Che

[*[email protected]*]

I recently got into a discusion with my language teacher on communism and socialism.

When Che Guevara was mentioned, he told me about Guevara's horrible treatment of prisoners when he was in command of a prison in Cuba.

I looked it up, but found many sources that seemed to over stretch the trueth to attack Che (chemart.com, Wikipedia ect.).

Do's anyone know what exactly happened with his activitys at the prison?

[Janus]

He was one of the judges who sentenced counter-revolutionaries but it was mainly the people who condemned them themselves.

There's a bunch of threads about this in the Che subforum.

Moved.

[Colombia]

Depends on what he define as horrible treatment.

Is going to living on some mansion to living in a prison cell considered degrading to your teacher?

[*[email protected]*]

Is going to living on some mansion to living in a prison cell considered degrading to your teacher?

Well he's a homo-sexual and from what he told me and what I have read, homo-sexuals were a target by Che for executions without trials because of their sexuality.

[Janus]

homo-sexuals were a target by Che for executions without trials because of their sexuality.
No, I think many people either unintentionally mix this up with Che or do so on purpose.

After the Congo intervention, AIDS became somewhat of a problem so the government tried to isolate former soldiers and homosexuals in order to try to stop the spread of the disease. This happened in the 1980's after Che has long been dead.

[Wiesty]

even if that was true, it was a much more different world in the 1960's, homosexuals were not as acceptable as they are today, ESPECIALLY in Latin America

[Janus]

This subject has been discussed many times.

Check this thread.

Did Che kill gay people? (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=33838&st=0&hl=homosexual)

[The Incorruptible]

Che was a monster for the Cuban bourgeoisie but he was a saint for the workers and peasants. End of story.

[Ander]

In the Che biography by Jon Lee Anderson I read that Guevara was homophobic.

[Janus]

I don't remember Anderson every mentioning that.

Once again, about the accusations of homophobia

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...0&hl=homosexual (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=33838&st=0&hl=homosexual)

[Janus]

Che rarely talked about homosexuality because that wasn't something that people talked much about back then especially in machismo societies like Cuba.

[Wanted Man]

Dunno, what's worse? Getting a fair trial and being put up in front of a firing squad in a prison which Che happens to run, or being thrown out to the streets without protection and left to the angry mob for the unspeakable exploitation and cruelty you had committed? Firing squad, please.

[The Incorruptible]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 12:13 AM
I don't remember Anderson every mentioning that.

Once again, about the accusations of homophobia

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...0&hl=homosexual (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=33838&st=0&hl=homosexual)
Anderson does mention it when he is comparing Fidel and Che right in the middle of the book. He said Che and Castro have points of similarities-- they were both contemptuous of homosexuals and sexually voracious. But this is besides the point. Che wasn't a God, he was a human being. He did his work we have to do ours. The point is to learn from our and his mistakes.

[matiasm]

che once said "i dont drink, i smoke, i would cease to be a man if i did not like women" I think each person has a dvine right to feel in which ever way he may to fulfill there comfort. if history is correct Che's quote is in context with nature. I dont think Che was homophobic, i think he just shared his different opinions then to homosexuals.

[Rollo]

Che wasn't homophobic he was 'straight' and believed that homosexuality COULD result in the end of mankind as to my understanding, could be wrong.

[Briseño]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 01:34 PM
che once said "i dont drink, i smoke, i would cease to be a man if i did not like women" I think each person has a dvine right to feel in which ever way he may to fulfill there comfort. if history is correct Che's quote is in context with nature. I dont think Che was homophobic, i think he just shared his different opinions then to homosexuals.
I agree with you on that...

[The Incorruptible]

In the Motorcycle Diaries (book version) he makes a bad joke about some limp-wristed guy he meets in his travles. Not one of his better moments to be sure.

[Solitary Mind]

Yeah but i personally am not homophobic, i have gay friends, but everynow make a crack..but then again i do it to everyone, i even crack on myself for whatever reason...doesnt mean i hate myself..then id be emo :lol:

[norwegian commie]

If you are wondering who Che was, read his diaries.
Read the numerus books by the people around the man.
Che ave not been imbrased by the workers for nothing, the counter revolutionaries have needed somthing on this man taking away hes creebility. This is what they came up with and is nothing but bullshitt.

Ive heard the stories about che emptying his clip against a child and violently arresting young men. One problem to this, it is fictional. Not real, mikkie mouse....
Che is and was a heroe, all there is to it.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by norwegian [email protected] 21 2006, 01:57 PM
If you are wondering who Che was, read his diaries.
Read the numerus books by the people around the man.
Che ave not been imbrased by the workers for nothing, the counter revolutionaries have needed somthing on this man taking away hes creebility. This is what they came up with and is nothing but bullshitt.

Ive heard the stories about che emptying his clip against a child and violently arresting young men. One problem to this, it is fictional. Not real, mikkie mouse....
Che is and was a heroe, all there is to it.
I agree completely. If you want to know about the man, millions idolize. Don't ask someone is a history buff, or look at wikipedia, Read his diaries. Peer into his mind, and see what made him tick. If he had any prejudices he would not hesitate to put it in his writings. He observed everything around him so that you could see into his eyes, and felt what he felt.

[Rollo]

Go to argentina or cuba and yell out " ¡Che Guevara Vive! " and people will either yell with you or at you depending where you are. Truly a terrible man /sarcasm.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

When Che Guevara was mentioned, he told me about Guevara's horrible treatment of prisoners when he was in command of a prison in Cuba.

I've heard stories like this too.


But I don't think we should take these claims too seriously.

Che always treated prisoners of war with respect. He gave them first aid, he healed their wounds. Even when he was shot and captured, he offered his medical knowledge to treat the wounds of some of the enemy soldiers.

And the prisoners of war were stripped of their clothes (except boxer shorts), weapons and equipment, and relased, and gave them a warning not to return to the army. Why? Because he believed these soldiers could too be converted to the revolutionary army.


So if indeed he treated prisoners badly, there must have been a very good reason.


Che might have done some mistakes and have held some wrong opinions, but I would never think of him as a monster. I believe he was an extraordinary man.

But let us not forget those who fought alongside him; Chino, Arturo, Alejandro, Tuma, Joaquin, Inti, Chino, Nato etc. They are often forgotten. I think that is sad. And I think it is sad fact that we have forgotten so many of those south american heroes who have risen up against capitalism.

Che was only one of them.

[Rollo]

You wrote Chino twice :P. I wrote an essay for school a while back about the bolivian campaign and mentioned camillo, chino, arturo and alejandro in my speach, not everybody is a che fad follower.But as I have already said Che mostly had spies executed.

[shorelinetrance]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 02:03 AM
Dunno, what's worse? Getting a fair trial and being put up in front of a firing squad in a prison which Che happens to run, or being thrown out to the streets without protection and left to the angry mob for the unspeakable exploitation and cruelty you had committed? Firing squad, please.
I agree.