Confused Comrades...

[R_P_A_S]

While I'm not implying that I know it all. But I do know that theres a difference between a revolution by the workers and by the exploited.

as opposed of those relgious nut-cases who kill innocents and blow up other countries embassies. I understand some of those people are also oppressed BUT their cause is based on religious beliefs not revolution for freedom of workers all over the world. not for human rights and other things that drive people to uprise and revolt against the goverment and state.

I can't identify with those people and I have no idea why some comrades who call themselves socialist, marxist, communist, etc. see that as a symbol to use and associate with our cause.

theres a group of sandista supporters on my space who try to post hammas and al-quaeda videos on my page they post pictures of be-headings of americans by al-quaeda, and just images of those people. and dead U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

and also pictures of North Korean's Kim Jong Il. i dont think that fuckin guy is a communist and I sure as hell dont think he represents the left. he wants to be treated like a fucking god. screw him and his ideologies.

I think comrades who support those morons i listed above are fooled and confused. I also feel they hurt our cause and our beliefs.

we need to focus on this issue and help comrades tell the difference between true communism, true revolutionary mind set as opposed to just plain hate of the United States. because I think thats what it is. is no longer about our revolution and our ultimate goals. is about who hates the U.S. more and how can we distant our selves more from it.

fuck that

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

I can't identify with those people and I have no idea why some comrades who call themselves socialist, marxist, communist, etc. see that as a symbol to use and associate with our cause.

You know, there was a time when i would have agreed with you.

But, i think communists should support any resistance against imperialism, so long as its not fascist or nazi.

If they are islamic so what? They will develop and as their lives improve materially, islam will start to diminish.



and also pictures of North Korean's Kim Jong Il. i dont think that fuckin guy is a communist and I sure as hell dont think he represents the left. he wants to be treated like a fucking god. screw him and his ideologies.

I agree that he is an authoritarian fuck tard, but some on the left think the DPRK is a democracy.

And they are anti-imperialist, and thecountry suffered aweful crimes by the americans in the Korean War. The workers in the DPRK deserve our support.



I understand some of those people are also oppressed BUT their cause is based on religious beliefs not revolution for freedom of workers all over the world

Opposing imperialist nations and their armies is a great thing to do. Marxists often think that the ruling class use religion as a tool to keep the workers divided. Communists should really see through that stuff and support them in their fight for national independance.

For example, would you not support hezbolla, just because they are islamic?

[R_P_A_S]

yeah well i think those people do it more to cause real terror and is fueled by religious beliefs more than by imperialism. think about it. they sais is JiHad or whatever. they say is HOLLY WAR! christians/Jews VS them the muslims. now im not taking sides. I dont want those people to be taken over by imperialist america. but they mix it with their fucked up version of religion. I dont know, perhaps I sound like a moron. but thats my choice. I don't support radical extreme muslim terrorist. I support the people who fight the occupation. but not int he name of Islam. sorry? :unsure:

i support the workers and the people of North Korea. but not their fucking leader.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

i support the workers and the people of North Korea. but not their fucking leader.

Me too, but marxists look at a society in terms of class.

Cleary the workers are not in power, or they could travel to other countries if they wanted.



yeah well i think those people do it more to cause real terror and is fueled by religious beliefs more than by imperialism. think about it. they sais is JiHad or whatever. they say is HOLLY WAR! christians/Jews VS them the muslims. now im not taking sides. I dont want those people to be taken over by imperialist america. but they mix it with their fucked up version of religion. I dont know, perhaps I sound like a moron. but thats my choice. I don't support radical extreme muslim terrorist. I support the people who fight the occupation. but not int he name of Islam. sorry? unsure.gif

I think thats the general position of most marxists.

essentially we will support you (religious organisation) while you are fighting imperialism, and they critisize while you are not under immediate threat. Sometimes helping the lesser of two evils, means supporting reactionary religions.

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

In Truth those terrorist organizations that commit crimes ON the Proletariat in the name of the proletariat...are just wrong. If they call themselves socialist or such, they are simply ruining the name of socialism.

Like those terrorists in Iraq- US soldiers aren't the main victim even though our nationalist media portrays it as such, its the Iraqi people, and mainly workers and the poor! 30 dead today, 30 dead tommorow, and consistently - these people are attacking the wrong people and in doing so, they ruin the name of socialism in the minds of the people who it relies on.

[Enragé]

true, but the resistance in iraq isnt just one group

there are loads of groups who only attack soldiers and the like.
Problem is, its as easy to kill 150 iraqis as one yanqui soldier. Certainly, the 150 dead iraqis will end up on the news sooner than one dead soldier, if they're victims of "the resistance" that is.

[Whitten]

For those who seem to be confused about this. There is no such thing as an innocent Israeli who isnt a child.

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Actually just the other day there was a demonstration of 10,000 Israeli's against the Israeli-Lebanon War and Gaza Occupation

[Morpheus]

There are also Arab-Israelis who obviously don't support Israeli imperialism. And various communist & anarchist Israelis who are against imperialism.

[La Comédie Noire]

For those who seem to be confused about this. There is no such thing as an innocent Israeli who isnt a child.

I see were you are coming from. Those who have made a decision to live in Israel are participating in an illegal occupation.

[Enragé]

i understand why someone would say that

but that would lead to declaring the entire US population imperialist as well, and a valid target

cuz
why dont they just leave if they dont like the US?
or at least attack the US?

it is an oversimplification at its worst

[KC]

but that would lead to declaring the entire US population imperialist as well, and a valid target


Not at all. Look into Israeli conscription.

[Janus]

they sais is JiHad or whatever. they say is HOLLY WAR! christians/Jews VS them the muslims. now im not taking sides. I dont want those people to be taken over by imperialist america. but they mix it with their fucked up version of religion. I dont know, perhaps I sound like a moron. but thats my choice. I don't support radical extreme muslim terrorist. I support the people who fight the occupation. but not int he name of Islam. sorry?
We're currently discussing this in Politics.

The fact is that not all Muslims are extremists but due to western influences and US imperialism, these fundamentalist groups gain strength which is a bad thing for us and comrades in those countries.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Khayembii [email protected] 7 2006, 12:48 PM


but that would lead to declaring the entire US population imperialist as well, and a valid target


Not at all. Look into Israeli conscription.
i fail to see what that has to do with anything