of sane person are you? WTF you have to come up with a more intelligent reason than "rasing is boring and the taste of shit" bu hoo :rolleyes:


CAn you think of any other reasons why people don't choose to have kids? I can maybe think of one other reason (mainly economical or maybe illness runs in the family), but I'm sure that's the major reason why some couples choose not to have kids.

Yes, because they don't like kids in the first place!! The other, because their economic reason exactly what you said (ironically more people are borned in 3rd world countries than 1st ones), also because your gay, if your homosexual maybe you just don't think about having a kid, or think it's disgusting or something i dont know? or anti social, or a weird person period. But, "because rasing a kid is tasteless", thats just lame as hell.


Or dead in Caracas and maybe Columbia in 18!

Yes we get the picture that anyone can die, but knowing that your going to die certainly and that your child will put up with hunger from his first meal and child labor from his first steps , thats just stupid.

[red team]

It's simply a matter of economics.

The first thing they teach you in that Capitalist leech school of yours.

It's simple cost/benefit analysis. Business 101 stuff you learn in your freshmen year.

If someone were to raise kids in this look out for number one society you can expect no help from anybody to do your unpaid job. That is unless you're rich then you can hire as many nannies to do what you call the parental duties as long as you got cash coming in from ripping off the value of labour of anybody who works for your company.

Now how it came to be your company by buying with money that should have been given as the actual price of the labour for the goods and services provided to customers by the workers working in the company is beyond me. It's certainly beyond any sort of logic that I can understand and I took advanced math and computer courses. Pure logic that you have to master, otherwise you would have been out of these courses faster than you could say "the contrapositive is logically equivalent to the original". Must be some sort of business logic that's beyond my limited mind.

To keep it simple so both you and I are at the same level of business understanding. I'll speak your language in giving you my business analysis of having kids.

"What's the cost/benefit analysis for the business unit (me) of investing in the new asset item of children in terms of forecasted future return on investments?"

Bonus: "What's the marginal utility of kids?"

:lol:

[CapitalistPatriot]

"What's the cost/benefit analysis for the business unit (me) of investing in the new asset item of children in terms of forecasted future return on investments?"

Ummm, i just got 3 words for you, What The Fuck!? :blink: Yes, i get it now, i forgot that we live in the Middle Ages and i want a daughter so she can marry the Dukes son, in return for long lasting benefits that come with joining the Dukes family. And that is the one and only reason why people have children. GOSH! How did i not see that. :rolleyes:


Bonus: "What's the marginal utility of kids?"

Yet again, What The Fuck!?

ok , for one, kids are human beings, not material objects; and you surely are not going to treat them as such when they are your KIDS!

Your regarding kids as if they were some sort of labor force or some sort of slave class.


:lol:

Tell me about it...lol

[RevMARKSman]

asexual wierdo

If I were not already a weirdo I would find this offensive. If you accept homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality as valid sexual preferences, you must also logically accept asexuality (not "no preference", the preference is "no").

[CapitalistPatriot]

If I were not already a weirdo I would find this offensive. If you accept homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality as valid sexual preferences, you must also logically accept asexuality (not "no preference", the preference is "no").

Your asking me if i find asexuality as a valid sexual preference, well obviously if i mentioned it , and labeled him as an "asexual". Me accepting it's existance doesn't take in anyway the fact that it's weird and not normal. So? Whats your argument here Monica?

[Krypto-Communist]

That is not a natural purpouse or duty, that is just a natural attribute to humans thanks to our larger brains which give us emotions unlike other animals, unless you believe that dogs are able to hate or love or have greed...but that wouldn't surprise me coming from you.

Taking a shit is a natural duty, thus my purpose.

Seriously, what is your point here?


I didn't ask HOW, we ended up here, i said WHY? are we here? Meaning what is our purpouse? Your in your job for the purpouse to have income, so why does life exist?

Certainly not to be ruled by a parasitic capitalist class who force us to rent ourselves on the market for the lowest possible wage that they can make us work for!

How's that for an answer?



Other than what i have said over and over again to procreate to keep the harmony with nature, and to be part of the food chain or what not. No, i don't think of it in a day to day basis thankfully.

I can just picture it!

"Honey, it's time to finally have a baby...I'll be upstairs"

"Ok...it's important you know...to do this so that we can be in harmony with nature and be apart of the food chain, I don't want the human race to go extinct..."

"I'll name he or she...deduction one and the other deduction two and we'll hope we'll receive a pleasant return on our investment."

Is this what will be going through your head while you're procreating with your wife?

:lol:


Ok?

Obviously, you haven't heard the jokes surrounding Wal-Mart and as to how parents treat their kids while shopping there.

Get a sense of humor!


I extremely doubt that, i mean i would just love to know who here actually agrees with you.


Why are you speaking on behalf of the board? Is this your napoleonic complex creeping up again?

There are millions of people in the world who will not have kids for whatever reasons and I am one of them. It probably doesn't appeal to them, they can't afford them, they physically or mentally can't and maybe believe that there is much more to life than having just having kids.


by the way millions of assholes are attributed to their natural personality.
Ok, maybe because your either gay, a weirdo, or asexual i don't know.

Thanks for showing your true colors Mr. super macho man gay basher.

What if I were gay? I'm not, but what if I were? Is there a problem with that? What section of Hell will I be stationed in?

As for asexuality, some people (particulalry mentally ill people) don't crave sex...maybe they were sexually molested as a child, raped by someone or just simply born with a neurological disorder.

And some have physical reasons for which I am not going to describe.

Do you condemn those people who might have a reason for their asexuality?



Listen i respect your desire not to want kids, but because parenting is a boring thing? That's your sole reason? Thats the dumbest thing iv ever heard, if you say, NO I DON'T LIKE KIDS, well that would make more sense then.

When did I say this?

I don't hate kids, I just think they are an expensive luxury and I don't think the parenting lifestyle (that is if you want to raise a normal kid) appeals to me.

Maybe boredom has something to do with it.

So friggin what?


by the way millions of assholes are attributed to their natural personality.

Yep, it's all in our genes?

Somebody needs to get familiar with the Materialist conception of society and behavior.


Ok, and every kids is a spoiled brat and every wife is neurotic?

I never said this, but in America...that sure seems to be the norm in most households. I don't blame them personally, I blame the nature of the economy.

"will I have a job tomorrow?" "How much for the private SAT tutor?" "You need a car, why that one?" Etc....

If society could somehow eradicate these fears and anxieties, I bet men and women and children will relate to each other in a better way.

Thanks capitalism!


Are you just plain anti social or just a homosexual?

I'm somewhat anti-social but that's because I live in a reactionary part of the country and 80% of the people are around me aren't very pleasant to be around.


Do you think having a male partner would not be a degree of shit taste? Because it won't be a "neurotic wife" and you won't have "brat kids"? Just wondering, really, are you heterosexual? Just a question.


Why are you obsessing about my sexuality?

And if I said that I was "gay", would you condemn me to hell?



Humm let me see? MAYBE BECAUSE ITS NOT MY KID! And nobody gives a shit about them!

You don't seem to give a shit about anybody, do you?



Parents not to hit or discipline their child? I guess taking their PS2 away for a week is also abusive and controlling? Tell me, how should kids be raised, or raised at all according to you? Or have kids at all!! Which is your smart "route"...lo

No, beating the shit out of them or verbally abusing them for bringing home a bad grade is abusive.

Taking a kid's childhood away and their adolescence so that they can do nothing but study and play ultra competitive sports for the sake of "building structure" so that they can get into the best medical schools is controlling.


Ok, and every kids is a spoiled brat and every wife is neurotic? A

They seems to be prevalent in America.



es, because they don't like kids in the first place!!

Maybe that's what I meant when I said, "eating shit and liking the taste"?

You can't think "figuratively" can you?



es we get the picture that anyone can die, but knowing that your going to die certainly and that your child will put up with hunger from his first meal and child labor from his first steps , thats just stupid.

This is where "thinking figuratively" comes in handy.

What I meant was that an American child can be dead at age 18 because the USA might be embroiled in an all out war in that part of the country but the time a kid of mine turns 18. That is, if they bring back the draft...which isn't out of the realm of possibility.

[CapitalistPatriot]

Taking a shit is a natural duty, thus my purpose.

Seriously, what is your point here?

Taking a shit is not a duty, it's a natural process, you don't get to choose whether you do it or not, unlike your choice not to procreate.

Please have a little more imagination, lets get our differences out of the way, and i urge you to really think deeply, and don't think selfishly, think about all organisms in this planet , not just humans, and ask yourself, why are we here? What is our purpouse and our duty? You will see that there is no rational anwser except procreation and keeping the harmony with nature.



Certainly not to be ruled by a parasitic capitalist class who force us to rent ourselves on the market for the lowest possible wage that they can make us work for!

How's that for an answer?

Ok , thats a good anwser for your personal purpose, so it's a subjective purpouse created by your brain only limited to humans. If you go back in this thread you will find that i acknowledge that we humans are capable to give our life purpouse and meaning thanks to our brains which allow us to do so thanks to emotions, rationality, preferences, ability to choose and so on. And that animals are too ignorant to even raise the question of purpouse therefore they are just "ignorant" to it. Im talking about the big picture, life, our existance, what is our purpouse? Tell me, what is the purpouse of an elephant? To fight an elitist class? Don't think so.......do you sort of understand me now?


Is this what will be going through your head while you're procreating with your wife?

Hahaha, not really. So whats your point? When i said deductive reasoning , i was refering to me guessing that you were an "asexual wacko".


Obviously, you haven't heard the jokes surrounding Wal-Mart and as to how parents treat their kids while shopping there.

Get a sense of humor!

No i haven't actually, im oblivious to it. Sorry i guess if i don't know about it i lack a sense of humor.. :unsure:


Why are you speaking on behalf of the board? Is this your napoleonic complex creeping up again?

How am i speaking on behalf of the board? In fact i merely raised a question, because im curious to know what the rest of the board thinks about your beliefs.



There are millions of people in the world who will not have kids for whatever reasons and I am one of them. It probably doesn't appeal to them, they can't afford them, they physically or mentally can't and maybe believe that there is much more to life than having just having kids.

Yes i know there people who don't want kids, but it's just that for me your reason is lame and i don't seem to see where is the rationality of it. That is why i asked you if you didn't liked kids? That would be a perfectly rational reason for not wanting kids, but because raising kids is "taste of shit"...ok?


Thanks for showing your true colors Mr. super macho man gay basher.

What? How am i a gay basher? If your gay, chances are naturally to you procreation is the last thing in your mind! Is that being homophobic? Wtf


What if I were gay? I'm not, but what if I were? Is there a problem with that? What section of Hell will I be stationed in?

Why do you keep refering to me as Napolionic and as someone religious? Your very far off if it's not obvious alread. If your gay thats perfect, thats your life, you can't help being gay it's just the sexual preference you were borned with, nothing wrong with that, but im sure your probably not going to end up having kids. That is why i asked, if you were gay, that would also be a rational reason for you not wanting to procreate.


As for asexuality, some people (particulalry mentally ill people) don't crave sex...maybe they were sexually molested as a child, raped by someone or just simply born with a neurological disorder.

And some have physical reasons for which I am not going to describe.

Do you condemn those people who might have a reason for their asexuality?

No, i was just merely trying to understand you, and asking for possible reasons!!As you yourself said it, it might be a reason for not wanting procreation. It would be understandable then if you were an asexual for whatever circumstance, and thus why you don't want kids or can't procreate or whatever. But "because raising kids is the taste of shit"... :rolleyes: seriously gotta do better than that.



When did I say this?

I don't hate kids, I just think they are an expensive luxury and I don't think the parenting lifestyle (that is if you want to raise a normal kid) appeals to me.

Maybe boredom has something to do with it.

So friggin what?

And you tell me about reading comprehension!!? :rolleyes: Please point out, where did i imply that you said you didn't like kids? I said "if you say, NO I DON'T LIKE KIDS, well that would make more sense then." Get it now?

Flying to Asia in a 13 hour flight doesn't appeal to me either, but if i want to go then i have to make a sacrifice.Parenting lifestyle doesn't appeal to me either, but i want to have a kid. Plus that is why there is your wife, whom most likely enjoys parenting, and there are also Day Care centers. I was wondering if you have pets?


Yep, it's all in our genes?

Somebody needs to get familiar with the Materialist conception of society and behavior.

Of course it's in our genes, sure the environment around you might condition your personality a bit, but everyone has personality traits, this is undeniable.



I never said this, but in America...that sure seems to be the norm in most households. I don't blame them personally, I blame the nature of the economy.

Ahh yes, the economy! LOL :rolleyes: Let me guess, capitalism is also responsible for bad odors? HAHAHAHA :lol:


Thanks capitalism!

It's why your here ;)


I'm somewhat anti-social but that's because I live in a reactionary part of the country and 80% of the people are around me aren't very pleasant to be around.

Maybe your just wierd, your an emo guy, your a loner, don't fit the norms, and nobody really likes you? yeah well, i guess people like you are always going to be around....


Why are you obsessing about my sexuality?

And if I said that I was "gay", would you condemn me to hell?

Im not obsessed about it, i was just trying to figure out if it was a reason for you not wanting kids. And again you and your labels , hahaha yeah man keep thinking im religious, you won't go to hell, you will go to different dimension where everyone thinks like you.


You don't seem to give a shit about anybody, do you?

Wow you figuered out how humans work! BRAVO!!


No, beating the shit out of them or verbally abusing them for bringing home a bad grade is abusive.

Everyone treats their kids however they see fit, and if you see a parent beating their kids why don't you call the police? Since your so "fed" up and pissed about all this..


Taking a kid's childhood away and their adolescence so that they can do nothing but study and play ultra competitive sports for the sake of "building structure" so that they can get into the best medical schools is controlling.

Yeah thats true, but i doubt everyone treats their kids like that, and plus, what are you trying to say? Kids are suppose to control their own lives?



They seems to be prevalent in America.

Ohh yeah, what else seems to be prevalent in America? Horrible werewolf? Seriously, you commies are really funny.



Maybe that's what I meant when I said, "eating shit and liking the taste"?

You can't think "figuratively" can you?

But? I thought you said the following: "I don't hate kids" .....so do you or do you not?


What I meant was that an American child can be dead at age 18 because the USA might be embroiled in an all out war in that part of the country but the time a kid of mine turns 18. That is, if they bring back the draft...which isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Ohh yes you meant all that by saying:


Or dead in Caracas and maybe Columbia in 18! :lol:

Even if that was what you meant, i said "we get the picture that anyone can die" so it covers all that. Your idea is very far off anyways. Lets be more realistic and focus on what i said that if i know my child will be hungry from his first meal and working from the his first walk, like in extremely poor areas of the world, then i wouldn't have one.

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