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highway star
11th June 2003, 08:27
First I must say that my English isn't good.Please try to understand me.With our work in Mersin/Turkey, we forced mc'donalds to close their restaurants.with this work our country get more freedom from American emperiaism.And ı want to ask you:what are you thinking about Turkish politics.What must we do to dismiss American emperialism from our home?I'm waiting for your ideas.(Don't forget that we are the socialist wing of Turkey.)***DEV-GENÇ***

oki
12th June 2003, 22:59
I spend some time in turkye 2 jears ago.you guys must make sure that people get the message that religous radicalism cant be better that westernminded politics.you need progress towards a new independent frame.the turkish seculair state holds that promise,but it needs to be adepted to modern times. your country should posisions itself as an unmissenble link between europe and azia,with more then enough potential to be an economic power.stop the ritch from repressing your people and use that money to build a strong turkye.

where are you from in turkye?in Istanbul there was a mcdonalds ever 15 meter...how do you feel about the turkish army that is protecting the seculair state by stopping islamisation?

il Commy
13th June 2003, 11:49
From what I've heard the turkish political situation is very unstable. And from what I reasonably assume workers are being exploited. What you must do is raise the awareness for workers strugles and how they are connected to the imperialism, the state and the army. Cooporation with extreme muslims is good in some cases, but you should be very careful with it - they might take the revolution away from the workers (like they did in Iran) or you might just not appeal to non-muslim workers if you'll cooporate too much with the radical muslims (just look at what happened to the "Israeli Communist Party" who lost almost all their jewish supporters because of cooporation with arabs nationalists).

highway star
13th June 2003, 14:09
OK!You don't know anything about Turkey.We aren't like telling in stories,TV.s(especially channels like cnn,bbc,...),brochurs,...You are saying all about muslims and muslims.Our country isn't religious even saying to you.OK.There are strong muslims.Some(A big some) women close herself with clothes.Everywhere of her.WE say that clothe *peçe*.But its reason isn't religion.Its from our nation laws(I can't find an English word for *gelenek*)A women isn't religious but wears peçe or head clothe(a clothe for head that closes hair).A man isn't religious but do namaz.That i say its from national laws.After reading that you think about us write your conscructive critisms.And don't think it at government floor.Think it at our community floor.
* * * And for you OKI,i am living in Mersin.Almost i wrote that .Of course *i went to Istanbul.That you say there are a lot of mcdonalds.But in Mersin there were three and with our work,now ,there is one.In METU/Ankara there was one but now with work of a community in METU there is no .In your opinion isn't it a good starting? *

il Commy
13th June 2003, 14:21
" In your opinion isn't it a good starting? "

Yes, pretty good actually. And if you don't mind, could you please write about how you guys managed to close these restaurants, your methods.

highway star
14th June 2003, 16:06
Ha!Ha!How is living without news from world?Like you il Commy.That i say you don't know anything about us.Maybe you don't know but there is an economic cris in Turkey.This cris bigger than Argentina Cris.It began 4 years ago but it still effecting us and all companies in Turkey.Mcdonalds is one of them.For example we get the restaurant in METU(once upon a time).Because of cris their profit get loser and loser.And every expenture give damage to restadurant.With a strong community and strong actions they must have close their restaurants.They can't earn money because noone went their restaurant.And they had to renew their glasses.Because community members damaged the restaurants everyday.Then they couldn't get profit.And the mean company closed the restaurants.Hey!Il Commy!OK?

oki
14th June 2003, 23:06
that's pretty cool,the intire community rejecting mcdonalds.and who needs them anyway,you cant possibly beat turkish chickenkebab! :)
il commy,the situation in turkye has allways been very polarised.in fact in turkye it's communist groups that are the terrorists,who do bomb attacks etc.there has allready 3 times been a coup by the army,after an islamic party in gouv tried to mix religon and state.
now an islamic party is in gouv. again,but they seem to respect the seculair state untill now.in fact it's the same party every time,they just change their name and run again.
anyway,because of this polarisation there needs to be a new movement I think that will break the intire system of corrupt politics.but not the seculair system.

ComradeRiley
14th June 2003, 23:18
Turkey should give Cyprus back to the Cypriots

oki
15th June 2003, 10:59
and so should greece.

Vinny Rafarino
16th June 2003, 04:16
Riley,

You post was completely off topic. If you bothered to read the opening post from Highway Star you would have surmised he is a fellow socialist and deserves our respect. I'm sure Mr. Star is as upset with Turkish foreign policy as you are.

Highway Star,

Are you looking to simply oust yanquee imperialistic policies from Turkey or once this is acheived, will you then continue your efforts to advance the socialist movement within Turkey?

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SP

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 4:39 am on June 16, 2003)