Zionists?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Recently with the Israel-Lebanon conflict going on, I noticed people calling israel and israelis zionists. What does it mean? Is it derogatory? The only other time I heard zionists was from a realtive who had some conspiracy theory that the jews and masons controlled the world or something... could anyone explain further? thanks.

[Red Heretic]

No, that's not it at all comrade! :lol:

Zionism is an imperialist ideology rooted in Judaism. It believes that the Jews are "God's chosen people" and that they have the right to conquer and exploit all other "lesser people's." Zionism is used to justify the stealing of Palestine by Israeli imperialism (which is ultimately a tool of US imperialism).

More recently, it has been used to justify the invasion of Lebanon, and in attacks on Iran.

[Comrade Marcel]

There are left-wing and right-wing Zionists, and it is interpreted and practiced in many different ways. However, at it's root it embodies colonialism and ethnocentrism, making it a reactionary idelogy. Zionism is an ideology, not a religion. In fact, most Jews considered Zionism heresy until it became popular after WW II.

Do some research.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 1 2006, 02:38 AM
There are left-wing and right-wing Zionists, and it is interpreted and practiced in many different ways. However, at it's root it embodies colonialism and ethnocentrism, making it a reactionary idelogy. Zionism is an ideology, not a religion. In fact, most Jews considered Zionism heresy until it became popular after WW II.

Do some research.
I never said it was a religion. I said that it was an imperialist ideology based upon Judaism. It looks to Torah myths to explain the Jewish "right" to steal Palestine from the Palestenian people.

[x_ihag]

Zionism is an imperialist ideology rooted in Judaism. It believes that the Jews are "God's chosen people" and that they have the right to conquer and exploit all other "lesser people's." Zionism is used to justify the stealing of Palestine by Israeli imperialism (which is ultimately a tool of US imperialism).

More recently, it has been used to justify the invasion of Lebanon, and in attacks on Iran.

I Agree

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by Red Heretic+Aug 1 2006, 04:56 AM--> (Red Heretic @ Aug 1 2006, 04:56 AM)
Comrade [email protected] 1 2006, 02:38 AM
There are left-wing and right-wing Zionists, and it is interpreted and practiced in many different ways. However, at it's root it embodies colonialism and ethnocentrism, making it a reactionary idelogy. Zionism is an ideology, not a religion. In fact, most Jews considered Zionism heresy until it became popular after WW II.

Do some research.
I never said it was a religion. I said that it was an imperialist ideology based upon Judaism. It looks to Torah myths to explain the Jewish "right" to steal Palestine from the Palestenian people. [/b]
I never said you said anything... :huh: I didn't even quote you at all. :rolleyes:

[Jamal]

Zionism is an imperialist ideology rooted in Judaism. It believes that the Jews are "God's chosen people" and that they have the right to conquer and exploit all other "lesser people's." Zionism is used to justify the stealing of Palestine by Israeli imperialism (which is ultimately a tool of US imperialism).

More recently, it has been used to justify the invasion of Lebanon, and in attacks on Iran.
Exactly.

[Janus]

Moved to Learning.

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 1 2006, 02:38 AM
There are left-wing and right-wing Zionists, and it is interpreted and practiced in many different ways. However, at it's root it embodies colonialism and ethnocentrism, making it a reactionary idelogy. Zionism is an ideology, not a religion. In fact, most Jews considered Zionism heresy until it became popular after WW II.

Do some research.
I agree with this, Marcel outlines it quite well, people should also remember Labor Zionism and so on. And really stop sticking it to the Jews, not all of them want to 'control your media and banks' that's a stupid idea that is itself reactionary.

[emma_goldman]

Wikipedia describes Zionist as: "Zionism is a political movement and ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, where the Jewish nation originated over 3,200 years ago and where Jewish kingdoms and self-governing states existed up to the 2nd century."

Wikipedia article (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism)

However, I remember reading that at first the Zionists were concerned only with living in their homeland. The religious ones believed that if they cultivated the land of their ancestors they would become closer to God. The others, were more wholly concerned with socialist models like the kibbutzim. However, they were both pretty socialist and not imperialist. ;)

Kibbutzim (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutzim)

[RedKnight]

It was the revisionist zionists, like zabotinsky, who corrupted zionism. Albert Einstein was a socialist who supported labor zionism, while opposing revisionism.

[emma_goldman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 03:29 AM
It was the revisionist zionists, like zabotinsky, who corrupted zionism. Albert Einstein was a socialist who supported labor zionism, while opposing revisionism.
Religious Zionists too. Later on in Zionist history though.