America is a police state

[reaper68]

Police shoot woman in the face with rubber bullets and laugh about it. This is really sick. It just proves we're living in a police state. This kind of behavior by our police is only going to get worse if we tolerate it.

Here's the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slaw1tYDPFc...Fbullets%2Ehtml (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slaw1tYDPFc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ejonesreport%2Ecom%2Farticl es%2F170806%5Frubber%5Fbullets%2Ehtml)

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 06:13 PM
It just proves we're living in a police state.
No, it proves that 10-15% of police are sociopaths, that's all.

[Tekun]

One incident does not qualify the US as a police state
A police state would not be as liberal as the current US is, it would be far more repressed and openly authoritarian
Now this is not to say that American is completely free and democratic rights are protected
But saying that the US is a police state is as inaccurate as saying that the US is fascist

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

It's definitely on the road to it. I think people picture the rise of a police state in the U.S. looking like Nazi Germany with the Gestapo goose stepping down the street.

There's no need for that sort of overt action when the populace is fooled into thinking everything is great.

Alot of bullshit is going on though, as I said:

The fourth amendment has been effectively scrapped. Police can now enter your home at any time for any reason.

It's a wrap for habeas corpus.

At any time 2 million people are in prisons in the U.S.

The feds can come in your house when you're not home, search the place, your computer, etc. and never even tell you about it.

Your phone calls, credit card purchases, banking, library record, etc. are all subject to monitoring.

Many cities (like New York) now have random searches and ID checks on the streets.

etc. etc. etc.

The comrades at the Communist League covered this before, see: Welcome to the police state (http://www.communistleague.org/page.php?61/#01)

[Ander]

I agree with Compañero. The US may not be a hardcore totalitarian dictatorship, but a police state in its early stages is more likely.

[comrade_amber]

I agree, America is headed in the direction of a police state. And the irony is all the cops are working class folks. Brainwashed! All of them!

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 02:47 PM
I agree, America is headed in the direction of a police state. And the irony is all the cops are working class folks. Brainwashed! All of them!
...and very easy to turn ...

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I don't think so.. being determines conciousness and being a fascist footsoldier makes you think like one.. soldiers are debatable, but pigs?

[Sadena Meti]

About half of police officers joined up because they had a desire to serve and protect the people. The role of the police is of course to serve and protect the state/system, but that is not in the advertised job description. Another quarter sign up just for a job, and a further quarter sign up because they want power over their fellow man.

Still, that leaves half of the police population that originally had a good idea. Since joining, they sell out and accept their new role, some of them becoming full blown sociopaths.

But you'd be amazed how easy it is to turn a well-intended cop. Just have to stoke up the flames that got him/her there in the first place, and show them another way. A 5 year veteran is about the target age. Look at past revos, especially the failed revos. The government eventually sends in the army to quell the uprising. Every wonder why they don't just phone the police? Because half of the police have joined the people, and the other half have fled.

*edit*
Turning/Converting a cop is even easier / more effective when it is put on religious or racial terms. Fictitious perhaps, but use what tools you have.

[da_prole]

They should have a new requirement for being on the police force: Intelligence.

I hate cops, I hope they all die.

Oh, and being a Sociopath kicks ass. Cops are just pussies.

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 05:29 PM
They should have a new requirement for being on the police force: Intelligence.

I hate cops, I hope they all die.

Oh, and being a Sociopath kicks ass. Cops are just pussies.
Mental Note: Revos must have a screening process to weed out people like da_prole

[da_prole]

Originally posted by rev-stoic+Aug 18 2006, 06:37 PM--> (rev-stoic @ Aug 18 2006, 06:37 PM)
[email protected] 18 2006, 05:29 PM
They should have a new requirement for being on the police force: Intelligence.

I hate cops, I hope they all die.

Oh, and being a Sociopath kicks ass. Cops are just pussies.
Mental Note: Revos must have a screening process to weed out people like da_prole [/b]
What, comrade? I don't understand!

[Sadena Meti]

The Revo is to free everyone, including your enemies.

[SPK]

Looking at the comments in this thread, some people seem to think that a police state is always just over the horizon, or at some point in the future, or that we're developing in that direction, that the u.s. isn't quite at that stage yet, or that we have one element of a police state but not another, that there are still elements of liberalism, etc. When amerikans use the term "police state", it sometimes has built into it an overriding element of futurity or potential -- it never seems to describe the here-and-now.

Amerikans also seem to be waiting for SS officers, black uniforms, jackboots, teutonic accents, and gas chambers. The images or pictures we have in our heads of what a police state is are totally determined by the historical precedents in Germany and Italy and other european states. So sometimes the term has built into it an overriding element of historicity and the past.

We look to the past, and we see a police state. We look to the future, and we see a police state. But -- even on a website with conscious, self-identified revolutionaries -- we cannot objectively see what is happening today, right now, as we speak.

Of course the u.s. is a police state. You may not be personally affected yet -- that does seem to be the primary criteria by which many people define authoritarianism. But just ask one of the thousands of people who are being tortured and raped in the global, amerikan gulag archipelago that stretches from Afghanistan to Iraq to Guantanamo.

[food-chain1]

Right On SPK!

The Bill of Rights has not been used successfully as a defense of any police action in over a decade. At the very least the War on Drugs created a police state. War is Terrorism. War on Terrorism is War on War, it makes no sense, just another flim flam to tighten up the screws.

The greatest fear of the U.S. Government is its own people. Check out the many web sites dedicated to the truth behind 9/11. It was the U.S. Government! Read up on the Neoconservatives. Understand the U.S. population is the most used, distracted and deluded population ever. Israel a close second. OMG what do you think the rest of the world is talking about when it points at the U.S. and collectively shakes its head at the huge collection of lamers.

[Devrim]

Of course America isn't a Police state. They may have introduced a few laws about monitoring individuals, but that doesn't make it a police state. I would not say that this country is a police state. It is a military state, but if you want to see how it works you are welcome to come, and try. Also compared to most countries in the Middle East Turkey is quite liberal.
I don't think that you know what a police state is like. Even today, when it is much more open than it used to be there are certain words that everyone lowers their voices before saying in a cafe for example.
Anyway, the discussion is meaningless. Police state, or not we just get on with our political work.

Devrim

[Leo]

I think it depends on the definition.

If we accept the definition of a police state where the state does anything they want to do to the citizens, then Dev is right, US is not a police state.

However, if we say it is a police state is a state where the state has the power to do whatever they want to do to the citizens and uses this power when necassary, then not only US becomes a police state, but being a police state becomes the very nature of all nation states.

Anyway, we do have to focus on our political work.