Troops 'took turns' to rape Iraqi

[Janus]

A US military court has heard testimony of how three soldiers took it in turns to hold down and try to rape an Iraqi girl aged 14 in Mahmudiya in March.

Supposedly, they were drunk when they did this and simply decided that they wanted to kill an Iraqi family.

These war crime are absolutely sick and disgusting!

Troops 'took turns' to rape Iraqi (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5253160.stm)

[Xvall]

Troops 'took turns' to rape Iraqi

Charred and blood-spattered wall inside family home where attack occurred
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The case is the latest in a series of scandals for the US army
A US military hearing has examined testimony of how three soldiers took it in turns to try to rape an Iraqi girl aged 14 in Mahmudiya in March.

The girl and three family members were allegedly killed by four US soldiers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5253160.stm

[Delta]

The last thing I would ever do is "support our troops"

[Solitary Mind]

i hope they all get their testicals cut off and bleed to death....

[Delta]

Originally posted by Solitary [email protected] 8 2006, 09:46 PM
i hope they all get their testicals cut off and bleed to death....
Nah, they'll probably just go into politics.

[Janus]

Merged

[Janus]

In previous crimes before, such as in Vietnam, it was the officers who were indirectly responsible but got off lightly. In this case however, this sick act was perpetuated by these enlisted men alone.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Delta+Aug 9 2006, 04:50 AM--> (Delta @ Aug 9 2006, 04:50 AM)
Solitary [email protected] 8 2006, 09:46 PM
i hope they all get their testicals cut off and bleed to death....
Nah, they'll probably just go into politics. [/b]
:lol:

That's funny.

Chances of a Republican standing on a "Let's Rape More Iraqis" ticket in 2008?

The reason we lost in Vietnam was because we didn't deflower enough of their youngsters.

[Kamraten]

thats disgusting. dident Che say "For it is the very essence of imperialism to turn men into wild , bloodthirsty animals determinded to slaughter, kill murder and destroy.
And ofcourse they are responsible for their disgusting action but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy.

[overthrowthebeast726]

That's sick! Fucking bastards...

[TC]

Have you heard what these soldiers defense strategy is?

They're claiming that, they should be let free, since they only raped and massacred and iraqi family because they were under a great deal of stress...like, what kindof institution must the US army be if defense lawyers think that they'll accept that raping a 14 year old kid is an acceptable form of 'stress relief':

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4775263.stm

[Tekun]

Apalling in every sense of the word

Supposedly, the main perpetrator Steven Green was according to some media outlets "a deeply disturbed young man" who slipped into the army during the recruiting frenzy following 9/11 :rolleyes:

The thing is, this isn't the first time allegations of this type have been made against the US military

So I think its fair to say that this isn't an isolated incident, but rather an incident that displays a trend in the American military's behavior in Iraq and possibly even in Afghanistan

Who knows how many more of these incidents have occurred, yet haven't been made public

[Janus]

So far I haven't heard claims of being let free. The soldiers explained that they began drinking and using painkillers due to stress which finally caused them to committ this horrendous act.

They can only hope to avoid a death penalty with that defense.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

You know.

I always say to people how violent and awful soldiers are to native people. And people always say "oh professional soldiers don't act like that".

Then shit like this happens, people will be appalled, but they will forget in a week or so.

Imperialist troops have NO rights whatsoever. Firing Squad is right for their crime.

[Soviet sindorin]

Hold up, Hold up. I don't condone what the fuckers did in the slightest. They should be taken out and shot. But don't hold the entire military responsible, considering thats hardly represenative of all of them.


Just adding my two cents in.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Soviet [email protected] 10 2006, 03:48 AM
Hold up, Hold up. I don't condone what the fuckers did in the slightest. They should be taken out and shot. But don't hold the entire military responsible, considering thats hardly represenative of all of them.


Just adding my two cents in.
Well, time and time again, history has shown that this sort of thing isn't the isolated actions of a few "bad apples," but rather the direct out growth of imperialism. It flows from the very essence of the imperialist system.

From the My Lai massacre, to Abu Ghraib, to Haditha, to the fucking "Marine's New Hymn," to this, these are not just "isolated incidents" that the imperialists and their sympathizers keep claiming.

[Rawthentic]

I wish we could bring the war home in the form of a revolution. Maybe those military officers would like it if their untouchable stay-at-home wives got raped by Iraqis and then killed half the people on their nice little neighborhoods.

[kingbee]

Hold up, Hold up. I don't condone what the fuckers did in the slightest. They should be taken out and shot. But don't hold the entire military responsible, considering thats hardly represenative of all of them.


Just adding my two cents in.

I couldn't agree more. I go on right wing message boards, and they do exactly the same except with the French, or Muslims or whatever. It's very hyppocritical.


Well, time and time again, history has shown that this sort of thing isn't the isolated actions of a few "bad apples," but rather the direct out growth of imperialism. It flows from the very essence of the imperialist system.

From the My Lai massacre, to Abu Ghraib, to Haditha, to the fucking "Marine's New Hymn," to this, these are not just "isolated incidents" that the imperialists and their sympathizers keep claiming.

True, but that is no excuse to lump all soldiers in with eachother! (not that I'm accusing you of doing so personally)

[Janus]

The fact that people like this are even in the military is the fault of the armed forces itself.

Sure, alcohol and stress added to their conditioning but it was stated in the report that the main perpetuator had a personality/social problem.

[Soviet sindorin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 04:37 AM
I wish we could bring the war home in the form of a revolution. Maybe those military officers would like it if their untouchable stay-at-home wives got raped by Iraqis and then killed half the people on their nice little neighborhoods.
Thats uncalled for. How would like it if I raped your sister because I was stressed. Show some respect. Regardless of wether you like it or not, the military, not those soldiers, are protecting my right to hate them, and the system they represent. I owe them that at least.

[Quills]

Originally posted by Soviet [email protected] 10 2006, 03:48 AM
Hold up, Hold up. I don't condone what the fuckers did in the slightest. They should be taken out and shot. But don't hold the entire military responsible, considering thats hardly represenative of all of them.


Just adding my two cents in.
Every single US soldier may not have raped that girl, but all of them did sign up to kill people in pursuit of American imperialism. That's hardly better and they don't deserve defending.

Like the saying goes, 'I'll support the troops when they join the revolution', till then there's nothing positive to say about them.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by Soviet [email protected] 10 2006, 09:06 PM
Regardless of wether you like it or not, the military, not those soldiers, are protecting my right to hate them, and the system they represent. I owe them that at least.
You are sorely mistaken if u think the military is fighting for your rights :lol:
How is pillaging oil and imposing their rule in the middle east protecting your civil rights? (Maybe driving an SUV is your idea of rights?)
If those soldiers were within the US protecting against attacks from the outside, I would too a certain degree agree with your statement
But as far as I am concerned, the imperialism that is being perpetuated by America is not benefiting anyone but the wealthy and powerful, which u are obviously not a part of
Iraqi's in no way threatened you sovereingty or freedom to hate "them and the system," so Im at a loss for words why u would think otherwise
No person in their right mind who values humanity would owe these state hired killers anything

Typical from the reactionary CPUSA :rolleyes:

[Soviet sindorin]

You are sorely mistaken if u think the military is fighting for your rights
How is pillaging oil and imposing their rule in the middle east protecting your civil rights? (Maybe driving an SUV is your idea of rights?)

I drive a Honda Civic thatgets 38 MPG. Thanks for asking. And I never said the Iraq war, and you never stated that your hatred of the troops existed solely for those in Iraq. I hate the war. Its wrong and immoral, but I support the general well being of the Troops.



If those soldiers were within the US protecting against attacks from the outside, I would too a certain degree agree with your statement
But as far as I am concerned, the imperialism that is being perpetuated by America is not benefiting anyone but the wealthy and powerful, which u are obviously not a part of

Your right. I am a proud member of the working class and I don't get paid much. But thats not the point. The point is that we've established that the war is bad, but I support the General Well being of the American Soldiers, as human beings. Not the ones that rape Iraqis, but the ones that are duped into believing that they are really there for the Iraqis.



Iraqi's in no way threatened you sovereingty or freedom to hate "them and the system," so Im at a loss for words why u would think otherwise
No person in their right mind who values humanity would owe these state hired killers anything

So, state hired killers won two world wars? State Hired Killers threw the fascists from Stalingrad? I never said I expressed hate towards anyone but the raping soldiers sir. I would expect more logical posts, and a little more punctuation if you're going to debate with me.



Typical from the reactionary CPUSA

Karl Marx said no other working class movment should be created in opposition to another. I'm a communist, just like you. And just like you, I deserve respect. So shut the fuck up fat man.

[Dominicana_1965]

I wish that these fucking idiots saying "Support our troops" would see the truth and the real "terrorist" and enemy.

I bet they didn't show this on the News right?

Fuckin Rupert Murdoch.

[Janus]

I bet they didn't show this on the News right?
Yeah, it's on the news. It is a pretty sensational event.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by Soviet sindorin+Aug 10 2006, 05:06 PM--> (Soviet sindorin @ Aug 10 2006, 05:06 PM)
[email protected] 10 2006, 04:37 AM
I wish we could bring the war home in the form of a revolution. Maybe those military officers would like it if their untouchable stay-at-home wives got raped by Iraqis and then killed half the people on their nice little neighborhoods.
Thats uncalled for. How would like it if I raped your sister because I was stressed. Show some respect. Regardless of wether you like it or not, the military, not those soldiers, are protecting my right to hate them, and the system they represent. I owe them that at least. [/b]
What a line of horse-shit.

I will never respect these fucking animals. They volunteer to go into the military and go fight and kill an indigenous people for what? Your rights? Give me a fucking break. What rights were Afghani's or Iraqi's trying to take from you? You've lost more rights since this shit started than you'll ever be given by these fucked up half-wits.

[Soviet sindorin]

Well, all I have to say is that when a foreign power invades the US, you come tell me you hate the military, with all logic, and all seriousness. Not just the typical 14-Year Old Armchair Commie attitude.

Just because your a communist, doesn't mean you cannot afford common sense.

[Sabocat]

Well it seems to me the peasant/farmer civilian militias did a pretty decent job of getting rid of the English occupiers in the U.S.. There's no reason to believe that if the U.S. were to be invaded that a popular resistance militia couldn't do the same.

The military has proven time and time again to be an enemy of the working class. How many times has the military fired on striking workers, students, people of color? I said it once and I'll say it again. Fuck the military and police.

A standing governmental army and the paramilitary police forces are tools of the ruling class. No real communist would debate this (just realized that you had the CPUSA banner for an avatar...enough said) and I haven't been 14 for 31 years.

[( R )evolution]

I have family in Iraq and this is sicking, they tell me stories of American troops that would make you sick. They go into my familys shops and they take all of the money and break the windows they kill people in the street. They are a tool of the ruling cass and in no fucking way protect your rights. Fuck the military they slaughter and kill native people, fuck the terroirst but when US soliders come into my fucking village and shoot a man in a fucking wheel chair and throw a AK by him, that is fukcing sicking. And you may think "oh this is just a isolated incident" fuck that shit, this happens on a daily basis you just dont hear about it on your fucking Fox news, if I were you I would stfu and get some real facts in your head not just the ones that the western media spits at you.

[DurgleTheTurtle]

Originally posted by Machiavelli [email protected] 12 2006, 08:55 PM
I have family in Iraq and this is sicking, they tell me stories of American troops that would make you sick. They go into my familys shops and they take all of the money and break the windows they kill people in the street. They are a tool of the ruling cass and in no fucking way protect your rights. Fuck the military they slaughter and kill native people, fuck the terroirst but when US soliders come into my fucking village and shoot a man in a fucking wheel chair and throw a AK by him, that is fukcing sicking. And you may think "oh this is just a isolated incident" fuck that shit, this happens on a daily basis you just dont hear about it on your fucking Fox news, if I were you I would stfu and get some real facts in your head not just the ones that the western media spits at you.
Where does ur family live in Iraq? My family lives in Baghdad and tell me what is really happening in Iraq.
If i was in Iraq and my family and neighbours by the US I would probably join a resistance group and its anoyying that seing people call these people protecting my country "terrorists" because they are not terrorist since they are protecting their country

[YSR]

This is shitty. These soldiers are scum.

[USMC Sniper]

You Leftist are an interesting group. You hate the military that guarantees your freedom and your right to write the vile, untrue, almost comical crap you preach. If these solders are guilty of rape then they should be punished, severely. What you knuckleheads fail to take into account is the fact there are approx 130,000 troops in Iraq as I write this. Pick any city anywhere in the world that has that kind of population and take a look at their crime stats. The US military in Iraq, even under the stress of being killed, has a lower crime rate than any city anywhere in the world. Are there incidents of troops committing criminal acts? absolutely, and they should be dealt with. The perfection that you leftist seem to demand is one of the obvious faults with your arguments. People are not perfect, mistakes will be made, the fact you can only point to a few (although terrible) instances of American troops acting in a criminal nature speaks volumes to the professionalism of the American military as a whole.

I could go on and on pointing out how stupid your arguments are on a variety of subjects; but one that always makes me laugh is when you idiots claims the US is imperialistic. Have none of you noticed that after the US comes into a country, usually to rebuild it after war (something none of the countries you guys like so much do they are too busy committing atrocities on a level that dwarfs anything the US military has ever done.....oh wait sorry, this is the I hate America forum) any way back to the point.......we leave the country after we help rebuild it !!!! Have any of you heard about Japan or Germany during WW2, yes we also fought an insurgency in Germany made up of SS (A group of guys you probably admire) for years after Germany surrendered.

If it were not for the US military none of you would be sitting at your computer screen seething at the words I write. You would be in a Japanese forced labor camp or perhaps the victim of a Nazi medical experiment......if not that,, you certainly would not enjoy the freedom you do now.

Go find a soldier or Marine and thank him for putting his or her life on the line so you can smoke dope, burn flags, hate America and enjoy your freedom of speech.

[( R )evolution]

Do you think that raping a girl is protecting my right? Do you think that going into my country and killing innocent civilans are protecing my rights? NO! The US goes into my country so they can re-bulid so that Iraq or any country so that the countrys economy must reley on America. Look at Saudi Arabia we made a deal with them I think i twas called oil dollars or something to that affect which stated that American companys would go into Saudi Arabia and bulid up its infastcure esseitnally making the countrys ecnomny completely ineffective if they didnt paricape with America and now look at Saudi Arabia the goverment is a dog for the americans. By invading my country burning towns, bombing innocent civilans is in no way protecting my rights or any one elses rights.

[USMC Sniper]

Originally posted by Machiavelli [email protected] 13 2006, 02:16 AM
Do you think that raping a girl is protecting my right? Do you think that going into my country and killing innocent civilans are protecing my rights? NO! The US goes into my country so they can re-bulid so that Iraq or any country so that the countrys economy must reley on America. Look at Saudi Arabia we made a deal with them I think i twas called oil dollars or something to that affect which stated that American companys would go into Saudi Arabia and bulid up its infastcure esseitnally making the countrys ecnomny completely ineffective if they didnt paricape with America and now look at Saudi Arabia the goverment is a dog for the americans. By invading my country burning towns, bombing innocent civilans is in no way protecting my rights or any one elses rights.
Are all you leftist that stupid, or can you just not read. I SPECIFICALLY SAID, IF THE SOLDERS ARE GUILTY THEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED, SEVERELY !!!!! Stop ranting and please respond to my SPECIFIC arguments. Recognize and acknowledge the fact I understand there is a small section of the US military that are bad apples (like any group of humans)

I hate the fact any innocent civilians get killed, far more than you do. I have been to war and it is an ugly, although sometimes a necessary undertaking.

Saudi Arabia is a dog for the US, are you really that stupid ?? Do you mean how Saudi Arabia supports our Middle East policies (oh wait) or how 19 of the 21 high jackers on 9-11 were Saudi (oh wait that was a CIA plot) or never really happened. You must mean how Saudi Arabia supports Israel (our only true friend in the middle east.....and they have no oil???? how could that be?? we only like countries that we can exploit) HALIBURTON !!!!!!!

Some of you on this board are very smart, but you lack any common sense. Most of you have spent too much time being preached to by tenured college professors, or swapping fabricated stories with other leftist while the truly educated are out living the day to day battles you debate, yet have no part of.

[( R )evolution]

You need to read, did I every say the people of Saudi Arabia are lap-dogs? No I said the goverment was, lol get your fact straights.

[LoneRed]

You hate the military that guarantees your freedom and your right to write the vile, untrue, almost comical crap you preach

What freedom of speech? you mean the speech that has any impact is put into free speech zones and not let be heard. You military "men" are an ignorant bunch, You nor any military personnel in Iraq,Afghanistan,Korea, Vietnam anywhere else have protected nothing? The so called rights are only there so the bourgeois dont have to worry that much about being overthrown, if these rights truly mattered they wouldnt have to be written out.



is the fact there are approx 130,000 troops in Iraq as I write this

130,000 troops killing civilians,raping them, and occupying land that isnt theirs. Your comparing a war zone to a regular cities crime rights. The whole big deal about crime within a war situation is that, They are civilians, they are enlisted by A GOVERNMENT, not just some hapless quacks off the streets doing the crime, they are, by all means, property of the US, and thus represent it.



we leave the country after we help rebuild it !!!! Have any of you heard about Japan or Germany during WW2

So you go in there illegally, Kill civilians (Dresden, Hiroshima, and pretty much firebombed all japanese towns as well as the h-bomb) So naive, how bout you crack open a book once and a while, or use the internet for something important instead


Forced labor camps? You mean the ones the US had and put Japanese civilians into? Those Ones?

I Will NEVER Thank a Marine, I Will Never support the illegal occupation of foreign lands just because some half witted monkey wants their oil. There is only one good thing a Marine can do, Not go to Iraq,or wherever else we are occupying, being a conscientous objector. You Sir dont have the intelligence of a High School Freshman, you were a great pic for the military... Hurraah!

[Moderation: I edited your quotes.]

[USMC Sniper]

Originally posted by Machiavelli [email protected] 13 2006, 04:04 AM
You need to read, did I every say the people of Saudi Arabia are lap-dogs? No I said the goverment was, lol get your fact straights.
I stated goverment policies, only the 9-11 highjackers statement was directed at the people. I have my facts straight.

[USMC Sniper]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 05:38 AM

You hate the military that guarantees your freedom and your right to write the vile, untrue, almost comical crap you preach

What freedom of speech? you mean the speech that has any impact is put into free speech zones and not let be heard. You military "men" are an ignorant bunch, You nor any military personnel in Iraq,Afghanistan,Korea, Vietnam anywhere else have protected nothing? The so called rights are only there so the bourgeois dont have to worry that much about being overthrown, if these rights truly mattered they wouldnt have to be written out.


is the fact there are approx 130,000 troops in Iraq as I write this


130,000 troops killing civilians,raping them, and occupying land that isnt theirs. Your comparing a war zone to a regular cities crime rights. The whole big deal about crime within a war situation is that, They are civilians, they are enlisted by A GOVERNMENT, not just some hapless quacks off the streets doing the crime, they are, by all means, property of the US, and thus represent it.


we leave the country after we help rebuild it !!!! Have any of you heard about Japan or Germany during WW2


So you go in there illegally, Kill civilians (Dresden, Hiroshima, and pretty much firebombed all japanese towns as well as the h-bomb) So naive, how bout you crack open a book once and a while, or use the internet for something important instead


Forced labor camps? You mean the ones the US had and put Japanese civilians into? Those Ones?

I Will NEVER Thank a Marine, I Will Never support the illegal occupation of foreign lands just because some half witted monkey wants their oil. There is only one good thing a Marine can do, Not go to Iraq,or wherever else we are occupying, being a conscientous objector. You Sir dont have the intelligence of a High School Freshman, you were a great pic for the military... Hurraah!
My God, were do I start. OK lefty, let me help you with the meaning of free speech. The fact that you can write the things about our government that you do, without any fear of government goons kicking in your door at night and taking you away to a political prison, is free speech. The fact you can walk outside your front door and call Bush a terrorists, or war monger, without being arrested is free speech. If you want to test the American version of free speech against the Iranian or perhaps North Korean version, be my guest. I will buy you the one way ticket (you won't be coming home soon)

As far as your rant about Iraq, why did they have a 70% voter turnout ?? This while being threatened with death if they got caught voting?? Please help me understand if we are the oppressing occupiers you claim, then why a 70% voter turnout? What was the voter turnout when the Nazi's occupied Poland or France or Check or, etc. It was 0% knucklehead, because they were truly occupiers, we are not. They left because they were driven out (by the US by the way) We will leave Iraq, hopefully soon.

The Firebombing of civilians in WW2 was a terrible, but necessary act of war. Have you ever heard of Pearl Harbor? We had to destroy their infrastructure (and hence their ability to make war on us) or we would have lost the war, and you would be counting yen.

The fact we interned Japanese Americans during WW2 was a terrible mistake.

Oil, do you really believe that? or is it just such a popular leftist rant you could just not help your self. We are stealing their oil, where is it being stored?? Who has it? why is gas so expensive if we stole their oil ?? I am sure there has to be video of US tankers filling up on stolen Iraqi oil and bringing it to the US!! The oil argument is one of the most stupid, of all the stupid leftist arguments.

Let me help you a bit, how about you beat up on Rumsfeld, I am no fan of his. We could talk about his terrible decision to only send 150,000 troop to do the job of 500,000.

[travisdandy2000]

USCM, please just read Noam Chomsky's: Failed States or any of Chonsky's most recent works..

[travisdandy2000]

I'll tell you what, USMC, I'll read a conservative book of your choice ie. Ann coulter, or Bill O'Riley, if you'll read Chomskys. Failed States

[YSR]

Originally posted by USMC Sniper

The fact that you can write the things about our government that you do, without any fear of government goons kicking in your door at night and taking you away to a political prison, is free speech.

Sadly, this is bullshit. Have you heard of the Red Scares? Look it up. Have you heard of the Green Scare? That's happening today, while you're out "protecting my freedom".


Oil, do you really believe that? or is it just such a popular leftist rant you could just not help your self. We are stealing their oil, where is it being stored?? Who has it? why is gas so expensive if we stole their oil ?? I am sure there has to be video of US tankers filling up on stolen Iraqi oil and bringing it to the US!! The oil argument is one of the most stupid, of all the stupid leftist arguments.

Don't be obtuse. The oil isn't being literally "stolen," it's being stolen through economic channels. It's imperialism. The opening of trade that benefits overwhelmingly the global North at the expense of the South.


We had to destroy their infrastructure (and hence their ability to make war on us) or we would have lost the war, and you would be counting yen.

Who cares if I'm counting yen? It doesn't matter what nationality that the ruling class comes from. Okay, it's overwhelmingly white men. If it was Japanese men, or Germans, it wouldn't make a difference. The point is that a ruling class exists at all. That's what we anarchists and communists are fighting against. We don't "hate" the United States more than we would hate any imperialist power. We just think the time has come for the working class to be "in the saddle," as Orwell put it.

Unlike other people here, Sniper, I have some sympathy for working class people who get into the military for financial reasons. I know a few. But you just seem to be a pro-nationalist dumbshit. So fuck off.

[piet11111]

Have none of you noticed that after the US comes into a country, usually to rebuild it after war (something none of the countries you guys like so much do they are too busy committing atrocities on a level that dwarfs anything the US military has ever done.....oh wait sorry, this is the I hate America forum) any way back to the point.......we leave the country after we help rebuild it !!!! Have any of you heard about Japan or Germany during WW2, yes we also fought an insurgency in Germany made up of SS (A group of guys you probably admire) for years after Germany surrendered.

how many country's where rebuild ? and does it make up for the countless south american country's that where attacked directly or indirectly by funding thugs ?
say Haiti

or the IMF crippling many south american country's by forcing destructive economic measures ?
only now when the IMF lost its influence are those country's recovering.

america is indeed not imperialistic in the classic sense of colonisation instead they are imperialist by proxy setting up pro-american governments in country's of strategic interest.
take for example iraq and afghanistan both country's have governments that are aproved of by the united states otherwise those poeple would not have made it in the government.


1940s

* C.I.A. and British MI6 put the Shah on the Iranian throne 1942.

* Greek Civil War (1946-1949)

* 1949 CIA helps overthrow the democratically elected government of Syria, which brings in the dictatorship of Husni al-Za'im

1950s

* 1953 CIA and British MI6 successfully orchestrate the removal of democratically-elected Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh, and installs the Shah as dictator.. (See Operation Ajax)
* 1954 CIA-orchestrated overthrow of elected president Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán in Guatemala. (See Operation PBSUCCESS)

1960s

* 1961 CIA involvement in the assassination of Rafael Leónidas Trujillo, ruler of the Dominican Republic.
* 1961 US-sponsored failed invasion of Cuba. (See Bay of Pigs Invasion)
* 1961 - 1962 CIA and Department of Defense covert plans and operations against Fidel Castro. (See The Cuban Project, Operation Mongoose, Operation Northwoods)
* 1962-74 Secret War in Laos.
* 1963 US backs coup against South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963.
* 1964 Brazilian Military Coup
* 1963-64 CIA involvement in riots and violence in Guyana in order to undermine the Marxist People's Progressive Party and its leader, Cheddi Jagan.
* United States intervention in Chile

1970s

* 1970 US supported unsuccessful coup against Salvador Allende
* 1976 Argentine Military Coup
* 1979 - 1989 CIA support for the Contras. (See Iran-Contra Affair)
1980s

* Contras (Nicaragua, 1980s)
* 1981 US sends military advisors to El Salvador.
* 1987-88 Covert anti-Iranian operations in the Persian Gulf. (See Operation Prime Chance)


america has done more to undermine democracy then to spread it.

[Soviet sindorin]

Originally posted by Machiavelli [email protected] 12 2006, 08:55 PM
I have family in Iraq and this is sicking, they tell me stories of American troops that would make you sick. They go into my familys shops and they take all of the money and break the windows they kill people in the street. They are a tool of the ruling cass and in no fucking way protect your rights. Fuck the military they slaughter and kill native people, fuck the terroirst but when US soliders come into my fucking village and shoot a man in a fucking wheel chair and throw a AK by him, that is fukcing sicking. And you may think "oh this is just a isolated incident" fuck that shit, this happens on a daily basis you just dont hear about it on your fucking Fox news, if I were you I would stfu and get some real facts in your head not just the ones that the western media spits at you.
Mach your full of fucking shit. Unless you can back that bs up, stfu.

Second, someone watches the Patriot all too much. the continental Army and the French Blockade at Yorktown won the war. The Peasants or the "militia's" were hyped by Mel's movie.

[Soviet sindorin]

1963 US backs coup against South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963.

Actually that helps democracy. Diem was a corrupt leader and brutally oppressed his people.

[T Man]

Originally posted by Soviet [email protected] 11 2006, 02:08 PM
So, state hired killers won two world wars?
I got a bit of a problem with this statement here. For starters, World War I was mostly fought by the British and Australia. America had little to do with it. Also in World War II it was mostly fought in Europe. It was Germany who invaded France, Holland, Britain among others while Japan attacked Australia and yes, America. While Britain, Australia and the rest were fighting, America took the easy way out and bombed the fuck out of Japan MOMENTS before they were about to surrender. So no, state hired killers didn't win two world wars, they supplied unnessecary overkill in two world wars, then proceeded to get totally owned in the Vietnam War.

[Soviet sindorin]

MOMENTS before they were about to surrender.

Wrong. The emperor was on house arrest, and the Military was running the Show. The Japanese did not have a history of surrendering. If you watched anything on TV or read any books, you'd know.


So no, state hired killers didn't win two world wars, they supplied unnessecary overkill in two world wars

Millions of lives would have been lost in conventional warfare, had the Bomb not be dropped. Also, America's fresh troops and air force broke the stalemate in WW1. Don't tell me they didn't, because they did. Also, ever heard of Normandy and Dday? Those were mainly americans. Patton, and Eisenhower.

The major Euro Operation, Market Garden, was a horrible calculation. Also, ever heard of Bastogne and the KLiberation of France?

I don't know where you get your facts, but you're clearly the victim of revisionism.



then proceeded to get totally owned in the Vietnam War.

And rightly so. America had no buisness there and the NVA thankfully beat the fuck out of them. Simply because the US Policy of "containment" meant propping up an equally bad dictator like Minh.

[Noah]

Nah it's not a surprise many women are raped by American soldiers, especially in Abu Ghraib and nothing ever happens.

Bastards.

[Soviet sindorin]

Provide proof that there were women raped at Abu Graib, when most of the Contraversy was over defiled and naked men being humiliated.

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by Soviet [email protected] 15 2006, 01:46 AM
Provide proof that there were women raped at Abu Graib, when most of the Contraversy was over defiled and naked men being humiliated.
Why is men being raped not as bad?

And this whole situation is so fucked. When you look at the soldier's attitudes toward Iraqis, and listen to any interview with soldiers, it's obvious that atittudes like they had are systemic. They're not isolated, which is how the military will play it. After all, it's so much easier to kill people you think of as subhuman. :angry:

[( R )evolution]

Soviet sardin, do you want me to show you the pics of me and my family in there house in Iraq? My family lives in Baghdad, so stfu. You are a prime exmaple of the american school system and a guliable american.