Need Help PLEASE Comrades

[Rawthentic]

Look comrades, I have been trying to become part of the FPM for a while now, but my parents dont understand. I feel like I am a prisoner and it torments me that I have all this knowledge yet I cant act. Do some of you feel the same way? So, I wanted to know if there was a way ( for you FPMers) that I could become part of the organization without my parents finding out and doing revolutionary work through that. If not the FPM, then some other, possible solutions please. And Im not gonna grab a gun and kill capitalists, so forget it.

[Janus]

If you joined, how would your parents find out as long as you requested the FPM not to send you newsletters,etc? Of course, you would have to make up excuses if you were going to a FPM event but that shouldn't be too hard.

If you don't want to become a member, you could become a sympathizer, I suppose.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Can you receive mail without your parents going through it?

You should be able to do certain political work without them finding out either way.. you can print out leaflets and newspapers (The Free Press and Rebel Yell!) from the PDFs on the site and distribute them. You can attend rallies, and make signs on the way.. you can distribute this literature there.. You can promote the FPM and RY on the internet, in all the different forums / social sites, etc.

[Dzerzhinsky]

Uhh, have none of you heard of a thing called a Post-Office Box? It would sem so.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Maybe he doesn't have money for one. He's 16, maybe he doesn't have the ID necessary for one. Maybe there is no post office near his place, and he has no way to get to one.

[Rawthentic]

Well, no I honestly can't recieve mail without them seeing it first. Can I become an FPM member without them knowing or recieving mail? Maybe I can recieve it somewhere else. Also, what kind of rallies can I go to here? I live in California's central coast and the nearest branch is in Nevada.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Well all of the formalities of joining can't be explained here in an open forum like this; but get in contact with the organization and things will be explained.

You're 16, so you should most likely be joining with the RY. Contact [email protected]

What about printing stuff like I said? Is that an option? How about getting a post office box?

I know that we do have members and supporters in California.. But I'm not sure if they're close to you.

[Dzerzhinsky]

Perhaps it would be a wise choice to just not join this group, as you're only 16 years old, have little independence, finances, or experience. Getting a job at 16 isn't hard, and PO boxes don't cost an arm and a leg.

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

you must resist your idealistic urge to immediatly join a organization if you aren't physically able to

be a materialist, and work within your bounadries to do as much help as you can

when you are able to break those boundaries, then calculate your next plan of action

[violencia.Proletariat]

How exactly can your parents physically stop you from joining an organization?

[Janus]

How exactly can your parents physically stop you from joining an organization?
They can ground him or explicitly forbid him from participating in any actions,etc.
They can do all since they are the parents unless he becomes emancipated.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 12:00 AM

How exactly can your parents physically stop you from joining an organization?
They can ground him or explicitly forbid him from participating in any actions,etc.
They can do all since they are the parents unless he becomes emancipated.
But unless they are willing to kick him out of the house they really can't do any of this. Lots of parents are full of shit and will back off when stood up to.

[Janus]

But unless they are willing to kick him out of the house they really can't do any of this
They could certainly threaten it or physical discipline I suppose.


Lots of parents are full of shit and will back off when stood up to.
Yeah, but it is them who are generally in control.

Of course, I don't know anything about his family so maybe they will back off.

[rouchambeau]

I guess if it were me I wouldn't worry about it. You can always wait two years if you don't want to fight your parents on this one. In the mean time there are probably dozens of things you can do in your community to make a difference.

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Do It in College - its a lot easier :)

U'll need ur parents money for college, so don't waste their support now

[Rawthentic]

OK comrades.. thanks Lennie for the advice. And I'd like to know if there are members or supporters near to me. I live in Monterey. California.

For RevolutionaryMarxist, what kind of work do you think I can do in my present communities?

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Hasta, from what you say, you are still quite young. I admire your eagerness to get stuck in.

But I have seen far too many young comrades like you 'burn themselves out' by jumping in too fast, and trying to do too much. Now they are no use to the movement, or have turned against it.

I am not advising you not to get stuck in, just be careful.

You have many years ahead of you where you do not have to decieve your parents about what you are doing; in your position I'd read as much as I could, and do what I can without lying to my parents.

Capitalism is not about to disappear any day soon.

[Ander]

As a 16 year old myself, I say just lay low until you are out of high school. Do what you can, but don't push yourself when you don't have the liberty to do so. Once this school year is over and I'm out of my parent's house I'm going to become very active in organizations and actions. The wait will be worth it :)

[Rawthentic]

OK comrades, it seems, after reading all your responses, that the best thing for me to do is wait out the 2 years and then become active. My plan is to simply hand out flyers from the FPM to people around my area and explain capitalism and socialism. thanks comrades, you have helped me alot

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 09:32 PM
OK comrades.. thanks Lennie for the advice. And I'd like to know if there are members or supporters near to me. I live in Monterey. California.


Im down south from where your located comrade...Im in the LA area

U might also want to get in touch with RebeldePorLaPaz, that cat is really involved in the FPM's structure
He'll be more than willing to help u out

I've been trying to recruit ppl for the FPM at my school and around the city with the hope of establishing a branch on the West Coast (the Nevada branch was shut down :( )
If we get enough ppl (8-10) we might be able to establish an FPM branch here in Cali
Hit me up if your interested, I only got about 4 ppl interested, so your help would be highly appreciated

[LoneRed]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 12 2006, 10:47 PM
Capitalism is not about to disappear any day soon.
taken from a true reactionary,

The hardest thing someone can do is go against all the preconceived and indoctrinated dogma that surrounds, yet it must be done. having that attitude brings out defeatism. Its not going away soon, so might as well not go against your parents, its not going away soon, so why bother :blush:

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Lone:

taken from a true reactionary,



The hardest thing someone can do is go against all the preconceived and indoctrinated dogma that surrounds, yet it must be done. having that attitude brings out defeatism. Its not going away soon, so might as well not go against your parents, its not going away soon, so why bother

I did not know you were a Blaquist, Lone?

Now, don't forget: do not reveal the date of The Big Day to the FBI or they'll show you what real reactionaries are like.

[Of course, knowing that something is not going to happen any day soon does not imply that one should not organise now for that delayed event -- for example, unions have active fighting funds even when no strikes are on the cards, or are even likely.

Even the ruling class knows about long-term planning -- probably because they do not know any 'dialectics'.

But you do, and that is your punishment.]

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Sounds like you live in a prison.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

NWOG:


Sounds like you live in a prison.

Was this directed at me?

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 13 2006, 04:33 PM

Now, don't forget: do not reveal the date of The Big Day to the FBI or they'll show you what real reactionaries are like.


The FBI prob moniters this site anyway :(, after all we are the biggest revolutionary forum-place on the internet.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 13 2006, 11:48 AM
NWOG:


Sounds like you live in a prison.

Was this directed at me?
I think it was directed towards hastalavictoria, since he is the one with parents who won't let him join.

I can't wait to get out of my town and out of my parent's house either. I wish I didn't have parents like I do now. It's a harmful relationship since it is forced and not mutual.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

(the Nevada branch was shut down :sad: )

No it wasn't. Who told you that?

Anyway Tekun, have you been in contact with the FPM before?

[Tekun]

Originally posted by Lennie [email protected] 14 2006, 02:03 AM

(the Nevada branch was shut down :sad: )

No it wasn't. Who told you that?


I remember that RebeldePorLaPaz said something like that many of the members were moving to other states, and therefore the branch was shutting down
Or maybe I read it in some post where the FPM was being discussed

So it wasn't shut down?



Anyway Tekun, have you been in contact with the FPM before?

Im on their mailing list, and I've been speaking to RebeldePLP about creating a branch in Cali
Regarding the branch, we need some more ppl to join if we are to create branch out here, I've only got about 3

I also mailed a contribution and a membership fee, so I guess I've been in contact

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Fist, thanks for clearing that up!

[Rawthentic]

Comrade Tekun, I live about 5 hrs from you, so I doubt that this will work out.

And to Fist of Blood, yes, I do sometimes feel that I live in a prison at home. I also can't wait to leave town and go to college.

Anyway comrades, do you know of any colleges or universities around the US that are very leftist, besides Berkeley, or where a communist would fit in very well?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 06:04 PM
Anyway comrades, do you know of any colleges or universities around the US that are very leftist, besides Berkeley, or where a communist would fit in very well?
Why don't you try contacting Students for a Democratic Society? (http://www.studentsforademocraticsociety.org/)

You could also look through the US section of the Political Organisation (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=31615) thread and see if you can contact an organisation in your area who might have links to colleges.

[Rawthentic]

ok sure. Anyway, I have a question about the International Socialist Organization (ISO). Are they a good organization? I want to hear the criticisms

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I remember that RebeldePorLaPaz said something like that many of the members were moving to other states, and therefore the branch was shutting down
Or maybe I read it in some post where the FPM was being discussed

So it wasn't shut down?

No, the delegate of the branch moved to New York, and now belongs to that branch, but the NV branch is still functioning. I'm not sure who told you all of that, but it shouldn't have been discussed with anyone who isn't a member.


Im on their mailing list, and I've been speaking to RebeldePLP about creating a branch in Cali
Regarding the branch, we need some more ppl to join if we are to create branch out here, I've only got about 3

I also mailed a contribution and a membership fee, so I guess I've been in contact

Really? Send me a PM.


Anyway comrades, do you know of any colleges or universities around the US that are very leftist, besides Berkeley, or where a communist would fit in very well?

I thought you asked this before once? Anyway, you shouldn't worry about where a communist would "fit in," but rather where you could get the most accomplished.

UMASS in Amherst is a good place to study Marxian economics.. but the professors are sort of disconnected from reality..

Otherwise, you should go to a community college, where you'll be around the most working class students.


ok sure. Anyway, I have a question about the International Socialist Organization (ISO). Are they a good organization? I want to hear the criticisms

:lol: They're Cliffite centrists, or worse. They have about 1,000 paper members, they supported the anti-immigrant, pro-capitalists Nader in his presidential election campaigns and the pro-capitalist Green Party, and they stand against every legitimate working class revolution and state in history.

They gave up work in the unions and with the working class generally in the 1980's, and instead focused completely on universities.

Some of their members split after the ISO was expelled from the IST, and created a new magazine before finally admitting they weren't actually socialists at all (and giving up the use of the term all together).

[Rawthentic]

OK comrade, thanks for the heads up. Its hard to tells who's who by just looking at their websites, so I'm glad that I know now.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by hastalavictoria+Aug 14 2006, 05:04 PM--> (hastalavictoria @ Aug 14 2006, 05:04 PM)
Comrade Tekun, I live about 5 hrs from you, so I doubt that this will work out.[/b]

Unfortunately I realize that
But maybe we could meet in LA or halfway between Monterrey (beautiful town BTW) and LA, Paso Robles or San Luis Obispo maybe?

If u can, try to recruit ppl for the FPM and then after we've got a good amount of ppl, we'll work on meeting and getting together



Lennie Jusche
Really? Send me a PM.

What about bro?

[Rawthentic]

Im sorry Tekun, but there is no way that I can make a cover up story to meet with a guy in Paso Robles. You understand my situation right? Maybe after high school, which for me is 2 years. How about you?

[Tekun]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 04:07 PM
Im sorry Tekun, but there is no way that I can make a cover up story to meet with a guy in Paso Robles. You understand my situation right? Maybe after high school, which for me is 2 years. How about you?
4th year in college (UCR)

Anyways, try to recruit some ppl for the FPM, maybe we can work something out in the future
Anything to get the message out, u know...

[Honggweilo]

We have come across comrades with the same dificulties as you in our youth movement, and i understand how it is like to be restricted, mocked, and even imprisoned by parents :( (not speaking for myself, i had luck with genuine progressive workclass parents, although not politically active).

The idea for a own P.O box works, you can also try an alternative email and read them in internetcafes.

And for revolutionairy literature you want to read at home, rip off the cover of some old that you won't read anyway (preferably hardcover) and glue the wanted book into it (preferably paperback).

We also have what we call clandestine members, which we only register them "informally" by their psuedonym. They are listed this way so they can participate in almost every activity (excluding a few, like congresses ect.). If those members decide to fully join the organisation when their personal situation permits it, then they are registerd as full members.

The latter is just an suggestion for the FPM

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

ISO - the Only Socialist Organization which refuses to allow its files to be printed for free. :)

Also FPM still hasn't responded to me! :( I'll try emailing them again

my parents were total Anti-Communists, and I personally used to be a Radical-Christian Anti-Communist as well, but luckily by chance I found a way out and become a Communist :)

[Rawthentic]

Yes, comrade, in 2 years I will be willing to start a branch with you, assuming you are still in the struggle and can keep in contact by then. I would also be willing to do it behind my parents back, but right now Im working on getting some comrades on my side.

For ddxt301, my parents dont have a problem with my reading literature and they never see my email anyways, so thats not a problem.

[unema-]

I am in the Socal area and am 17 and am able to meet with someone in the FPM as I am in the process of joining :)
Hasta I am sorry for your troubles, luckily my parents agree with my views and as a plus they live in a completly diff state now :P

Oh yea Tekun, pm me and we can exchange info and u better not be some crazy rapist :D my friends roll with um :rolleyes: questionable items :D talk to you then!

edit: Not a threat btw :) just joking around

[Rawthentic]

Well that doesnt help does it comrade? Maybe we can make a California branch based in the socal area? I can operate here, and can try to garner some support. PM me and we can talk

[Tekun]

Originally posted by unema-@Aug 21 2006, 06:35 AM
I am in the Socal area and am 17 and am able to meet with someone in the FPM as I am in the process of joining :)

Oh yea Tekun, pm me and we can exchange info and u better not be some crazy rapist :D my friends roll with um :rolleyes: questionable items :D talk to you then!

edit: Not a threat btw :) just joking around
Same here, Im in the process of officially joining the FPM
After both our memberships we'll meet to discuss ways we can recruit more ppl
CDL told me that a member of the Rebel Youth (FPM org) lived in Valencia, so maybe we could get together and find ways to advance the movement
When your registration goes through PM me, and then we'll work out the details
Don't forget though!

FYI I'm a canibalistic masochist, so no need to worry :lol:
j/k

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 13 2006, 04:48 PM
NWOG:


Sounds like you live in a prison.

Was this directed at me?
[EDIT]: Oh damn. I had something really witty written, but FoB had to go and ruin it. :P

[unema-]

FYI I'm a canibalistic masochist, so no need to worry
j/k

:lol: ok talk to you then comrade :)

[LoneRed]

maybe two different regional branches can be made if distance is an issue.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Yeah of course.. branches are formed around members in reasonable traveling distance.. otherwise regular meetings would be impossible.

[lithium]

It must be really nasty to live with a family that are staunch capitalists. I see a good bit of it on this forum, and it mostly involves people in the US. I guess I'm lucky in away - I live at home with my parents during the summer and they have no problems with me following Socialism and Communism. Maybe they're Communist too! :blink:

[Rawthentic]

My parents are not staunch capitalists, they are quite leftist. They just disagree that I should join the FPM on the accusation that they are extremist, which I believe is wrong.