Originally posted by Tino
[email protected] 16 2006, 07:41 PM
Even after u.s. forces were removed from the middle east. They would still consider it a duty to wage holy war against the people of the former united states. Because to them anybody not muslim is an infidel deserving of death. Islam is an imperialist religion as are all religious ideologies
You, like any hayseed red-state twit are equating Islam with wacky fundamentalism.
If you aren't fundementalist about your religion than you aren't serious about it. And are likely just following it because your parents were members of the particular religion. Or because it is frowned upon to not be religious in your community.
And your insults will get you no where. Perhaps some anger management classes are in order.
But, having said that, even the most extreme islamists believe this current "holy war" is only to eject imperialists from muslim lands.
And once they've done that what? Do you think they will be happy to just rule their little sphere of influence? I suppose you think Hitler just wanted to eject jews and other "inferior" races from Europe? Certainly he had no plans to spread his tyranny elsewhere. Do you think if Christian Fascists gained full control of the U.S. government they would be content just making America christian? They wouldn't want to bring Europe back to its christians "roots" now would they? Or remove Islam from the "holy lands"? Christian Fascism and Islamic Fascism are two sides of the same coin.
I propose we ban islamopophes
Banning somebody from a communist forum for calling a religion imperialist? :lol: Perhaps I'm the only one who sees the irony here.
To clarify my original post. Western imperialism is certainly responsible for this right wing islamic fundementalist movement gaining the power and popularity it has around the world. I think many ordinary muslims who form the soldiers of this movement, and see leftist solutions to imperialism unappealling, are driven by a desire to fight western imperialism. Perhaps in the event of a communist revolution in the west; they would make peace. But their leaders, who without the help of western imperialism, would not be in the positions of power that they are today, I'm not so sure are interested in peace. They use the wests exploitation of the middle east to rally muslims to their cause. But there long term goals I suspect are not to just kick imperialist forces out of the holy lands. Much like Bush says his goal is to stop terrorism when his real goal is to control oil and perhaps wage another crusade against Islam.
We would have to do the opposite to what the capitalists are currently doing: talk with them. Understand the root of their grievances. If they're rational problems that we can do something about then we can address them; if they're completely nuts requests then we tell them we can't help and then unfortunately they become an enemy of ourselves through no fault of our own. The main thing is that we reach out to them, explain that things have changed, and set up communication lines
And I think your method would end most conflict. However, for those situations where your methods do not work, what do we do? Say we sit down and talk with various Islamic groups and work things out with all but one or two. They vow to continue their war. How do we defend ourselves? I don't see using any bourgeoisie methods as viable such as wars etc.