Anti-breeding

[homeo_apathy]

hi im new on this site and i was just wondering how other people feel about anti-breeding.

i think that we are destroying the environment and the world, due to the quantity of people. especially those of us in greedy western society

anyone more experienced have something to say on the matter??

[Janus]

hi im new on this site and i was just wondering how other people feel about anti-breeding.
Not very progressive and very difficult to implement.


i think that we are destroying the environment and the world, due to the quantity of people. especially those of us in greedy western society
That has more to do with our ecological footprints rather than our population. The population growth rate in a lot of developed nations is either very low, zero, or decreasing.

As for environmental problems, there are ways to combat them without resorting to stopping people from breeding.

[rouchambeau]

The problem isn't necissarily population. It's more about lifestyle and how we use the resources of the earth. I'm sure that the amount of pollution and destruction of the envioronment in western societies is greater than the total amount by all non-western societies.

[Sadena Meti]

The problem is very much population and lifestyle (footprint). I actually had an article on this... (digs around desk).

Found it. OK, maximum sustainable global population at various lifestyle (footprint) levels:

United States - 1.48 billion
Slightly Below Canada - 1.85 Billion
Slightly Below Europe - 2.96 Billion
South Korea - 4.11 Billion
Ethiopia - 9.25 Billion
India - 18.40 Billion


So what this means is if we want everyone in the world to have the same level of lifestyle, and we compare that lifestyle with the average lifestyle of the examples above, we get the maximum sustainable global population at current efficiency rates.

Now, if society were organized more efficiently, namely in the three following ways: 1. equal population distribution (abolish large cities) 2. all activity based on necessity and usefulness, not profit (socialism/communism) 3. sustainable energy and food sources (hot fusion and myco-protein) this would increase the efficiency by at most 50% (and that's a stretch).


So what does this mean? If we want to build a utopia of equality and efficiency, and give everyone, say, the average European level of living, the highest sustainable global population would be... 4.5 billion.

We are already at 6.5 billion, and will be at 9 billion by 2040-2050. And there's no way we could have a global social revolution before then. Which means under the current system, for that to be sustainable, the average human lifestyle would be that of Ethiopia. When you consider how much the 1st world is above that, realize how much the third world will be below that.

So, an impossible revolution occurs and the world pulls its head out of its ass by 2050. We would then have double the sustainable population. DOUBLE (for the European model). Even with other levels of living, with 9 billion people the best you could offer them is a lifestyle halfway between those of South Korea and Ethiopia.


The population has to be brought under control. In fact, it already needs to be rolled back. Sounds brutal, but I'm in favor of a global 1 child policy for a solid 100 years. Carpet bomb the planet with condoms, and end the social pressure to procreate. When all mankind realizes we are all one family, there won't be the need to build your own.


This is a finite planet. If we want a future for the human race, we have to be sustainable, and we have to achieve a balanced population.

[Janus]

The problem is very much population
The population growth rate is zero or negative for a lot of the industrialized countries. The US's population is only growing because of immigration.

In developing countries, the population may pose local problems but not global ones as their ecological footprints are many times smaller than developed nation's. Providing them with family planning and condoms wouldn't be a bad idea since those things are pretty much banned in some of the nations but the main problem right now is our consumption of resources.