The Anti-war Movement In Israel Is Growing

[il Commie]

The slaughter in Kana was a turning point in all aspects related to the Lebanon War II.

Today was the first time Meretz party participated in an anti-war demonstration.
Meretz is the party of the zionist left, and they supported the war when it began.

The slaughter in Kana broght many israelis to demonstrate against the war today.

The demonstration in Haifa:
http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/850828/h3_wa.jpg

The demonstration in Um el-Fahm:
http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/850968/DSCF4563_wa.jpg

The demonstration in Tel-Aviv:
http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/850918/002_Wa.jpg

[x_ihag]

Today was the first time Meretz party participated in an anti-war demonstration.
Meretz is the party of the zionist left, and they supported the war when it began

How can a left party support this war!!!! :wacko:

[Janus]

Good to see.


How can a left party support this war!!!!
I'm guessing they can't afford to look too weak.

[Jamal]

Brilliant, but can these protests change anything?

[Janus]

If more people get involved.

But the point is that it sends the message that not all Israelis agree with the government.

[Jamal]

True

[x_ihag]

QUOTE
How can a left party support this war!!!!


I'm guessing they can't afford to look too weak.

so they support the war ?

[Janus]

so they support the war ?
Some do and some don't. I think only one of the Meretz Knesset members opposed it.

[il Commie]

Originally posted by x_ihag+Jul 31 2006, 08:43 AM--> (x_ihag @ Jul 31 2006, 08:43 AM)
Today was the first time Meretz party participated in an anti-war demonstration.
Meretz is the party of the zionist left, and they supported the war when it began

How can a left party support this war!!!! :wacko: [/b]
When a war begins, there is an euphoria.
The less consistent parts of the peace camp are sometimes swept by the euphoria.


Originally posted by [email protected]
Brilliant, but can these protests change anything?

The last war in Lebanon ended because of the protest inside Israel.
But it would be hard for us to bring 400,000 people to protest against the war in Tel-Aviv, like the demonstration against the masacre in Sabra and Shatila in '82.


Janus
Some do and some don't. I think only one of the Meretz Knesset members opposed it.

But now they all oppose the war.
This is a positive development.

[Janus]

But now they all oppose the war. This is a positive development.
Definitely.


But it would be hard for us to bring 400,000 people to protest against the war in Tel-Aviv, like the demonstration against the masacre in Sabra and Shatila in '82.
The war may end but there may still be an occupation like the last one.

[Jamal]

The war may end but there may still be an occupation like the last one

No, in my opinion an occupation may not happen because it has been 21 days and still not one town captured and tens of casualties in the IDF.

[Janus]

No, in my opinion an occupation may not happen because it has been 21 days and still not one town captured and tens of casualties in the IDF.
I thought that their goal was to retain a strip of South Lebanon. If they withdraw, Hezbollah will just regain ground and start firing rockets again.

[Jamal]

No, they said they wanted NATO forces to come to the south for peace keeping.

[Janus]

That may take a while though and they would most likely take over for Israel while the IDF withdraws to some defensive positions.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

I thought they said they opposed international troops coming in?

[Janus]

No, they're ok with it and in fact, I think they called for it.

[Jamal]

Yeh theyre ok, but our president Lahhoud said that he won't allow it
Lets see what he can do.

[Janus]

Concerning the anti-war movement in Israel.

It seems doubtful, like il commie said, that the levels will reach those of the 1982 incursion. It seems that most Israelis polled (74%) agreed with Olmert's actions. First of all, Israel doesn't have another "Sharon" and so far no massacres comparable to Sabra and Chatilla have taken place.

Polls show Israelis support incursion (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060801/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_popular_war;_ylt=AmLd7DzHO9VI3xkKoACIIPKs0N UE)

[Janus]

Israel seems quite resolved to wipe out the Hezbollah threat.

Even the deputy prime minister, a Nobel Peace laureate, has voiced his opinion on it.

Israel resolved to disarm Hezbollah (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060801/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_mideast_39;_ylt=ApmAQAVjVu8uSC0bCiUYLDsUvioA;_y lu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)

[x_ihag]

But now they all oppose the war. This is a positive development.
Agree

No, in my opinion an occupation may not happen because it has been 21 days and still not one town captured and tens of casualties in the IDF
Agree again

Yeh theyre ok, but our president Lahhoud said that he won't allow it
Lets see what he can do.
Who the hell lesten to this one &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; <_<

[il Commie]

Originally posted by Jamal+Aug 1 2006, 06:55 PM--> (Jamal @ Aug 1 2006, 06:55 PM) No, they said they wanted NATO forces to come to the south for peace keeping. [/b]
That is correct.
And if NATO soldiers will enter Lebanon, that means Bush will have soldiers on the western border of Syria (Lebanon) and the wastern border of Syria (Iraq).

These are preperations for war against Syria.
This war is in the serviece of Bush.


Janus
Even the deputy prime minister, a Nobel Peace laureate, has voiced his opinion on it.

Shimon Peres is a retarted old fart.
Nobody in Israel gives a sh*t about what he thinks.

The title "Deputy Prime Minister" was invented solely for him, in order to make him feel important.
It carries no responsiblities with it.

Nobody except the international media cares about what Peres says.

[Janus]

The title "Deputy Prime Minister" was invented solely for him, in order to make him feel important.
It carries no responsiblities with it.
:lol: I figured.

All I was trying to say is that it seems a majority of Israelis seem to support the actions in Lebanon though I&#39;m sure the number will decrease as casualties rise.

[il Commie]

We were 10,000 people in the anti-war rally today.
Many new people joined, including two former knesset members from Meretz.
The police was extremely violent in comparison to previous demonstrations. They arrested 5 demonstrators.

Here are photos from Ynet (http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3286718,00.html), I&#39;ll upload more to Graphics forum when I will have the time.

http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/855804/DSC_0046_hh.jpg

http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/855809/DSC_7014_wa.jpg

[Jamal]

Can these numbers reach up to 400,000 or some thing like it in the near future? like what happened in the 82?

[Cheung Mo]

So opposition to the war is up to like what in Israel? 15%?

Big fucking deal.

85% of them are still mentally deranged religious lunatics.

[La Comédie Noire]

First of all, Israel doesn&#39;t have another "Sharon" and so far no massacres comparable to Sabra and Chatilla have taken place.

Give it some time The Israel army may do something to horrible to be ignored. I mean I know it is bad to hope for something like that but International out cry is needed in a situation like this.

[Jamal]

Well the massaccers that have happened here are enough in my opinion.

They are numerous; from Marwahein(the IDF calls on the civillians of Marwahein to leave the village. Less than 30 min later, a warplane fired two missiles on a pickup truck full of civillians trying to get out of the villiage killing 23), to Sarifa(in which many of our commrades died), to kana(58 dead mostly children), Kaa(27 workers died in an attack on a factory), Hola(60 are still missing), and now shiyyeh(who nows how much) and anyways, the people that died sum up to 1021 up till this moment, isnt that enough?

[Janus]

Well the massaccers that have happened here are enough in my opinion.
Of course. But in 1982, Sharon&#39;s lies and actions also had a lot to do with public disgruntlement with the war.

[anonymous red]

there was a brief article at monthly review on this topic...

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/israel250706.html

refuse to be enemies...

[pandora]

Is there enough time to spread resistance in Israel? Most of the settlers are resolved that anti-Semitism will kill them if they look weak, meanwhile their aggressions create greater tensions. How to convince people of the path of non-violence and that they are brothers and sisters of those in Lebanon, that is the trick instead of opponents.

[anonymous red]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 12:34 AM
Is there enough time to spread resistance in Israel? Most of the settlers are resolved that anti-Semitism will kill them if they look weak, meanwhile their aggressions create greater tensions. How to convince people of the path of non-violence and that they are brothers and sisters of those in Lebanon, that is the trick instead of opponents.
absolutely&#33; i think forging solidarity between israeli and lebanese civilians would do more to stop the fighting and help the region in general than cheerleading for hezbollah.

[Tarik]

That&#39;s a good thing that there are demonstration against the war in Haifa or Tel-Aviv, and not only in Mexico, Brazil, Europe ect...
That&#39;s reassuring too that there are some Israeli people who are thinking and who are less following the government.

[Janus]

Since the Israeli people are not preparing to take action, it seems that the international people will have to though that doesn&#39;t look too promising.

The UN resolution is not very substantive at all and the Arab nations so far haven&#39;t had much success in getting their case across.

[Janus]

It seems that there is growing support for ending the war among the politicians. Some of them believe that the Israel is going to get as good a deal as it could ever get right now and they should take it.

More Israelis criticizing war in Lebanon (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_israeli_doves)

[travisdandy2000]

This all holds that Isreal has a right to exsist&#33; Could someone explain that bogus idea to me? FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA PALESTINE MUST BE FREE&#33;