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which doctor
2nd August 2006, 23:56
Originally posted by Karl Marx
Better the whole world be destroyed and perish utterly than that a free man refrain from an act which his nature moves him

When did Marx say that? Was it early in his life or late? Was it in a book? What book?

Global_Justice
3rd August 2006, 02:40
thats a good quote.

i read it to mean something similar to 'it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees', like saying if a mans nature moves him to do something, it's better he goes for it and gets crushed than doesn't go for it at all.

Comrade J
3rd August 2006, 02:44
It was said by a man named Johann Hartmann I think, perhaps it was quoted, I do not know. I've seen that quote acknowledged to Marx before, yet I have no recollection of reading it in his works.

Nothing is sin except what is thought of as sin.

He who attributes to himself anything that he does, and does not attribute it all to God, is in ignorance, which is hell.

It would be better that the whole world should be destroyed and perish utterly than a 'free man' should refrain from one act to which his nature moves him... The truly free man is king and lord of all creatures. All things belong to him, and he has the right to use whatever pleases him. If anyone tries to prevent him, the free man may kill him and take his goods

Johann Hartman

There is a Bishop with this name, but it doesn't sound like the sort of thing a Bishop would say.

Whitten
3rd August 2006, 16:06
With the amount of religious fundamentalist references in that extended quote, I'd say it probably was. When did this Bishop live?

Severian
3rd August 2006, 16:15
There are a heck of a lot of fake Marx quotes out there.

Comrade J
3rd August 2006, 22:30
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 01:07 PM
With the amount of religious fundamentalist references in that extended quote, I'd say it probably was. When did this Bishop live?
Well it advocates murder, but I suppose it could be... he was the Bishop of Wurzburg, 1673-1675.

It might not be him who said it, I'm just saying that I've seen the quote credited to a man with that name, and there happens to be a Bishop with the same name.

Janus
3rd August 2006, 23:02
There are a heck of a lot of fake Marx quotes out there.
There are a lot of fake quotes out there attributed to famous people in general.

Whitten
3rd August 2006, 23:38
Originally posted by Comrade J+Aug 3 2006, 07:31 PM--> (Comrade J @ Aug 3 2006, 07:31 PM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 01:07 PM
With the amount of religious fundamentalist references in that extended quote, I'd say it probably was. When did this Bishop live?
Well it advocates murder, but I suppose it could be... he was the Bishop of Wurzburg, 1673-1675.

It might not be him who said it, I'm just saying that I've seen the quote credited to a man with that name, and there happens to be a Bishop with the same name. [/b]
In the middle ages it wasnt uncommon for Bishops to lead trrops into battle. Its a little late for that, but it definatly wouldnt surpise me.

which doctor
4th August 2006, 01:47
I had a feeling that it might be fake.

Anyways, was it this Johannes Hartmann: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Franz_Hartmann ?