The Michigan Intifada - It's not a "riot"...it's a "rebellio

[rebelafrika]

What I like best about this current rebellion in Michigan is that it apperently caught alot of people of guard (particularly people in the bourgeoisie and petty-bourgeoisie class). On the surface, it appears as if the catalyst of this rebellion is the police induced death of an African motorcyclist, but many people in the mainstream media appearently have not been able to pinpoint the "underlying factors" that led to this uprising. They appear to be in "shock and awe" at this outburst which to them appears to have been "unforseeable." They blindly "parrot" questions about the racial factors of the rebellion, while completely (unknowingly???) excluding the class contradictions which equally contributed to this uprising. The incapacity of the capitalist system to acknowledge it's own faults (which could only lead to absolute condemnation of itself) will be it's own undoing. Whether you love it or hate it, the revolution is an objective reality.

ready for the REVOLUTION!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/19/national...&partner=GOOGLE (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/19/national/19MICH.html?ex=1056600000&en=0bf20be2f78c2b23&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE)

[Eastside Revolt]

What's even more interesting is that it didn't even make the news here.

It's a perfect testament to: "the revolution will not be televised"

[praxis1966]

Look's like I'm gonna have to get geared up and organize something for Oct. 22 again this year.

[Iron Star]

Quote: from redcanada on 8:49 pm on June 20, 2003
What's even more interesting is that it didn't even make the news here.

It's a perfect testament to: "the revolution will not be televised"


Your right there.

i didn't even here about it until i read this thread.

[Organic Revolution]

hey rebel were do u live.. i was up in michigan city at the time

[rebelafrika]

I live in "occupied Mexico" (Los Angeles, California). Why do you ask?

[Umoja]

I first read about this on Raise the Fist, and myself, I was pretty shocked. The thing about black people and rioting though, is that it's usually not strong enough to "infect" the surrounding communities. Now if they could get the poor white people, or even Hispanics as riled up, then we'd be talkin'.

[commieboy]

okay, i live in michigan, and those riots were the worst bullshit i have ever seen. you'll see some fat black woman named like Lawanda yelling how the opressive white pigs are bringing the black community down. thats all bullshit, these people just want an excuse to loot the mall. that kid getting hit was an accident, it happens, dont blame the cops, blame the little shithead for running what did he think was going to happen, he'd get on channel 2 for like twenty minutes? that was nothing compared to the seventies when african americans had an excuse to riot.

[praxis1966]

commieboy: You obviously didn't read the article. This wasn't the first act of indiscretion by the pigs up there. As far as your comment about "fat black women named Lawanda," next time you consider making a post on this site, try to do it with out the use of vulgar stereotyping.

[Organic Revolution]

commie boy.. that was the worst shit ive ever heard.. now leave

[Weidt]

Quote: from commieboy on 10:30 pm on June 29, 2003
okay, i live in michigan, and those riots were the worst bullshit i have ever seen. you'll see some fat black woman named like Lawanda yelling how the opressive white pigs are bringing the black community down. thats all bullshit, these people just want an excuse to loot the mall. that kid getting hit was an accident, it happens, dont blame the cops, blame the little shithead for running what did he think was going to happen, he'd get on channel 2 for like twenty minutes? that was nothing compared to the seventies when african americans had an excuse to riot.
Well, the interesting fact is there was little, if any, looting, and I would be shocked to hear that Benton Harbor even has a mall (maybe strip-malls, but surely not the middle-class version of a mall). They burned 21 buildings, of which I believe 19 were abandoned buildings. The City of Detroit demolishes over 1,000 abandoned buildings a year legally (done by the City) at a cost to taxpayers. The Benton Harbor folks were just doing a little Spring "cleaning" and saying themselves some tax expense...

The media, as always, reported on the event from the police viewpoint -- the only "reliable" source the media had, of course. *sigh*

[commieboy]

I will use my stero types how ever i want...because thats all you will see are the uneducated, rude people standing infront of the cameras. i dont care weather you're black or white, if you are educated your ass in on your couch watching it on TV. you guys yell at me for saying armed organized assualts dont work....but riots do? why cant you people realized that that person dying was an accident, ACCIDENTS HAPPEN! its no excuse to go out and burn down buildings. think about that one person dying in that accident.....think about the hundreds of people these officers put away to stop from killing you, robbng you, and doing god knows what to your families. I RESPECT POLICE OFFICERS! they put their lives on the line for us. and think.....if bush was shot he would go down in history as a hero...for killing millions of innocent people.....but when a cop is shot dead while protecting innocent people he's only given a flag and 21 bullets......Is that fair?

[praxis1966]

Jesus, commieboy! I seriously wish you would attend an English class. As observant as I am, I couldn't understand a word you said in that post. (Aside from a negligable defense of your racism, that is.)

TRY NOT TO SMOKE CRACK BEFORE POSTING HERE FROM NOW ON!

[Xprewatik RED]

Does her race make her not have a right to express her opinion? You are obvioulsy a racist capitalist. It is sad what kind of people fill this world. Good luck in your rising. I face a government who uses live bullets and never cares who is hurt, and noone can stop them.

[Reuben]

commieboy you have no place on this board

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Xprewatik RED on 12:33 pm on July 1, 2003
Does her race make her not have a right to express her opinion? You are obvioulsy a racist capitalist. It is sad what kind of people fill this world. Good luck in your rising. I face a government who uses live bullets and never cares who is hurt, and noone can stop them.


I dont think he was saying that people dont have a right to opinion, i think that he was commenting on how your right to opinion should not involve burning stuff...

But that racist remark was well out of order commieboy...

[TXsocialist]

The capitalist class is not prepared to defend the initial shock of homegrown rebellion, this highlights that very well!

All Power to the Michigan Soviet!

[TXsocialist]

It's the job of communists to guide this random burst of class anger nito positive revolutionary action, though.

(Edited by TXsocialist at 7:37 pm on July 1, 2003)

[rebelafrika]

Yo "Commie" boy,

[email protected] fat black woman named Lawanda!!! Fuck you, you racist capitulationist peice of shit!!! You need to change your name to "Capitulationist Boy" and take that Che quote off your profile *smile*

[Hampton]

but when a cop is shot dead while protecting innocent people he's only given a flag and 21 bullets

Diallo got 41 shots while reaching for his wallet, big deal.

[commieboy]

fine...call me a capitalist bastard, i can live with that. but dont call me a racist! i am the farthest thing from racist...yeah so what if what i say offends your people....but guess what when i said your people i meant my people too! my grandparents are from Tunisia! do you know where that is? NORTH AFRICA! even though my skin isnt as dark as yours doesnt exclude me from the group of AFRICAN AMERICANS!!! now saying im african american changes alot of things too huh? its like when you see a white person use the word "nigger" its bad because its degrating to the AFRICAN AMERICANs who it is directed towards. but when you see a black person, and i say black person because there are lots of differnt kinds of people in africa not just black, theres my kind of north africans who arent even considered african, we're arabic to all of you. now if a black person say "nigger" its okay? i would like to know why this is okay. i personally dont like the word at all because it causes so much shit. but if i say it, and i am African American i am called a racist piece of shit. you should know who people are before you begin labeling them as racist pieces of shit. so for all of those of you who keep your mouths shut when you hear a black person say the word nigger. shut up when you hear me say somthing that i dont mean as racist, just a point i was trying to make. that only the idiots are rioting in michigan, only the pieces of crap who want a free TV or just to try their new lighter out... or practice molitov cocktails...are out burning shit down. and the smart people are sitting at home staying away from that stuff.

if you saw or heard the things i do about racism towards anybody, blacks, whites, hispanics, asians...you wouldn't even consider me as a racist.....i am not racist....i am against racism......i like and hate all differnt people REGARDLESS OF THEIR RACE, CREED, OR SEXUAL PREFERNCE! I have a gay uncle, none of my cousins will hang out with him or like even talk to him....i do....i have had black girlfriends, and asians.....im not a racist person...i will accept all your other insults but not that one because it pisses me off more than anything else you could call me!

[rebelafrika]

LOL!!! Why are you acting all surprised about me thinking you were a racist? What was up with that "fat black woman named Lawanda" shit? All this other shit you are saying is just a diversion. What are you trying to do, turn something around on me??? Let me make it clear to you that I am an African born in amerikkka and my people are ALL of the Africans...no matter where they are (amerikkka, Brazil, Jamaica, India, Palestine, Europe, Tunisia) or what they are (light skinned, dark skinned, militants, revolutionaries, gay, straight, uneducated, rude, fat, black, Lawandas, UNCLE TOMS OR HOUSE NIGGAS...they are still "MY" people!!!) and my comrades are ALL people (Asians, Arabs, Persians, Indigenous people in the western hemisphere, Pacific Islanders, Europeans and anybody else I forgot) who genuinely love justice!!! If you can use whatever stereotype you want to, then I can also open my mouth to condemn every last one of them. You keep refering to the Africans "rebelling" as "rioting." You keep calling them "idiots" for rebelling. You even condemned the idea of "ORGANIZED rebellion" for christs sakes!!! The smart people ARE NOT the people sitting at home. The smart people are the ones trying to transform unorganized and sporadic uprising into organized and sincronized uprising. The stupid muthafuckas are the ones who sit around thinking that rebellions are not gonna happen. Whose class interest do you side with??? Do you know anything about slave revolts??? Do you know that the Hatians damn near burned down everything on the muthafuckin island??? Do you know that the slave master's plantations were frequently targeted to be burned down in slave uprisings??? Burning shit down IS a stupid tactic...but ONLY to the bourgeoisie (and mistakenly by the petty bourgeoisie) who ideologically represent a different class interest than the working class and peasents. So you can call my people all kinds of "fat black Lawandas" if you want to, but you cannot call "MY" people stupid for burning shit down...because there is a "historical basis" for burning shit down in an uprising. You CANNOT call them stupid for that. The capitalist system is "inherantly" racist and you don't want me to call you a "racist," but you don't mind me calling you a "capitalist" (and capitalists are racists)??? What kind of a communist are you??? Capitalism has got you HELLA confused!!! Shit, you even side with the police!!! THE MUTHAFUCKIN POLICE!!! I don't even know why I am still talking to you. Please don't make the mistake of saying the type of shit you said in this post to another African in the future, okay???

(Edited by rebelafrika at 9:18 am on July 2, 2003)

[Reuben]

Commieboy, you should not have to quote your ethnicity to 'prove' that you are not a racist. It should be obvious from your posts that you are an anti-racist, and unfortunately while you illustrate your allegiance to the michigan police with racial sterotypesof those they were fighting against, it is not obvious at all.

[Reuben]

i believe that commieboys latest post can be summerd up by the following statement:

'some of my best friends are black'

[Umoja]

I definitely hear what RA and Reuben are saying. Commieboy, you really need to rethink your philosophy.

[Umoja]

Also, the reason most North African Arabs aren't considered Africans is because they are the original enslavers of Africans in the region. It was probubly where the Europeans got the idea for slavery.

Look at Mauratinus (Sp?) they just ended black slavery there 30 years ago. 30 years ago.....

Not that I'm saying I hate Arabs, but Arab North Africans don't exactly count as Ethnic Africans.

[praxis1966]

We all realize that Africa does not simply contain black people. But the assertion that someone who lives in Africa is ethnically African is fallacious. That would be like trying to convince the Bantustans (while living under Aparthied) in South Africa that the Boers were equally African in heritage. Or that the Belgians living in the Congo had just as much a right to land ownership there as anyone else. Or telling a Native American that the whites here are Americans when they are really European colonists. It just doesn't make any sense.

[commieboy]

RA..you're right and thanks for being a bit understanding. but one major reason i side with the police, is because my uncle was a cop and he was killed. i dont know all the details because i was eight...but christmas, and my birthdays were really wierd not having my uncle rob at..so thats why i side with the police MOST OF THE TIME...some of them deserve respect..but not like the like twenty detroit cops who were selling crack and beating up suspects. and i dont like starting arguments...so i can accept insults, to a certain point then i begin to get pissed off. and im sorry about the lawanda remark....but im trying to prove a point...i didnt say that in my first post though...running through the streets burning buildings down, i think isnt the best thing. i think you should organize, and present yourself, and then you're allowed to burn shit. i think leaderless hoards of people running causes mass confusion isnt the most effective way to prove your point. so if the rioters had a valid reason....thats not what i, or the rest of the world saw, we saw a bunch of unorganized people running around wrecking stuff.

thats all i've got to say...and i will always be on the side of the police....UNTIL THEY INFRINGE ON MY RIGHTS then i will shove that night stick of theirs UP THEIR ASS

[Reuben]

Quote: from commieboy on 5:57 am on July 3, 2003
and i will always be on the side of the police....UNTIL THEY INFRINGE ON MY RIGHTS

And what about when they infringe on the rights of people other than you. i believe this is the kind of attitude that Pastor Niemellor wrote about ('...then they cam for the communists and i did not speak out becauyse i was not a communist')

[soulrise925]

u call urself commieboy??? do you not understand the politics that u claim in your name???!!!! RA served u up nicely but u just had to go throw in that last stupid comment didn't u? PLEASE do not give us this bullshit about most police being cool and that the problem lies within individually racist PIGS. THE PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE IS THE FUNCTION THAT THEY SERVE IN SOCIETY: TO MAINTAIN POWER BY FORCE. since im not so sure ur bougie ass can understands just what the fuck u claim to support let me help you: THE PIGS (your uncle included) SERVE THE INTERESTS OF THE RULING ELITES BY ENFORCING THEIR LAWS AND PROTECTING THE STATUS QUO. without the daily brutality that they inflict on the lumpen proletariat (translation for commie posers aka commieboy: working class), without their threats of nightsticks, guns, pepper spray, tear gas, etc. dont you think the people would've successfully risen up and challenged the oppressive conditions of their lives by now? if the PIGS are our ally why do they throw people in prisons when EVERYBODY knows that the prison industrial complex is not designed to rehabilitate nobody?

I have heard that in socialist countries the police actually serve the people and it sounds great. But in this capitalist society i have but one phrase for the bootlicking servants of my oppressor: FUCK THA POLICE!!!!!!!!! may all dead pigs rest in piss.

[commieboy]

You kno what? my uncle wasnt a normal cop walking a beat on the steets......He was a DNR officer, he busts poachers, when he saw three guys illegally shooting a deer. they shot him when he walked up to the car, they fucking killed my uncle for a five hundred dollar fine! he wasnt beating people with nightsticks, he wasnt launching teargas into a peaceful protest....he was fucking stopping poachers! and you can say fuck the police, go ahead, but leave certain police out of that insult. my uncle didnt deserve to die, atleast not for a five hundred dollar fine.

[Xprewatik RED]

Is there still a rebellion going on? Can you show me some pictures, because I don't get it on the news, and I don't know many goodsites to view the action.

[commieboy]

no, its been over for a few days now.....but hey, they're still cleaning up

[TXsocialist]

Too bad it wasn't more organized, and armed for that matter.

Same with the Los Angeles uprising, it fell into disorder for the lack of an organizing(communist) force's presence.

[Umoja]

Apparently they didn't have enough gunstores in Michigan. :biggrin:

[soulrise925]

i heard that umoja, if they did they could've killed themselves some more PIGS.

"commieboy" do you really expect anybody to give a fuck about your uncle who got killed for serving somebody with a FIVE HUNDRED DOLLAR ticket??? for what? killing a deer? so as a "commie" do you support this capitalist regime's right to dictate to the people what they can hunt? i bet you also wish your uncle coulda collected the ticket so that it coulda gone straight to the state's war chest. change your fucking name kid, the contradictions in your arguments and emotionalism are so bad its embarassing. one last thing, i usually dont ever take personal shots in political arguments, but since you insist on bringing your personal life into the arena of this argument let me make this clear: THE ONLY GOOD COP IS A DEAD COP, AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED THE WORLD'S A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT YOUR UNCLE. go ahead and cry about his passing, i'll continue to mourn for those who have died by the guns of the pigs and for those who have died because of the system that the pigs (including your uncle) have sworn to defend and protect.

[rebelafrika]

Yeah Commieboy...I gotta ride with what Soulrise is saying. My big brother is a kkkop. My "flesh and blood" brother is a kkkop. Do you know I would cry like a baby if something bad were to happen to my brother? But at the same time, that STILL doesn't excuse him from being a pig. My brother has chosen the wrong proffession in life and now he has to deal with all the consequences that comes with that. He's the only pig I "love." But there is no such thing as a "good" kkkop. Not even my brother. The so-called good kkkops work right along side the so-called bad kkkops. Within the capitalist system, they all play the same role...as an occupying army in poor people's neighborhoods. The only thing they protect is the property of the rich. Until the masses have control of the state apparatus, the police can only represent one thing...the enemy of the people. And thats including my own brother.

[TXsocialist]

now that's dedication.

Although, during the russian revolution, success of the initial marches DEPENDED on the soldiers, as they are only workers with guns and state madate.

[Umoja]

Luckily America's Founding Fathers were smart enough to allow guns.

[TXsocialist]

Yes, I have quite a few of them ;)

[commieboy]

guns huh? i was thinking of a way to sneak this in some how...but could there be a whole like board thing dedicated to guerilla warfare and weapons....i dont know if the FBI or CIA would be all over us, but is it a possiblity?

[Reuben]

no because it would attract more morons like you.

Of couse issues such as tactics should be talked about, but they should be talked about in the context of wider political discussion. Yu cannot simply abstract the discussion of revolutionary tactics from wider political.economic analysis.

As for a forum about weaponsthat sounds likea massive waste o time, something which would not particularly belong on this board, If people want to find out about weapons there are hundreds of boards they can go to.

[commieboy]

sorry, i was just hoping that i didnt have to hop from bbs to bbs. thanks anyway

[Reuben]

i should stop being so rude to you.

Sorry mate i can be a bit of a bully on che lives.

[commieboy]

its okay, i deserve it most of the time

[Reuben]

no you ont. You are trying to do make to the world a better place and i shouldnt be such a shit.

sorry i couldnt put that more articulately but its nearly midnight:)