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which doctor
5th August 2006, 00:39
http://www.futureatlas.com/blog/index.php/...-six-scenarios/ (http://www.futureatlas.com/blog/index.php/2006/08/01/the-future-of-cuba-six-scenarios/)

It's a blog post outlining what the author thinks will happen to Cuba without Fidel. It's pretty interesting. I suggest you read it and tell me what you think.

:)

Karl Marx's Camel
5th August 2006, 01:21
Less likely would be such sharp resistance that the US loses heart and retreated, leaving Cuba to the Fidelismo outcome.

Is the author claiming that Cubans will not fight heavily against the U.S. forces?

I will seriously imagine the Cubans blowing the U.S. forces into tiny bits of flesh through guerilla warfare.

Not everyone is totally for the regime but a lot, a lot of people will fight to death even if it means they themselves will not see a free, independent Cuba without U.S. control.
I also think it is stupid to say that if the U.S. would leave after an invasion, Cuba would turn fidelismo. New groups would probably be formed and one of those or a coalition of some of those could take power.

Janus
5th August 2006, 10:49
The Cuban militias have already been mombilized in fear of a US attack.

Cuba readies troops (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060805/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_castro)

RevolutionaryMarxist
5th August 2006, 20:52
Personally I believe it is extremely likely that the US will turn Cuba into another enslaved nation like it has done with Equador and numerous other Third World Nations - through the methods described in such works as "Confessions of a Economic Hit man" by John Perkins - in which they trick the countries into debt, however sly.

If the US invaded Cuba - the US military force would sadly overwhelm any resistance offered to them (which there likely would be).

Fidelbrand
5th August 2006, 22:04
I just wish the Cubans stay loyal to their revo. and fight off the yanks.

Karl Marx's Camel
5th August 2006, 23:25
If the US invaded Cuba - the US military force would sadly overwhelm any resistance offered to them (which there likely would be).

IIRC, Cuba's (official) military strategy has been that Cuba can be partially occupied by an invasion, but that Cuba will never be wholly occupied. Sounds like they are planning more of a Vietnam scenario?

Nothing Human Is Alien
6th August 2006, 01:06
Yeah.. guess what.. if the U.S. can't win in Iraq, they definitely can't win in an invasion of Cuba.

The Bay of the Pigs was the first defeat of U.S. imperialism in world history.

RevolutionaryMarxist
6th August 2006, 01:16
Yes but the Bay of Pigs militarily was only due to the fact that the coordinating between US Military Branches was out of synced and little air or naval support was given -

It seems like guerilla's are very effective in creating a general anti-war sentiment in the US, and so if the Cuban Military resorts to Guerilla tactics then it is likely that the US will be forced to eventually make concessions or pull out depending on support at home, yet they could just say "WMD"'s all over again with the history of missile crisis...

Jiub
6th August 2006, 01:34
I think the China option might be quite possible, Cuba has oil riches and good hospitals which foreigners could use, maybe they'll use it to power the economy and create a bourgeios class who profit from it.

RevolutionaryMarxist
6th August 2006, 01:43
Cuba has mainy already followed the China Option anyway with some private buisness and trade and all that etc, the only reason the US doesnt classify it as such is because of its embargo that it has unjustly held for 40 years.

No Cuban Cigars!!

I personally find a sucession of scenerios happening - first possibly a regime staying hold for a little longer, chaos, US Forces come, and then a right wing dictatorship set up. How long the dictatorship will last I can't say, for the cuban people will meet it with fierce resistance while the US calls it democracy

Zikan
6th August 2006, 01:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 10:22 PM

Less likely would be such sharp resistance that the US loses heart and retreated, leaving Cuba to the Fidelismo outcome.

Is the author claiming that Cubans will not fight heavily against the U.S. forces?

I will seriously imagine the Cubans blowing the U.S. forces into tiny bits of flesh through guerilla warfare.

Not everyone is totally for the regime but a lot, a lot of people will fight to death even if it means they themselves will not see a free, independent Cuba without U.S. control.
I also think it is stupid to say that if the U.S. would leave after an invasion, Cuba would turn fidelismo. New groups would probably be formed and one of those or a coalition of some of those could take power.


My understanding is different. In my opinion the auther suggests again and again that the aggressive policies of the US government towards Cuba generate support for the current Cuban regime.

Examples:


US antagonism makes the defiance of the current regime necessary in the eyes of many Cubans.


Many Cubans would wish to prevent the opening for direct intervention by the US that this would open up.

The error the author does is more about his understanding about what "democrazy" means. For instance, does he really believe the US would change their policies if the PCC won the free election? Where, ever, has that happened? The last 100 years are full of examples of what the US meaning of "democrazy" means. When they talk about democrazy they talk about right-wing governments. If there is free elections or not has nothing to do with it. If the government support whatever the US does, they are according to washington a democrazy, even tough the landfills are full of the bodies from opposition. like El Salvador in the 80s. At the same time a left-wing, or not necesserily left-wing, but even just US-critical government, its a dictatorship, even tough there are both free elections and most media are controlled by the opposition. Like Venezuela today, the government are labelled authoritorian or dictatorship by Washington.

Would the US favor a democratic Cuba with a left-wing president? no. look to nicaragua, Chile Bolivia, Venezuela or Persia/Iran.

But washington will never allow a truly free election on Cuba. Whatever the cuban government does the cuban people will have to vote with the threat of continued US-blocade if they where to choose the "wrong" governemnt. Just like the nicaraguans 16 years ago had to vote knowing that renewed support for the sandinastas would result in a renewed support from the US to the terrorist organisation of Contras.

For the Cubans to experience true democrazy the main change of politics has to be done in Washington.

Zikan
6th August 2006, 01:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 10:35 PM
I think the China option might be quite possible, Cuba has oil riches and good hospitals which foreigners could use, maybe they'll use it to power the economy and create a bourgeios class who profit from it.
Then the revolution is lost and nothing mathers. I prefer a right-wing dictatorship instead of a dictatorship pretending to be left-wing while following right-wing policies. if anything its a little bit more honest.

Karl Marx's Camel
6th August 2006, 01:58
Okay.

We should not forget that the Cuban military (including a large amount of the political leaders in Cuba) must have a huge amount of experience from its campaigns in South America and Africa, and has most likely gathered a huge amount of experience.

Cuba was one of the top three or four most active players in the cold war.
Warfare is not something new to the Cuban military.

RevolutionaryMarxist
6th August 2006, 02:01
It ain't new either to a military around with effective warring methods for hundreds of years :P

Jiub
13th August 2006, 21:08
Originally posted by Zikan+Aug 5 2006, 10:49 PM--> (Zikan @ Aug 5 2006, 10:49 PM)
[email protected] 5 2006, 10:35 PM
I think the China option might be quite possible, Cuba has oil riches and good hospitals which foreigners could use, maybe they'll use it to power the economy and create a bourgeios class who profit from it.
Then the revolution is lost and nothing mathers. I prefer a right-wing dictatorship instead of a dictatorship pretending to be left-wing while following right-wing policies. if anything its a little bit more honest. [/b]
Agreed, a right-wing dictatorship wouldn't give a wrong outside impression of communism.

Clarksist
14th August 2006, 07:14
The only thing I really disagreed with in the article is the line that Raul Castro is less "ideologically rigid" then Fidel. Even though it is Raul who was a marxist during the revolution, and Fidel merely sided with the Communists post-revolution.

Other then that, I'd have to say it is pretty dead on. I really think that it would be great for Fidel to die, and people notice that the country has a democratic system in use right now that can continue with or without Fidel.

I'm afraid that yanqui fists will "sort things out", however, and that's the shame of it all.

Rollo
14th August 2006, 08:18
Most of the US army is either guarding mexico or in the middle east.