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Hayduke
3rd August 2006, 18:13
All the old crap of the thirties is coming back again--the shit about the "class line," the "role of the working class," the "trained cadres," the "vanguard party," and the "proletarian dictatorship." It's all back again, and in a more vulgarized form than ever. The Progressive Labor Party is not the only example, it is merely the worst. One smells the same shit in various offshoots of SDS, and in the Marxist and Socialist clubs on campuses, not to speak of the Trotskyist groups, the International Socialist Clubs and the Youth Against War and Fascism.

In the thirties, at least it was understandable. The United States was paralyzed by a chronic economic crisis, the deepest and the longest in its history. The only living forces that seemed to be battering at the walls of capitalism were the great organizing drives of the CIO, with their dramatic sitdown strikes, their radical militancy, and their bloody clashed with the police. The political atmosphere through the entire world was charged by the electricity of the Spanish Civil War, the last of the classical worker's revolutions, when every radical sect in the American left could identify with its own militia columns in Madrid and Barcelona. That was thirty years ago. It was a time when anyone who cried out "Make love, not war" would have been regarded as a freak; the cry then was "Make jobs, not war"--the cry of an age burdened by scarcity, when the achievement of socialism entailed "sacrifices" and a "transition period" to an economy of material abundance. To an eighteen-year old kid in 1937 the very concept of cybernation would have seemed like the wildest science fiction, a fantasy comparable to visions of space travel. That eighteen-year-old kid has now reach fifty years of age, and his roots are planted in an era so remote as to differ qualitatively from the realities of the present period in the United States. Capitalism itself has changed since then, taking on increasingly statified forms that could be anticipated only dimly thirty years ago. And now we are being asked to go back to the "class line," the "strategies," the "cadres" and the organizational forms of that distant period in almost blatant disregard of the new issues and possibilities that have emerged.

When the hell are we finally going to create a movement that looks to the future instead of the past? When will we begin to learn from what is being born instead of what is dying? Marx, to his lasting credit, tried to do that in his own day; he tried to evoke a futuristic spirit in the revolutionary movement of the 1840's and 1850's. "The tradition of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brain of the living," he wrong in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte. "And when they seem to be engaged in revolutionizing themselves and things, in creating something entirely new, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service and borrow from them names, battle slogans and costumes in order to present the new scene of world history in this time-honored disguise and borrowed language. Thus Luther donned the mask of the Apostle Paul, the revolution of 1789 to 1814 draped itself alternately as the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the revolution of 1848 knew nothing better than to parody, in turn, 1789 and the tradition of 1793 to 1795....The social revolution of the nineteenth century cannot draw its poetry from the past, but only from the future. It cannot begin with itself before it has stripped off all superstition in regard to the past....In order to arrive at its content, the revolution of the nineteenth century must let the dead bury their dead. There the phrase went beyond the content, here the content goes beyond the phrase."

Is the problem any different today, as we approach the twenty-first century? Once again the dead are walking in our midst--ironically, draped in the name of Marx, the man who tried to bury the dead of the nineteenth century. So the revolution of our own day can do nothing better than parody, in turn, the October Revolution of 1917 and the civil war of 1918-1920, with its "class line," its Bolshevik Party, its "proletarian dictatorship," its puritanical morality, and even its slogan, "soviet power." The complete, all-sided revolution of our own day that can finally resolve the historic "social question," born of scarcity, domination and hierarchy, follows the tradition of the partial, the incomplete, the one-sided revolutions of the past, which merely changed the form of the "social question," replacing one system of domination and hierarchy by another. At a time when bourgeois society itself is in the process of disintegrating all the social classes that once gave it stability, we hear the hollow demands for a "class line." At a time when all the political institutions of hierarchical society are entering a period of profound decay, we hear the hollow demands for a "political party" and a "worker's state." At a time when hierarchy as such is being brought into question, we hear the hollow demands for "cadres," "vanguards" and "leaders." At a time when centralization and the state have been brought to the most explosive point of historical negativity, we hear the hollow demands for a "centralized movement" and a "proletarian dictatorship."

This pursuit of security in the past, this attempt to find a haven in a fixed dogma and an organizational hierarchy as substitutes for creative thought and praxis is bitter evidence of how little many revolutionaries are capable of "revolutionizing themselves and things," much less of revolutionizing society as a whole. The deep-rooted conservatism of the PLP1 "revolutionaries" is almost painfully evident; the authoritarian leader and hierarchy replace the patriarch and the school bureaucracy; the discipline of the Movement replaces the discipline of bourgeois society; the authoritarian code of political obedience replaces the state; the credo of "proletarian morality" replaces the mores of puritanism and the work ethic. The old substance of exploitative society reappears in new forms, draped in a red flag, decorated by portraits of Mao (or Castro or Che) and adorned with the little "Red Book" and other sacred litanies.

The majority of the people who remain in the PLP today deserve it. If they can live with a movement that cynically dubs its own slogans into photographs of DRUM pickets;2 if they can read a magazine that asks whether Marcuse is a "copout or cop"; if they can accept a "discipline" that reduces them to poker-faced, programmed automata; if they can use the most disgusting techniques (techniques borrowed from the cesspool of bourgeois business operations and parliamentarianism) to manipulate other organizations; if they can parasitize virtually every action and situation merely to promote the growth of their party--even if this means defeat for the action itself--then they are beneath contempt. For these people to all themselves reds and describe attacks upon them as redbaiting is a form of McCarthyism in reverse. To rephrase Trotsky's juicy description of Stalinism, they are the syphilis of the radical youth movement today. And for syphilis there is only one treatment--an antibiotic, not an argument.

Our concern here is with those honest revolutionaries who have turned to Marxism, Leninism or Trotskyism because they earnestly seek a coherent social outlook and an effective strategy of revolution. We are also concerned with those who are awed by the theoretical repertory of Marxist ideology and are disposed to flirt with it in the absence of more systematic alternatives. To these people we address ourselves as brothers and sisters and ask for a serious discussion and a comprehensive re-evaluation. We believe that Marxism has ceased to be applicable to our time not because it is too visionary or revolutionary, but because it is not visionary or revolutionary enough. We believe it was born of an era of scarcity and presented as a brilliant critique of that era, specifically of industrial capitalism, and that a new era is in birth which Marxism does not adequately encompass and whose outlines it only partially and onesidedly anticipated. We argue that the problem is not to "abandon" Marxism, or to "annul" it, but to transcend it dialectically, just as Marx transcended Hegelian philosophy, Ricardian economics, and Blanquist tactics and modes of organization. We shall argue that in a more advanced stage of capitalism than Marx dealt with a century ago, and in a more advanced stage of technological development than Marx could have clearly anticipated, a new critique is necessary, which in turn yields new modes of struggle, or organization, of propaganda and of lifestyle. Call these new modes whatever you wish. We have chosen to call this new approach post-scarcity anarchism, for a number of compelling reasons which will become evident in the pages that follow.

THE HISTORICAL LIMITS OF MARXISM

The idea that a man whose greatest theoretical contributions were made between 1840 and 1880 could "foresee" the entire dialectic of capitalism is, on the face of it, utterly preposterous. If we can still learn much from Marx's insights, we can learn even more from the unavoidable errors of a man who was limited by an era of material scarcity and a technology that barely involved the use of electric power. We can learn how different our own era is from that of all past history, how qualitatively new are the potentialities that confront us, how unique are the issues, analyses and praxis that stand before us if we are to make a revolution and not another historical abortion.

The problem is not that Marxism is a "method" which must be reapplied to "new situations" or that "neo-Marxism" has to be developed to overcome the limitations of "classical Marxism." The attempt to rescue the Marxism pedigree by emphasizing the method over the system or by adding "neo" to a sacred word is sheer mystification if all the practical conclusions of the system flatly contradict these efforts.3 Yet this is precisely the state of affairs in Marxian exegesis today. Marxists lean on the fact that the system provides a brilliant interpretation of the past while willfully ignoring its utterly misleading features in dealing with the present and future. They cite the coherence that historical materialism and the class analysis give to the interpretation of history, the economic insights of Capital provides into the development of industrial capitalism, and the brilliance of Marx's analysis of earlier revolutions and the tactical conclusions he established, without once recognizing that qualitatively new problems have arisen which never existed in his day. Is it conceivable that historical problems and methods of class analysis based entirely on unavoidable scarcity can be transplanted into a new era of potential abundance? Is it conceivable that an economic analysis focused primarily on a "freely competitive" system of industrial capitalism can be transferred to a managed system of capitalism, where state and monopolies combine to manipulate economic life? Is it conceivable that a strategic and tactical repertory formulated in a period when steel and coal constituted the basis of industrial technology can be transferred to ana ge based on radically new sources of energy, on electronics, on cybernation?

As a result of this transfer, a theoretical corpus which was liberating a century ago is turned into a straitjacket today. We are asked to focus on the working class as the "agent" of revolutionary change at a time when capitalism visibly antagonizes and produces revolutionaries among virtually all strata of society, particularly the young. We are asked to guide our tactical methods by the vision of a "chronic economic crisis" despite the fact that no such crisis has been in the offing for thirty years,4 We are asked to accept a "proletarian dictatorship"--a long "transitional period" whose function is not merely the suppression of counter-revolutionaries but above all the development of a technology of abundance--at a time when a technology of abundance is at hand. We are asked to orient our "strategies" and "tactics" around poverty and material immiseration at a time when revolutionary sentiment is being generated by the banality of life under conditions of material abundance. We are asked to establish political parties, centralized organizations, "revolutionary" hierarchies and elites, and a new state at a time when political institutions as such are decaying and when centralizing, elitism and the state are being brought into question on a scale that has never occurred before in the history of hierarchical society.

We are asked, in short, to return to the past, to diminish instead of grow, to force the throbbing reality of our times, with its hopes and promises, into the deadening preconceptions of an outlived age. We are asked to operate with principles that have been transcended not only theoretically but by the very development of society itself. History has not stood still since Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky died, nor has it followed the simplistic direction which was charted out by thinkers--however brilliant--whose minds were still rooted in the nineteenth century or in the opening years of the twentieth. We have seen capitalism itself perform many of the tasks (including the development of a technology of abundance) which were regarded as socialist; we have seen it "nationalize" property, merging the economy with the state wherever necessary. We have seen the working class neutralized as the "agent of revolutionary change," albeit still struggling with a bourgeois framework for more wages, shorter hours and "fringe" benefits. The class struggle in the classical sense has not disappeared; it has suffered a more deadening fate by being co-opted into capitalism. The revolutionary struggle within the advanced capitalist countries has shifted into a historically new terrain: it has become a struggle between a generation of youth that has known no chronic economic crisis the culture, values, and institutions of an older, conservative generation whose perspective on life has been shaped by scarcity, guilt, renunciation, the work ethic and the pursuit of material security. Our enemies are not only the visibly entrenched bourgeoisie and the state apparatus but also an outlook which finds its support among liberals, social democrats, the minions of a corrupt mass media, the "revolutionary" parties of the past, and, painful as it may be to the acolytes of Marxism, the worker dominated by the factory hierarchy, by the industrial routine, and by the work ethic. The point is that the divisions now cut across virtually all the traditional class lines and they raise a spectrum of problems that none of the Marxists, leaning on analogies with scarcity societies, could foresee.

THE MYTH OF THE PROLETARIAT

Let us cast aside all the ideological debris of the past and cut to the theoretical roots of the problem. For our age, Marx's greatest contribution to revolutionary thought is his dialectic of social development. Marx laid bare the great movement from primitive communism through private property to communism to its highest form--a communal society resting on a liberatory technology. In this movement, according to Marx, man passes on from the domination of man by nature, to the domination of man by man, and finally to the domination of nature by man5 and from social domination of such. Within this larger dialectic, Marx examines the dialectic of capitalism itself--a social system which constitutes the last historical "stage" in the domination of man by man. Here, Marx makes not only profound contributions to contemporary revolutionary thought (particularly in his brilliant analysis of the commodity relationship) but also exhibits those limitations of time and place that play so confining a role in our own time.

The most serious of these limitations emerges from Marx's attempt to explain the transition from capitalism to socialism, from a class society to a classless society. It is vitally important to emphasize that this explanation was reasoned out almost entirely by analogy with the transition of feudalism to capitalism--that is, from one class society to another class society, from one system of property to another. Accordingly, Marx points out that just as the bourgeoisie developed within feudalism as a result of the split between town and country (more precisely, between crafts and agriculture), so the modern proletariat developed within capitalism as a result of the advance of industrial technology. Both classes, we are told, develop social interests of their own--indeed, revolutionary social interests that throw them against the old society in which they were spawned. If the bourgeoisie gained control over economic life long before it overthrew feudal society, the proletariat, in turn, gains its own revolutionary power by the fact that it is "disciplined, united, organized" by the factory system.6 In both cases, the development of the productive forces becomes incompatible with the traditional system of social relations. "The integument is burst asunder." The old society is replaced by the new.

The critical question we face is this: can we explain the transition from a class society to a classless society by means of the same dialectic that accounts for the transition of one class society to another? This is not a textbook problem that involves the judging of logical abstractions but a very real and concrete issue for our time. There are profound differences between the development of the bourgeoisie under feudalism and the development of the proletariat under capitalism which Marx either failed to anticipate or never faced clearly. The bourgeoisie controlled economic life long before it took state power; it had become the dominant class materially, culturally and ideologically before it asserted its dominance politically. The proletariat does not control economic life. Despite its indispensable role in the industrial process, the industrial working class is not even a majority of the population, and its strategic economic position is being eroded by cybernation and other technological advances.7 Hence it requires an act of high consciousness for the proletariat to use its power to achieve a social revolution. Until now, the achievement of this consciousness has been blocked by the fact that the factory milieu is one of the most well entrenched arenas of the work ethic, of hierarchical systems of management, of obedience to leaders, and in recent times of production committed to superfluous commodities and armaments. The factory serves not only to "discipline," "unite," and "organize" the workers, but also to do so in a thoroughly bourgeois fashion. In the factory, capitalistic production not only renews the social relations of capitalism with each working day, as Marx observed, it also renews the psyche, values and ideologies of capitalism.

Marx sensed this fact sufficiently to look for reasons more compelling than the mere fact of exploitation or conflicts over wages and hours to propel the proletariat into revolutionary action. In his general theory of capitalist accumulation he tried to delineate the harsh, objective laws that force the proletariat to assume a revolutionary role. Accordingly, he developed his famous theory of immiseration: competition between capitalists compels them to undercut each other's prices, which in turn leads to a continual reduction of wages and the absolute impoverishment of the workers. The proletariat is compelled to revolt because with the process of competition and the centralization of capital there "grows the mass of misery, oppression, slavery, degradation."8

But capitalism has not stood still since Marx's day. Writing in the middle years of the nineteenth century, Marx could not be expected to grasp the full consequences of his insights into the centralization of capital and the development of technology. He could not be expected to foresee that capitalism would develop not only from mercantilism into the dominant industrial form of his day--from state-aided trading monopolies into highly competitive industrial units--but further, that with the centralization of capital, capitalism returns to its mercantilist origins on a higher level of development and reassumes the state-aided monopolistic form. The economy tends to merge with the state and capitalism begins to "plan" its development instead of leaving it exclusively to the interplay of competition an market forces. To be sure, the system does not abolish the traditional class struggle, but manages to contain it, using its immense technological resources to assimilate the most strategic sections of the working class.

Thus the full thrust of the immiseration theory is blunted and in the United States the traditional class struggle fails to develop into the class war. It remains entirely within bourgeois dimensions. Marxism, in fact, becomes ideology. It is assimilated by the most advanced forms of state capitalist movement--notably Russia. By an incredible irony of history, Marxian "socialism" turns out to be in large part the very state capitalism that Marx failed to anticipate in the dialectic of capitalism.9 The proletariat, instead of developing into a revolutionary class within the womb of capitalism, turns out to be an organ within the body of bourgeois society.

The question we must ask at this late date in history is whether a social revolution that seeks to achieve a classless society can emerge from a conflict between traditional classes in a class society, or whether such a social revolution can only emerge from the decomposition of the traditional classes, indeed from the emergence of an entirely new "class" whose very essence is that it is a non-class, a growing stratum of revolutionaries. In trying to answer this question, we can learn more by returning to the broader dialectic which Marx developed for human society as a whole than from the model he borrowed from the passage of feudal into capitalist society. Just as primitive kinship clans began to differentiate into classes, so in our own day there is a tendency for classes to decompose into entirely new subcultures which bear a resemblance to non-capitalist forms of relationships. These are not strictly economic groups anymore; in fact, they reflect the tendency of the social development to transcend the economic categories of scarcity society. They constitute, in effect, a crude, ambiguous cultural preformation of the movement of scarcity into post-scarcity society.

The process of class decomposition must be understood in all its dimensions. The word "process" must be emphasized here: the traditional classes do not disappear, nor for that matter does class struggle. Only a social revolution could remove the prevailing class structure and the conflict engenders. The point is the traditional class struggle ceases to have revolutionary implications; it reveals itself as the physiology of the prevailing society, not as the labor pains of birth. In fact the traditional class struggle stabilizes capitalist society by "correcting" its abuses (in wages, hours, inflation, employment, etc.). The unions in capitalist society constitute themselves into a counter-"monopoly" to the industrial monopolies and are incorporated into the neomercantile statified econnomy as an estate. Within this estate there are lesser or greater conflicts, but taken as a whole the unions strengthen the system and serve to perpetuate it.

To reinforce this class structure by babbling about the "role of the working class," to reinforce the traditional class struggle by imputing a "revolutionary" content to it, to infect the new revolutionary movement of our time with "workeritis" is reactionary to the core. How often do the Marxian doctrinaires have to be reminded that the history of the class struggle is the history of a disease, of the wounds opened by the famous "social question," of man's one-sided development in trying to gain control over nature by dominating his fellow man? If the byproduct of this disease has been technological advance, the main products have been repression, a horrible shedding of human blood and a terrifying distortion of the human psyche.

As the disease approaches its end, as the wound begins to heal in their deepest recesses, the process now unfolds toward wholeness; the revolutionary implications of the traditional class struggle lose their meaning as theoretical constructs and as social reality. The process of decomposition embraces not only the traditional class structure but also the patriarchal family, authoritarian modes of upbringing, the influence of religion, the institutions of the state, and the mores built around toil, renunciation, guilt and repressed sexuality. The process of disintegration in shirt, now becaaomes generalized and cuts across virtually all the traditional classes, values and institutions. It creates entirely new issues, modes of struggle and forms of organization and calls for an entirely new approach to theory and praxis.

What does this mean concretely? Let us contrast two approaches, the Marxian and the revolutionary. The Marxian doctrinaire would have us approach the worker--or better, "enter" the factory--and proselytize him in "preference" to anyone else. The purpose?--to make the worker "class conscious." To cite the most neanderthal examples from the old left, one cuts one's hair, grooms oneself in conventional sports clothing, abandons pot for cigarettes and beer, dances conventionally, affects "rough" mannerisms, and develops a humorless, deadpan and pompous mien.10

One becomes, in short, what the worker at his most caricaturized worst: not a "petty bourgeois degenerate," to be sure, but a bourgeois degenerate. One becomes an imitation of the worker insofar as the worker is an imitation of his masters. Beneath the metamorphosis of the student into the "worker" lies a vicious cynicism. One tries to use the discipline inculcated by the factory milieu to discipline the worker to the party milieu. One tries to use the worker's respect for the industrial hierarchy to wed to worker to the party hierarchy. This disgusting process, which if successful could lead only to the substitution of one hierarchy for another, is achieved by pretending to be concerned with the worker's economic day-to-day demands. Even Marxian theory is degraded to accord with this debased image of the worker. (See almost any copy of Challenge--the National Enquirer of the left. Nothing bores the worker more than this kind of literature.) In the end, the worker is shrewd enough to know what he will get better results in the day-to-day class struggle through his union bureaucracy than through a Marxian party bureaucracy. The forties revealed this so dramatically that within a year or two, with hardly any protest from the rank-and-file, unions succeeded in kicking out by the thousands "Marxians" who had done spade-work in the labor movement for more than a decade, even rising to the top leadership of the old CIO internationals.

The worker becomes a revolutionary not by becoming more of a worker but by undoing his "workerness." And in this he is not alone; the same applies to the farmer, the student, the clerk, the soldier, the bureaucrat, the professional--and the Marxist. The worker is no less a "bourgeois" than the farmer, student, clerk, soldier, bureaucrat, professional--and Marxist. His "workerness" is the disease he is suffering from, the social affliction telescoped to individual dimensions. Lenin understood this in What Is to Be Done? but he smuggled in the old hierarchy under a red flag and some revolutionary verbiage. The worker begins to become a revolutionary when he undoes his "workerness,"

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Footnotes

1 These lines were written when the Progressive Labor Party (PLP) exercised a great deal of influence in SDS. Although the PLP has now lost most of its influence in the student movement, the organization still provides a good example of the mentality and values prevalent in the Old Left. The above characterization is equally valid for most Marxist-Leninist groups, hence this passage and other references to the PLP have not been substantially altered.
2 The Dodge Revolutionary Union Movement, part of the Detroit-based League of Revolutionary Bloack Workers.
3 Marxism is above all a theory of praxis, or to place this relationship in its correct perspective, a praxis of theory. This is the very meaning of Marx's transformation of dialectics, which took it from the subjective dimension (to which the Young Hegelians still tried to confine Hegel's outlook) into the objective, from philosophical critique into social action. If theory and praxis become divorced, Marxism is not killed, it commits suicide. This is its most admirable and noble feature. The attempts of the cretins who follow in Marx's wake to keep the system alive with a patchwork of emendations, exegenesis, and half-assed "scholarship" ŕ la Maurice Dobb and George Novack are degrading insults to Marx's name and a disgusting pollution of everything he stood for.
4 In fact Marxists do very little talking about the "chronic [economic] crisis of capitalism" these days---despite the fact that this concept forms the focal point of Marx's economic theories.
5 For ecological reasons, we do not accept the notion of the "domination of nature by man" in the simplistic sense that was passed on by Marx a century ago. For a discussion of this problem, see "Ecology and Revolutionary Thought."
6 It is ironic that Marxists who talk about the "economic power" of the proletariat are actually echoing the position of the anarcho-syndicalists, a position that Marx bitterly opposed. Marx was not concerned with the "economic power" of the proletariat but with its political power; notably the fact that it would become the majority of the population. He was convinced that the industrial workers would be driven to revolution primarily by material destitution which would follow from the tendency of capitalist accumulation; that, organized by the factory system and disciplined by an industrial routine, they would be able to constitute trade unions and, above all, political parties, which in some countries would be obliged to use insurrectionary methods and in others (English, the United States, and in later years Engels added France) might well come to power in elections and legislate socialism into existence. Characteristically, the Progressive Labor Party has been with the readers of Challenge, leaving important observations untranslated or grossly distorting Marx's meaning.
7 This is as good a place as any to dispose of the notion that anyone is a "proletarian" who has nothing to sell but his labor power. It is true that Marx defined the proletariat in these terms, but he also worked out a historical dialectic in the development of the proletariat. The proletariat develope out of a propertyless exploited class, reaching its most advanced form in the industrial proletariat, which corresponded to the most advanced form of capital. In the later years of his life, Marx came to despise the Parisian workers, who were engaged preponderantly in the production of luxury goods, citing "our German workers"--the most robot-like in Europe--as the "model" proletariat of the world.
8 The attempt to describe Marx's immiseration theory in international terms instead of national (as Marx did) is sheer subterfuge. In the first place, this theoretical legerdemain simply tries to sidestep the question of why immiseration has not occurred within the industrial strongholds of capitalism, the only areas which form a technologically adequate point of departure for a classless society. If we are to pin our hopes on the colonial world as "the proletariat," this position conceals a very real danger: genocide. America and her recent ally Russia have all the technical means to bomb the underdeveloped world into submission. A threat lurks on the historical horizon--the development of the United States into a truly fascist imperium of the nazi type. It is sheer rubbish to say that this country is a "paper tiger." It is a thermonuclear tiger and the American ruling class, lacking any cultural restraints, is capable of being even more vicious than the German.
9 Lenin sensed this and described "socialism" as "nothing but state capitalist monopoly made to benefit the whole people." This is an extraordinary statement if one thinks out its implications, and a mouthful of contradictions.
10 On this score, the Old Left projects its own neanderthal image on the American worker. Actually this image more closely approximates the character of the union bureaucrat or the Stalinist commissar.

black magick hustla
3rd August 2006, 22:31
Every Maoist and some Marxist-Leninists should read this.

Good old Bookchin, RIP.

Janus
4th August 2006, 00:13
Very good article, I enjoyed reading it.

The first part seems to deal with the Old Left vs. New Left debate, a conflict that has been somewhat resolved at this point.


We have seen the working class neutralized as the "agent of revolutionary change," albeit still struggling with a bourgeois framework for more wages, shorter hours and "fringe" benefits.
I'm not sure about that. I think "within" would've been a better word so it may have been a typo of some sort.

I think the author made some good points in the later parts concerning how a transition from a class society to a classless society would work especially since it would be much more radical than any such preceding changes.


The critical question we face is this: can we explain the transition from a class society to a classless society by means of the same dialectic that accounts for the transition of one class society to another? This is not a textbook problem that involves the judging of logical abstractions but a very real and concrete issue for our time. There are profound differences between the development of the bourgeoisie under feudalism and the development of the proletariat under capitalism which Marx either failed to anticipate or never faced clearly. The bourgeoisie controlled economic life long before it took state power; it had become the dominant class materially, culturally and ideologically before it asserted its dominance politically. The proletariat does not control economic life. Despite its indispensable role in the industrial process, the industrial working class is not even a majority of the population, and its strategic economic position is being eroded by cybernation and other technological advances.7 Hence it requires an act of high consciousness for the proletariat to use its power to achieve a social revolution. Until now, the achievement of this consciousness has been blocked by the fact that the factory milieu is one of the most well entrenched arenas of the work ethic, of hierarchical systems of management, of obedience to leaders, and in recent times of production committed to superfluous commodities and armaments. The factory serves not only to "discipline," "unite," and "organize" the workers, but also to do so in a thoroughly bourgeois fashion. In the factory, capitalistic production not only renews the social relations of capitalism with each working day, as Marx observed, it also renews the psyche, values and ideologies of capitalism.

I would like to very much see some debate on these points raised in the latter part of the article.

Whitten
4th August 2006, 00:31
The proletariat does not control economic life. Despite its indispensable role in the industrial process, the industrial working class is not even a majority of the population, and its strategic economic position is being eroded by cybernation and other technological advances.7 Hence it requires an act of high consciousness for the proletariat to use its power to achieve a social revolution. Until now, the achievement of this consciousness has been blocked by the fact that the factory milieu is one of the most well entrenched arenas of the work ethic, of hierarchical systems of management, of obedience to leaders, and in recent times of production committed to superfluous commodities and armaments. The factory serves not only to "discipline," "unite," and "organize" the workers, but also to do so in a thoroughly bourgeois fashion. In the factory, capitalistic production not only renews the social relations of capitalism with each working day, as Marx observed, it also renews the psyche, values and ideologies of capitalism.

I disagree with this part. The more and more work done by machines and computers, the less the necessary labour of the proletariat. Eventually we will reach a point where the labour necessary of humans will be so minimal, that it will force us into a form of socialism. Whether through the bourgeois simply stepping out of power, by distributing resources fairly amongst the people, or by them distributing less resources to the proletariate due to the lack of need for the their labour. Which would push the revolution through. I need to give it more though and think it through in more detail

Janus
4th August 2006, 00:34
Eventually we will reach a point where the labour necessary of humans will be so minimal, that it will force us into a form of socialism. Whether through the bourgeois simply stepping out of power, by distributing resources fairly amongst the people, or by them distributing less resources to the proletariate due to the lack of need for the their labour.
I would think the very opposite, that this would make the bourgeois less dependent on the proletariat. Besides, I don't see why you would simply count on technological development for socialism to develop.

bloody_capitalist_sham
4th August 2006, 00:39
Wow, I really liked that article and seemed to understand most of it :o

Where can i read to the rest of it or is that all there is?

The article really said a lot of how i feel, but could never explain. Especially the part about substituting bourgeois hierarchy, discipline with party hierarchy, discipline.

And all religions being replaced with the state cult of personality. Mao's little red book, being like the bible and stuff.

It does concern me when i read stuff that it critical of Marx, and find it hard not to agree.

I would like Rosa Lichtenstein's appraisal on this piece, its a good way of knowing whether or not what I have just read has been total crap or not.

Hayduke
4th August 2006, 01:06
It does concern me when i read stuff that it critical of Marx, and find it hard not to agree.

I would like Rosa Lichtenstein's appraisal on this piece, its a good way of knowing whether or not what I have just read has been total crap or not.

Learn to think for yourself, if this explains how you feel , then that's it.

Janus
4th August 2006, 01:08
And all religions being replaced with the state cult of personality. Mao's little red book, being like the bible and stuff.
I saw no mention of that.


It does concern me when i read stuff that it critical of Marx, and find it hard not to agree.
The article doesn't criticize Marx as much as stating that his analysis is limited due to the fact that he couldn't have accounted for the progression of capitalism.


I would like Rosa Lichtenstein's appraisal on this piece, its a good way of knowing whether or not what I have just read has been total crap or not.
:blink: Better yet, you should rely on yourself rather than others to tell you what to think.

bloody_capitalist_sham
4th August 2006, 01:57
I saw no mention of that.


This pursuit of security in the past, this attempt to find a haven in a fixed dogma and an organizational hierarchy as substitutes for creative thought and praxis is bitter evidence of how little many revolutionaries are capable of "revolutionizing themselves and things," much less of revolutionizing society as a whole. The deep-rooted conservatism of the PLP1 "revolutionaries" is almost painfully evident; the authoritarian leader and hierarchy replace the patriarch and the school bureaucracy; the discipline of the Movement replaces the discipline of bourgeois society; the authoritarian code of political obedience replaces the state; the credo of "proletarian morality" replaces the mores of puritanism and the work ethic. The old substance of exploitative society reappears in new forms, draped in a red flag, decorated by portraits of Mao (or Castro or Che) and adorned with the little "Red Book" and other sacred litanies.



Learn to think for yourself, if this explains how you feel , then that's it.


blink.gif Better yet, you should rely on yourself rather than others to tell you what to think.

I know i should, but to be honest people dont always tell the truth. Im rubbish at being critical of leftists, because it all sounds good to me. And Rosa is pretty good at being critical.

Janus
4th August 2006, 02:00
That discussed the hierarchal structure rather than religion. I wouldn't necessarily compare a personality cult to a religion though it is something that should definitely not be accepted.


And Rosa is pretty good at being critical.
Following "idols" will mislead you just as much.

bloody_capitalist_sham
4th August 2006, 02:19
Following "idols" will mislead you just as much.

:o

I'm not following any "idol"



I've merely learned that some people on this forum are more critical than other people. And i can see who is able to make a good point and defend it and who are not able to.



That discussed the hierarchal structure rather than religion. I wouldn't necessarily compare a personality cult to a religion though it is something that should definitely not be accepted

It can seem like it though. And the passage i bolded, gave me that impression.

I am going to order 'post scarcity anarchism' now.

Janus
4th August 2006, 02:33
I've merely learned that some people on this forum are more critical than other people. And i can see who is able to make a good point and defend it and who are not able to.
Fair enough, all I meant to say was that you should formulate your opinions before agreeing with another's.


The worker becomes a revolutionary not by becoming more of a worker but by undoing his "workerness." And in this he is not alone; the same applies to the farmer, the student, the clerk, the soldier, the bureaucrat, the professional--and the Marxist. The worker is no less a "bourgeois" than the farmer, student, clerk, soldier, bureaucrat, professional--and Marxist. His "workerness" is the disease he is suffering from, the social affliction telescoped to individual dimensions.
I think this type of cultural liberation is quite a good idea but the way in which the author props this up while slashing at class struggle seems idealistic in a way. The author clearly recognizes that the ruling classes's ideas are quite dominant yet asks the worker to shed these fetters before the material ones?

Janus
4th August 2006, 02:39
To reinforce this class structure by babbling about the "role of the working class," to reinforce the traditional class struggle by imputing a "revolutionary" content to it, to infect the new revolutionary movement of our time with "workeritis" is reactionary to the core. How often do the Marxian doctrinaires have to be reminded that the history of the class struggle is the history of a disease, of the wounds opened by the famous "social question," of man's one-sided development in trying to gain control over nature by dominating his fellow man? If the byproduct of this disease has been technological advance, the main products have been repression, a horrible shedding of human blood and a terrifying distortion of the human psyche.
I don't see why the author is so disdainful of "Old Left" ideas. Yes, the rigidity of it was harmful in its applications but the lessons are still there and we should learn from them. Class struggle is not some type of stigma but something that is occuring all around us.


As the disease approaches its end, as the wound begins to heal in their deepest recesses, the process now unfolds toward wholeness; the revolutionary implications of the traditional class struggle lose their meaning as theoretical constructs and as social reality. The process of decomposition embraces not only the traditional class structure but also the patriarchal family, authoritarian modes of upbringing, the influence of religion, the institutions of the state, and the mores built around toil, renunciation, guilt and repressed sexuality. The process of disintegration in shirt, now becaaomes generalized and cuts across virtually all the traditional classes, values and institutions. It creates entirely new issues, modes of struggle and forms of organization and calls for an entirely new approach to theory and praxis.
I agree with this form of broader social activism and see that these changes have affected our struggle but certain aspects of it remain the same even though this author denies it.

kurt
4th August 2006, 02:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 03:34 PM

The worker becomes a revolutionary not by becoming more of a worker but by undoing his "workerness." And in this he is not alone; the same applies to the farmer, the student, the clerk, the soldier, the bureaucrat, the professional--and the Marxist. The worker is no less a "bourgeois" than the farmer, student, clerk, soldier, bureaucrat, professional--and Marxist. His "workerness" is the disease he is suffering from, the social affliction telescoped to individual dimensions.
I think this type of cultural liberation is quite a good idea but the way in which the author props this up while slashing at class struggle seems idealistic in a way. The author clearly recognizes that the ruling classes's ideas are quite dominant yet asks the worker to shed these fetters before the material ones?
I think this implies more than simply an idealist approach. It seems like a complete renunciation of class struggle.

If "farmers", and "bureaucrats" are just as bourgeois as a worker, then it is essentially a renunciation of class struggle, like I said, as it would appear he doesn't care what class background a revolutionary comes from. To him, it would appear that as long as his rhetoric is good, he's a revolutionary, social consciousness not withstanding.

Comrade-Z
4th August 2006, 02:50
Overall, I think that the author mistakenly assumes that Marxism necessarily leads to "cadres," "vanguards" and "leaders." I wonder if the author realized that this is not the case, if it would change his/her outlook.


The deep-rooted conservatism of the PLP1 "revolutionaries" is almost painfully evident

The critique of the Old Left and the PLP is spot-on. Do we even have any significantly large Old Left parties in existence anymore? Is this still an issue?


We argue that the problem is not to "abandon" Marxism, or to "annul" it, but to transcend it dialectically, just as Marx transcended Hegelian philosophy, Ricardian economics, and Blanquist tactics and modes of organization.

I really have no idea what the author means by "transcend it dialectically." I get a feeling that any time that word comes up, there's sloppy thinking present. Use plain English!


We shall argue that in a more advanced stage of capitalism than Marx dealt with a century ago, and in a more advanced stage of technological development than Marx could have clearly anticipated, a new critique is necessary, which in turn yields new modes of struggle, or organization, of propaganda and of lifestyle.

I have no problem with searching for new modes of struggle, organization, propaganda, and "lifestyle," but why do they think they have a better critique than Marxism? These new modes of struggle can be found through a fresh and creative application of Marxism. If their non-Marxist critique makes more sense, great, but I have yet to see that.


The idea that a man whose greatest theoretical contributions were made between 1840 and 1880 could "foresee" the entire dialectic of capitalism is, on the face of it, utterly preposterous.

Correct, and thus I would treat any of Marx's conclusions about proposed revolutionary activities with extreme re-evaluation. Nonetheless, if the fundamental system of society has not changed since then, then why would the method of inquiry be obsolete?


We can learn how different our own era is from that of all past history

Yeah, it's rather different on the surface, but what about the fundamental framework of society? Has that changed?


The attempt to rescue the Marxism pedigree by emphasizing the method over the system or by adding "neo" to a sacred word is sheer mystification if all the practical conclusions of the system flatly contradict these efforts.3 Yet this is precisely the state of affairs in Marxian exegesis today.

Hardly. Marxism continues to be innovative and to produce effective conclusions concerning theory and practice.


Is it conceivable that an economic analysis focused primarily on a "freely competitive" system of industrial capitalism can be transferred to a managed system of capitalism, where state and monopolies combine to manipulate economic life?

Yes, because the basic system is no different. Before you had capitalists competing (I think it is romanticizing early capitalism to call it "freely competitive"--it had its own types of restrictions, monopolies, etc.) and an executive committee of the class managing the common affairs, albeit with a smaller hand, and now you simply have a larger executive committee (State) with more functions.


We are asked to focus on the working class as the "agent" of revolutionary change at a time when capitalism visibly antagonizes and produces revolutionaries among virtually all strata of society, particularly the young.

Is this really what's going on? Do those non-proletarian revolutionaries have the same kind of revolution in mind as the proletarian ones? Do we not see examples in history of radical middle-class intellectuals fomenting a bourgeois revolution with proletarian rhetoric in order to switch bourgeois ruling classes and put themselves in the seat of power? I would be very skeptical about the support of any middle class revolutionaries. It's possible that they are "class traitors" and have looked at the current system, recognized it as going down in flames, and jumped ship so as to not be caught in its destruction, but I would still treat them with some distance.


We are asked to guide our tactical methods by the vision of a "chronic economic crisis" despite the fact that no such crisis has been in the offing for thirty years

Oh? So falling wages, falling leisure time, and ballooning debt do not increasingly trouble the proletariat of the advanced capitalist countries at this historical juncture?


We are asked to accept a "proletarian dictatorship"--a long "transitional period" whose function is not merely the suppression of counter-revolutionaries but above all the development of a technology of abundance--at a time when a technology of abundance is at hand.

Yes, clearly the long developmental transition period is obsolete, if it was ever a part of orthodox Marxism in the first place.


We are asked to orient our "strategies" and "tactics" around poverty and material immiseration at a time when revolutionary sentiment is being generated by the banality of life under conditions of material abundance.

So, the "banality of life" instead of the fettering of the production of material wealth is going to be the material foundation for communist revolution?! Give me a break! Furthermore, I suspect that the only ones finding life truly "banal" at this juncture are comfortable middle class intellectuals. Most proletarians find current economic conditions stressful and uncomfortable.


We are asked to establish political parties, centralized organizations, "revolutionary" hierarchies and elites, and a new state at a time when political institutions as such are decaying and when centralizing, elitism and the state are being brought into question on a scale that has never occurred before in the history of hierarchical society.

Yes, clearly obsolete. Possibly even regressive. Although, now that I think about it, so much fussing over the particular forms of proletarian organization is a bit beside the point. What is really essential to any modern proletarian movement is lack of obedience, distrust of leadership, lack of deference to authority, lack of passivity, assertiveness, and confidence. Even if you had a centralized state apparatus in a post-revolutionary situation, if the centralized state apparatus did something that most of the proletariat didn't like, and if the army and the proletariat as a whole are made up of individuals with the six traits described above, then the proletariat could easily remedy the situation.

Example:
"Give over control of your soviets for the good of the revolution."
Response: "Fuck you! We have taken control of society, and we intend to maintain control."


We have seen the working class neutralized as the "agent of revolutionary change," albeit still struggling with a bourgeois framework for more wages, shorter hours and "fringe" benefits.

The proletariat is only "neutralized" so long as the current economic system continues to deliver advances in standards of living (more wages, shorter hours, and fringe benefits). As soon as capitalism becomes a fetter on this advancement, watch out!


The point is that the divisions now cut across virtually all the traditional class lines

Oh? Are we seeing hordes of "Billionaires for communism!" Hordes of middle class revolutionaries? The last time I checked, the most popular petty-bourgeois ideology in the U.S. was a more or less extreme form of Christian Fascism. Has the current period really changed any compared to past periods?


The critical question we face is this: can we explain the transition from a class society to a classless society by means of the same dialectic that accounts for the transition of one class society to another? This is not a textbook problem that involves the judging of logical abstractions but a very real and concrete issue for our time. There are profound differences between the development of the bourgeoisie under feudalism and the development of the proletariat under capitalism which Marx either failed to anticipate or never faced clearly. The bourgeoisie controlled economic life long before it took state power; it had become the dominant class materially, culturally and ideologically before it asserted its dominance politically. The proletariat does not control economic life.

This is a very good point. I do think that the proletariat will have to become dominant ideologically and "culturally" before a revolution, but I don't see how the proletariat can assume control of production before assuming control of State power. It would seem that they have to happen simultaneously in this circumstance. The only exception to that that I can think of might be proletarian production and distribution of digital technology for use. Here's one instance in which the proletariat can develop the new system of production and exchange within the old society.


Despite its indispensable role in the industrial process, the industrial working class is not even a majority of the population

Ummm, industrial workers are only one component of the proletariat. The proletariat includes anybody living off of wage-slavery (even if the "wage" comes in the disguised form of a salary). Probably 80% of the U.S. is proletarian. Then there's maybe 15% of petty-bourgeoisie (managers, small business owners, self-employed--those who take part in the control and managing of capital without really having much influence on the system as a whole). Then maybe 3% peasantry/kulak petty agricultural capitalist, and then 2% capitalists. Industrial workers were the most visible aspect of the proletariat in Marx's time, so he and others focused on them in their writings, but that has changed a bit.


Accordingly, he developed his famous theory of immiseration: competition between capitalists compels them to undercut each other's prices, which in turn leads to a continual reduction of wages and the absolute impoverishment of the workers. The proletariat is compelled to revolt because with the process of competition and the centralization of capital there "grows the mass of misery, oppression, slavery, degradation."

The author is neglecting to consider one of the root causes of this more heated competition among capitalists and thus immiseration of the proletariat--the tendency of the rate of profit to fall as the organic composition of capital decreases. This would argue that the proletariat must become immiserated under capitalism...eventually. The question is, when? I think there are a number of economic indicators which point to the 1970s as the beginning of just such a process in the U.S. and Western Europe.


To be sure, the system does not abolish the traditional class struggle, but manages to contain it

As long as the capitalist system can manage to advance the means of production and its implementation (productivity is what we should really be watching--and it's still been increasing over the past decade, albeit at a much slower rate than during the '50s and '60s), then the capitalist system will be able to grant those concessions. Otherwise....?


indeed from the emergence of an entirely new "class" whose very essence is that it is a non-class, a growing stratum of revolutionaries.

But what motivates this "growing stratum of revolutionaries" to be revolutionaries? The prospect of material gain? The prospect of "overcoming the banality of modern life"? Unless you take the latter scenario seriously, it all comes back to class.


These are not strictly economic groups anymore; in fact, they reflect the tendency of the social development to transcend the economic categories of scarcity society.

Then why do its participants form these groups? What motivates them to do so? On what basis do they recognize their interests as being congruent, if not economics?


The Marxian doctrinaire would have us approach the worker--or better, "enter" the factory--and proselytize him in "preference" to anyone else. The purpose?--to make the worker "class conscious."

Hardly a Marxist strategy. You cannot instill class consciousness into people by will alone, obviously. I think the primary task of revolutionaries, until the material conditions become conducive to the proletariat developing its own revolutionary consciousness, is to constantly attack bourgeois mythology and get people to recognize capitalism for what it is, in rational terms, without obscuring myth around it--a social system centered around the production of increasing amounts of capital for those who own the means of production, a social system which is a historical inevitability, but by no means an eternal reality from now until forever, a social system which has productive capabilities with regards to certain factors of production, but which becomes obsolete when faced with different, modern factors of production, such as digital technology and the possibility of superabundant production. That way, when capitalism fails to provide for the proletariat, the proletariat can recognize what is happening for what it is (the obsolescence of capitalism) and are in a position to make the rational choice to replace it. We should attack pre-capitalist forms of thought. And we should engage in the (for the meantime, non-revolutionary) class struggle in whatever ways we see fit in order to demonstrate the proletariat's power to control and remake society, and to raise the possibility of alternatives to capitalism. When the proletariat chooses to embrace these alternatives (communism) will be up to them. Accordingly, we must combat bourgeois distortions of these alternatives in the media and elsewhere, and in all cases encourage the assertiveness and initiative of the proletariat. In no cases whatsoever should we tell other proletarians "Trust us" or "Follow us." We should be telling them "Think for yourself! Stand up for your own interests and, by extension, for all others whose interests are congruent to yours i.e. other proletarians." That's what I would call a Marxist strategy at this point in time.


The worker becomes a revolutionary not by becoming more of a worker but by undoing his "workerness."

Umm, no. Not at all. Who the hell is spewing this mythological crap? A worker becomes a revolutionary when capitalism becomes a fetter on the advancement of his well-being, and when the worker recognizes this.


And in this he is not alone; the same applies to the farmer, the student, the clerk, the soldier, the bureaucrat, the professional--and the Marxist.

Clearly we should re-evaluate our roles in society and trash the ones that are inimical to our well-being and the well-being of our class--i.e. obedient, indoctrinated student and spewer of bourgeois propaganda, professional killer for U.S. imperialism, cog in capitalist machine, etc.

Janus
4th August 2006, 02:55
If "farmers", and "bureaucrats" are just as bourgeois as a worker, then it is essentially a renunciation of class struggle, like I said, as it would appear he doesn't care what class background a revolutionary comes from. To him, it would appear that as long as his rhetoric is good, he's a revolutionary, social consciousness not withstanding.
It seems so.
But that was a line of the New Left movement.

I just did some research concerning this Murray fellow and found out that he wrote this article to persuade the SDS against its takeover by a Marxist group.

kurt
4th August 2006, 03:10
Yes, because the basic system is no different. Before you had capitalists competing (I think it is romanticizing early capitalism to call it "freely competitive"--it had its own types of restrictions, monopolies, etc.) and an executive committee of the class managing the common affairs, albeit with a smaller hand, and now you simply have a larger executive committee (State) with more functions.

Yeah, nations like Britain, USA, France all had pretty high tariff borders and trade protection, and monopolies have been forming since capitalism developed, it's nothing really new.


Oh? So falling wages, falling leisure time, and ballooning debt do not increasingly trouble the proletariat of the advanced capitalist countries at this historical juncture?

I believe Janus noted that this article was written the late 60's early 70's? If so it just goes to show us how useful what Marx was saying actually is.


Ummm, industrial workers are only one component of the proletariat.

If you want to take that even further, it's just as easy to say that all proletariat are industrial workers. Some happen to be in heavy manufacturing, whilst others are in the 'service' industry, or the 'technology' industry. I think the IWW takes the right approach with this.


The Marxian doctrinaire would have us approach the worker--or better, "enter" the factory--and proselytize him in "preference" to anyone else. The purpose?--to make the worker "class conscious."

This was a tactic by some maoist organizations during the 60's and 70s'. The UJC(M-L) in France comes to mind...

Rosa Lichtenstein
4th August 2006, 04:32
BCS:


I would like Rosa Lichtenstein's appraisal on this piece, its a good way of knowing whether or not what I have just read has been total crap or not.

I have read far too many of these 'death of marxism' essays to summon up enough energy to ....

GoaRedStar
4th August 2006, 05:32
As it has been noted this article was written in 1971 so some of the thing regarded in the article don't apply to current events.

And another thing Murray Bookchin died about 4 days ago, this is for the guys that expected a reponds.

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=53561

Guest1
4th August 2006, 06:47
It would be misguided for marxists to defend bookchin just because rosa dislikes him too.

For once, I agree with her, bookchin's analysis is stale.

It is precisely with the demise of scarcity that Marxist analysis has gained its most relevance. The proletariat continues to produce this society's wealth, as before, only now it is nothing but the bourgeois system itself that is restricting access to that wealth. There is enough food to feed the world 8 times over, but it cannot be done because it would precipitate a crash that would lead to starvation from an abundance of food.

The proletariat remains the only revolutionary class.

The reality is, the "service economy" euro-communists and liberals speak of is only a modified production economy, a successful one where profits are expanding and an artificially inflated petty-bourgeoisie is thus created. Today, that leeway is gone. Capitalism everywhere is turning to trimming the petty-bourgeoisie as a method of continuing profit growth, despite the shrinking economy. This is leading to a sharpening of class differences, and mass proletarianization of the petty-bourgeoisie.

The era of "social peace" is over. Bringing Bookchin up now is what can be referred to as "raising the dead", his analysis has absolutely no bearing on the crises we are seeing unfolding.

Janus
4th August 2006, 08:48
Oh? So falling wages, falling leisure time, and ballooning debt do not increasingly trouble the proletariat of the advanced capitalist countries at this historical juncture?
The article was written in the 60's when the US economy's health was at it's peak. It's been downhill since then as you noted.

Martin Blank
4th August 2006, 09:31
Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 3 2006, 10:48 PM
The reality is, the "service economy" euro-communists and liberals speak of is only a modified production economy, a successful one where profits are expanding and an artificially inflated petty-bourgeoisie is thus created. Today, that leeway is gone. Capitalism everywhere is turning to trimming the petty-bourgeoisie as a method of continuing profit growth, despite the shrinking economy. This is leading to a sharpening of class differences, and mass proletarianization of the petty-bourgeoisie.
Where is this "mass proletarianization of the petty bourgeoisie" taking place?

Miles

Rosa Lichtenstein
4th August 2006, 11:03
CYM:


It would be misguided for marxists to defend bookchin just because rosa dislikes him too.

Where do I say I dislike this loser?

[Even when you reluctantly agree with me, it seems you still have to invent.]

I said I could not summon up enough energy to read any more of this stuff.

Goodness knows, my brain has been insulted enough having to wade through countless books and articles on dialectical mysticism.

[But, I must not complain; it's nice to know I am some sort of standard for you all.... :D]

bloody_capitalist_sham
4th August 2006, 18:15
haha, i guess this explains why his book was only 5 quid.

Im gona read it nevertheless. There might be somthing that will be good.

Guest1
4th August 2006, 18:22
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 02:32 AM
Where is this "mass proletarianization of the petty bourgeoisie" taking place?

Miles
How often do you hear of a company expanding jobs? The rate of unemployment in the US is being kept stable only by the rise in minimum-wage jobs that are filling the gap for the enron style collapses and the massive cuts all the big companies are undertaking.

This reality has not yet caught up, because spending is continuing for the most part as though nothing has happened, but only because millions are in denial of their drop a class. In otherwords, debt is masking the change beneath the surface, and it's a deep change. I think you'll find what you're looking for if you look up the trends of minimum wage job gains, high-quality job losses, consumer spending and average household debt compared to average household income. The key is that these levels of debt cannot continue to mask this situation forever, they are comparable to the period preceding the depression, and it's a very dangerous situation that is unsustainable. Worse still, the economy is not on its way up, it is clearly trending downwards. Meaning debt will not hit the petty-bourgeois american and catch up with them when they're back in their nice job. It'll hit them when they're down and out.

Rosa Lichtenstein
4th August 2006, 18:27
Che, I do not know the figures, perhaps you do, but are there large numbers of small-to-medium farms closing in the US, being eaten up by larger units?

It is certainly happening in the UK and in Europe, as far as I know.

Same goes for small shops, etc.

And peasants in the thrid world are being forced off the land (in huge numbers in places like China), and into the urban proletariat.

I think all this counts as mass proletarianisation, does it not?

Guest1
4th August 2006, 18:40
Absolutely, but that's been happening for years, it's always been made up for by the rise in tech jobs, in "white-collar" middle class jobs. Today, that's gone. The mobility is trending downwards on the whole. Those middle class jobs are all being trimmed to make it look like western capitalism is still profitable. When your profits can only be maintained by firing 5% of your workforce every year, it only looks like profit to those who aren't paying attention. This allows the capitalist class to continue to reap in rewards, and to ignore the underlying crisis as well as mask it from the public. But anyone who takes the time realizes this represents a real collapse, financially, because it is not one or two companies, it is an epidemic.

Most major companies are reporting profits, but almost all of them are doing it by selling off assets and firing employees.

Rosa Lichtenstein
5th August 2006, 02:02
Or by 'importing' 'cheap labour' from abroad, or by 'exporting' jobs.

Guest1
5th August 2006, 02:05
Absolutely, it's become abundantly clear that the capitalist system has now become an economic failure as much as a humanitarian and rational one. We've gone through similar phases before, but nothing quite this damning and comprehensive.

SPK
5th August 2006, 04:32
I had heard a lot about this essay over the years, but never actually read it. And wow, it is seriously outmoded.

As many folks have already pointed out, the sharp intensification of attacks by the bourgeoisie on workers and oppressed peoples over the last thirty years debunks Bookchin’s idea that the U.S. had somehow moved beyond the class struggle. If someone thought that back in the late sixties, I suppose it is understandable, if ultimately wrong.

At that point, the U.S. was still in a dominant position economically, with its key capitalist competitors in Europe and Japan having been destroyed during World War II. Their economies were slowly rebuilding – with U.S. aid, as in the Marshall Plan -- and moving towards their prewar status but were not yet in a truly competitive position vis-ŕ-vis the U.S.

The newly independent states of the so-called “Third World” – many independent in name only and effectively dominated by their former colonial powers – had not yet been able to develop to degree that we see today. Contemporary India, for example, is competitive with the U.S. at many levels, and that was certainly not the case back in the sixties.

These conditions increased the surplus value being extracted globally by the amerikan bourgeoisie. They made the strategic decision to placate and neutralize much of the U.S. working class by throwing some of that surplus their way – in the form of higher wages, benefits, and so forth. This was, of course, facilitated by the abhorrent, reactionary labor union bureaucracies.

So, more people had a better standard of living back then than they do now. If someone looked only at the surface of that phenomena, they might come up with some bullshit idea about the end of class struggle. That’s exactly what Bookchin did, along with lots of other people during the sixties – he didn’t see that the hegemonic position of the U.S. was transitory and that to maintain their level of surplus value extraction, the U.S. ruling elites would return to overt attacks on the workers.

Bookchin’s emphasis on a so-called post-scarcity society is also rather strange, given his later development as a theorist of social ecology.

He is working within a very traditional Marxist framework here: capitalism has developed the economic forces of production – technology, machinery, and so on, which accounts for all of his jabbering about “cybernations” and electronics – to such a degree that people would have an abundance of the basic necessities of life and more in a socialist state or communist society. In other words, once these productive forces served the interests of the vast majority of people, the working class, rather than a tiny segment of exploiters, the bourgeoisie, we wouldn’t have to worry about being able to guarantee people food, housing, and so forth – whereas revolutions in places like Russia in 1917 were unable to guarantee these fundamentals, because of the underdeveloped state of their economies.

But Bookchin should have challenged the very core nature of those “developed” forces of production. Many of these developments would be completely useless or politically problematic in a genuinely revolutionary society and would have to be discarded – a lot of the junk that surrounds us in the capitalist system would have to be thrown out.

Genetically modified seeds may produce, at least in the short run, higher crop yields. But do we want to destroy the balance and heterogeneity of the ecosystem in the process? Of course not. Computers may help us increase productivity. But do we want the machines we have today, ones that gobble up scarce natural resources, pollute the environment during their manufacture, and poison the ground in landfills when the usefulness is at an end? Of course not. Industry today forces workers onto assembly lines, where they are subject to intense specialization, endlessly repeating a basic set of mind-numbing tasks. Do we want to use such an organizational methodology, where a person’s entire, multifaceted being is not fully developed in an all-around way? Of course not. I think that much of the productive forces would simply have to be redeveloped – sometimes from scratch -- in a post-revolutionary society.

I find Bookchin’s blindness on this point a little puzzling, given his later sensitivity to the environmental destruction that capitalism wreaks.

I think that Bookchin is mostly correct in his support for the so-called ‘social” liberationist movements of the sixties, and in his criticism of the Leninist left. But in many other respects, this essay is a period piece. <_<

Martin Blank
5th August 2006, 08:02
Originally posted by Che y Marijuana+Aug 4 2006, 10:23 AM--> (Che y Marijuana &#064; Aug 4 2006, 10:23 AM)How often do you hear of a company expanding jobs? The rate of unemployment in the US is being kept stable only by the rise in minimum-wage jobs that are filling the gap for the enron style collapses and the massive cuts all the big companies are undertaking.[/b]

Admittedly, there is not much in the news about expanding jobs, but this does not necessarily translate into "mass proletarianization". On the contrary, most of the jobs being cut are still hourly, waged jobs held by workers.


Che y [email protected] 4 2006, 10:23 AM
This reality has not yet caught up, because spending is continuing for the most part as though nothing has happened, but only because millions are in denial of their drop a class. In otherwords, debt is masking the change beneath the surface, and it&#39;s a deep change. I think you&#39;ll find what you&#39;re looking for if you look up the trends of minimum wage job gains, high-quality job losses, consumer spending and average household debt compared to average household income. The key is that these levels of debt cannot continue to mask this situation forever, they are comparable to the period preceding the depression, and it&#39;s a very dangerous situation that is unsustainable. Worse still, the economy is not on its way up, it is clearly trending downwards. Meaning debt will not hit the petty-bourgeois american and catch up with them when they&#39;re back in their nice job. It&#39;ll hit them when they&#39;re down and out.

Again, it should be pointed out that most of the debt that is looked at as unstable is held by the more privileged sections of the working class (e.g., autoworkers), not the petty bourgeoisie. They are the ones that are in line to lose their mortgages homes, financed cars and petty pensions. The petty bourgeoisie, on the other hand, is being maintained through "rightsizing". While the large corporations may be paring down those petty-bourgeois elements directly employed, those same elements are transitioning either into "consulting" roles on contract (thus being categorized as "self-employed"), into managerial roles in other sectors of the industry, or into retirement. Very few of them are seeing the end of their class relations.

Researchers for the Albert Currlin Institute, a thinktank associated with the International Working People&#39;s Association, has been surveying these class relations for the last couple of years, and their preliminary data suggests a great stabilization of the petty bourgeoisie, not "mass proletarianization". When they&#39;re surveys are published, I&#39;ll let you know (I don&#39;t know the timeline on their completion, admittedly).

Miles

Martin Blank
5th August 2006, 08:04
Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 4 2006, 10:41 AM
Absolutely, but that&#39;s been happening for years, it&#39;s always been made up for by the rise in tech jobs, in "white-collar" middle class jobs.
Ah, here&#39;s a problem I see. "White-collar" can either mean petty-bourgeois managers and submanagers, or it can mean office workers. Most of the time, when "white-collar" employees are being laid off, they are office workers (e.g., secretaries, clerical staff, etc.), not managers.

Miles

Amusing Scrotum
5th August 2006, 15:42
Originally posted by CommunistLeague
Again, it should be pointed out that most of the debt that is looked at as unstable is held by the more privileged sections of the working class (e.g., autoworkers), not the petty bourgeoisie. They are the ones that are in line to lose their mortgages homes, financed cars and petty pensions.

That&#39;s a good point. Just from personal observation, lots of people where I am are having their Pensions fall through, their Endowments aren&#39;t going to pay out and so on. And these are all working class people.

JimFar
5th August 2006, 17:58
I think that Bookchin&#39;s "Listen Marxist," has to be understood within the intellectual and political contexts of the time that it was written in. Bourgeois theorists like Daniel Bell and Seymour Lipset were talking about the "end of ideology," the death of socialism as a living political movement in the advanced industrial nations, and the coming of "post-industrial" society, while the late J.K. Galbraith was writing about the "affluent society." At the same time writers associated with the Frankfurt School, like Marcuse, Adorno, and Horkheimer, were arguing that classical Marxism was now obsolete, and that the traditional class struggle was now dead. Frankfurt School theorists like Adorno and Horkheimer, thus moved rightwards politically in response to this assessment, while Marcuse remained on the radical left, but looked to social groups like students and intellectuals, along with the 1960s counterculture, as sources of radical opposition to capitalist society, in place of the traditional proletariat.

Bookchin&#39;s essay is very much consistent with those intellectual trends of the 1960s. Unlike people like Bell or Lipset, or for that matter, Adorno and Horkheimer, Bookchin remained very much opposed to capitalism, but he nevertheless shared the assessments of the aforementioned writers concerning the relevance of Marxism to understanding contemporary society. Hence like Marcuse, he looked to students and intellectuals along with the hippy counterculture of the times, as sources of radical opposition to capitalism. He wasn&#39;t entirely wrong about this by any means, but nevertheless it still remains the case that if capitalism is overthrown that&#39;s still going to be the work of the proletariat and nobody else. Bookchin, in fact, sometimes conceded this point, but he was obviously pessimistic about the revolutionary potential of the working class, which is why he had vested his hopes in these other social groups. However, it should be clear, now a days, that the situation of the proletariat, even in the most advanced capitalist countries of North American and western Europe is by no means so pleasant as things seemed to be in the 1960s. While at that time, the bourgeoisies of North America and western Europe were both able and willing to make great efforts at "buying off" their countries&#39; proletariats (whether in the form of high wages, relatively secure employment and/or a reasonably generous social safety net), such is no longer the case. Over the past thirty years, the class struggle has been very much alive, even though it seems to be mostly a war of capital against labor. It&#39;s by no means impossible that at some point, labor may once again go on the offensive against capital, thereby opening the door for radical social change once again.

Rosa Lichtenstein
6th August 2006, 11:23
Jim, thanks once again for the background; it shows how quickly &#39;intellectuals&#39; lose faith in workers, and look to find substitutes for them.

[This one I cannot blame on dialectics; as far as I am aware Bookchin was not an addict...???]

Rosa Lichtenstein
6th August 2006, 11:25
Miles, nice to see you can be reasonable (and informative)&#33;

You will find that more people listen to you when you show your more human side, shall we say....

JimFar
6th August 2006, 20:08
Rosa wrote (concerning Bookchin):


[This one I cannot blame on dialectics; as far as I am aware Bookchin was not an addict...???]

Sorry, but I will have to disappoint you. Bookchin had his own version which he called "dialectical naturalism" as the philosophical basis for his social ecology. This is summarized in this article (http://raforum.apinc.org/article.php3?id_article=1762) that I found online.

Rosa Lichtenstein
7th August 2006, 05:02
Jim, thanks for that, but no disappointment this.

I stuck my neck out, made a &#39;risky prediction&#39;, which was falsified.

So, the negation of my guess is true: dialectics is to blame....

And thanks for that link; I have started to read it, and its classic b*llocks, virtually identical to a thousand other essays like this I have had to endure.

WTF does this mean:


Bookchin replies to the question concerning ethical acts by maintaining a strict incommensurability between process-orientated dialectical philosophy and ‘analytical’ philosophy which directs its attentions to ‘brute facts’. [9] Bookchin considers that answers to dialectical questions can only be answered by dialectics and hence dialectical reason.


A logic premised on the principle of identity A equals A, can hardly be used to test the validity of a logic premised on A equals A and not-A. [10]

It is here that the dispute with antihumanism, mysticism and ‘postmodernism’ appears in bold relief. Bookchin is contesting the dominance of other forms of nondialectical reason. Other forms of consciousness and different ways of conceiving the workings of things are considered as a betrayal of social development, a betrayal of Enlightenment ideals and their overt quest for liberation. In more ordinary terms one could say that this is sheer intolerance (of diversity, of other voices) on Bookchin’s part. Professor Kovel in examining the invective in Bookchin ‘s prose contends : ‘Dialectic, instead of unfolding, becomes static, frozen in an endless series of vendettas’. [11] In less personalistic terms, we could argue that the reconstructed Hegelian logic Bookchin employs renders the existence of positive differences problematic.

Note the crass characterisation of the &#39;law of identity&#39;?

Same old same old.

I&#39;ll put this in the archives, and get hold of that book.

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Just ordered it from Amazon....

Guest1
7th August 2006, 08:19
I really don&#39;t think it would be fair to blame this one on dialectics still :P

Rosa Lichtenstein
7th August 2006, 11:45
Che, I think you are right; even though we disagree on perhaps this one area, I cannot blame such things only on this theory.

There are all kinds of reasons for such political differences (in this case, perhaps, the fact that such anarchists had no base in the working class, and had adopted an incorrect theory of the state).

You have to see the above remarks as somewhat light-hearted.