9/11 and the New World Order

[reaper68]

9/11 was an inside job. But what were the government's motives for carrying it out. Simply put it was the foundational event for the creation of what Goerge Bush Sr has often reffered to as a New Word Order.

Free online Videos

Terrorstorm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...7&q=terrorstorm (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&q=terrorstorm)

Martial Law 911 Rise of the Police State
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...1&q=martial+law (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=martial+law)

911 The Road to Tyranny
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...9985&q=911+road (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1358726890127819985&q=911+road)

Loose Change 2nd Edition
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=15...&q=loose+change (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1519312457137943386&q=loose+change)


Video clips

9/11

New York firemen discuss collapse of WTC
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...WTC+collapseWTC (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6246148295258152003&q=WTC+collapseWTC) collapse

WTC Collapse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmBL2oYdXWQ...=WTC%20collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmBL2oYdXWQ&search=WTC%20collapse)

WTC Brought Down By Bombs Not Jet Fuel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncql4Fqcp7k

Police Found Suspected Bombs In WTC On 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdrUMfax8I

WTC Fireman: "bomb in the building start clearing out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C26k0nCE1_M

MSNBC's Ann Thompson - second explosion – WTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xToXTufCL5Q

Second plane hits, jet fuel explodes outside the tower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wopDyIyDa9o

The collapse of WTC 7 Controlled Demolition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qWFVzBdM5s

The collapse of WTC 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLqx_gjBAg

9/11 WTC7 collapse footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWemhf8fZ2w

WTC 7 imploding - Dan Rather comments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BcquyD_DcQ

BYU professor claims WTC collapse was controlled demolition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eOrLHx-uec

Proof thermite charges were used on 911 to bring down the towers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA

Thermite: Puddles Of Steel 6 Weeks After WTC Demolition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0MnfzkOhM

Thermite Experiment: Compare this video to the molten medal seen falling from the WTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrCWLpRc1yM

Controlled demolition (compare this controlled demolition to what happened to the WTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yK9XLRb1u8

Larry Silverstein admitting that he pulled building 7. Keep in mind it takes days to wire a building for demolition. But magically they were able to do it on 9/11 in just a few hours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7he_sAVs0A...y%20Silverstein (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7he_sAVs0A&search=Larry%20Silverstein)

NORAD stand down on 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpN5ozmew8s...%20stand%20down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpN5ozmew8s&search=NORAD%20stand%20down)

9/11 NORAD part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef8IY3zKEcc...%20stand%20down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef8IY3zKEcc&search=NORAD%20stand%20down)

9/11 NORAD part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vef2klsYRY4...%20stand%20down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vef2klsYRY4&search=NORAD%20stand%20down)

Short Version of 9/11 NORAD tapes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oj4khkq-eI

NORAD was running Drills on 9/11. There was also a drill during the 7/7 bombings in London
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ65NwtbQic

London Bombings mastermind was working for Mi6 (British Intelligence). Just like the 9/11 hijackers were living with FBI informants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoxPY3H5EqA

George W. Bush: Don’t tolerate 9/11 conspiracy theories
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpEOngofS0

Where was President Bush on the morning of 9/11?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CvvWn5Erqw

What Did He Know? (Bush's odd behavior the morning of 9/11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j2VXfoy-dk...related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j2VXfoy-dk&mode=related&search=)

How did Bush see the first plane hit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpQdrBblw-c

Analysis of the Bin Ladin Confession Tape
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...adin+confession (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5199846507078029476&q=bin+ladin+confession)

Lou Dobbs Calls for a new investigation into 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahv3VdknyZ4

The Oklahoma City bombing: The official story of Timothy McVey blowing up the Oklahoma City Federal Building with a truck bomb is a lie. Multiple bombs where found inside the building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUVmKtArCw

The Lone Gunmen (pilot episode) - PREDICTS EVENTS OF 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQyYuWXp3E8

Charlie Sheen Challenges the 9/11 official story on national TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UmxPYiP9go...06sheentv%2Ehtm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UmxPYiP9go&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Fartic les%2Fapril2006%2F150406sheentv%2Ehtm)

Alex Jones Interviews X-Files/Lone Gunmen Star Dean Haglund: A Lone Gunmen episode about flying hijacked jets into the WTC and pentagon and using drills to confuse NORAD so they would stand down aired a few months prior 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krgljzHbY20...related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krgljzHbY20&mode=related&search=)

Alex Jones predicts 9/11 on his July 25, 2001 TV Show
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...es+predicts+911 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1222445722544874066&q=Alex+Jones+predicts+911)

Alex Jones interviews actor Charlie Sheen who believes that the official 9/11 story is a fraud.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4559472852690653060


New World Order

George H W Bush talks about a New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

George H W Bush talks about a New World Order again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drmfLdCFmGk

Former President Clinton Calls for a New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEDuOAtGtWc

The Bushes connection to the Nazis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj1OdjNpqdI


Secret Societies

The Bilderberg Group

CNN: The Bilderberg Group
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpFT6doERhY

Bilderberg Group Covered By Canadian News
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...ilderberg+group (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7856922260210276179&q=bilderberg+group)

Alex Jones Bullhorns the Bilderberg Group
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ziO1Z0yM7A

Skull and Bones

Bush and Kerry are both members Skull and Bones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXqJ4sC6EGs

MSNBC Countdown reports on Skull and Bones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW9RtfIiMog

Fox News reports on Skull and Bones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZNYGzeupk

Skull bones bush secrets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1voGyccmaA

Bush in Skull and Bones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY-0OMAqNqI

John Kerry Skull and Bones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5c3ZnkcduM...related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5c3ZnkcduM&mode=related&search=)

Bohemian Grove

Bohemian Grove Cremation of Care Ritual
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm3rfY-BK0k

Nixon Tape Discusses Homosexuals at Bohemian Grove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPb-PN9F2Pc

David Gergen asked about Bohemian Grove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bCALi5Q_Kc


North American Union

CNN North American Union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxCeWQ9Ge38


War on Terror

The Daily Show Deconstructs Fed’s Miami Terrorists Hype
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8a4z9N3eYc

CNN's Anderson Cooper: Are Sears Tower Terrorists Patsies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su2GaxvRLYE...06patsies%2Ehtm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su2GaxvRLYE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Fartic les%2Fjuly2006%2F040706patsies%2Ehtm)

False Flag Operations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDmzw-jHrck

False Flag Operations 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygmojLcPTkc


Iraq War

U.S. Government says that torture and warrentless searches are legal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-hWnXEy40s
Note: Whitehouse council John Hue has openly stated that it is ok to torture small children in front their parents, and in some cases sexually

MSNBC Countdown: New Downing Street Memo Bush wanted to stage false flag operations to invade Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4D5MRkzPYA

Former CIA Analyst Ray McGovern confronts Donald Rumsfeild over the Iraq War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyYlSSlSOXY

John Stewart: Donald Rumsfeld lies about WMDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrXaFluPY4A

Rumsfeld lies again about WMDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Elr-TtqVB8

Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Husan back in the mid 1980s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTldYbqlJc8

U.S. Troops drive tank over car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPx-X_ldiG8

New Iraq massacre tape emerges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM7pzc6__zI

U.S. troops target Iraqi civilians in revenge attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42gjsGAjwyM

SBS Dateline documentary about the Abu Ghraib
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru0bxSqWMdo

Abu Ghraib – The True Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kZ5rEJd38


Police State

The Daily Show- Living In A Police State
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6otbnLMDVM

Gun Confiscation in New Orleans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwlUqO6tRlU

Urban Warfare Drill Military Preparing for Martial Law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ

Martial Law Is Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9_5aBU33E

CNN Constitutional Crisis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbWnRwN375w

FEMA Camp Footage (Concentrations Camps in USA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

AC/DC - Back in Black video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfyKEGOLYQ4


Big Brother

America: Freedom to Fascism preview
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...edom+to+Fascism (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4035648463442185390&q=America%3A+Freedom+to+Fascism)

John Stewart on the NSA spying program
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plDZxWlxYmk

Bush/NSA spying on US Citizens: illegal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5eWtAYno4

CNN NSA Spying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6B7BrA7ww4

Scarborough Slams Government For Bank Records
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3J1K2oU8OA

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales thinks George Washington Authorized Electronic Surveillance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3lYA3V5gZ8

Alex Jones: The implantable microchip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uVw5XSWbjA

CEO of applied digital interviewed about the verichip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daCmVSLYI5k


Miscellaneous

Colbert Roasts President Bush – 2006 Whitehouse Correspondence Dinner
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...8574879&q=CSPAN (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879&q=CSPAN)


Websites

9/11 Truth Websites
http://www.911truth.org
http://www.911blogger.com
http://www.st911.org
http://www.911citizenswatch.org
http://www.ny911truth.org
http://www.justicefor911.org
http://www.911inquiry.org
http://www.sf911truth.org
http://www.vt911.org
http://www.septembereleventh.org
http://www.911forthetruth.com
http://www.911truthla.us
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://www.911research.com
http://www.911revisited.com
http://911review.com
http://www.911eyewitness.com
http://www.v911t.org
http://911readingroom.org
http://www.911busters.com
http://www.universalseed.org/main.asp
http://www.911truthseekers.org/modules/weblog
http://www.reopen911.org
http://9eleven.info
http://911source.org
http://www.911tv.org
http://www.truth911.net
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information
http://www.truthmove.org/insight/911.html
http://physics911.net


Iraq War

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog
http://iraqblogcount.blogspot.com
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/albums.php
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com
http://healingiraq.blogspot.com
http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com
http://iraqispirit.blogspot.com
http://blog.aliraqi.org


North American Union

http://www.spp.gov/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...3/20060331.html (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060331.html)
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/at...ca_TF_final.pdf (http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf)


Alternative news sites

http://www.infowars.com
http://www.infowars.net
http://www.prisonplanet.com
http://www.prisonplanet.tv
http://www.jonesreport.com
http://www.falseflagnews.com
http://www.tvnewslies.org
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.rense.com
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
http://www.propagandamatrix.com
http://www.capitolhillblue.com
http://www.therawstory.com
http://www.guerrillanews.com

[Tekun]

This belongs in Chit Chat :rolleyes:

[Sadena Meti]

This belongs in Trash

[T Man]

No way am I going to watch all those videos...

[Dreckt]

I don't understand: why do "conspirasionists" post their stuff here? I mean, sure, sometimes it may be fun watching those (try when you're drunk for example :D ), but since they are full of right-wing views, zero fact, and nothing out of a leftist perspective, I mean, why?

:wacko:

[reaper68]

Originally posted by T [email protected] 14 2006, 10:56 AM
No way am I going to watch all those videos...
Most of those links are to short 1 minute video clips. And most of them are straight from mainstream news sources

[reaper68]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 11:55 AM
I don't understand: why do "conspirasionists" post their stuff here? I mean, sure, sometimes it may be fun watching those (try when you're drunk for example :D ), but since they are full of right-wing views, zero fact, and nothing out of a leftist perspective, I mean, why?

:wacko:
As I said most of those links are to mainstream news sources not to someones website or blog

[YKTMX]

I admire guys like Alex Jones for their tenacity, but their "theories" tend to be rather half-baked, full of contradictions and self-perpetuating myths. For instance, most "New World Order" conspiracies contend that some secret group stretching back into pre-history has been directing, and still directs, human affairs - the so-called Illuminati. Most of them claim that many of the founding fathers of the US, especially Ben Franklin, were members of this group. Yet, in order to "defend liberty" today, most of them make reference to the US Constitution, a document drawn up by the same guys who were "in on it" from the start.

I think if they really sat down and thought about it for a while, they might find it all a bit absurd.

[reaper68]

Did you look at any of the video clips from mainstream news sourcs where they talked about the bilderberg group or skull and bones? The bilderberg group was actually reported on by the mainstream canadian news when they met in Ottawa back in june. Skulla and Bones was also reported in the news. I linked to clips from MSNBC Countdown where they report that both George W Bush and John Kerry were members of skull and bones. . Think about that, out of 290 million americans 2 people from the same secret society in collage ran against each other to be president of the united states. Now you tell me what the chances of that happening by accident are. Also as far as 9/11 is concered I linked to mainstream news clips where reporters said that there were bombs in the buildings. I even linked to a clip where Dan Rather even said that the collapse of building 7 looked like a controled demoliton. Then therei is also the clip were Larry Silverstein admitts on TV that he blew up building 7 on the afternoon of 9/11. Larry Silverstein admits blowing up WTC 7 and you still don't believe it.

Yes Goerge Washington and Benjamen Franklin were both members of the masons. That's a historical fact. I doubt however they knew exacty what the masons where all about because there were and still are a lot of masons and most of them don't realize that the people at the top have dark agendas

Oh yeah and by the way did you also watch those clips of Bush Sr and Bill Clinton talking about a New World Order. Bush Sr even said New World Order three times in a speach to congress

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 08:24 AM
Yes Goerge Washington and Benjamen Franklin were both members of the masons. That's a historical fact. I doubt however they knew exacty what the masons where all about because there were and still are a lot of masons and most of them don't realize that the people at the top have dark agendas
The masons have no ancient history. All that was made up later. The origin of the masons was very simple, petty bourgeois anti-royalists of late golden age Britain. The myth and conspiracy nonsense was created later, both from inside and outside the organization. Eventually it stopped being about changing society and focused more on getting members’ drunk driving tickets canceled. Feckin’ old boys club giving conspiracy theorists wet dreams.

All conspiracy theorists should be put on a prison island together, where they will either become mute from jabbering on constantly, or their paranoid schizophrenia will lead them to suicide.

[bcbm]

Think about that, out of 290 million americans 2 people from the same secret society in collage ran against each other to be president of the united states.

Well, when we narrow it down from 290 million americans to the children of the rich, white, New England political elite, I'd say the odds are pretty good. Its frat disguised as a secret society, not a conspiracy. :rolleyes:

[reaper68]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 14 2006, 01:58 PM

Think about that, out of 290 million americans 2 people from the same secret society in collage ran against each other to be president of the united states.

Well, when we narrow it down from 290 million americans to the children of the rich, white, New England political elite, I'd say the odds are pretty good. Its frat disguised as a secret society, not a conspiracy. :rolleyes:
Well isn't that New England political elite conspiring to get into positions of power. Did you not watch that MSNBC clip where one of the former members of skull and bones admitted that the goal of the organization was to get bonesmen into positions of power. Is that not a conspiracy?

[reaper68]

Originally posted by rev-stoic+Aug 14 2006, 01:32 PM--> (rev-stoic @ Aug 14 2006, 01:32 PM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 08:24 AM
Yes Goerge Washington and Benjamen Franklin were both members of the masons. That's a historical fact. I doubt however they knew exacty what the masons where all about because there were and still are a lot of masons and most of them don't realize that the people at the top have dark agendas
The masons have no ancient history. All that was made up later. The origin of the masons was very simple, petty bourgeois anti-royalists of late golden age Britain. The myth and conspiracy nonsense was created later, both from inside and outside the organization. Eventually it stopped being about changing society and focused more on getting members’ drunk driving tickets canceled. Feckin’ old boys club giving conspiracy theorists wet dreams.

All conspiracy theorists should be put on a prison island together, where they will either become mute from jabbering on constantly, or their paranoid schizophrenia will lead them to suicide. [/b]
I don't claim to know much about the masons. All I do no is that George Washington and Benjiman Franklin were both members.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 08:44 AM
Well isn't that New England political elite conspiring to get into positions of power. Did you not watch that MSNBC clip where one of the former members of skull and bones admitted that the goal of the organization was to get bonesmen into positions of power. Is that not a conspiracy?
No, its the US aristocracy raising its youth to continue their aristocratic traditions and pursuits, like politics.

[reaper68]

Originally posted by reaper68+Aug 14 2006, 02:46 PM--> (reaper68 @ Aug 14 2006, 02:46 PM)
Originally posted by rev-[email protected] 14 2006, 01:32 PM

[email protected] 14 2006, 08:24 AM
Yes Goerge Washington and Benjamen Franklin were both members of the masons. That's a historical fact. I doubt however they knew exacty what the masons where all about because there were and still are a lot of masons and most of them don't realize that the people at the top have dark agendas
The masons have no ancient history. All that was made up later. The origin of the masons was very simple, petty bourgeois anti-royalists of late golden age Britain. The myth and conspiracy nonsense was created later, both from inside and outside the organization. Eventually it stopped being about changing society and focused more on getting members’ drunk driving tickets canceled. Feckin’ old boys club giving conspiracy theorists wet dreams.

All conspiracy theorists should be put on a prison island together, where they will either become mute from jabbering on constantly, or their paranoid schizophrenia will lead them to suicide.
I don't claim to know much about the masons. All I do no is that George Washington and Benjiman Franklin were both members.[/b]

Why is it people say there is no such thing as conspircies. Maybe if you lived in a third world dictatorship you wouldn't be so niave. Crimminals have always conspired to get into government ot get into highter positions of power. If you look back at history you'll notice that freedom is very very rare and slavery is the norm. Human history has been one tyrannt after another abusing populations. The people that did have freedom had to fight and die for it. the history of government shows that usually crimminals will get into government and use the government to enslave there populations. This is what happened in Germany in 1933. Do you think that Adolf Hitler Just became dictator over night? Of course he didn't. He was elected president by the German people. Unfortunately though for the german people Hitler did not have their best interests in mind. Evidence recovered from Nazi Archives as well as testimony from the Nerimberg Trials proves that on the night of November 27 1933 Adolf Hitler ordered Hermin Goring to set fire to Reichstag government building. Immidiately afterwards followed a wave of arrests as well as the passage of orwellian laws similar to the U.S.A. Patriot Act. Hitler used the crisis that he had commited to convince the German people to give up their rights or Germany would be attacked again. Hitler followed by imposing martial law on germany and the rest as they say is history. This is just one example of how an elected leader can become a dictator if he can fool the poeple into going along with him. It has happened many times in the past and don't think for a second that it can't happen in the United States. Why do you think that the creators of the constitution went to so much trouble to restrain the power of the federal government. If government is good and can trusted then why bother giving it limited authority. The reason is they knew exacty how dangorus the government is. Something we seem to have forgotten today. And now anyone who has there eyes open and watches events in the real world and can see what happened in 1933 in Germany happening in the U.S. is simply dismissed as a conspiracy theorist. It doesn't matter if historicly governments become tyrannical try to dominate their populations. The media has just told you that anyone who thinks that the governemt is becoming tyrannical is just a conspiracy theorist. It doesn't matter what kind of evidence they have. They could have video footage of George W Bush BarBQing small children on the whitehouse lawn (not that I do I'm using that as an example) but it would just be a rediculous conspiracy theory. They could have video of Larry Silverstein admitting that he blew up building 7 on the evening of 9/11 at 5:20 pm even though it would take days to set the charges but it's just a conspiracy theory. Don't worry government loves you. Government is god. Government would never do anything to hurt you (although in the 20th century alone nearly 200 million people were murdered by their own government). Don't beliee any conspiracy theories.

Sorry for the long rant but it's just frustratiing for people to tell me that I'm just a conspiracy theorist when they have no facts and they know nothing about human history. Maybe what it's goint to take in order for people to truly realize that our government is run by absolute psyhopaths is for the U.S. to collapse into a third world dictatorship. I hope that never happens though although I'm not optimistic that it won't. Our government carried out 9/11 just as sure as Hitler burned the Reichstag. Adolf Hitler was elected by the German people, George W Bush was elected by the Amerian people (although there is tons of proof that he stole both elections using the special electronic voting machines, but let's just assume he was elected). We've seen thoughout history how elected governments can crumble into third world dictatorships. Take Iran for example. They had an elected government until our government overthrew their president in 1953 and put the shaw in (look up operation ajax). The point I'm trying to make is that the United States is headed for a martial law dictatorship. Stop calling me a conspiracy theorist and start looking at the evidence. I am trying to help you for gods sake.

Ok that it's it I'm finished I'm really starting to get carpel tunnel. In closing please take what I'm telling you seriously. I'm simply asking you to look at the evidence

[reaper68]

If you don't thnk Bush and his minions were capable of staging 9/11 just watch this clip. It's only a few minutes long so it shouldn't take much of you time

MSNBC Countdown: New Downing Street Memo Bush wanted to stage false flag operations to invade Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4D5MRkzPYA

[YSR]

Go read Jon Ronson's Them. Alex Jones and his right-wing anti-NWO compatriots take real problems that exist in the world and find explanations that border on, or cross into, the insane.

For the record, Reaper, I doubt you'll find anyone here who says "Government is god," since we're anti-government and mostly atheists.

Maybe it's because I was brought up Catholic, but this just seems like TOO EASY of an answer. So much hatred, struggle and tension across the world, and it's just some secret society within the U.S.? It's just doesn't take into account so many factors.

[reaper68]

Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 14 2006, 04:04 PM
Go read Jon Ronson's Them. Alex Jones and his right-wing anti-NWO compatriots take real problems that exist in the world and find explanations that border on, or cross into, the insane.

For the record, Reaper, I doubt you'll find anyone here who says "Government is god," since we're anti-government and mostly atheists.

Maybe it's because I was brought up Catholic, but this just seems like TOO EASY of an answer. So much hatred, struggle and tension across the world, and it's just some secret society within the U.S.? It's just doesn't take into account so many factors.
I don't care whether you believe me about the secret societies or not. The most importan thing is that you investigate 9/11 and learn what really happened.

[Amusing Scrotum]

You'd think that they'd be good enough to condense all those videos into one documentary. Or, better yet, a written text. Ah well, onwards and upwards....


Originally posted by reaper68+--> (reaper68)I even linked to a clip where Dan Rather even said that the collapse of building 7 looked like a controled demoliton.[/b]

Wow!

Some Media hack says something "looks like" something else and, therefore, it must be the case. :lol:

Honestly, Rather doesn't even use the correct term, building implosion; so I see absolutely no reason to accept his "analysis" over the scientific studies of the Engineering community. After all, Wayne Rooney "looks like" Shrek, but that doesn't mean that Wayne Rooney actually played the role of Shrek in that wonderful DreamWorks picture.


reaper68
Well isn't that New England political elite conspiring to get into positions of power.

In a sense, yes. Though the "conspiring" is fundamentally the same as the "conspiring" used by the various feudal rulers who made sure their offspring inherited vast fortunes and positions of power.

That is, it is just a characteristic of class society....and it's not really any great "conspiracy". Indeed, as one poster mentioned, it's more like a "Feckin’ old boys club".

Simply put, the "bilderberg group" and "skull and bones" are the ruling class version of the Workies. And where as in the Workies the benefits you'll get will include things like cheap tobacco and a nice chop, in the ruling class social clubs you'll get good share tips and Governmental favours. No great conspiracy, just the normal practice of class society.

[Dreckt]

If there was a conspiracy, would they even let people have something called "democracy", or even demonstrations at all? Why go through the trouble by creating the Soviet Union, then putting it down? Why create a constitution and then put it down too? If they are so powerful, and if they were real, we would all be in a totalitarian state a'la Orwell '84.

But, it does not mean that it can not happen in the future. Sure, there could be some person trying to conquer the world by conspiratorial means. But since all conspiracies, or most of them, come from America, is about America and the American people, the American democracy, American lands, property, whatnot, I find it hard to believe that the whole world is threatened by some conspiracy.

Not to mention, just about every solution is going back to the o'l good days when the federal state was thin - but still within capitalism. Isn't it strange that it never occured to any conspiracionist? That maybe these types of conspiracies come from capitalism, not some "evil" group? On the contrary, they say socialism and communism is bad and evil, and that American capitalism is good... it just has to get back into order again.

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