What's In It For The Press?

[HankMorgan]

Hezbollah positioned literally thousands and thousands of rockets in among the Lebanese civilians, then fired them at Israeli civilians (not military targets). When the Israelis fire back to defend their home (the debate about whose home it is will go on forever but all we need to know for this discussion is the Israelis consider it their home), there are Lebanese civilian casualities.

Clearly there is no hope for Hezbollah defeating the IDF. Clearly the is no hope for Israelis just packing up and leaving their home. Again think like an Israeli. To them it is their home. Clearly there is no expectation that the Israelis will just do nothing about the rockets raining down on their people. The sole purpose of the Hezbollah attacks is to make Israel return fire which will certainly cause civilian casualties. Hezbollah has created a situation where they can portray the Israelis as the evil aggressors who are raining death down on the poor Lebanese civilian population.

The big question is why the media is covering the war the way it is. Why is the media going along with the story line Hezbollah has written? If they portray Israel as the evil aggressors and the Lebanese as poor victims they are either conciously going along terrorists or are being duped by terrorists.

I don't know about you but I'm not going to get my news from a media outlet that is in league with terrorists or is so stupid it can't tell it's being spun by terrorists. Any such media will loose market share.

[Whitten]

Dude, dont believe everything the Israeli's tell you. It doesnt matter if Israel considers that land theirs, its not.

[skooma]

yeah, fuck usrael, and the media

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 01:17 PM
Dude, dont believe everything the Israeli's tell you. It doesnt matter if Israel considers that land theirs, its not.
actuall it does, because that affects their actions. plus it clearly is theirs.

[skooma]

<_< no, no it isn&#39;t

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 08:17 AM
Dude, dont believe everything the Israeli&#39;s tell you. It doesnt matter if Israel considers that land theirs, its not.
Please. This is getting really embarrassing. Please try to REFUTE his argument instead of just making a statement with no facts to back it up.

[Whitten]

actuall it does, because that affects their actions. plus it clearly is theirs.

No, because it doesnt matter what they think of it. They would only be justified in defending it (and what they are doing now is well beyond defending there people) if it were thiers.


Please. This is getting really embarrassing. Please try to REFUTE his argument instead of just making a statement with no facts to back it up.

He didnt present an arguement, he asked a question. If we look at things objectivly the media has been to benevolent towards Israel. They have shown the decimated villages and civilian populations, the attacked UN station, but those are all acts Israel have commited, and no one can claim they have not. Where is the bias?

[theraven]

no, no it isn&#39;t

your brilliant my lad



No, because it doesnt matter what they think of it. They would only be justified in defending it (and what they are doing now is well beyond defending there people) if it were thiers.


the fact is the lan dis theires as they possses it, and what they are doing is defense.

[Janus]

and what they are doing is defense.
Yes, they are "defending" themselves by taking over a huge swath of Lebanon.

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 08:27 PM

and what they are doing is defense.
Yes, they are "defending" themselves by taking over a huge swath of Lebanon.
its not a permant measure, they do however want to ensure hezbollah stops bombing them. something lebanon cannot do apaprently.

[The Sloth]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 03:45 PM
actually it does, because that affects their actions. plus it clearly is theirs.
it&#39;s "theirs" in the sense that they&#39;re able to kill off anybody that contradicts their claims.


its not a permant measure, they do however want to ensure hezbollah stops bombing them. something lebanon cannot do apaprently.

since when did israel care about curbing the wide-spread islamic fundamentalism? never. which explains why their early subsidies resulted in the formation of hamas. some "insurance," indeed. hmph.

as for lebanon.. i might be wrong, but i don&#39;t think israel consulted the international community and applied pressure on lebanon to dismantle hezbollah.. or, perhaps dismantle is too harsh a word. israel never consulted the international community on how to best address the very legitimate issues hezbollah is fighting for.. and, in terms of israeli self-interest, that makes sense. hezbollah would have no reason to exist without israel&#39;s aggression. it feeds them, so to speak.

putting an end to the violence is contrary to the israeli position, it&#39;s contrary to their entire policy. the faster the violence ends, the faster the moderates will rise up.. and the faster will israel&#39;s claims to "legitimate self-defense" be put to rest, as moderates would never retalliate with terrorism.. and the greater the domestic and international opposition will be to israeli imperialism. what then?

[The Sloth]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 05:30 AM
Hezbollah positioned literally thousands and thousands of rockets in among the Lebanese civilians, then fired them at Israeli civilians (not military targets). When the Israelis fire back to defend their home (the debate about whose home it is will go on forever but all we need to know for this discussion is the Israelis consider it their home), there are Lebanese civilian casualities.

Clearly there is no hope for Hezbollah defeating the IDF. Clearly the is no hope for Israelis just packing up and leaving their home. Again think like an Israeli. To them it is their home. Clearly there is no expectation that the Israelis will just do nothing about the rockets raining down on their people. The sole purpose of the Hezbollah attacks is to make Israel return fire which will certainly cause civilian casualties. Hezbollah has created a situation where they can portray the Israelis as the evil aggressors who are raining death down on the poor Lebanese civilian population.

during the past few months, israel has been trying to consolidate gaza, and the west bank, into its settlements.. olmert even admitted that he plans to take the jordan valley. the tension that soon followed between palestinian and non-palestinian militant groups should be seen within the context of this.. escalation.

the first incident occured in late june, when israel kidnapped a doctor and another man in gaza. why? well, what the hell, since when does a terrorist state have to offer any ethically-justifiable reasons for its intimidation? no one knows where they are now.. probably, no one ever will. that&#39;s it.. the people they knew, their wives, friends, family, will deal with this disappearance, in the same way they deal with so many other atrocities. it&#39;s entirely inexplicable, from an ethical point of view, and will very likely stay that way.

in response, islamic jihad kidnapped an israeli soldier in gaza.

in "response," israel escalated its attacks in the area. although, of course, it might not even be a response, more like a "move" that looks as if it&#39;s justified because of the islamic jihad&#39;s actions.. they would have continued with the annexation, anyway, with or without islamic jihad&#39;s behavior.

in response, hezbollah kidnapped two soldiers.

and, then, the israeli war is waged against lebanese civilians.

of course, hezbollah put the lebanese civilians in danger with their actions.. at the same time, this doesn&#39;t excuse israel&#39;s subsequent savagery. it must also be mentioned that hezbollah&#39;s actions, hezbollah&#39;s most concentrated actions, were/are retalliatory.. so, it&#39;s not into "israeli shoes" that we must put ourself into to better understand the situation, but palestine&#39;s and hezbollah&#39;s.

the fact that israel&#39;s blockading and/or bombing seaports, airports, apartment buildings, civilian centers, and hick towns doesn&#39;t say much for their line of defense, namely, "we&#39;re doing it for self-protection." it merely corroborates our rather unsurprising suspicions in this matter.