Fidel Castro and Che Guevara

[Comrade Hector]

The Great Cuban Revolution was the best thing to happen not only to the Cuban workers and peasants, but to the Cuban-Americans in Miami. When General Fulgencio Batista's US-style "democracy" (dictatorship) was overthrown by Socialist Revolution; thousands of Cuba's elitists, pimps, drug dealers, criminals, crime bosses, and Batista's goons all fled to Miami and to this day call on the US to take military action and overthrow Castro.

But the whole Cuban Revolution has been the Cuban-Americans' best friend. Why? Cubans who come to America are showered with good housing, health care, good jobs, and all America offers its upper-class. In other words, unlike the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, and other Latin-Americans in the USA the Cuban-Americans ARE NOT "SPICS". When immigrants arrive in the USA from Latin America or any Third World US ally, they are simply thrown into the ghettos with shitty housing.

If the Cuban Revolution never happened, or if a pro-American government comes to power in Cuba; Cuban's will find themselves living way below the poverty line (worse if not equal to most pro-US Latin American states). Naturally, they will come to the "Land of the free" seeking a more secure society by the masses only to be denied entry to the USA just as many Mexicans and Latinos are. All the poor Cubans who would lose everything because of the counter-revolution will find themselves deported back to the "Free Cuba". The American right-wing who continues to welcome Cuban "refugees" will then be seen at the port of Miami with signs saying "MIAMI IS AMERICA, NOT CUBA!", "STOP THE CUBAN INVASION!", "TROOPS TO THE GULF!" "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, NOT UNITED STATES OF CUBA!" Last but not least, MINUTEMEN patrol boats armed to the teeth between Cuba and Miami proudly displaying US, Condeferate, and Nazi flags alongside US troops as they kill Cuban immigrants. Remember the behavior of the American right-wing, their opinions change as US policy changes; friends become enemies when they no longer suit Washington.

There you have it, as long as the Cuban Socialist state live where under the Fidel or Raul, or any true successor; Cubans in the USA will not be "SPICS". If a pro-American governments returns to Cuba, future generations of Cuban-Americans will find themselves in the same boat as the typical Latino immigrant.

[Yamashita]

Cubans have a different idiosyncrasy than the rest of the Latin Americans, that is one of the reason's why they aren't in the "ghettos" and so on. But it's true that the US treats Cubans like no other foreigner for that matter, i doubt even a Brit can come to America illegally and get all his papers. But eitherway your just as retarded as can be calling all Cuban-Americans expatriated pimps and criminals, gee i guess that means all Australians must be criminals as well! :rolleyes:

Face it, Cuban Revolution is a failure, go to Cuba and see how people live, sure when you dumb nuts compare it to other countries like Haiti and African countries the people aren't that bad off. But they are repressed politically they have no freedom of expression, there is no medicine in hospitals, people aren't starving, but there isn't adequate food supply, and people can't eat really what they desire. Cubans are treated by their government as 2nd class citizens next to tourists.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 07:46 PM
Cubans have a different idiosyncrasy than the rest of the Latin Americans, that is one of the reason's why they aren't in the "ghettos" and so on. But it's true that the US treats Cubans like no other foreigner for that matter, i doubt even a Brit can come to America illegally and get all his papers. But eitherway your just as retarded as can be calling all Cuban-Americans expatriated pimps and criminals, gee i guess that means all Australians must be criminals as well! :rolleyes:


And you are just as blind as you are stupid. So I guess the Cuban mafia in Miami was just God's gift that he delivered in hopes of a "Free Cuba", right? Idiot, unbelievable! Australians are different. Their ancestors did not leave the UK because those they oppressed rose up, sending all the criminals feeing.


Face it, Cuban Revolution is a failure, go to Cuba and see how people live, sure when you dumb nuts compare it to other countries like Haiti and African countries the people aren't that bad off. But they are repressed politically they have no freedom of expression, there is no medicine in hospitals, people aren't starving, but there isn't adequate food supply, and people can't eat really what they desire. Cubans are treated by their government as 2nd class citizens next to tourists.

You say the Cuban Revolution is only a failure because there is no elitist class sucking up the to West. I've never been to Cuba, but know many who have. Cubans have no wish to live like average people do in most Latin American countries, without food, medicine, education, or any social gains. But I forgot, dumbshits like you will compare any Cuban city or town to Beverly Hills. No medicine in Cuban hospitals? What kind of drug are you on, cub scout? Cubans have a medical system far more superior than that of the USA, infant mortality rate is much lower in Cuba than in the USA. US literacy rate is 95 %, Cuba is 99%. No "Freedom of expression"? Don't you mean allowing US Varela agents as covert action for the CIA, or pro-American Cuban terrorists to maim and kill? Looks, like now you're an expert on Cuba's food. Enlighten us then, tell us whats available to eat in Cuba, and what is not. NOTE: McDonald's and Burger King don't count! No, right-wing idiot has every explained this: If Cubans are so badly treated by the government, why do they still support it? Get your patriotic head out of your patroitic ass, unglue yourself from CNN, and try looking at facts not US propaganda, boy! If capitalism returns to Cuba, you'll see that they'll be reduced to "spics". Want to see starvation? May I suggest looking at Latin America's urban areas? Oh that's right, but they're capitalists, so that doesn't count. Isn't that right, cub scout?

[Abolish Communism]

What is important is that Cubans in Cuba be able to chart their future. The current government, even in post-Fidel era, will probably not let them do this. But that would be the "fair" choice.

Perhaps one day the U.S. and Cuba will have friendly relations. That would be nice. Perhaps it will be next year. You never can tell.

But I urge all people not to travel to Cuba between November and February.

AC

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

What is important is that Cubans in Cuba be able to chart their future. The current government, even in post-Fidel era, will probably not let them do this. But that would be the "fair" choice.

Perhaps one day the U.S. and Cuba will have friendly relations. That would be nice. Perhaps it will be next year. You never can tell.

But I urge all people not to travel to Cuba between November and February.

Cuba is more democratic than the United States and the people are more free than U$ citizens.

What people like you actually mean by political freedom is political parties that are largely funded by the very rich property owners. The "Political" parties are so close together, its really about personality selection. Even that is not done fairly as funding is needed to make your opponent seem like a fool. You essentially lie to people to make them think a candidate is bad. The more money you receive from private sources the more likely you will be to win.

So, any party that is anti-privatization or pro workers will not be funded by the private business. Its all a Sham.

Then to make people believe in "truth, justice and the American way" you have lots of Flag, statues and mountains with faces of dead presidents on them.

Then you have the "free" media owned by private businessmen, and the editors and such are employed or terminated at what positions the editors take on politics.

You wont ever get a communist running a Murdoch paper.

You can also scare people by inventing bullshit wars like the "war on terror" which has killed 200,000 arabs, and there are still terrorist attacks. lol.

The Cuban system is elected and so represents the cuban populace. While not perfect, is a fuck load better than the yankee shite you guys like.

[Abolish Communism]

Cuba is more democratic than the United States and the people are more free than U$ citizens.

:lol:



The Cuban system is elected and so represents the cuban populace. While not perfect, is a fuck load better than the yankee shite you guys like.

Yes. Every year hundreds of thousands nationalize to become Cuban citizens. Everyone in New York is getting on boats and escaping from Queens. Yes, it all makes sense to me now. Thank you for explaining it.


P.S. Regarding your allusion to Mt. Rushmore: Ours is a nation that builds such monuments to those who have died. Cuba, China, and all the other current and former "Marxist" nations do the same, but they celibrate the living tyrants currently running the prison colonies they call countries. I don't recall Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, and Lincoln putting up 90 foot posters of themselves while they were in office. Oh, yeah. And here's another "mystery" for you to ponder: Three of the four left office after a few years. They stepped down. They sat and watched as another took over the job. The fourth guy didn't get to live to see that happen.

[MKS]

Cuba is more democratic than the United States and the people are more free than U$ citizens.

That is just plain false. There are no real elections in Cuba, Castro and the Communist Party rule the small island with an iron fist, suppressing the press and limiting the civil liberties of their citizens. Why do you think so many Cubans have fled the Dictator and his regime? There is very limited freedom in Cuba’s socialist system, the people are completely free however to be trapped in poverty which most of them are. The Revolution had great potential to bring true democracy and liberation to Cuba, but Castro and his Party soon destroyed any hopes for a greater freedom when they embraced Soviet style Communism.


While not perfect, is a fuck load better than the yankee shite you guys like.

Cuban Socialism is a complete failure, even Castro has realized this and began to allow the US dollar to be traded and exchanged in Cuba. As for patriotic propaganda and rhetoric Castro is a master at it. The best example of the "free" Cuban people is when during the World Baseball Classic, a person holding an anti-Castro sign during a Cuban game (being played in Puerto Rico) was harassed by a Cuban government official. Thankfully that official was detained by the Puerto Rican police and lectured on free speech. Here is a link to the John Anderson article that appeared in the New Yorker. (Anderson authored the most comprehensive biography about Ernesto Guevara)

Fidel Article (http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060731fa_fact2)

[Janus]

We just had a discussion on this not too long ago

http://www.newhumanist.com/geiser.html

Cuba has reversed this. In Cuba you cannot buy land, start up private corporations, or hire others to work for you. You are guaranteed a job or unemployment pay, a home, free medical care, and education beyond high school. Even though Cuba is a Third World country with an annual per capita domestic product of about $1700 compared to our $22,000, it does what we cannot do because it distributes the wealth and income it has more rationally. [...]
Cuba has found a way, not without some difficulty, to have an honest and efficient government guaranteed by the close control people exercise over it. At the base of Cuba's democracy are the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution (CDR). They were formed by the Cuban people at President Castro's suggestion after counterrevolutionaries threw four bombs into a huge crowd during a 1960 speech.

Each square block elects its own CDR. I met with such a committee in 1990. All legislative changes which affect all Cubans must be submitted for review by the committees and they have three months to return their comments. One member of the CDR was the secretary who kept records of meetings; another was the treasurer who collected 25 centimos from each family every month for block activities; another person was in charge of security and arranged for two people to walk around the block between 11 p.m. and 1 a.m. to help anyone in trouble and to prevent anyone from causing trouble; another young woman was the district CDR representative.

http://www.cuba-solidarity.org/democracy.htm


All workers, whether members of a union or not, have the right to participate in monthly worker assemblies, discussions and in the shaping of their workplace’s collective bargaining agreement. Union members are active in the development and implementation of policy at the work place. They have a role in the development of the business plan and participate in management meetings. [...]
Electoral candidates are not chosen by small committees of political parties. Indeed, no political party, including the Communist Party, is permitted to nominate or campaign for any given candidates. Instead the candidates are nominated individually by grass-roots organisations and by individual electors. When a person is nominated, no election campaigning is permitted; instead, his or her biography and other personal attributes are posted in public places. The successful candidate is chosen by secret ballot. The Electoral Law of 1992 stipulates that delegates to the municipal and provincial assemblies and the 601 deputies to the National Assembly are all elected by popular suffrage using a secret ballot. The Head of State and the Council of State are elected from among the deputies.

Once elected, a delegate or deputy has to inform electors about his or her work and, as in other countries, can be contacted by people in the constituency.

Unlike the case in other states, which invariably criticize Cuba for being ‘undemocratic’, voter turn-out in Cuba is high. In April 2005, 97.7% of electors came out to vote for their deputies to the municipal assemblies.

[Janus]

Is Cuba Democratic? (http://www.cuba-solidarity.org/democracy.htm)

Cuba’s electoral system (http://www.cubasolidarity.com/aboutcuba/topics/government/0504elecsys.htm)

Democracy for Cubans and Americans (http://www.cubasolidarity.com/aboutcuba/topics/government/050120contrast.htm)



Do you know about Poder Popular (People Power)? the CDRs (Committees in Defense of the Revolution), Cuban Women's Federation, Cuban Workers' Central?

Do you know that the Cuban government (including Fidel) is extremely popular amongst Cubans?

Did you know that "All workers, whether members of a union or not, have the right to participate in monthly worker assemblies, discussions and in the shaping of their workplace’s collective bargaining agreement. Union members are active in the development and implementation of policy at the work place. They have a role in the development of the business plan and participate in management meetings.

"In a broader context, the trades unions and their central organisation, the Cuban Workers’ Central (CTC) are routinely consulted by central government when new laws are being considered. In 1993, during the economic crisis, nearly 3 million workers in every work place, expressed their views in ‘workers’ parliaments.’ Their ideas formed the basis of government policy on taxation, prices and monetary issues. One view expressed was that workers should not have to pay taxes while experiencing severe economic difficulties, although they considered that social security (National Insurance) contributions should continue. This policy was duly adopted by central government.

"In 1995 the unions’ expressed their opposition to sections of the Foreign Investment Law. They objected to the direct hiring of Cuban workers by foreign enterprises as they felt that the workers in question could be disadvantaged by practices of foreign management. Instead they advocated the hiring of labour through a state entity – an employment agency – to ensure full employment rights for workers. This became government policy."

Or that "During the reorganisation of the sugar industry in 2002, nearly one million workers participated in assemblies to express their views about redundancy arrangements relating to pay (they would continue to receive their usual salary), opportunities for retraining or further study and seeking alternative employment." - http://www.cuba-solidarity.org/democracy.htm

98-99% of the people eligible to vote in Cuba do. Only 6-7% of the ballots in the last election were spoiled (spoiling the ballot is a method endorsed by the gusanos in Miami to protest the revolutionary government).



1. How can you have a president who has been elected for 50 consecutive years?


What sort of question is this? If the people keep electing him, then they keep electing him. There are no term limits in Cuba.

Term limits are anti-Democratic anyway. It effectively tells people they can't elect who they want to elect, if they've already served a certain amount of years. It takes away the right of people to choose who will represent them best.

Fidel is elected to the National Assembly of People Power as a representative from Santiago, and from there he has been consistantly elected as president. He (and everyone else in the Cuban government) is subject to popular recall at any time. By law, he has to report to a mass meeting of his electors every six months.

When's the last time Bush reported to a mass meeting of his electors? How many terms did Roosevelt serve as president of the U.S.? Four?? How many more would he have served if he didn't die (and the term limits weren't imposed)?



2. Do the delegates or People's power presidents or whatever they're called hold any power in decision making?


Yes of course. That's what they do, make decisions based on the will of the people they represent. They hold meetings with the people they represent on a regular basis to discuss issues and make decisions. If you read the article (and the others in that issue), you should've learned that.



oh and a bonus question, if it's so free why aren't cubans free to leave the country?


Cubans can leave.. want me to point you in the direction of a friend of mine, who is a Cuban citizen, that works at UMASS in Massachusettes?

Of course, they need to get a visa from the country they want to go to; and imperialist countries don't offer that many.. not that many Cubans apply for the visas the Latin American countries offer, cause people that leave Cuba usually do so for economic reasons (just like Dominicans, Haitians, Mexicans, etc. do), not for political reasons..

You can't just jump on a fucking raft and roll out. You need to go through the proper processes. This is neccessary to maintain human capital while under the vicious blockade from the states. Cuba is a planned economy in which everyone works for the good of all. Things can't just be disrupted. You have to remember the whole history of what's happened. After the revolution, the U.S. drew in a majority of the doctors, and other trained professions from Cuba through bribes and propanganda (Cuba will send your kids to the USSR!!).. A new group of Cubans was trained in their place.. they were more, and they were better.. they had a socialist outlook.. tens of thousands of Cubans doctors, teachers, and soldiers have gone to dozens of countries all around the world, and only a hand full have defected. There are Cuban citizens in the US now.

There's also the constant bombarment of propaganda from the radio and TV being broadcasted by the U.S. try to make Cubans think the U.S. is the freest, greatest, country on earth, where everyone get's rich. Still, by percentage, few Cubans leave Cuba.. legally or illegally.

[Abolish Communism]

When's the last time Bush reported to a mass meeting of his electors?


Who cares. They meet to elect him (from an electoral college point of view), then they're done. What would he tell them? They hold no sway over him. Stop demonstrating your ignorrance of our system.


[/QUOTE]How many terms did Roosevelt serve as president of the U.S.? Four?? How many more would he have served if he didn't die (and the term limits weren't imposed)?
[QUOTE]

Roosevelt is the only U.S. Presdient who didn't voluntarily choose only two terms. Everyone else left on their own, and chose not to run again (though T. Roosevelt has a weird history in this regard) Roosevelt died a month after beginning his fourth term, so he really served 12 years.

Your defense of Castro and pretense that he is not a dictator is laughable. All of what you wrote was bullshit. You were raised on a diet of horse manure.

[Janus]

They hold no sway over him
And you don't see that as a problem?


Roosevelt is the only U.S. Presdient who didn't voluntarily choose only two terms. Everyone else left on their own, and chose not to run again (though T. Roosevelt has a weird history in this regard) Roosevelt died a month after beginning his fourth term, so he really served 12 years.
Your point is?

[Janus]

All of what you wrote was bullshit. You were raised on a diet of horse manure.
Perhaps you should read before you flame someone?

[Abolish Communism]

Janus:

It is the practice of this forum to burn cappies with warning points, even though they do the exact same things that the commies here do, who receive no "punishment".

Commies call what I write bullshit, and you Mods don't call it flaming. I know the playing field is uneven, but as all of your heros have been playing on uneven fields throughout their short commie careers, it doens't matter to me.

[Janus]

even though they do the exact same things that the commies here do, who receive no "punishment".
Calling someone's post bs is not exactly flaming but saying that someone was raised on horse manure is.

If you don't actually address my post then you're just spamming.

[Abolish Communism]

Calling someone's post bs is not exactly flaming but saying that someone was raised on horse manure is.

Fair enough. I appologize.


Re: Your being poorly informed on my government and the unimportance of the Electoral College once the election is over, read our Constitution, Article I. Our electors are not the President's "boss". It's just how we do it (from 1787 in fact.)

Seek wisdom in Mt. Rushmore.

AC

[Yamashita]

And you are just as blind as you are stupid. So I guess the Cuban mafia in Miami was just God's gift that he delivered in hopes of a "Free Cuba", right? Idiot, unbelievable! Australians are different. Their ancestors did not leave the UK because those they oppressed rose up, sending all the criminals feeing

The Cuban mafia omg, wtf! dude Your living in a dream world, that's what Fidel says, thats what he calls the Cuban community in Miami and abroad, your just as pathetic as he is! THE CUBAN MAFIA :lol: What mafia you idiot? Ahh yes i must be blind and not see it :rolleyes: Australians are different? How? Do you have any recolection of history? Castro emptied his jail cells with the Mariel boatlift, you think he is retarded like you? NO! Plus what criminals? Just because someone owned a piece of land or some store in Cuba during the revolution and then it was taken away and he fled to Miami from the chaotic moronic revolution, he should be considered a criminal? :huh: Please do us a favor and dig yourself a 6 feet hole!



You say the Cuban Revolution is only a failure because there is no elitist class sucking up the to West. I've never been to Cuba, but know many who have. Cubans have no wish to live like average people do in most Latin American countries, without food, medicine, education, or any social gains. But I forgot, dumbshits like you will compare any Cuban city or town to Beverly Hills. No medicine in Cuban hospitals? What kind of drug are you on, cub scout? Cubans have a medical system far more superior than that of the USA, infant mortality rate is much lower in Cuba than in the USA. US literacy rate is 95 %, Cuba is 99%.

Wow, i really do feel sorry for you man, it's almost sad such ignorance.

Buddy, Cubans don't even have aspiring to treat a damn headache!! They need their families abroad to send it to them. They have a medical system far superior to ours? Is that the fact that they go check themselves with 1970's medical equipment, but since it's free its better than our system! :lol: US literacy rate is 95% while Cuba's is 99%, you must really dig a big hole now for yourself!! Where did you get this statistic? I dont want to make you look bad, but i had to do it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...y_literacy_rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate)



No "Freedom of expression"? Don't you mean allowing US Varela agents as covert action for the CIA, or pro-American Cuban terrorists to maim and kill? Looks, like now you're an expert on Cuba's food. Enlighten us then, tell us whats available to eat in Cuba, and what is not. NOTE: McDonald's and Burger King don't count! No, right-wing idiot has every explained this: If Cubans are so badly treated by the government, why do they still support it? Get your patriotic head out of your patroitic ass, unglue yourself from CNN, and try looking at facts not US propaganda, boy! If capitalism returns to Cuba, you'll see that they'll be reduced to "spics". Want to see starvation? May I suggest looking at Latin America's urban areas? Oh that's right, but they're capitalists, so that doesn't count. Isn't that right, cub scout?

Jesus where do you live man? I could bet my left nut your out hiding in some secret bunker in North Korea or something, being brainwashed by Kim himself. Anyways, Varela agents as cover CIA, prove that! don't just say such rubbish! As if there isn't Cuban agents here , and when they are caught the Cuban government demands the return of their "heroes" :lol:

What's available to eat in Cuba? Ohh right about everything, if you have US dollars or "chavitos" as they call the cuban currency that is exchanged for the dollar. Of course no Cuban gets paid in "chavitos", therefore they can't go and buy good quality food in the "shoppings" as they call them, unlike you moron i have Cuban friends who tell me all about it. These "shoppings", are absolutley non-Cuban pesos. Of course, those who have families here in America or abroad that can get US dollars go and spend it in the "shoppings" while the other poor bastards who are TRUE revolutionaries keep eating the crap food given by the cooperatives when it's their turn to get any.

Ohh yes, there is no McDonald's or BK in Cuba, WOW , Castro has done such a good job at eliminating imperialist enterprises in Cuba! :lol: Ohh man your really funny.

You actually believe Cubans support the government do you! That is one of the most pathetic things iv ever heard in my life. Is that the 99% approval rate, haha not even Roosevelt during WW2 had that. First of all, do you call support when there is an opposition rally and then undercover agents dressed in civilian clothes kick their asses and thus making it look like the "civilian" population doesn't like opposition? You really need to open your eyes really big and get out of your bunker wherever your at. I never watch CNN by the way, and propaganda? Wow, i can cleary see it's done wonders on you comrade!

[Janus]

First of all, I took that stuff from a thread on RL, it was not written by me.

The electors refers to the people who voted for Bush, not just the electoral college.

[Abolish Communism]

There are about 540 electors who meet every four years. Technically, they are the people who vote for Presdient. Our founders, in 1787, didn't "trust" that people would vote for the wisest candidate, so they put in place this, perhaps anachronistic, safeguard.

After they meet to elect the presdient, they go home to various places througout America, and get on with their lives.

The President never reports to them, etc.

And, yes: In the U.S.A. the term "electors" ONLY means the members of the Electoral College.

[MKS]

Term limits are not anti-democratic, they help ensure a succession and guarantee that dictatorships will not grow. One of the key issues in the Mexican Revolution was term limits, the presidents that did not respect the term limit (1 4yr term I think) and tried to be re-elected were subject to removal by force. Just imagine if George Bush could run for president again and possibly win, the great thing about term limits is that we know that any bad leadership will be replaced (hopefully by better leadership) in possibly 4 years, and definitely in 8 years.

Castro has remained in power through un-democratic means, and his refusal to step aside is a clear example of a totalitarian leadership.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by Abolish [email protected] 11 2006, 09:06 PM
What is important is that Cubans in Cuba be able to chart their future. The current government, even in post-Fidel era, will probably not let them do this. But that would be the "fair" choice.

Perhaps one day the U.S. and Cuba will have friendly relations. That would be nice. Perhaps it will be next year. You never can tell.

But I urge all people not to travel to Cuba between November and February.

AC
Another cappie with his head up his Bush loving ass! And you think the USA will let Cubans chart their own future? If you think that, you've got another thing coming! In fact before Fidel's surgery, the US said it will continue its reactionary embargo and pressure against Cuba until "free and democratic elections are held" and "both Castro brothers are out of power". From this its is crystal clear that America wants "free elections" in Cuba so they can covertly manipulate it for the Varela cockroaches. Also it means if they have elections, and Fidel and Raul are elected, they'll still threaten Cuba. If this is freedom, then my ass sings "America The Beautiful".

As I orginally posted, if Cuba becomes a US stooge like in the Batista dictatorship, poverty and starvation become a reality, you'll see Cubans will be reduced to the same levels are other Latino immigrants are. Then we'll be seeing you with all the other republicans demanding troops and minutemen between Cuba and Miami.

Lastly, you're in no position to urge anyone against traveling to Cuba. But its the good American way, right?

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 10:45 PM
The Cuban mafia omg, wtf! dude Your living in a dream world, that's what Fidel says, thats what he calls the Cuban community in Miami and abroad, your just as pathetic as he is! THE CUBAN MAFIA What mafia you idiot? Ahh yes i must be blind and not see it Australians are different? How? Do you have any recolection of history? Castro emptied his jail cells with the Mariel boatlift, you think he is retarded like you? NO! Plus what criminals? Just because someone owned a piece of land or some store in Cuba during the revolution and then it was taken away and he fled to Miami from the chaotic moronic revolution, he should be considered a criminal? Please do us a favor and dig yourself a 6 feet hole!

What mafia? Who do you think created groups like Alpha 66, Omega 7, and Brothers To the Rescue? Who runs the Miami casinos, prostitution, and drug dealings? Its the Cuban mafia. So now you're telling me the Cuban mafia never existed? Stupid conservative idiot! I've already explained why Australians are different, whats the matter can't read properly? Yes, you're right Castro did empty the jail cells, most of whom were Batista generals, drug lords, pimps, and crime bosses. So because they were defeated by the Revolution, I guess that excuses their crimes, right? And you call me retarded? You do us a favor and castrate yourself! I'd hate for any place to be contaminated by conservative brainwashed turds like you!


Wow, i really do feel sorry for you man, it's almost sad such ignorance.

Buddy, Cubans don't even have aspiring to treat a damn headache!! They need their families abroad to send it to them. They have a medical system far superior to ours? Is that the fact that they go check themselves with 1970's medical equipment, but since it's free its better than our system! :lol: US literacy rate is 95% while Cuba's is 99%, you must really dig a big hole now for yourself!! Where did you get this statistic? I dont want to make you look bad, but i had to do it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...y_literacy_rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate)

Well, I appreciate that, but its totally unnecessary. Again, another blunt accusation without support. I think it is I who should feel sorry for you. I doubt doubt that there are medicine shortages in Cuba which you can thank the damn US economic embargo for that! I think a tiny nation which has a lower infant mortality rate than the USA, are the sole producer of the vaccine that fights bacteria causing meningitis B, developed the treatment for Vitiligo which was thought to be untreatable, and are trying to find a cure for AIDS to name few. Whereas the USA is only trying to find new ways for people to live with AIDS and other uncurable diseases. So there you have it! As for Cuba's literacy rate, check freethefive.org Wikipedia is mostly written by morons who know dick about history. I saw Libya, Syria, Iraq, and other anti-West capitalists listed as Communists. Don't apologize, you don't make me look bad. Like all conservatives I've debated with, you make me look great. I'm sorry you make yourself look bad. You'd die for America, right? Please do us a favor and demonstrate! I'll let you know if Cuba finds a cure for Americus Convervativitis, :lol:


Jesus where do you live man? I could bet my left nut your out hiding in some secret bunker in North Korea or something, being brainwashed by Kim himself. Anyways, Varela agents as cover CIA, prove that! don't just say such rubbish! As if there isn't Cuban agents here , and when they are caught the Cuban government demands the return of their "heroes" :lol:

Bet it if you have any of it. Varela Project is a Solidarnosc wannabe group, but fortunately have no real popularity among Cubans. American interests section chief James Cason in Havana openly admitted that Cuba's dissidents were funded from a surrogate CIA front called the "National Endowment for 'Democracy'" which masquerades as an NGO (not that it makes much difference if they really were) during the crackdown a few years ago. Logically speaking, any group from a US enemy in this case a Socialist country, which advoacted and fights for a US style system will always receive covert US aid. What other "Cuban agents" do you know of besides the 5 that monitered the mafia-CIA funded Miami terrorists? My guess is none!




What's available to eat in Cuba? Ohh right about everything, if you have US dollars or "chavitos" as they call the cuban currency that is exchanged for the dollar. Of course no Cuban gets paid in "chavitos", therefore they can't go and buy good quality food in the "shoppings" as they call them, unlike you moron i have Cuban friends who tell me all about it. These "shoppings", are absolutley non-Cuban pesos. Of course, those who have families here in America or abroad that can get US dollars go and spend it in the "shoppings" while the other poor bastards who are TRUE revolutionaries keep eating the crap food given by the cooperatives when it's their turn to get any.

You're little Cuban Miami cub scout friends don't mean shit to me as any source of information. I was in Europe a few years ago, and I met many Cubans living in Germany and Spain. They own stores, and cafes which sells food and drink from Cuba as well as flags, literature, and other poducts of Cuban history (particularly the Revolution and their resistance to US colonialism). I'll save you the trouble of asking why they left Cuba. Due to the fact the Fidel Castro has allowed foreigners to study in Cuba, Cubans tend to socialize with them, and one thing leads to another. Some of them even live 6 months out of the year in Cuba with their European spouses. Define this "crap food" as you put it! Have you been to Cuba? My guess is no! When you go there and see this "crap food", you may tell me all about it.


Ohh yes, there is no McDonald's or BK in Cuba, WOW , Castro has done such a good job at eliminating imperialist enterprises in Cuba! :lol: Ohh man your really funny.

I can't believe you didn't get that, fucking moron! I meant clearly, an argument because Cubans don't have American fast food chains, will be unacceptable. Do I have to draw a picture for you?


You actually believe Cubans support the government do you! That is one of the most pathetic things iv ever heard in my life. Is that the 99% approval rate, haha not even Roosevelt during WW2 had that. First of all, do you call support when there is an opposition rally and then undercover agents dressed in civilian clothes kick their asses and thus making it look like the "civilian" population doesn't like opposition? You really need to open your eyes really big and get out of your bunker wherever your at. I never watch CNN by the way, and propaganda? Wow, i can cleary see it's done wonders on you comrade!

Logically speaking with the US 90 miles away, the Soviet Union and the people's democracy of Europe gone, China and Vietnam sucking up to US corporations, Kim Jong-Il jeopardizing North Korea's Nuclear program, if they really wanted an end to Fidel Castro it would've happened a long time ago. Anti-Castro rallies in Cuba? Name one! Have you actually seen these rallies being broken up by under cover agents? Again, Cuban dissidents have no real popularity among the Cuban people. There is no way for them to go forth with an effective popular rally. I wouldn't think Roosevelt would ever have had that kind of popularity, especially after the way he denied America's fighting men their funds. I've been out before which is why I think the way I do. You don't honestly believe an American whose never been out of the USA can possibly think for himself. And what I can clearly see is repeating crap told to you by the television. I don't give a rats ass whether its CNN or Foxnews. Furthermore, you and every other con posting on this thread have failed to prove my topic wrong. So I ask you, can you promise me that Cuban immigrants will not be treated like other Latino immigrants if Cuba returns to a capitalist government? You're more full of shit than a manure plant, so I shouldn't even bother.