What Can Be Done?

[Mr.Mojo]

What can we the enlightened do about this Capitalist machine? THe machine now enjoys complete control over the government and complete control over everything in our life. these huge multi-national companies have now cemented themselves in and bleed us dry as they raise the cost of living everyday with artificial inflation. What is it we can do in the face of the ever encroaching capitalist pig? Too many in this world are ignorant and ignore the Capitalist bastards by just simply lying down and letting it roll over them. How can we the enlightened stand up? i know this sounds like total despair comrades but we need too make the revolution begin, otherwise it will be too late.

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 11:51 PM
What can we the enlightened do about this Capitalist machine? THe machine now enjoys complete control over the government and complete control over everything in our life. these huge multi-national companies have now cemented themselves in and bleed us dry as they raise the cost of living everyday with artificial inflation. What is it we can do in the face of the ever encroaching capitalist pig? Too many in this world are ignorant and ignore the Capitalist bastards by just simply lying down and letting it roll over them. How can we the enlightened stand up? i know this sounds like total despair comrades but we need too make the revolution begin, otherwise it will be too late.
you talk about it as though its a giant robot walking around a terrorizing people, as opposed to what it actually is, a system where goods are produced and exchanged independently. if these "capitalist basterds" have complete control over the government, then why don't they lessen regulation to make conditions more favorable to them?


these huge multi-national companies have now cemented themselves in and bleed us dry as they raise the cost of living everyday with artificial inflation

what are talking about? artificial inflation, are you serious?

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 05:12 AM
if these "capitalist basterds" have complete control over the government, then why don't they lessen regulation to make conditions more favorable to them?
He has a point, kind of. Capitalists aren't in complete control, and the only reason they don't do things like completely deregulate the economy is because working class people have fought and died to restrict the capitalists' ability to exploit people however they want. The fact that we have things like the minimum wage and the eight-hour day is because proletarians have engaged in direct action against the bourgeoisie and won them. So the situation isn't as hopeless as it looks. We can fight and we can make progress, but what exactly should be done depends on the circumstances of the particular situation of course. There's nothing you can do to abolish capitalism overnight, but educating your fellow proletarians about the workings of the capitalist system can help make it happen sooner.

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 04:51 AM
What can we the enlightened do about this Capitalist machine? THe machine now enjoys complete control over the government and complete control over everything in our life. these huge multi-national companies have now cemented themselves in and bleed us dry as they raise the cost of living everyday with artificial inflation. What is it we can do in the face of the ever encroaching capitalist pig? Too many in this world are ignorant and ignore the Capitalist bastards by just simply lying down and letting it roll over them. How can we the enlightened stand up? i know this sounds like total despair comrades but we need too make the revolution begin, otherwise it will be too late.
You can do little to stop capitalism. Sure, you can revolt, you can kill, maim and massacre as have revolutionaries before you in your creation of artificial freedom. But true freedom is a difficult thing to suppress. It will return and return and return again with a greater fury than that which removed it.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by ebeneezer+Aug 3 2006, 10:41 AM--> (ebeneezer @ Aug 3 2006, 10:41 AM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 04:51 AM
What can we the enlightened do about this Capitalist machine? THe machine now enjoys complete control over the government and complete control over everything in our life. these huge multi-national companies have now cemented themselves in and bleed us dry as they raise the cost of living everyday with artificial inflation. What is it we can do in the face of the ever encroaching capitalist pig? Too many in this world are ignorant and ignore the Capitalist bastards by just simply lying down and letting it roll over them. How can we the enlightened stand up? i know this sounds like total despair comrades but we need too make the revolution begin, otherwise it will be too late.
You can do little to stop capitalism. Sure, you can revolt, you can kill, maim and massacre as have revolutionaries before you in your creation of artificial freedom. But true freedom is a difficult thing to suppress. It will return and return and return again with a greater fury than that which removed it. [/b]
Except that it is an inevitablility, and capitalism will end sooner or later. 300 years ago, there will have been someone like you, Ebeneezer, saying the same thing, except in support of feudalism and agaisnt capitalism.

True freedom is not the freedom to oppress and make money with the labour of others. It is the freedom to be free from being bound by money, the freedom to be equal regardless of social grouping, the freedom not to be forced into a nation state and the freedom not to be bossed about by god and government.

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by ThisAnarchistKillsNazis+Aug 3 2006, 09:47 AM--> (ThisAnarchistKillsNazis @ Aug 3 2006, 09:47 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 10:41 AM

[email protected] 3 2006, 04:51 AM
What can we the enlightened do about this Capitalist machine? THe machine now enjoys complete control over the government and complete control over everything in our life. these huge multi-national companies have now cemented themselves in and bleed us dry as they raise the cost of living everyday with artificial inflation. What is it we can do in the face of the ever encroaching capitalist pig? Too many in this world are ignorant and ignore the Capitalist bastards by just simply lying down and letting it roll over them. How can we the enlightened stand up? i know this sounds like total despair comrades but we need too make the revolution begin, otherwise it will be too late.
You can do little to stop capitalism. Sure, you can revolt, you can kill, maim and massacre as have revolutionaries before you in your creation of artificial freedom. But true freedom is a difficult thing to suppress. It will return and return and return again with a greater fury than that which removed it.
Except that it is an inevitablility, and capitalism will end sooner or later. 300 years ago, there will have been someone like you, Ebeneezer, saying the same thing, except in support of feudalism and agaisnt capitalism.

True freedom is not the freedom to oppress and make money with the labour of others. It is the freedom to be free from being bound by money, the freedom to be equal regardless of social grouping, the freedom not to be forced into a nation state and the freedom not to be bossed about by god and government. [/b]
You are mistaken. Capitlaism is the only inevitablility in our future. Oh you are so mistaken...


True freedom is not the freedom to oppress and make money with the labour of others. It is the freedom to be free from being bound by money, the freedom to be equal regardless of social grouping, the freedom not to be forced into a nation state and the freedom not to be bossed about by god and government

Money is the right to order someone around. Money does not fly from heaven. It must be worked for. You sound like an imperialist expecting others to do work for you! You perhaps do not realise that for you to be free, someone else must be a slave - or everyone starves.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by ebeneezer+Aug 3 2006, 09:54 AM--> (ebeneezer @ Aug 3 2006, 09:54 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 10:41 AM

[email protected] 3 2006, 04:51 AM
What can we the enlightened do about this Capitalist machine? THe machine now enjoys complete control over the government and complete control over everything in our life. these huge multi-national companies have now cemented themselves in and bleed us dry as they raise the cost of living everyday with artificial inflation. What is it we can do in the face of the ever encroaching capitalist pig? Too many in this world are ignorant and ignore the Capitalist bastards by just simply lying down and letting it roll over them. How can we the enlightened stand up? i know this sounds like total despair comrades but we need too make the revolution begin, otherwise it will be too late.
You can do little to stop capitalism. Sure, you can revolt, you can kill, maim and massacre as have revolutionaries before you in your creation of artificial freedom. But true freedom is a difficult thing to suppress. It will return and return and return again with a greater fury than that which removed it.
Except that it is an inevitablility, and capitalism will end sooner or later. 300 years ago, there will have been someone like you, Ebeneezer, saying the same thing, except in support of feudalism and agaisnt capitalism.

True freedom is not the freedom to oppress and make money with the labour of others. It is the freedom to be free from being bound by money, the freedom to be equal regardless of social grouping, the freedom not to be forced into a nation state and the freedom not to be bossed about by god and government.
You are mistaken. Capitlaism is the only inevitablility in our future. Oh you are so mistaken...


True freedom is not the freedom to oppress and make money with the labour of others. It is the freedom to be free from being bound by money, the freedom to be equal regardless of social grouping, the freedom not to be forced into a nation state and the freedom not to be bossed about by god and government

Money is the right to order someone around. Money does not fly from heaven. It must be worked for. You sound like an imperialist expecting others to do work for you! You perhaps do not realise that for you to be free, someone else must be a slave - or everyone starves. [/b]
fuck everything you say and have an opinion on. yeah it might be blunt and ignorant. but ask me if i give a fuck?

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+Aug 3 2006, 10:15 AM--> (R_P_A_S @ Aug 3 2006, 10:15 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 10:41 AM

[email protected] 3 2006, 04:51 AM
What can we the enlightened do about this Capitalist machine? THe machine now enjoys complete control over the government and complete control over everything in our life. these huge multi-national companies have now cemented themselves in and bleed us dry as they raise the cost of living everyday with artificial inflation. What is it we can do in the face of the ever encroaching capitalist pig? Too many in this world are ignorant and ignore the Capitalist bastards by just simply lying down and letting it roll over them. How can we the enlightened stand up? i know this sounds like total despair comrades but we need too make the revolution begin, otherwise it will be too late.
You can do little to stop capitalism. Sure, you can revolt, you can kill, maim and massacre as have revolutionaries before you in your creation of artificial freedom. But true freedom is a difficult thing to suppress. It will return and return and return again with a greater fury than that which removed it.
Except that it is an inevitablility, and capitalism will end sooner or later. 300 years ago, there will have been someone like you, Ebeneezer, saying the same thing, except in support of feudalism and agaisnt capitalism.

True freedom is not the freedom to oppress and make money with the labour of others. It is the freedom to be free from being bound by money, the freedom to be equal regardless of social grouping, the freedom not to be forced into a nation state and the freedom not to be bossed about by god and government.
You are mistaken. Capitlaism is the only inevitablility in our future. Oh you are so mistaken...


True freedom is not the freedom to oppress and make money with the labour of others. It is the freedom to be free from being bound by money, the freedom to be equal regardless of social grouping, the freedom not to be forced into a nation state and the freedom not to be bossed about by god and government

Money is the right to order someone around. Money does not fly from heaven. It must be worked for. You sound like an imperialist expecting others to do work for you! You perhaps do not realise that for you to be free, someone else must be a slave - or everyone starves.
fuck everything you say and have an opinion on. yeah it might be blunt and ignorant. but ask me if i give a fuck? [/b]
You think I give a fuck that you don't give a fuck?

[RaiseYourVoice]

You are mistaken. Capitlaism is the only inevitablility in our future. Oh you are so mistaken...
thanks for enlightening us with your future telling abilities


You sound like an imperialist expecting others to do work for you!
where in his statement did you find that?


You perhaps do not realise that for you to be free, someone else must be a slave - or everyone starves.
you do not realize, for being free we all most be equally free. even the owners of productions arent free, they are bound by the forces of competition to cut costs where ever they can. to not be taken over by bigger companies you have no chance but to make money any possible way, so even if capitalists wanted to grant more workers rights, more human rights etc. they couldnt.

[Janus]

Capitlaism is the only inevitablility in our future. Oh you are so mistaken...
And what about when it can no longer expand?


Money is the right to order someone around. Money does not fly from heaven. It must be worked for. You sound like an imperialist expecting others to do work for you! You perhaps do not realise that for you to be free, someone else must be a slave - or everyone starves.
You are begging the question there again. You act as if you are some kind of saint holding out capitalism as the only alternative.

[Ander]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 01:51 AM
What can we the enlightened do about this Capitalist machine? THe machine now enjoys complete control over the government and complete control over everything in our life. these huge multi-national companies have now cemented themselves in and bleed us dry as they raise the cost of living everyday with artificial inflation. What is it we can do in the face of the ever encroaching capitalist pig? Too many in this world are ignorant and ignore the Capitalist bastards by just simply lying down and letting it roll over them. How can we the enlightened stand up? i know this sounds like total despair comrades but we need too make the revolution begin, otherwise it will be too late.
The first thing you can do, which is constantly repeated all over these boards, is to inform and educate others. I know it sounds pointless and ineffective, I admit I used to think that way too, but it does work. My girlfriend, an artist who hates history and politics, is finally beginning to understand the atrocities committed by the US and capitalism. It may take a while but you can eventually convince people (not everyone of course) to see that capitalism is an evil force. Don't attack them and shove information down their throats because if you do they just won't listen. Hold political discussions with friends, family, in class, etc. Don't tell them that socialism/communism/anarchism is better, instead simply present them with an alternative and they will reach their own decisions.

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 09:54 AM
You perhaps do not realise that for you to be free, someone else must be a slave - or everyone starves.
Ah yes, I forgot, freedom is slavery. Also, war is peace and ignorance is strength, right?

[BobKKKindle$]

We make Transitional Demands. Transitional demands are demands, genereally in the form of preassure groups, or trade unions, or other forms of industrial organisation, that are ethically sensible and entirely reasonable in terms of moral justification. For Example, demanding that everyone has the right to a basic standard of housing, or healthcare, or education.

However, these demands cannot be fulfilled under the Capitalist mode of production due to the dominance of exchange value over use value. By making these demands, we can expose the inherent flaws within the Capitalist system, and thereby allow the disenfranchised in Society to develop greater class consciousness of their exploitation under the Capitalist relations of production.