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bezdomni
17th August 2006, 00:05
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060816/sc_afp/scienceastronomyplanets_060816141910)

PRAGUE (AFP) - The solar system may soon be home to a dozen planets, with three new additions to the club and more to come, if astronomers meeting in the Czech capital approve a new planetary definition, the conference organizer has said.


The proposal before the 26th general assembly of the International Astronomical Union distinguishes between planets and smaller celestial bodies such as comets and asteroids.

That results in a 12-planet solar system with eight classical planets and three bodies including Pluto in a new and growing category called "plutons" - Pluto-like objects - plus a former asteroid, Ceres, the IAU said.

Powerful new telescopes that have discovered large objects in the outer regions of the solar system present a challenge to the historically based definition of a "planet", which comes from the Greek word meaning "wanderer".

"Recent new discoveries have been made of objects in the outer regions of our solar system that have sizes comparable to and larger than Pluto," said IAU President Ron Ekers in a statement.

"These discoveries have rightfully called into question whether or not they should be considered as new 'planets'."

The planetary debate blasted off in July 2005 when a US team of astronomers announced that Pluto is much smaller than an enigmatic object, 2003 UB313, which its discoverers claim is the solar system's 10th planet.

UB313, found some 15 billion kilometres (nine billion miles) from Earth, ignited a huge row as Pluto's defenders said UB313 was not a planet, just a rock, or KBO -- Kuiper Belt Object -- which is the term for the estimated 100,000 pieces of icy, primeval debris encircling the sun on the outskirts of the solar system.

Since its founding in 1919, the IAU has been the arbiter in astronomical debates and after two years of work a committee has come up with a new planet definition to present to some 2,500 astronomers gathered in Prague through August 25.

According to the draft definition, a "planet" must be in orbit around a star, while not being itself a star, and it must be massive enough for its own gravity to pull it into a nearly spherical shape.

"Our goal was to find a scientific basis for a new definition of planet and we chose gravity as the determining factor. Nature decides whether or not an object is a planet," said Richard Binzel, a member of the defining committee.

That puts about dozen "candidate planets" on the IAU watchlist, which means even more planets could be named in the future.

If the current proposal is passed by the IAU assembly, the solar system would consist of the planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Charon and 2003 UB313 (a "real" name to be chosen later).

The new "plutons" are distinguished from classical planets in that they reside in orbits around the sun that take longer than 200 years to complete -- meaning they are in orbit beyond Neptune.

The draft "planet definition" resolution will be discussed and refined during the Prague meeting and put up for a vote on August 24.






I personally think we should have different classifications of planets. If we are going to consider the tiny, round icy things that orbit the Earth planets...then we are going to have thousands of planets. Planets like pluto could be the "Frozen dwarves" or something and the huge planets like Jupiter could be the "Gas Giants"...similar to the way there are various sorts of stars.

Interesting news nonetheless.

Sadena Meti
17th August 2006, 01:34
Since any classification is based on our perception (i.e. naming these things planets doesn't change them), I think the standard for what is and is not a planet should be cultural rather than scientific.

Which is why when I am dictator, the standard will be "is it bigger than our moon?"

In my book, there are 8 planets. Pluto can bite me.

Raisa
17th August 2006, 11:02
Hell yeah, that shit is not a planet!
I agree.

Burn them!!!11111111

Raisa
17th August 2006, 11:04
....well that last part, scratch that...

But we cant just consider anything a planet. Its not right.

Tower of Bebel
17th August 2006, 18:41
Why not a real name <_< ? Like Raccoon for instance :P

Janus
18th August 2006, 08:43
Yeah, I remember reading about how an astronomer a year ago put some major doubts on whether Pluto should be classified as a planet or not. Very interesting stuff.

apathy maybe
19th August 2006, 16:17
What I want to know is when the 10th planet is going to be renamed Rupert. Obviously it is now the 12th planet (after that stupid asteroids and that twin system), but still.


And more to the point, why not just have 8 planets, then a bunch of small plutons that aren&#39;t planets, then everything else? And I agree, Pluto and Co can bite me.

Reaver
3rd September 2006, 00:25
mmm ddnt they just agree that pluto was to be degraded its now a dwarf plannet... personally its a giant icecube to me

Taiga
3rd September 2006, 12:23
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 12:26 AM
mmm ddnt they just agree that pluto was to be degraded its now a dwarf plannet... personally its a giant icecube to me
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=54841

Felicia
6th September 2006, 05:45
I miss pluto already. You can&#39;t just change these things willy nilly <_<

bloody_capitalist_sham
6th September 2006, 19:50
This is wierd, so now what are the planets in our solar system?

Mars, earth, saturn, neptune uh...