Mel Gibson...

[Korol Aferist]

In California, at about 2:30 a.m., Mel Gibson was found DWI on a highway. The police pulled him over and confronted him. Turns out, his blood had 12 times more than the "over" amount of alcohol needed for him to be arrested. When they confronted him, he stated "I blame all the Jews in the whole world for wars." Mind you, he meant wars in general.This Anti-Semetic bastard is playing with the wrong crowd.
And producers and directors are discussing boycotting Mel Gibson.
I'm behind them 100 percent.

[Rollo]

What an asshole, hope his house gets torched.

[Sentinel]

Wow, what a piece of shit he turned out to be! :o

Not like I actually expected much else.. You need only look at the amount of patriotic war movies the dude has made to draw some conclusions.. And wasn't the Jesusmovie he was in criticised as anti-semitic as well?

That one I (thankfully) haven't seen though, so I'm not sure. Braveheart was the only one of his movies I could appreciate in a way, the fighting feudalist oppression thing you know. But that movie was a while ago.

Did he blame his driving under influence on the jews too by the way?

[Delta]

What does this have to do with the democrats? I agree that the democrats are worthless shits, but I don't see the relevance here.

[Eleutherios]

Mel Gibson drives drunk and hates Jews, therefore you don't like the US Democratic Party? I can think of better reasons to oppose that particular organization that don't hinge on the deeds of an individual nutcase.

Is Mel Gibson even a Democrat? I don't know.

[The Sloth]

i always suspected that mel gibson hung with the wrong crowd.. he even refused to criticize his father's rather offensive, very anti-semitic comments from a while back.

it gets better.. he even threatened the deputy that arrested him, with typical ego-maniacal shit like, "i own this city" and "you're fucked", et cetera.

the entire report is funny.

[C_Rasmussen]

Wow you guys certainly put Mel Gibson down quick probably without even COMPLETELY reading the entire post of the author. Read this one part over:

"Turns out, his blood had 12 times more than the "over" amount of alcohol needed for him to be arrested"

Eh he was BEYOND DRUNK people. Come on, sure what he said was wrong but he was absolutely sloshed beyond comprehension and probably didn't even remember saying that. Its not like any of you have said anything you dont remember when you've gotten a tad too smashed.

[Eleutherios]

Well, I can't say that I have. But I hardly ever drink and all the weed I smoke doesn't seem to make me say things I don't believe. I think it's very clear from whom he got the idea of the Jews being behind the wars of the world, and I doubt he would have repeated something like that unless he had some idea that it might not be a complete racist fabrication.

[Rollo]

I've been pissed beyond belief a few times before and I usually just ring people up and harass the people I'm with. When you're drunk your brain doesn't go into an alter ego, alcohol is a depressant and it slows down your train of thought so he wasn't thinking about the consequences of what he said so the real mel gibson came out.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 11:10 PM
I've been pissed beyond belief a few times before and I usually just ring people up and harass the people I'm with. When you're drunk your brain doesn't go into an alter ego, alcohol is a depressant and it slows down your train of thought so he wasn't thinking about the consequences of what he said so the real mel gibson came out.
Pending on what he was drinking......if it was beer (and that would be a shitload of beer) then maybe what you said was true but if it were liquor, that can be sketchy because thats much different than beer.

[The Rover]

Isn't it great? :lol:

I think Jesus made him do it. :D

[Ian]

he wasn't 12 times over the limit, he had a BAC of .12, the legal limit in california is .08

His dad hangs out with Holocaust deniers all the time

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 04:19 AM
What an asshole, hope his house gets torched.
......ooook then. im pissed...but i don't wish any violienc eon him.

[Rollo]

First off, grammer is your friend. Secondly he's no better then any of the stormfronters.

[kaaos_af]

When you're drunk you tend to blow things out of proportion.

Let's face it- Israel is responsible for a number of wars now (genocide against Palestine, attacks on Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Six Day War etc. etc.), including, if some sources are to be believed, the one in Iraq right now. And last time I checked, the Israelis are Jews. Of course the Jews are not responsible- it is capitalism that is the problem.

There is no denying Gibson is a christianoid robot fascist, but I feel that this calls for some sort of discussion on the fascism of Zionism. I don't believe Gibson should be banned. I hate him, but free speech is a right that must be defended, and that includes the shit we don't like to hear- even if it is neo-Nazi-ish (although we must actively defend freedom against these elements).

What I'm getting at is the fact that Israel is a criminal nation. We must be prepared to argue against it publicly. When we do so, we must be prepared to fight back accusations of anti-Semitism. If that wasn't Gibson and instead, say, in the wildest case imaginable, Chomsky, we would all be defending his comment (stating, "he meant Zionists, not Jews!!"). The one Jewish nation on earth is responsible for untold suffering in the Middle East, and in pointing this out, we must run the risk of these accusations. The Zionists are using the 6 million dead as a shield to hide their extreme fascism behind, and I proudly say that I would love to see the collapse of Israel (but only if the Palestinians were willing to live in peace with the Jews living in the former Israel and not turn it into a bloodbath).

[Rollo]

Woah, that is a coincidence. Scary. But yeah I understand perfectly where you're coming from kaaos.

[Zero]

Not really Kaaos, you're always talkin about the fash =P.

And yeah, the last thing that SF needs is publicity.

[Delta]

But for someone to say that Jews start all wars without acknowledging the role of the United States, that seems to show that it was blatant racism. Do you think that Gibson is anti-imperialist and feels sympathy for the Palestinians or the Lebanese? Nah, he doesn't give a fuck.

Israel is a criminal nation, but it has nothing to do with the Jews except for the fact that all religion and fascist behavior is correlated, sometimes much more strongly than others.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 11:47 PM
If that wasn't Gibson and instead, say, in the wildest case imaginable, Chomsky, we would all be defending his comment (stating, "he meant Zionists, not Jews!!").
I sure wouldn't, and I'd be curious to know why you or anyone would. His legal right to say it, sure, but not the statements. And in fact Gibson is not in any danger of being prosecuted for his statements....if some people choose not to do business with him, there's not much that can be done about that.

"He really meant Zionists"? The opposite is more true: sometimes when people say "Zionist", it's really a code-phrase for Jews. Especially when people start going on about "Zionists" in contexts that are not about Israel, but about the whole world.

But it's unlikely Chomsky would say anything like that, even when drunk. Alcohol just lets out what's already inside. Gibson's sober now, anyway - but he still can't come out with a forthright apology


The one Jewish nation on earth is responsible for untold suffering in the Middle East, and in pointing this out, we must run the risk of these accusations.

What is this crap? There's a big difference between:
1) saying that Israel is responsible for the present war in Lebanon, and others it's conducted in the past. Those were and are wars of aggression, and Israel has caused great human suffering. It's a colonial-settler state based on dispossessing, expelling, and oppressing the indigenous population, a lot like its former ally, apartheid South Africa.

2) saying that Jews are responsible for most of the wars in the world. Obviously most of the wars in the world have nothing to do with Israel or the region around it, so no, he didn't "really mean Zionists". He meant the Elders of Zion and a worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

The first statement is sometimes falsely described as anti-Semitic. The second really is anti-Semitic, and tinged with the kind of conspiracy theory which is part of classic fascist ideology.

So why would you defend the second one? What needs doing, is to distinguish sharply between the two, and point out the first is not anti-Semitic.

[Sadena Meti]

For those that say "he was drunk, maybe he didn't mean it"...

When you yourself were very drunk, have you ever said "I love capitalism, imperialism is great, and I want to go to bed with George W Bush?"


.12 BAC is nothing. Down 3-4 quick shots, wait 30 minutes. You're there.

(someone said he was 12 times over the limit. that would be .96, aka VERY DEAD)

[bcbm]

Let's see... his father is an anti-semitic holocaust denier, he won't say said father is wrong, he makes a movie based on a medieval account of "the passion" that sparked a shit-ton of anti-semitic pogroms and now this?

Yeah, let's give him the benefit of the doubt. :rolleyes:


There is no denying Gibson is a christianoid robot fascist, but I feel that this calls for some sort of discussion on the fascism of Zionism.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold the fucking phone, here. WHAT?! If some Nazi prick said "All jews are hook-nosed money-grubbing war machines who control the world," would you say "Yes, that is a neo-nazi scumbag, but we should really discuss the fascism of Zionism?" I doubt it, and if you did you'd probably be laughed out of town (at best). This sort of thinly-veiled apologism for anti-semitism deserves no place on the left and makes a damn good case for people who often accuse the left of being soft on anti-semitism. Trying to turn what are clearly anti-semitic comments into a discussion on how bad Zionism is is just... wow.


I don't believe Gibson should be banned. I hate him, but free speech is a right that must be defended, and that includes the shit we don't like to hear- even if it is neo-Nazi-ish

Ban? How would we "ban" him? What is being discussed among many is a BOYCOTT, which isn't against "free speech," its simply voluntary disassociation, something anarchists support. Oh, and some people were discussing his ass being kicked, which I feel is fine too.

I'm also curious why you cling to such a liberal notion as "free speech." I couldn't give a fuck about free speech for bigots.


What I'm getting at is the fact that Israel is a criminal nation. We must be prepared to argue against it publicly. When we do so, we must be prepared to fight back accusations of anti-Semitism.

What you're getting at is disturbing to me, to say the least. To defend someone shit-talking all Jews by saying "Well, Israel is pretty fucked up..." is ridiculous and the association of ALL JEWS with Israel is absurd.


If that wasn't Gibson and instead, say, in the wildest case imaginable, Chomsky, we would all be defending his comment (stating, "he meant Zionists, not Jews!!").

I for one would assume Chomsky had gone bat-shit insane, even if drunk, since a Jew talking shit about all Jews in that context would be... a bit odd, to say the least. I wouldn't try and defend his statements, in any case, since statements like "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world" ARE INDEFENSIBLE.


The one Jewish nation on earth is responsible for untold suffering in the Middle East, and in pointing this out, we must run the risk of these accusations.

Of course we run the risk of it, and Israeli apologists are quick to exploit the anti-semitism argument, but for fuck's sake you're making their argument a whole lot easier. I mean, did you read your post? "Anti-semitism is bad, but Israel..." There should be no "but" nor connection to Israel when dealing with that kind of shit.


The Zionists are using the 6 million dead as a shield to hide their extreme fascism behind

Ah yes, the old holocaust industry conspiracy. Careful with that one...


Just noticed that that was by 88th post---- coincidence

I&#39;ll try to reserve my judgement on that one.... <_<

[Burn your Flags]

Mel Gibson should be able to say exactly as he wants.
Of course jews haven&#39;t started all wars; there are wars in lands and times far removed from jews and zion, and of course he knows this.
Yet, the zion/neocons are starting wars; Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan. This is supposedly what he wanted to point out, and good for him. Better than trying to be politically correct like a submissive slave even if you do exagerrate when you get drunk.

As to his father............ bravo again; 6 million jews weren&#39;t murdered by nazis. The holocaust is a lie. Whether Mr Gibson is saying this because he&#39;s a nutzi of some sort is irrelevent; truth is truth and is untouchable by anyone&#39;s dirty political views; including yours and mine.

[The Sloth]

lol, someone&#39;s getting banned.

[Janus]

I&#39;m not sure if Gibson was serious about this or not though I&#39;m sure he may be anti-Semitic to some degree.

But he id definitely not the only one but rather is one of the most public ones. Of course, we should confront these ideas wherever they come up as it has in this situation.

Whether it was the alcohol or "repressed feelings" is irrelevant when these ideas are quite popular especially in the south.

Anyways, it looks like ABC has cancelled Gibson&#39;s Holocaust miniseries. :lol:
ABC pulls Mel Gibson Holocaust miniseries (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060801/en_nm/gibson_abc_dc;_ylt=AiK_REh8zvfQ1PT0guP9TGlxFb8C;_y lu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--)

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by Burn your [email protected] 1 2006, 05:42 PM
As to his father............ bravo again; 6 million jews weren&#39;t murdered by nazis.
You are obviously some kind of moron.

So enlighten me, were did 6 million jews and countless others go?

[Invader Zim]

When i&#39;ve been really drunk I have done all sorts of stupid stuff and said stupid stuff which I don&#39;t even remember in the morning.

people do stupid things that they don&#39;t mean or even remember when hammered. people saying daft stuff when drunk means nothing. What is considerably more interesting is that he drinks and drives, which in my view makes him a complete moron.

[which doctor]

What a good catholic&#33;

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/ht_mel4_060801_ssh.jpg

That was Mel just hours before the arrest.

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 1 2006, 05:43 PM
What a good catholic&#33;
Correct term is cathoholic.

[Zero]

Originally posted by "Skinz"
were did 6 million jews and countless others go?
Why, to the fair of course&#33; Where did you think they went?

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 01:28 PM
When i&#39;ve been really drunk I have done all sorts of stupid stuff and said stupid stuff which I don&#39;t even remember in the morning.

people do stupid things that they don&#39;t mean or even remember when hammered. people saying daft stuff when drunk means nothing. What is considerably more interesting is that he drinks and drives, which in my view makes him a complete moron.
i&#39;ve never suddenly become belligerent and suddenly racist. then again i&#39;m a mellow drunk.

[Janus]

Looks like he&#39;s getting away with 3 counts of misdemeanor.

[Gold Against The Soul]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 04:31 AM
Wow, what a piece of shit he turned out to be&#33; :o

Not like I actually expected much else.. You need only look at the amount of patriotic war movies the dude has made to draw some conclusions.. And wasn&#39;t the Jesusmovie he was in criticised as anti-semitic as well?

That one I (thankfully) haven&#39;t seen though, so I&#39;m not sure. Braveheart was the only one of his movies I could appreciate in a way, the fighting feudalist oppression thing you know. But that movie was a while ago.
Hmmm, didn&#39;t really see much that in Braveheart. Just historical accuracies and the usual Hollywood Anglophobia.

[Sentinel]

Hmmm, didn&#39;t really see much that in Braveheart. Just historical accuracies and the usual Hollywood Anglophobia.

Well William Wallace, not being one himself, was kind of critical towards the nobles. Although he did trust the bastards and was of course betrayed. :(

It was a while ago I saw that movie though, like I said..

I had never heard of Anglophobia in Hollywood before, what&#39;s that about?

[EwokUtopia]

A funny little sidenote, The whole Jewish debate started when the cop arrested him and he asked if he was Jewish (not good tactics when being pulled over&#33;), Then, to make matters even worse for the old Road Warrior, he called the Female officer something on the lines of "sugar tits". Somehow I dont think you or me would be able to get away with this as much as he did. At least he&#39;s still the great charmer he allways was......

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 12:01 PM
Somehow I dont think you or me would be able to get away with this as much as he did.
Yeah, some people at work were talking about this.

"If you or me did this, it wouldn&#39;t be all over the news."

"If you or me did it, we&#39;d be under the jail."