Bush is pretty f*d up

[Mare]

A lot of us may agree that our president is not the best person for the job. I have heard many people suggest Bush Jr. is one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States. After the horror of 9/11, the president has taken several steps in combating "terrorism".

Is Bush as bad as people really say he is?

Points to think about:

(1): The USA is not a "police state" as one comrade claimed in another thread.

(2): The War on Terror vs. WWII is very clear. During WWII some 120,000 Japanese-Americans were held against their will in camps. After 9/11, however, less than 6,000 people were rounded up. All of these people happened to be aliens of the United States.

(3): Our freedom of speech isn't that limited, even with the Patriot Act. During the Civil War (how funny a name!) good 'ol Lincoln did military trials against those who were against the war.

(4): Censorship/propagada was much higher during WWI. The government coached colleges and universities about the greatest of the US.

(5): Oh my God did Bush allow us to be spied on by our government? Damn him! Don't become too upset though. President Roosevelt authorized domestic wiretaps long before the start of WWII. This practice happened during the cold war too!

[food-chain1]

OMG! I'm speechless!

[Rollo]

Two words.

Oh Canada.

Actually I'm from Australia, less bullshit but our PM lives inside of bush's ass.

[loveme4whoiam]

Rollo, I feel your pain, I&#39;m in the UK <_<

I&#39;ll accept your point that you seem to be making - everything that Bush has done have been done before. But you seem to be ignoring the fact that, they shouldn&#39;t be happening at all&#33;

And I&#39;m glad you mention the Patriot Act - if you actually know the powers that allows the US government agencies, then my argument is made. No-one should have those sort of powers, regarldless of whether or not other people have had them in the past.

[YSR]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 09:14 PM
A lot of us may agree that our president is not the best person for the job. I have heard many people suggest Bush Jr. is one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States. After the horror of 9/11, the president has taken several steps in combating "terrorism".

Is Bush as bad as people really say he is?

Points to think about:

(1): The USA is not a "police state" as one comrade claimed in another thread.

(2): The War on Terror vs. WWII is very clear. During WWII some 120,000 Japanese-Americans were held against their will in camps. After 9/11, however, less than 6,000 people were rounded up. All of these people happened to be aliens of the United States.

(3): Our freedom of speech isn&#39;t that limited, even with the Patriot Act. During the Civil War (how funny a name&#33;) good &#39;ol Lincoln did military trials against those who were against the war.

(4): Censorship/propagada was much higher during WWI. The government coached colleges and universities about the greatest of the US.

(5): Oh my God did Bush allow us to be spied on by our government? Damn him&#33; Don&#39;t become too upset though. President Roosevelt authorized domestic wiretaps long before the start of WWII. This practice happened during the cold war too&#33;
Quick, the Democratic Party called&#33; They need your support to stop us fear-mongering revolutionaries from hijacking the left&#39;s agenda.

Bush is as much a shithead as any president, even a bit more than most. Defending him is about the most dumbshit waste of time you can spend.

[Janus]

A lot of us may agree that our president is not the best person for the job. I have heard many people suggest Bush Jr. is one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States. After the horror of 9/11, the president has taken several steps in combating "terrorism".
You&#39;re comparing our current situation to situations in which the US was fully involved in war. We certainly don&#39;t have it as bad as before but even by modern standards, it&#39;s quite bad.

[Phugebrins]

You know, Mare, outside of the US, the argument &#39;James I did it, too&#39; or &#39;At least Putin isn&#39;t as bad as Ivan the Terrible&#39; is surprisingly uncommon.

[Ol' Dirty]

A lot of us may agree that our president is not the best person for the job. I have heard many people suggest Bush Jr. is one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States. After the horror of 9/11, the president has taken several steps in combating "terrorism".

Is Bush as bad as people really say he is?

Worse, probably.


Points to think about:

(1): The USA is not a "police state" as one comrade claimed in another thread.

CIA, FBI, Homeland Security. Case closed.

It&#39;s not a police state, but the similarities are simply sickening.


(2): The War on Terror vs. WWII is very clear. During WWII some 120,000 Japanese-Americans were held against their will in camps. After 9/11, however, less than 6,000 people were rounded up. All of these people happened to be aliens of the United States.

It&#39;s not the numbers that count, it&#39;s the principle of the means of penalization.


(3): Our freedom of speech isn&#39;t that limited, even with the Patriot Act. During the Civil War (how funny a name&#33;) good &#39;ol Lincoln did military trials against those who were against the war.

More or less, I agree.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Is Bush as bad as people really say he is?
I think so, yes.


(1): The USA is not a "police state" as one comrade claimed in another thread.
Despite the claims of one (maybe a few) comrade(s), the US is not generally considered to be a police state.


(2): The War on Terror vs. WWII is very clear. During WWII some 120,000 Japanese-Americans were held against their will in camps. After 9/11, however, less than 6,000 people were rounded up.
The worst atrocity committed against the "free world" (Bush claims not to be in this alone) in the War on Terror was probably the attack on the WTC which killed what, a few thousand people? It&#39;s WWII counterpart was the holocaust. &#39;nuff said.


(3): Our freedom of speech isn&#39;t that limited, even with the Patriot Act. During the Civil War (how funny a name&#33;) good &#39;ol Lincoln did military trials against those who were against the war.
That was a long time ago, when society was less civilized. War and dying and blatant institutionalized brutality and injustice were the way things were. However, we have progressed since then. It is expected that freedom of speech and other civil liberties should have increased. The problem is that under Bush they have began to decline again.


(4): Censorship/propagada was much higher during WWI. The government coached colleges and universities about the greatest of the US.
See above.


(5): Oh my God did Bush allow us to be spied on by our government? Damn him&#33; Don&#39;t become too upset though. President Roosevelt authorized domestic wiretaps long before the start of WWII. This practice happened during the cold war too&#33;
See above once again, and also it should be pointed out (again) that WWII and the Cold War were much more serious than the current War on Terror. Also, the Nazis during WWII had to be stopped by any means necessary, and the USSR were renowned for their spying abilities, making wire taps not necessary, but a little less insanely over-the-top in these cases.