Communism Ideas

[futbolista]

im debating on whether or not to become a communist help me with this decision give me your thought and views

[Delta]

Are there any particular aspects of communism that you're curious about?

[which doctor]

Hmm...

It sounds like you don't know enough about communism. For many people communism is a passion, it's something that drives someone to be a communism. For others, it's rational egoism. It's in there best interest to be a communist and to fight for a classless/stateless society.

Rarely does someone debate whether or not they want to be one.

It's rather easy to be a communist, you just have to advocate a stateless/classless society.

[More Fire for the People]

Is Spanish your first language? If so:
A partir del momento en que todos los miembros de la sociedad, o por lo menos la inmensa mayoría de ellos, hayan aprendido a dirigir ellos mismos el Estado, hayan
tomado ellos mismos este asunto en sus manos, hayan "puesto en marcha" el control sobre la minoría insignificante de capitalistas, sobre los señoritos que quieran seguir conservando sus hábitos capitalistas y sobre obreros profundamente corrompidos por el capitalismo, a partir de este momento comenzará a desaparecer la necesidad de todo gobierno en general. Cuanto más completa sea la democracia, más cercano estará el momento en que deje de ser necesaria. Cuanto más democrático sea el "Estado" formado por obreros armados y que "no será ya un Estado en el sentido estricto de la palabra", más rápidamente comenzará a extinguirse todo Estado.
[...]
Y entonces quedarán abiertas de par en par las puertas para pasar de la primera fase de la sociedad comunista a la fase superior y, a la vez, a la extinción completa del
Estado.
— Lenin, El estado y revolution

El comunismo como superación positiva de la propiedad privada en cuanto autoextrañamiento del hombre, y por ello como apropiación real de la esencia humana por y para el hombre; por ello como retorno del hombre para sí en cuanto hombre social, es decir, humano; retorno pleno, consciente y efectuado dentro de toda la riqueza de la evolución humana hasta el presente. Este comunismo es, como completo naturalismo = humanismo, como completo humanismo = naturalismo; es la verdadera solución del conflicto entre el hombre y la naturaleza, entre el hombre y el hombre, la solución definitiva del litigio entre existencia y esencia, entre objetivación y autoafirmación, entre libertad y necesidad, entre individuo y género. Es el enigma resuelto de la historia y sabe que es la solución.
— Marx, Manuscritos Económicos y filosóficos de 1844

[Rawthentic]

Its not his first language. Comrade, in order to become a communist, you have see the reality of capitalism around you and find out for yourself how the struggle for freedom connects to you.

[food-chain1]

Do you believe in "Might is Right" or in "Right and Wrong"?

If you believe there is good and evil, that all people should have the opportunity to have a good life, then you are leaning towards Humanism. If this is the case then with sufficiant intellectual rigor you will arrive at Communism. Without this journey you will forever be in doubt.

[ahab]

i too am starting to lean more towards communism. I have been an anarchist so long i started to dislike communism. Although through further research i have found there are many similarities between the two. My only problem is when I think communism, I think, stalin and lennin. Their russia is not a place i wouldve wanted to live. I have some commie friends though and from what they tell me communism, natural communism anyway, is more like anarchism, just more organized. A stateless/classless society where people work and live as one. I am still trying to understand how the economy would work though. There would be no incentive to work hard or make good product, you would just be working to survive. It is better than working for the capatolist society, but not as good as it would be in an anarchist one. Anyway these are my questions any help would be nice. thank you comrades

[which doctor]

Fysh,


i too am starting to lean more towards communism. I have been an anarchist so long i started to dislike communism. Although through further research i have found there are many similarities between the two. My only problem is when I think communism, I think, stalin and lennin. Their russia is not a place i wouldve wanted to live.

Okay. I am a sort of anarchist myself. For me there is nothing wrong with communism, there is just something wrong with all the baggage that seems to tied up with communism.


I have some commie friends though and from what they tell me communism, natural communism anyway, is more like anarchism, just more organized.

I'm not sure how it could be more organized. Some anarchists are very organized, such as the IWW.


I am still trying to understand how the economy would work though. There would be no incentive to work hard or make good product, you would just be working to survive. It is better than working for the capatolist society, but not as good as it would be in an anarchist one. Anyway these are my questions any help would be nice. thank you comrades

Well, Anarchism and Communism overlap, a lot. They are both quite broad ideologies. As for the economy part, I, along with many other anarchists, advocate a gift economy. In a gift economy, the only reason to accumulate wealth would be too give it all away. It may sound slightly insane, but there are examples of living working gift economies all around us. People who actually accumulate all this and then give it away are looked up at.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Their russia is not a place i wouldve wanted to live. I have some commie friends though and from what they tell me communism, natural communism anyway, is more like anarchism, just more organized. A stateless/classless society where people work and live as one. I am still trying to understand how the economy would work though. There would be no incentive to work hard or make good product, you would just be working to survive. It is better than working for the capatolist society, but not as good as it would be in an anarchist one. Anyway these are my questions any help would be nice. thank you comrades

Well, you have to take into account what russia and just about every country which had 'communism' was like before 'communism'. Russia was a backwards, corrupt, poor, czarist-peasant shithole. Russia under 'communism' became an industrialized nation and the only nation with enough strength to oppose America. I don't think it's fair to blame Lenin. One of Lenin's major fears was bearocratic centralism in the way of Stalin. In true communism there would be many incentives to work. Firstly the workers own and run the factory in a co-operative fashion. In capitalism, workers really don't have a stake in the factory and just work for there wage to survive. In communism, they actually have a stake in the worm they're doing. Second, every action you make affects you and your community. In communism, everyone is tied together and if one person slacks off, the rest of the community has to cover for that person and so slacking off would be looked down upon even more than in capitalism. Lastly, there could be a system of Labor Time Vouchers, but I'm too lazy to explain that now.

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 03:56 AM
One of Lenin's major fears was bearocratic centralism in the way of Stalin. In true communism there would be many incentives to work. Firstly the workers own and run the factory in a co-operative fashion. In capitalism, workers really don't have a stake in the factory and just work for there wage to survive. In communism, they actually have a stake in the worm they're doing. Second, every action you make affects you and your community. In communism, everyone is tied together and if one person slacks off, the rest of the community has to cover for that person and so slacking off would be looked down upon even more than in capitalism. Lastly, there could be a system of Labor Time Vouchers, but I'm too lazy to explain that now.
well I just associate Stalins mass murder with communism for some reason, thats just what sticks out when i think of communism. The whole 'teamwork' ideology is I think more 'me' as opposed to the sole independancy of anarchism. Plus I think communism has a better shot at working and being 'accepted' by other powers. About the labor vouchers, are you talking about wvd or whatever? Because I'm thinking that if we were to live in a communist society and that was the 'currency' so to speak, we would have problems with people working longer, getting more vouchers and buying more, creating a half-ass class distinction. Would there be a limit on how many of these vouchers you could get a week, month, year? and if so isnt that putting a restraint on someones motive to work? Does everyone just work the same amount of hours at these co-ops and such? I am not trying to be negative on the idea, i would just like to know more

[Taboo Tongue]

Do you\will you have to work for a living (i.e go to work and get paid an hourly wage for producing a item\service)?

If so read more into communism.
Some good articles:
FPM's "Have and Have-nots" (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?153)
Communism and Marxism (http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/communism_and_marxism.htm)
Some good sites:
http://Marx.org
http://RedStar2000papers.com
and of course RevLeft.com

[Avtomatov]

redstar2000papers isnt working lately.

[More Fire for the People]

I thought with a title like 'futbolista' she/he would be Spanish as 'futbolista' is a Spanish word.

From the moment all members of society, or at least the vast majority, have learned to administer the state themselves, have taken this work into their own hands, have organized control over the insignificant capitalist minority, over the gentry who wish to preserve their capitalist habits and over the workers who have been thoroughly corrupted by capitalism — from this moment the need for government of any kind begins to disappear altogether. The more complete the democracy, the nearer the moment when it becomes unnecessary. The more democratic the "state" which consists of the armed workers, and which is "no longer a state in the proper sense of the word", the more rapidly every form of state begins to wither away.
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Then the door will be thrown wide open for the transition from the first phase of communist society [Socialism] to its higher phase [Communism], and with it the complete withering away of the state.
—Lenin, State & Revolution

Communism is the positive supersession of private property as human self-estrangement [alienation], and hence the true appropriation of the human essence through and for man. It is the complete restoration of man to himself as a social — i.e., human — being, a restoration which has become conscious and which takes place within the entire wealth of previous periods of development. This communism, as fully developed naturalism, equals humanism, and as fully developed humanism equals naturalism; it is the genuine resolution of the conflict between man and nature, and between man and man, the true resolution of the conflict between existence and being, between objectification and self-affirmation, between freedom and necessity, between individual and species. It is the solution of the riddle of history and knows itself to be the solution.
—Marx, Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844