Venezuelan Revolution

[Karl Marx's Camel]

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144&q=The+Revolution+Will+Not+Be+Televised)

Quite inspiring...

So the plane was going to the Dominican Republic? Do anyone of you (seriouly) think that the Dominican Republic was involved..?

[TC]

I've seen it i think its very good.

[Mariam]

I just can't get enough of it..

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Probably going to see it again. I think it really capture the truth. I think it's quite special since the documentary is in the middle of it all, literally.

[Che Guevara 1967]

Amazing. It's just like the US to call a leader a terrorist simply because his interests do not include the wealth of the US. If you ask me, Chavez is a DAMN good leader, and by far the closest thing the world has to a perfect leader. I truly believe Che Guevara would be proud of Chavez...

[Gryphon]

Hi Ho comrades, I finally had the chance to view the coup in Venezula in 2002. Some of you might had already had watched it or discussed it here before. But here is the link to our new-comers to enjoy one of the most interesting documentries I've seen for a long time.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Interesting

[Delta]

It was an interesting documentary, especially when the soldiers retake the Presidential building or whatever they called it.

[Gryphon]

I especially like the part at the end of the film when they captured some of the coup leaders who were previously laughing their asses off when they took the power from Chavez. Who's laughing now!

[Janus]

Merged.

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 05:03 PM
Merged.
Thanks comrade.




I think Venezuela Bolivariana is a great movie also. Has anybody seen that?

[Delta]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 10:55 AM

I think Venezuela Bolivariana is a great movie also. Has anybody seen that?
I saw it! It's been awhile, but I enjoyed it as much as I can remember.

[Ander]

Originally posted by Che Guevara [email protected] 17 2006, 04:42 AM
If you ask me, Chavez is a DAMN good leader, and by far the closest thing the world has to a perfect leader. I truly believe Che Guevara would be proud of Chavez...
I disagree with both of your statements. Chavez is a populist, nothing more. He has little to do with genuine socialism and much less with communism.

[Delta]

He's definitely not perfect.

[Streetz]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=58...ez&am%20p;hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144&q=hugo+chavez&am%20p;hl=en)


This is a good movie its kinda long but a good overall watch.

[comrade_amber]

I'm all for a left wing revolution in latin America - I just don't think Chavez is the man to lead it.

He's so over the top that it's hard to take him seriously.

Fidel should be the model to emulate.

[bolshevik butcher]

I think this is quite a ridiculius comment really. It's not a question of fidel or chavez, it's a question of the latin american working class gaining consciousness and striving towards socialism. Clearly the methods of the cuban revolution, guerilla warfare, have failed in the rest of Latin America. It is the tasks of marxists in venezuela and laitn america as a whole to intervene in the workers movment.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

It is the tasks of marxists in venezuela and laitn america as a whole to intervene in the workers movment.

What do you mean by this?

[bolshevik butcher]

I mean that marxists, as they are at the moment in Venezuela must within groups of advanced workers make clear that a push for socialism and democract workers control of factories is needed.

[Janus]

The whole film was made by pro-Chavez people so it is somewhat biased.

Besides, we've discussed this before in Lit & Films.

[Faceless]

I disagree with both of your statements. Chavez is a populist, nothing more. He has little to do with genuine socialism and much less with communism.
You mean literally nothing more? I think statements like that will certainly not find much echo in Venezuela itself. Chavez has successfully turned the nationalised oil industry into a tool for the enrichment of lives of the Venezuelan people, having previously been the money cow of a tiny elite, and through the missions has systematically improved the lives of the mass of poor and working people in Venezuela. He has incurred the wrath of the national bourgeoisie through the lockout, and the coup attempt, as well as the US imperialists who through their complicity in attempting to overthrow Chavez, and though their spoon-feeding the world media, have also shown a total intollerance to Chavez. And inspite of that Chavez has not for one moment sold Venezuela out but has infact opened a veritable flood gate by helping radicalise the workers and peasants and has given the impetus to the formation of the revolutionary "co-management" movement which is effective workers control.

Of course Chavez is not a Marxist, but people who wait for pure, perfect revolutions will not live to see them. The fact is that Chavez has played no small part in the revolutionary wave of activity sweeping Venezuela. It seems only you and a few similar external, ultra-left observers are happy to ignore this process.


He's so over the top that it's hard to take him seriously.
Are you talking about his "folksy way" as I've heard it described? It may well be that he comes across as strange to you but you are observing it from a western milieu no doubt and have your own set of standards as to what is "ridiculous". Obviously this has little to do with the importance of the social movement which is taking place in Venezuela.

[Chavez]

Very interesting documentation.

As a Peruvian I sincerely hope that Latin America pursues its goals of a left winged continent under the influence of Hugo Chavez.
The first step was already made by the election of Evo Morales.
Unfortunately Ollanta Humala couldnt follow even though Alan Garcia ( new Peruvian president ) has a socialist background and might stick to his former ideals.

The cold war is over and the US has to concentrate on its war fields in the middle east.
The perfect time to develope for Latin America.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 07:55 PM


As a Peruvian I sincerely hope that Latin America pursues its goals of a left winged continent under the influence of Hugo Chavez.
The first step was already made by the election of Evo Morales.
Unfortunately Ollanta Humala couldnt follow even though Alan Garcia ( new Peruvian president ) has a socialist background and might stick to his former ideals.

Why Evo Morales is no answer (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?132)

I don't think Alan Garcia has any socialist ideas or tendencies
He's member of the APRA, whose political ideology is social democracy aka "humane" capitalism, hardly socialist
He's like Bachelet in Chile and Lula in Brazil, liars who pose as socialists in order to attain popularity and trust

[pastradamus]

I think When it comes to Chavez He's using Cult of personallity a bit much. Every Time I hear about him he's visiting some foreign Anti-US state or leader. Loves the Camera a bit too much for my own personal liking but I still maintain that he is a good, Energetic leader and has finally given the prolitariet a piece of the juicy Oil pie.

[Clarksist]

It is really inspiring. We will see in the future, if everything pans out.

At least he's given Venezuelan's freedom of speech and democracy. But those are very small and unimportant without economic freedom as well.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 08:45 AM
The whole film was made by pro-Chavez people so it is somewhat biased
No it wasn't, it was made by some Irish guys who were there for something completely different and ended up making a documentary on the coup instead

[Lenin's Law]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 04:57 PM
Of course Chavez is not a Marxist, but people who wait for pure, perfect revolutions will not live to see them. The fact is that Chavez has played no small part in the revolutionary wave of activity sweeping Venezuela. It seems only you and a few similar external, ultra-left observers are happy to ignore this process.

I agree strongly with this statement. Against sectarianism and waiting for the "perfect" revolutinary/revolution to occur. Instead what real Marxists (and Anarchists, other revolutionary leftists, etc) should be doing is giving Chavez crititcal support, encouraging the working people in raising their class consciousness and becoming more progressive, more militant. We must seem that we are with the working class and not like the liberals who sit in their Ivory Towers from on high and complain "Tsk! Tsk! Oh look it's those uneducated masses again supporting some populist, how silly!"

Our task is not to judge from our positions of relative privilege but to support, offer guidance and education; in essence show them the path with the understanding that they themselves, the workers must take. The so called Revolutionary Leftists that act like liberals and complain about each and every progressive movement under the sun that is not to their own leftist cup of tea will never be looked on favorably by the masses; no one likes an eternal whiner and cynic, the workers are fighting every day for their freedom and if are any revolutionary at all, we must support them.

[Lenin's Law]

Now, as for the movie itself :D I did manage to see it and as someone who has traveled to Cuba, it immediately brought back memories of my visit there. Not from its political structure but from the people, architecture, Carribbean-atmosphere, and all.

I thought the movie really gave one the feel that they were on the "inside" in Venezuela; you could tell right away this wasn't some fancy Hollywood studio behind the production, that it was independent, and going to show you the all the different Venezuelas - The elite Venezuela, the working-class Venezuela, the skyscrapers of the rich and the shantytowns of the poor. Too often in the "mainstream" films we get a focus of only the bourgeois lifestyle and nothing else even though the working poor make up the vast majority of the country's population.

One of the best parts of the film was immediately after the coup had taken place; where you see the reactionaries, the businessmen, the corrupt politicians proudly announcing that the Venezuelan Congress, the Supreme Court, had all been abolished while the elected President was in chains and to the the reactionaries chanted "DEMOCRACY&#33; DEMOCRACY&#33;" <_<

The film made it a point to show the police and the military beginning to crack down on dissent and of course the way the media shamelessly promoated an anti-Chavez/pro-bourgeois agenda, (despite the fact of course that Chavez was largely "playing by the rules" I think this should serve as good warning to those pacificsts and idealists who believe that radical change is possible without resorting to struggle or class war) while the crowd of reactionaries were chanting "Democracy Democracy" making it all the more hollow.

A very sad and cynical interpretation of the word democracy indeed.

[Lenin's Law]

Originally posted by bolshevik [email protected] 19 2006, 02:13 PM
I mean that marxists, as they are at the moment in Venezuela must within groups of advanced workers make clear that a push for socialism and democract workers control of factories is needed.
Exactly&#33; :hammer: :redstar:

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Originally posted by Stalin&#39;s [email protected] 4 2006, 07:15 AM
Now, as for the movie itself :D I did manage to see it and as someone who has traveled to Cuba, it immediately brought back memories of my visit there. Not from its political structure but from the people, architecture, Carribbean-atmosphere, and all.

I thought the movie really gave one the feel that they were on the "inside" in Venezuela; you could tell right away this wasn&#39;t some fancy Hollywood studio behind the production, that it was independent, and going to show you the all the different Venezuelas - The elite Venezuela, the working-class Venezuela, the skyscrapers of the rich and the shantytowns of the poor. Too often in the "mainstream" films we get a focus of only the bourgeois lifestyle and nothing else even though the working poor make up the vast majority of the country&#39;s population.

One of the best parts of the film was immediately after the coup had taken place; where you see the reactionaries, the businessmen, the corrupt politicians proudly announcing that the Venezuelan Congress, the Supreme Court, had all been abolished while the elected President was in chains and to the the reactionaries chanted "DEMOCRACY&#33; DEMOCRACY&#33;" <_<

The film made it a point to show the police and the military beginning to crack down on dissent and of course the way the media shamelessly promoated an anti-Chavez/pro-bourgeois agenda, (despite the fact of course that Chavez was largely "playing by the rules" I think this should serve as good warning to those pacificsts and idealists who believe that radical change is possible without resorting to struggle or class war) while the crowd of reactionaries were chanting "Democracy Democracy" making it all the more hollow.

A very sad and cynical interpretation of the word democracy indeed.
I totally agree - I found that part extremely ironic.

[Ander]

I finally saw this film tonight (not sure why I waited so long&#33;), and loved it. It was probably one of the most interesting documentaries I have seen in a long time.

My views on Chavez and the Venezuelan situation have changed significantly since my first post in this thread. The Revolution Will Not Be Televised just solidifies my support for the man and his Bolivarian Revolution.

This film literally had my hairs standing on end at several moments and was truly inspiring. I thought it was amazing how so many thousands of people took to the streets in support of Chavez and the changes he is bringing to Venezuela.

I seriously recommend this movie to everyone, especially to those on here who oppose Chavez.