Immigration

[Global_Justice]

i assume the vast majority of people here are pro-immigration. but is anyone anti-immigration?

[which doctor]

I wouldn't call myself "pro-immigration" in the sense that I advocate immigration. But by all means, switch countries by all means. It's you're right. I'm certainly not anti-immigration in any sense.

[Jamal]

Well, as I see the world, immigration is nothing! Its just going from one place to another! There shuld be no borders so anyone can go anywhere!

[R_P_A_S]

im just anti when people of others countries come to the US to fuck up. and give the workers a bad name.

[Rawthentic]

What do you mean? Give some examples please.

And to reply to the post, I cannto be pro or anti immigration. This is because people are impelled to immigrate, say, from Mexico, because of a dire economic need. So saying that I am pro would assume that I advocated them leaving their homes to come and be exploited in the US.

And I am not anti because that would mean that I'd be some xenophobe and wouldnt give a shit if they were rotting in their own country.

[RevSouth]

It appears to me that anyone has a right to be whereever they want in the world. I just hate to hear people ***** and moan about immigration into the United States. How the fuck do you think your family go here? The only people who can complain are truly the Native Americans. Then they say, "We came here legally", well it was also a bit easier to get here then, wasn't it?

[Ol' Dirty]

I have a mixed view of immagration.

In the grand scheme of things, immagration and emmigration are little more than pullyes and cogs to the corporate mechanism. Most American, British and French immagrants are merely exploited for their cheap labor. In America, Mexican immagrants are given poor living and working conditions, are given the rights of, in the most basic sense, of second-class citizens, and are subject to massive amounts of ethnic and so-called racial bigotry, esspecialy "illegals". They are merely a table for the Tzars of US Imperialism to count their coin. It's no better anywhere else.

On the other hand, if the government were to let immagrants come to America as huyman beings, would create more stringent laws about working conditions and hours, would be more supportive (which, ironicaly, is their job), and do what they were supposed to do, I would be more leniant.

To hell with American Imperialism! Vive de la Revolucion!

[homeo_apathy]

we were all immigrants at some stage. unless you're indigenous. I'd be pissed off if i was an Australian aboriginie. Us settelers wiped out a complete aboriginal race in Tasmania and tried to breed the rest of them out.

[Vanguard1917]

We have to demand an open-door policy on immigration, with a no-ifs-no-buts stance.


im just anti when people of others countries come to the US to fuck up. and give the workers a bad name.

What does that mean?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 09:25 AM
im just anti when people of others countries come to the US to fuck up. and give the workers a bad name.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I'm not sure if I dig the underlying connotations of what exactly "fucking up" is to you.

Can you be a bit more specific and give me specific examples of how immigrants "fuck up" in a way that the native population is incapable of?

In addition can you show how these actions in some waylead to a social stigma that was not there prior to their arrival?

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 07:56 AM
we were all immigrants at some stage. unless you're indigenous. I'd be pissed off if i was an Australian aboriginie. Us settelers wiped out a complete aboriginal race in Tasmania and tried to breed the rest of them out.
This is actually untrue. There are still Aboriginal people in Tasmania, and there always have been - though there was an attempted genocide of Indigenous nations of the island it was not 'successful'.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 04:25 PM
im just anti when people of others countries come to the US to fuck up. and give the workers a bad name.
What exactly are u hinting at? Are u referring to Central American gangsters maybe?
U do realize that like them, all immigrants are victims of capitalism



All ppl have the right to emigrate in response to hardships and exploitation, regardless if they may come into another country (US, UK,...) and continue to be exploited and marginalized

In addition, I think that Cubans have a right to emigrate to the US just as others do
I support the fact that they've decided to come to the US, though Im not thrilled
The only time I have a problem with them is when they begin to scheme and plot ways to overthrow the Cuban gov and thus open the doors for the American imperialists

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 03:55 PM
Well, as I see the world, immigration is nothing! Its just going from one place to another! There shuld be no borders so anyone can go anywhere!
thats the sort of response i was looking for and i agree with :D :)

my usual response to people who are anti-immigration is, as long as we live in an unequal world, as long as there are poor countries and rich countries, poor people will always flock to richer countries.

another interesting thing on immigration, i read yesterday (i'll try and find it later) that europes economy is facing stagnation because of decreasing populations. so all the right-wing people who say we are over-populated can shove that up there arse.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Vinny Rafarino+Aug 15 2006, 10:42 PM--> (Vinny Rafarino @ Aug 15 2006, 10:42 PM)
[email protected] 15 2006, 09:25 AM
im just anti when people of others countries come to the US to fuck up. and give the workers a bad name.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I'm not sure if I dig the underlying connotations of what exactly "fucking up" is to you.

Can you be a bit more specific and give me specific examples of how immigrants "fuck up" in a way that the native population is incapable of?

In addition can you show how these actions in some waylead to a social stigma that was not there prior to their arrival? [/b]
gettin caught up in bullshit. fighting with our own. and for example turn to a life of crime. just give the police and excuse to blame shit on immigrants. I've known lots of homies who brought nothing but bullshit to the states with them. they didnt come to work and provide for their families. thats what i mean by coming here to fuck up. give the real honest hard working immigrant a bad name.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 10:02 PM
gettin caught up in bullshit. fighting with our own. and for example turn to a life of crime. just give the police and excuse to blame shit on immigrants. I've known lots of homies who brought nothing but bullshit to the states with them. they didnt come to work and provide for their families. thats what i mean by coming here to fuck up. give the real honest hard working immigrant a bad name.
Wow.

You actually attempted to defend your completely reactionary position rather than just take your lumps and move on.

Anyway, I'm not going to bother refuting some pile of nonsense some kid parroted from his father.

Good luck with that "conservative thing", I hope it works out for you. :lol:

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 11:02 PM
gettin caught up in bullshit. fighting with our own.
They're hardly alone in that. Look at this message board...


and for example turn to a life of crime.

So? A life of crime certainly sounds appealing compared to the horror that is bottom-rung work in a capitalist society.


just give the police and excuse to blame shit on immigrants.

Like they need one? The poor will always be on the opposite side of the police, law-abiding or not.


I've known lots of homies who brought nothing but bullshit to the states with them. they didnt come to work and provide for their families.

Again, so? The border is an imaginary line and I'm more concerned with the gangsters controlling the borders than some small-timers who slip across.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+Aug 17 2006, 05:02 AM--> (R_P_A_S @ Aug 17 2006, 05:02 AM)
Originally posted by Vinny [email protected] 15 2006, 10:42 PM

[email protected] 15 2006, 09:25 AM
im just anti when people of others countries come to the US to fuck up. and give the workers a bad name.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I'm not sure if I dig the underlying connotations of what exactly "fucking up" is to you.

Can you be a bit more specific and give me specific examples of how immigrants "fuck up" in a way that the native population is incapable of?

In addition can you show how these actions in some waylead to a social stigma that was not there prior to their arrival?
gettin caught up in bullshit. fighting with our own. and for example turn to a life of crime. just give the police and excuse to blame shit on immigrants. I've known lots of homies who brought nothing but bullshit to the states with them. they didnt come to work and provide for their families. thats what i mean by coming here to fuck up. give the real honest hard working immigrant a bad name. [/b]
What exactly is "getting caught up in bullshit?"
U gotta realize that most of society's problems come as a result of the nature of capitalism
Crime is a result of capitalism's negligence and ignorance towards the social needs of many people
In other words, ppl don't choose to be criminals
But rather, ppl are forced into a life of crime in order to make up for the shortcomings of society in regards to their needs and wants
The police exist because the bourgeoisie needs a force to protect their private property and to maintain the status quo (wealth in the hands of the rich, and dirt in the hands of the poor)
Like the working class, the immigrants are unjustly targetted by the police in order to prevent proletarian unity be it American, Mexican, or Salvadoran
So, no matter what they do, immigrants are always gonna be targetted by the police
I don't even know why your interested in what the 5-0 thinks?
They are the working man's enemy because they are the bourgeoisie's mechanism of repression

I understand what your hinting at, but u gotta realize that instead of being against these ppl (troublemakers), u gotta help em out and raise their consciousness about the reality of capitalism
Instead of blaming them for the nature of a pig, u should be helping them out and informing them on ways that they can fight and overcome the ignorance under which they're living

[comrade_amber]

Capitalism is the problem NOT the solution man!

It's time to overthrow the whole damn system brothers & sisters!

[Janus]

but is anyone anti-immigration?
If you wanted to hear their views, you would have to post this in OI but I wouldn't bother. Their arguements are quite ridiculous as are their solutions. :lol: