Brokeback Mountain

[The Feral Underclass]

I have just come out of the cinema, and it's the most incredibly poignant, tragic, outstandingly significant film of the fucking decade!

I actually sat in the cinema and openly wept, just thinking about it makes me cry. Everyone must go and see this film, it's fucking amazing.

[ComradeOm]

Can we have a ban for Babalu aye please?

I've heard excellent things about the movie. I take it its out for general release in the UK now?

[YKTMX]

I probably won't go and see it.

I don't like Ang Lee.
I don't like Ledger.
I don't like Cowboys.
I don't like love stories.

[Amusing Scrotum]

There was an interesting critique of it in the Independent the other day -- Don't rejoice over 'Brokeback Mountain' just yet (http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=766) -- I don't know whether you agree with that or not, but I thought it was an interesting article.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 06:32 PM
I probably won't go and see it.

I don't like Ang Lee.
I don't like Ledger.
I don't like Cowboys.
I don't like love stories.
I guess you have to like filmmaking to not be so ignorant.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Armchair [email protected]an 6 2006, 06:37 PM
There was an interesting critique of it in the Independent the other day -- Don't rejoice over 'Brokeback Mountain' just yet (http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=766) -- I don't know whether you agree with that or not, but I thought it was an interesting article.
First of all, Johann Hari is a stupid twat, and never writes anything of any interest ever.

Secondly, where is it that this film has been "...hailed as Hollywood's coming-out-of-age, the film that finally shows gay people have been accepted into the American mainstream" because of all the reviews I have read on it, and I took the time to read them, I have only ever seen a review, by anyone serious, that hails it as a cinematic masterpiece. Which it is!

Hari seems to have a massive chip on his shoulder, and he rants on about how the film "depicts us as pitiful self-hating victims, doomed to loneliness and despair". Actually, no it doesn't. It shows a story of two gay cowboys, coming to terms with their sexuality in a world that hates them, because hello Johann Hari, that's planet Earth.

The film didn't attempt to have any overt political message, or any political message for that matter, it adapted a book into a screen play and told a very poignant, tragic story. It was not trying to say "It's ok to be gay" because that's not Ang Lee's job. And actually, it's not ok to be gay if he'd take the time to notice. I'm sure that upsets him, but it's the truth...

If he wants to advance gay rights and stop people thinking that we're all self-hating macho men or sissy mincing fools who like wearing women's clothes he should become a fucking communist and help destroy capitalism instead of writing pretentious shit for a nauseatingly liberal mainstream newspaper.

Fucking journalists!

[YKTMX]

No, I do love the movies, just not the aformentioned personnel or genres.

Johann Hari's a male homosexual, btw.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 07:04 PM
No, I do love the movies, just not the aformentioned personnel or genres.
Anyone who preempts seeing the film with a list of stupid reasons not to see it is an idiot.


Johann Hari's a male homosexuak, btw.

So he is.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 07:04 PM
Johann Hari's a male homosexuak, btw.
He looks like a butch Lesbian in his photos

[YKTMX]

Anyone who preempts seeing the film with a list of stupid reasons not to see it is an idiot.

:lol: I'm sure that makes sense to someone.

The only reason not to see a film is because you have a big list of reasons why you know you won't like it.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Jan 6 2006, 06:09 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Jan 6 2006, 06:09 PM)
[email protected] 6 2006, 07:04 PM
Johann Hari's a male homosexuak, btw.
He looks like a butch Lesbian in his photos [/b]
:lol: Aye, he does that.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 07:11 PM

Anyone who preempts seeing the film with a list of stupid reasons not to see it is an idiot.

:lol: I'm sure that makes sense to someone.

The only reason not to see a film is because you have a big list of reasons why you know you won't like it.
You should never judge a film until you've seen it, even if you do have some prejudices about some of the filmmakers etc.

There are some films of Steven Soderbergh I think are shit but then there are others I have seen which I think are great.

I don't generally like films about cowboys and I sure as hell didn't rate Sense and Sensibility by Ang Lee, but that doesn't mean every film he makes is going to be shit or that every film that has a cowboy in is shit.

Further, what the fuck is wrong with Heath Ledger!?

[YKTMX]

You should never judge a film until you've seen it, even if you do have some prejudices about some of the filmmakers etc.

I didn't judge the film, I merely stated a disinclination to pay 6 pounds to watch it. I didn't deter anyone else from seeing it, or doubt the fact that some may enjoy it.

The next time I visit a cinema, I'm not likely to go and see a picture by a director who has frequently dissapointed me with his plodding pacing, camp dialogue and silly action set pieces. I'm also unlikely to see a movie starring an actor I have found consistently wooden and uncharismatic.

I'm more likely to choose a movie by a director who has engaged me and stars whom I have enjoyed.

OK?

:)

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 07:23 PM
OK?
Well, no actually it's not.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Jan 6 2006, 06:27 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Jan 6 2006, 06:27 PM)
[email protected] 6 2006, 07:23 PM
OK?
Well, no actually it's not. [/b]
Fair doos.

[steel town boot boy]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Jan 6 2006, 06:27 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Jan 6 2006, 06:27 PM)
[email protected] 6 2006, 07:23 PM
OK?
Well, no actually it's not. [/b]
wow, for an anarchist you seem to think its very important that he agrees with you.

[Noah]

Does the name 'Brokeback Mountain' try to hint it is a movie about homesexuals? (serious question)

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 06:55 PM
Does the name 'Brokeback Mountain' try to hint it is a movie about homesexuals? (serious question)
:lol: I don't think so, but I'm not the guy to ask...

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 07:55 PM
Does the name 'Brokeback Mountain' try to hint it is a movie about homesexuals? (serious question)
No. It's the name of the mountain where they meet and where they continue their love affair.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by steel town boot boy+Jan 6 2006, 07:37 PM--> (steel town boot boy @ Jan 6 2006, 07:37 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 6 2006, 06:27 PM

[email protected] 6 2006, 07:23 PM
OK?
Well, no actually it's not.
wow, for an anarchist you seem to think its very important that he agrees with you. [/b]
That doesn't make any sense.

[steel town boot boy]

Exactly.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by steel town boot [email protected] 7 2006, 07:33 PM
Exactly.
No seriously, what are you talking about?

[Monty Cantsin]

The Anarchist Tension you’ve put a lot of thought into this movie haven’t you? What do you think about writing up a review on the film for the e-zine? It’s something that’s very now and turning a lot of heads.

(Note: would do it myself but haven’t seen movie, been watching the hetronormative “Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain” over and over again.)

[YKTMX]

(Note: would do it myself but haven’t seen movie, been watching the hetronormative “Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain” over and over again.)



:lol:

[The Feral Underclass]

Has anyone else seen this amazing film?

[Hegemonicretribution]

I will make a point of seeing it this week. I would like to think everyone was above that, but most of the guys I know wouldn't dreram of going to watch this movie because of the stigma, aso I guess I will be ringing the girls fr ths one. To be honest I have heard virtually nothing bad, and it sounds like it has great potential, will post something of worth when I can ;)

[Ownthink]

I probably won't see it because of the same reasons as YKTMX. I absolutely hate Cowboy films, and love stories, and Heath Ledger annoys me.

I also don't think a movie about two gay cowboys who fall in love would interest me.

Though my gay brother will probably see it, and I will hear what he has to say about it.

TAT, don't be so arrogant! Just because someone doesn't like your "oh so great" film for a number of valid reasons doesn't mean you can rip on them and call them an idiot. I'm sure you wouldn't go see Birth Of A Nation or some racist trash movie just because of the material. You don't have to see a film to be able to say you don't like it or wouldn't like it.

[Commie Rat]

Where i live most of the art house and non-blockbuster movies are not available because of their "limited relase status" we can't get any good non-mainstream moviesin the cinemas, and brokeback mountain was one of them so the cinema has decided not to show it, but so what Dukes of Hazzard and they showed that

my town is full of rednecks (and Aj's)

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 09:22 PM
TAT, don't be so arrogant! Just because someone doesn't like your "oh so great" film
Shut up!


for a number of valid reasons

They're not valid.


doesn't mean you can rip on them and call them an idiot.

Yes it does.


You don't have to see a film to be able to say you don't like it or wouldn't like it.

Yes you do.

[Noah]

With all respect TAT but if everyone's attitude was like that on this forum, then it would be hectic and pointless.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 05:30 PM
With all respect TAT but if everyone's attitude was like that on this forum, then it would be hectic and pointless.
Thank god it's no then.

[FatFreeMilk]

I totally want to go and see this movie but I don't know anywhere near me that's showing it because it's out on limited release or whatever.

I remember they were showing a making of the film on the tv guide chanel (this was before I realised it was a movie with gay cowbows) and saw the part where the actors were talking about some love scene. I caught a quick glimpse of the two guys all up on each other and was like "WTF!" . Wow.

I heard that two theatres in Utah banned it even after a whole bunch of presale tickets were sold. Controversy.

[The Feral Underclass]

That sucks because you'd love it...

[Comrade_Sephiroth]

I saw it about a week ago... Really, really cool. To actually show gay cowboys as they really were at the time. And no, it wasn't pretty having to deal with all the ignorance and hate back then. Granted, things in Wyoming have probably changed some since then, but it's still a huge problem especially among rural cultures. Any movie about something like this is probably not going to have a happy-joyish ending.

Perhaps someday there really will be a comedy or happy-ended drama that portrays homo dudes as just that, dudes. It seems that almost all gay films with an upbeat emotional feeling are swishy, which makes it feel very superficial and unrealistic, at least for the majority of men-who-like-men. Yes we are actually attracted to MEN.

[FatFreeMilk]

So I went to go see it yesterday....with my dad. Let's just say my dad's very traditional...so when it got to the part where they're laying (lying?) in bed together at the motel he says to me "lets go, we're leaving" . At one point before that he made me go get him a refill :lol:

So anyways, what happens? I didn't like where the plot was going so somebody can you please tell give me the deets?

[Abood]

I wanna watch that movie, but people in my country are so homophobic. there is no way that movie is gonna be viewed in theatres, and no way people will bring it in illegal copies, since no one really supports gay rights and stuff doing with gays are completely illegal.

[Sabocat]

I saw it last weekend and was one of the best movies I've seen come out of Hollywood in some time.


I think the most poignant aspect of the film is the tragedy of everyone involved. The wives for being in a less than satisfactory emotional relationship and the main characters for not being able to live happily for fear of societal reprecussions. Tragic indeed.

I think it was absolutely the right film for the right time (at least here in the puritanical States) and sincerely hope that this film creates much needed conversation.

For those that are not going to see it because it's about cowboys, I think you're doing yourself a great diservice, as the cowboy aspect is ancillary to the story and focuses more on the actual relationships and societal attitudes.

[vox_populi]

I saw it yesterday!

It was freakkin awesome! The camera work was just amazing, Ledger and Gyllenhaal does their best acting ever. I have alot of respect for Ang Lee's work and this was one of his best films ever.

I'm heterosexual, so i want to point out that you don't have to be homo or bisexual to appreciate this movie. But it's good to have an open mind, and realize that love is beatiful regardless of whom it concernes.

Go see it now!

[Hate Is Art]

Saw it about an hour ago, it really isn't the messianic film that people are making it out to be. Ang Lee can't pace a film for shit, the plot wasn't engaging and Heath Ledger's character didn't make sense.

But it did have great cinamatography and Jake Gylenhaal was brilliant, worth seeing, but see past the hype and the controversy, it's nothing special.

xx

[BOZG]

When I heard there was a film about 2 gay cowboys called "Brokeback Mountain, I thought someone was taking the piss. Not really interested in going to see them. Forbidden love stories don't interest. I like murder and death in my films, in its most gruesome forms.

[Schleppy]

Well, I didn't see it, and I'm probably not going to. There are a few strict criteria for romances in my book. Well, pretty much one, and it's a very, very shallow one, but here it is:

I'll only like a romance if I find one or more of the love interests attractive.

Now, as much as I love Jake Gyllenhaal, that has more to do with his performance in Donnie Darko than his appearance. So, as horrible and one-dimensional as it sounds, that's my justification.

[timbaly]

I saw the movie. I thought it was very good and one of the best I saw in 2005. But I do also think it's overated. I don't think it deserved to win all the awards it has. In my opinion Walk the Line was on par with this film and perhaps even better. Cinderella Man is the best film of 2005 in my opinion.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I wrote a review of Brokeback Mountain for my school's newspaper
To sum it up, Brokeback is an excelent movie. I suppose you have to have some sort of appreciation for romance and to an extent, Westerns. The acting is phenomenal. Tell the story beautifully. I highly recomend it.

This is the unedited version of what was published in my school's newspaper last week:




“Brokeback Mountain” is a movie that chronicles the story of the secret love between Ennis Del Mar (Heath Ledger) and Jack Twist (Jake Gyllenhaal). The stigma that this movie has earned in recent weeks as “that gay cowboy movie” was completely dispelled in my mind after finally watching the film. The sincerity and beauty of “Brokeback Mountain” transcends sexual orientation. What truly set this movie apart from other romances was the rare candid portrayal of the two men who discover a forbidden love and struggle through a variety of obstacle to pursue their relationship.
Ennis and Jack first meet when the two young cowboys are contracted to watch over some sheep on Brokeback mountain in Wyoming in the summer of 1963. Jack is boisterous and life-loving, as opposed to Ennis, who lost his father at a young age and has grown to become cynical, reticent and infamously quiet. Although they have vast differences in character, they gradually become closer. When their intimacy is suddenly revealed during a windy and cold full-moon night, it is passionate, graphic and uncompromising. Neither men know how to deal with it, however. Foreshadowing a life-long internal struggle, they assure each other that they're not “queer.” When their work on Brokeback is done, they part ways and go on to form families hundreds of miles apart.
When they reunite after some years, their passion is even stronger. Jack, who has married Lureen Newsome (Anne Hathaway), wants to move with Ennis to a ranch in Wyoming. Nevertheless, they choose to continue their affair in occasional encounters at Brokeback Mountain. Meanwhile, their wives grow to become deeply affected by their husbands' infidelity. Rather than being portrayed as unemotional villains impeding the relationship of Ennis and Jack, they reflect the emotional anguish of betrayal.
The underlying premise of this romantic tragedy is that a homosexual relationship cannot flourish in a society that works against it. Not only can that relationship not flourish, it is condemned to a violent and tragic downfall. The very homosexual nature of their relationship is the cause of its demise. It's what keeps them apart, what gradually ruins their marriages and their lives. The societal attitude towards their relationship is clearly shown by the disgust and confusion on their boss's face (Randy Quaid) when he sees them together. In the face of aversion to their relationship, both Jack and Ennis strive to embrace the condemning heterosexual world. Either way, they are doomed.
Director Ang Lee (“Hulk” and “Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon”), winner of the 2005 Golden Globe for Best Director and who appears to be one of the most versatile directors in Hollywood has created a true masterpiece in “Brokeback Mountain.” With great attention to detail, he juxtaposes the harsh loneliness of Jack's and Ennis's rural life with the optimism of the luminous mountain setting to which they continuously return. The beginning of the film and the various encounters between Jack and Ennis throughout the movie set on Brokeback Mountain take place before a breathtaking array of landscape shots by cinematographer Rodrigo Prieto.
“Brokeback Mountain” was adapted by screenwriters Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, from a short story by Annie Proulx. It recently won the 2005 Golden Globe for Best Screenplay.
“Brokeback Mountain” also features an expressive and timely score, which includes the Golden Globe winner for Best original Song, “A Love That Will Never Grow Old” by by Gustavo Santaolalla, writer and performer of the Academy Award-winning soundtrack of “The Motorcycle Diaries.”
“Brokeback Mountain” is in my opinion easily deserving of its recent victories at the Golden Globe Awards in various categories, including Best Drama Motion Picture. While this may not be the groundbreaking film for gay cinema that it was presumed to be, it is a brilliant, intimate observation, albeit melodramatic, of the tragic collapse of a foresaken love.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 8 2006, 06:20 PM
Saw it about an hour ago, it really isn't the messianic film that people are making it out to be. Ang Lee can't pace a film for shit, the plot wasn't engaging and Heath Ledger's character didn't make sense.

But it did have great cinamatography and Jake Gylenhaal was brilliant, worth seeing, but see past the hype and the controversy, it's nothing special.

xx
I dissagree completely.
Heath Ledger was easly the better of the two. I don't see what doesn't make sense.
I was plenty engaged by Anne Hathaway's TITS!

[red_orchestra]

I was on set a few days while I was in Alberta...thats were it was filmed. I heard rumblings that is wasn't able to be filmed in the US due to the content...and nobody would support the film in the USA. Kinda sad when you think about it.

It was a damn fine piece of filming... great actors, good story.

[coda]

Good review, Red Zep. The best I've read yet.

there was a similiar movie made in 1982 --- 23 years ago, called "Making Love" without the spectacular landscape, but pretty much the same social issues.

Would be interesting to compare them and see how far they have come in portraying homosexual relationships since then.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0084293/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00...3510709-6379261 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000BZISX0/imdb-adbox/002-3510709-6379261)

[vox_populi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 10:16 PM
I was plenty engaged by Anne Hathaway's TITS!
This movie has everything :P

[Invader Zim]

I intend to watch it simply because conservatives hate it.

[Black Dagger]

Has anyone else seen this amazing film?

Yeah, i saw it last month, i loved it! It was verrrrrrry sad though, i cried in the closing scenes, it's so fucking tragic- but a great film, and yeah, im not usually a fan of Heath Ledger! :)

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 9 2006, 12:20 AM
Saw it about an hour ago, it really isn't the messianic film that people are making it out to be.
I'd be interested to know who is making it out to be messianic. Obviously that's taking a little too far.


Ang Lee can't pace a film for shit

Generally true, but 'Brokeback Mountain' had just the right momentum. Anymore and it would have been too much.

I think he got the pace of the film just right. The story wasn't a fast paced drama, it was a documentative exploration between two men’s love for each other over twenty years.

How else would you have wanted it to be paced?


the plot wasn't engaging

I suppose that comes down to whether you appreciate or have any emotional connection to a story about two men falling in love in an adverse situation. Obviously you don't, but that only makes the plot unengaging to you...


Heath Ledger's character didn't make sense.

Of all the criticisms I've heard of the film this must be the most unfounded. Ledger portrays the fear and denial brilliantly, it was obvious to everyone in this thread at least. It's so painfully obvious what Ennis Del Mar was going through, I don't really know what to say...

The whole narrative of the film is character lead so to make this assertion would mean that no one would have cried at the last scene, which people obviously did. I think the character didn't make sense to you. The film is an incredibly mature film, so maybe this was the reason. No offence.

He was lonely, proud and desperately in love with someone he always new he could never be with.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 08:58 AM
I was on set a few days while I was in Alberta...
You were on the 'Brokeback Mountain' set..?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

what did you think of my review, TAT?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 12:25 AM
what did you think of my review, TAT?
You're an impressive writer and I think you got it spot on.

[Donnie]

I may go see it with my old man or one of my fellow chums. Sounds like an intresting film.

Didn't actually know the film was about a pair of homosexual cowboys until some lass said it to me like last week in the pub, but then again I didn't find out Elton John was gay until I was 15...so... :blink:

[vox_populi]

Hehe...I saw it alone...cus none of my male friends wanted to go with me...two guys watching a movie about gay cowboys...would seem abit suspicious :P
Hehe the same thing happened when I asked my best friend if he wanted to go and grab a coffeé at the local café...he said no and asked if I was gay or something...then I realized that it was valentine's day...it's strange how homophobic some people are :D

[Black Dagger]

You need less homophobic friends, shits not cool.

[vox_populi]

I know...it sucks...i wish that people could be more open...but it's hard to find them in the fascist suburbia i live in...

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Feb 15 2006, 07:48 AM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Feb 15 2006, 07:48 AM)
[email protected] 15 2006, 12:25 AM
what did you think of my review, TAT?
You're an impressive writer and I think you got it spot on.[/b]
I appreciate that

what does being an "ex-admin" entail? :lol:

[Red Menace]

I'm not against gays and im not homophobic and I don't mind other people seeing it, but i don't wanna see two guys make out. is that wrong?

[Sentinel]

I'm not against gays and im not homophobic and I don't mind other people seeing it, but i don't wanna see two guys make out. is that wrong?

Why don't you want to see that, if you're not homophobic? What's the reason? And is someone forcing you to go and watch the movie? Or what causes this need to declare that here?

[Black Dagger]

but i don't wanna see two guys make out. is that wrong?

What about two womyn making out? That's hot right?

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 17 2006, 09:20 PM

but i don't wanna see two guys make out. is that wrong?

What about two womyn making out? That's hot right?
Its just a matter of personal preference.

[Gunman]

C Rasmussen got it right there.

[Black Dagger]

Its just a matter of personal preference.

There's a difference between preferring one thing over another, and 'not wanting to see' the other thing at all, because it's 'disgusting' - the latter is homophobia.

[C_Rasmussen]

Well maybe some people aren't used to it. I'm not homophobic but I wouldn't want to really see two guys making out. Hell, I wouldn't want to see anyone of either gender make out.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 17 2006, 09:20 PM

but i don't wanna see two guys make out. is that wrong?

What about two womyn making out? That's hot right?
exactly cause I'm a guy, I would prefer seeing two women making out, rather than to men making out. I wouldn't go crazy or nuts if i saw it. It would be extremely uncomfortable to see it.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Defy+Feb 19 2006, 01:54 PM--> (Defy @ Feb 19 2006, 01:54 PM)
Black [email protected] 17 2006, 09:20 PM

but i don't wanna see two guys make out. is that wrong?

What about two womyn making out? That's hot right?
exactly cause I'm a guy, I would prefer seeing two women making out, rather than to men making out. I wouldn't go crazy or nuts if i saw it. It would be extremely uncomfortable to see it. [/b]
I don't get this.
Lesbian sex and kissing, geared toward the male audience has become extremely prominent in recent years, in all mediums. And it's perfectly acceptable. But when two men make out, then it's gross and unnacceptable because heterosexual men find it physically repulsive.

It's not about what you'd rather see. It's not about what pleases you sexually. You don't go to movies to see things are sexualy arousing, am I right? I didn't find the buttsex in Brkeback Mountain sexually appealing, but that doesn't mean that I find a problem with seeing it.

[Hate Is Art]

Ok I'll try to back up some of the comments I've made.

Heath Ledger was easly the better of the two. I don't see what doesn't make sense.

I just didn't feel any connection to him, there was no build up to show that they lived in a world where they couldn't be accepted until the end when Jake dies, he was cowardly, he should've said 'fuck everybody else, I'll do what I want to make myself happy' in that sense I felt no empathy for him. Although he was well acted, it's just I didn't 'understand' his character.

I was plenty engaged by Anne Hathaway's TITS!

Of course, but she had silly hair in the film.

Id be interested to know who is making it out to be messianic. Obviously that's taking a little too far.

The media and awards ceremonies?

I think he got the pace of the film just right. The story wasn't a fast paced drama, it was a documentative exploration between two men’s love for each other over twenty years.

He didn't, if you look at a film like the constant gardener, that was well paced for a documentative exploration of pharm. trade in Africa. There was so little of incidence to happen to keep one truly gripped and absorbed into the world.

I suppose that comes down to whether you appreciate or have any emotional connection to a story about two men falling in love in an adverse situation. Obviously you don't, but that only makes the plot unengaging to you...

Ok, the plot was flimsy and cliche, a story of forbidden love in a society that won't accept them. It's been done before, only this time with a 'gay' twist.

Ledger portrays the fear and denial brilliantly

He does, but I don't understand why.

When people say no offence, it often means they are going to say something offensive, maybe it would easier to steer clear of personal digs.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by RedZeppelin+Feb 19 2006, 04:48 PM--> (RedZeppelin @ Feb 19 2006, 04:48 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 01:54 PM

Black [email protected] 17 2006, 09:20 PM

but i don't wanna see two guys make out. is that wrong?

What about two womyn making out? That's hot right?
exactly cause I'm a guy, I would prefer seeing two women making out, rather than to men making out. I wouldn't go crazy or nuts if i saw it. It would be extremely uncomfortable to see it.
I don't get this.
Lesbian sex and kissing, geared toward the male audience has become extremely prominent in recent years, in all mediums. And it's perfectly acceptable. But when two men make out, then it's gross and unnacceptable because heterosexual men find it physically repulsive.

It's not about what you'd rather see. It's not about what pleases you sexually. You don't go to movies to see things are sexualy arousing, am I right? I didn't find the buttsex in Brkeback Mountain sexually appealing, but that doesn't mean that I find a problem with seeing it. [/b]
gross, maybe. unnacceptable, of course not. I have several homosexual friends, and I am all for gay rights and all, but being a male myself, i prefer not to see guys make out, but you will never see me protest it or try to stop it. I am sure it is the other way around also. I'm sure alot of women don't wanna go see a women in which a lesbian couple is making out.

[Janus]

It seems that Brokeback Mountain is quite popular and has been very well received in the UK.

Brokeback emerges as Bafta winner

Western romance Brokeback Mountain emerged as the big winner at the Orange Bafta awards, winning best film and director for Ang Lee.
Jake Gyllenhaal also won a best supporting actor for his role in it playing a gay rodeo cowboy.

There was disappointment for The Constant Gardener, which took only one of the 10 awards it was nominated for.

Philip Seymour Hoffman won best actor for Capote, while Reese Witherspoon won the actress award for Walk the Line.

British actor Rachel Weisz had been nominated in the best actress category for The Constant Gardener, alongside Charlize Theron for North Country and Dame Judi Dench for Mrs Henderson Presents.
In all Brokeback Mountain won four awards, including best adapted screenplay. It is widely tipped to win many of the same awards at the Oscars in March.

Speaking backstage, director Lee said: "When we started making the movie we thought it was going to be a small precious film, now it's a big precious film. "I'm not saying the British are smarter but I feel very committed to them."

'Just a pleasure'

But Heath Ledger and his real-life partner Michelle Williams missed out on the actor and supporting actress titles.

Speaking after receiving his supporting actor award, Gyllenhaal said: "It's just a pleasure to be a part of this movie and I can't even believe I've got this for it."

George Clooney also walked away empty handed, having been nominated for four awards, including two supporting ones for Syriana and Good Night, and Good Luck and best director for Good Night, and Good Luck.

The best British film on the night went to Nick Park's animated feature Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were Rabbit.

Accepting his award, Park said: "This is just amazing. I was just so delighted to be nominated alongside all the proper films tonight, I never thought I'd be up here."


The special achievement of a British director or producer in their first film went to director Joe Wright for his adaptation of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice.

Wright said: "I'm just delighted. I really thought that because it was a panel vote it might go to people who had gone to war-torn places.

"I'm very surprised and delighted. It's going to go on top of my bookshelf and I'm going to look at it when I'm feeling a bit down."
He also said he was surprised Keira Knightley had not been nominated for her role in the film as Elizabeth Bennett.

"Thank you to Keira, my star who brought so much light and love to this film," said Wright in his acceptance speech. "I do not know why she is not here tonight but I'm sure you will all join with me in wishing her all the luck at the Oscars."

Race drama

Memoirs of a Geisha, based on Arthur Golden's best-selling novel, won three awards including best soundtrack, composed by John Williams, and costume design.

Ensemble drama Crash won two awards, including best supporting actress for Thandie Newton, who is part British and part Zimbabwean.

Paul Haggis won the best original screenplay for the film, which centres around 24 hours in a racially volatile Los Angeles.

The make-up and hair award went to The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, while Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire won best production design.
British film producer Lord Puttnam was given a Bafta fellowship in recognition of his body of work, which includes Chariots of Fire and The Killing Fields.

Lord Puttnam, who received a standing ovation when he collected his award, said he was disappointed Clooney had not one any awards.

"He puts his career on the line. He's been politically committed and has taken big cuts in his salary to make these kinds of films," he said.

"My hope is that other film-makers will do that too. "I'm sorry that Clooney didn't win best director because of what he put himself through."
Perhaps, I should go see it sometime. Though I don't really want to go alone, that may be a bit awkward.

[Sentinel]

exactly cause I'm a guy, I would prefer seeing two women making out, rather than to men making out. I wouldn't go crazy or nuts if i saw it. It would be extremely uncomfortable to see it.

You get extremely uncomfortable? Like "scared"? Do you know what the literal meaning of the word homophobia is?


gross, maybe. unnacceptable, of course not. I have several homosexual friends, and I am all for gay rights and all, but being a male myself, i prefer not to see guys make out, but you will never see me protest it or try to stop it. I am sure it is the other way around also. I'm sure alot of women don't wanna go see a women in which a lesbian couple is making out.

"Gross"? You don't realise it is a homophobic statement, saying that you consider my sexuality "gross"? Well, newsflash, it is!

I don't need to hear that shit here, in a leftist community. I get my share of it everyday, in the heterosexist society. :angry:

A golden rule in this kind of thing is, that if you have to begin the sentence with "I'm not against gays and I'm not homophobic and I don't mind other people bla bla bla", there is usually something rotten with it.

By stating that you don't want to see two guys make out, you "let us understand" that you think it's "disgusting". And that means that you are homophobic. Otherwise you wouldn't mind it, like RedZeppelin pointed out.

But then you, of course, told us yourself. "Gross", right?

And we don't give a shit if you have "lots of gay friends". This is a communist board and we won't listen to that kind of crap even if your friends of some odd reason do. :angry:

We communists are that kind of people.


exactly cause I'm a guy

No, not because you are a guy. Because you are a heterosexual male homophobe.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 19 2006, 09:03 PM

exactly cause I'm a guy, I would prefer seeing two women making out, rather than to men making out. I wouldn't go crazy or nuts if i saw it. It would be extremely uncomfortable to see it.

You get extremely uncomfortable? Like "scared"? Do you know what the literal meaning of the word homophobia is?


gross, maybe. unnacceptable, of course not. I have several homosexual friends, and I am all for gay rights and all, but being a male myself, i prefer not to see guys make out, but you will never see me protest it or try to stop it. I am sure it is the other way around also. I'm sure alot of women don't wanna go see a women in which a lesbian couple is making out.

"Gross"? You don't realise it is a homophobic statement, saying that you consider my sexuality "gross"? Well, newsflash, it is!

I don't need to hear that shit here, in a leftist community. I get my share of it everyday, in the heterosexist society. :angry:

A golden rule in this kind of thing is, that if you have to begin the sentence with "I'm not against gays and I'm not homophobic and I don't mind other people bla bla bla", there is usually something rotten with it.

By stating that you don't want to see two guys make out, you "let us understand" that you think it's "disgusting". And that means that you are homophobic. Otherwise you wouldn't mind it, like RedZeppelin pointed out.

But then you, of course, told us yourself. "Gross", right?

And we don't give a shit if you have "lots of gay friends". This is a communist board and we won't listen to that kind of crap even if your friends of some odd reason do. :angry:

We communists are that kind of people.


exactly cause I'm a guy

No, not because you are a guy. Because you are a heterosexual male homophobe.
whoa, calm down seriously. did you not hear me say that i would never protest or try to stop it. Thats the most important thing. I don't care if guys make out. I don't care if other people go to see those guys make out. To me it is a little gross. But heres the beauty part. I am allowed to believe what I want to believe. You are allowed to believe whatever you want to believe. But its when you try to affect others and their behavior and believes that it becomes a problem. You've have seen it in history by many of the worlds notorious dictators. Your no better then these gay bashers you complain about. Why? because you are trying to silence others opinions that aren't yours and that offend yours. Why don't you learn a lesson in tolerance thaen you come and talk to me. In the end I don't need to take this shit from you. peace

[Sentinel]

did you not hear me say that i would never protest or try to stop it.

You fail to understand the nature of homophobia in society, which is perhaps not "your fault", but deserves a reaction none the less.

These values are maintained and spread by the most "innocent-sounding" comments. Someone saying gay sex is "gross" makes someone else think it's ok to hate gays. And that makes a third person think it's ok to kill gays, which actually happens a lot.

At least where I live, hate crimes are increasing. And that sucks, really. I'd like to feel safe when I go out to the night life of my city and try to live my damn life, but I can't, and that makes me pissed off.

Secondly, why do you think there is something called a coming-out process? Because young gays and bis (I'm bisexual myself) are afraid of the reaction of the environment, that tells them they are disgusting, "gross".

No physical action or outspoken protest is needed from anyone to "stop" people from living their lives for many of their best years.

I understand, however, that you might not have thought about this, even though you claim to have gay friends. It's simply not you who gets the shit every day.

So, please ignore the (slightly) emotional tone of my previous post, and instead consider what I'm telling you in this one. I sincerely hope that we can come to an understanding here. :)

Zero-tolerance is the only way to free the society from homophobia, and everyone must start from themselves. So:


Why don't you learn a lesson in tolerance

Towards homophobia? Never.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 19 2006, 11:54 PM

did you not hear me say that i would never protest or try to stop it.

You fail to understand the nature of homophobia in society, which is perhaps not "your fault", but deserves a reaction none the less.

These values are maintained and spread by the most "innocent-sounding" comments. Someone saying gay sex is "gross" makes someone else think it's ok to hate gays. And that makes a third person think it's ok to kill gays, which actually happens a lot.

At least where I live, hate crimes are increasing. And that sucks, really. I'd like to feel safe when I go out to the night life of my city and try to live my damn life, but I can't, and that makes me pissed off.

Secondly, why do you think there is something called a coming-out process? Because young gays and bis (I'm bisexual myself) are afraid of the reaction of the environment, that tells them they are disgusting, "gross".

No physical action or outspoken protest is needed from anyone to "stop" people from living their lives for many of their best years.

I understand, however, that you might not have thought about this, even though you claim to have gay friends. It's simply not you who gets the shit every day.

So, please ignore the (slightly) emotional tone of my previous post, and instead consider what I'm telling you in this one. I sincerely hope that we can come to an understanding here. :)

Zero-tolerance is the only way to free the society from homophobia, and everyone must start from themselves. So:


Why don't you learn a lesson in tolerance

Towards homophobia? Never.
all right, I apologise
and what i meant by the tolerance comment was towards others opinions.
I respect your opinion. I will try to look at it from a different side. I do not mean for my opinions to sound homophobic

[Sentinel]

all right, I apologise
and what i meant by the tolerance comment was towards others opinions.
I respect your opinion. I will try to look at it from a different side. I do not mean for my opinions to sound homophobic

Ok, it's cool. :)

You'll find that my opinion on this is the general on this board, and you'll come to understand it, if you stick around here. Which I hope you will!

We humans learn from shit like this. ;)

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 20 2006, 12:20 AM

all right, I apologise
and what i meant by the tolerance comment was towards others opinions.
I respect your opinion. I will try to look at it from a different side. I do not mean for my opinions to sound homophobic

Ok, it's cool. :)

You'll find that my opinion on this is the general on this board, and you'll come to understand it, if you stick around here. Which I hope you will!

We humans learn from shit like this. ;)
cool, I hope to learn more in the future

[encephalon]

you know, I'm tempted to watch this movie merely because it pisses off some of the less progressive people of the world, but I've very little interest in love stories of any type. I would equally not be interested in watching Pride and Prejudice. It makes no difference whether it's a man loving a man, a woman loving a man, a man loving a woman or a woman loving a woman.

I find the whole concept of romantic "love" to be a rather silly and foolish concept, and although the story may revolve around society's rejection of their love instead of the love itself, the whole concept of love is still integral to such plots. I find such things rather distasteful, especially when emphasized. Love is little more than a bunch of chemicals that overwhelm our senses and sieze our synapses, and I think it really gets a lot more attention than it deserves. To be honest, I'd rather just watch two gay cowboys get on with it :P

That said, I'll still probably watch it at some point. I just hope it's not as infested with love-mites as I've heard.

And yes, I also thought at first that "brokeback" was a play on the word "bareback." Is there an actual brokeback mountain, or a particular reason the mountain was named thus?

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Well i just saw it.

and...it was good!

I normally detest hollywood love stories, that are all like ' i love you' and stuff.

I dont even think they say that to each other even once!

What i would like to say though is, unlike every other thing in the media, the two men are not total queens, they are just regular people. not perfect, but normal.

terribly sad film though, i couldnt help but feel sorry for all the people involved.

also, i thoight there were going to loads of 'gay' fuck scenes, which i could imagine being slightly off putting for adolesent boys. however, there is like 1 scene, and they are fully dressed. If you can watch wrestling, then this is nothing.

overall, very good film. really felt sorry jack twist :( , he was damn cool!

[Black Dagger]

I would equally not be interested in watching Pride and Prejudice.

Would you be interested in seeing Bride and Prejudice? It has singing and dancing! :)

[encephalon]

Would you be interested in seeing Bride and Prejudice? It has singing and dancing!

To be entirely honest, anything that even has the slightest chance of reminding me about Jane Austen's canonization in the literary world makes me want to vomit all over myself to keep her away.

[Jesus Christ!]

I personally feel it didn't live up to the hype at all. If it were a man and a woman I probably wouldn't have felt compelled to see it at all and if I did I wouldn't have liked it as much. If you really critique it minus the hype and the fact that it's about gay people it really wasn't that great of a movie.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Jesus Christ!@Mar 2 2006, 01:05 AM
If you really critique it minus the hype and the fact that it's about gay people it really wasn't that great of a movie.
Are you going to ellaberate? Otherwise why should anyone believe such an equivocal statement?

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 05:01 PM

Would you be interested in seeing Bride and Prejudice? It has singing and dancing!

To be entirely honest, anything that even has the slightest chance of reminding me about Jane Austen's canonization in the literary world makes me want to vomit all over myself to keep her away.
lol :lol:

i get the conection.

[Fidelbrand]

I'm interested in seeing the movie.

Tat, have you watched "Bishonen" ? the director is Yonfan, it's a very celluloid homsexual movie which made me cry too. It is an important movie for me because I disgard my prejudice for homosexuals after this movie.

Link:
http://yonfan.com/eng/bishonen/b-film-1E.html

[Pawn Power]

First movie I paid to see in over 8 months.

It was a touching film, passionate and sad. Ledger did a good job with his character. I really got the feeling that he had a loney childhood and was confused about his feelings.

Some parts of the film were a little slowed paced, i was wondering how Lee was going to wrap the film up. He did and it was spectacular.

The music for the excellent as well.

In general the film moving.

[Fidelbrand]

I still haven't watched it yet. Planning to buy buy the vcd when it is out.

My friend though, said the film is based mainly on sex. Two guys out in the farm, made love, and fell in love.

He said if the film was about hetrosexuals, then people might say they are fickle and sick. But just because in "Brokeback", the two are males and the society doesn't accept gay people, therefore the film came out to be "sad" and "romantic".

What's your view?

[Black Dagger]

He said if the film was about hetrosexuals, then people might say they are fickle and sick.

Except that the plot would make no sense if the film was about heterosexuals, unless maybe it was set earlier in the 20th century and it was an 'inter-racial' couple or something, even then it would not be same. The very fact that the two lovers in the film are gay makes the context of the film 'make sense'. It's 'sad' because of the prejudice/oppression faced by gay people in society now, and in the film, and how this prevent the two lovers from ever being together.

I must say that after thinking about the film more, and after watching a documentary on the history of queer sexualities in film i agree with people like Susie Bright, who argue that this film reinforces what has become the standard in hollywood portrayls of queer lovers - being in a gay/queer relationship means ultimately that you will die sad and alone. It's not an uplifting story, in fact it many ways it can be quite depressing.

The story reminds queer people that we're not accepted by society, that we still face getting beaten and murdered because of our sexuality, that many people still have to hide their feelings from their friends and family, and that many people live lies because of this fear of prejudice, stigma, and the sadness of 'being gay' as presented in this film, and in the majority of hollywood films that deal with this subject. There needs to be more main-stream films that deal with queer relationships in a positive, uplifting way, instead of queer people so often being 'victims', depressed, and lonely.

[TC]

Eh, i really looked forward to seeing this film because it got such good reviews and had so much hype...


...but i really thought Heath Ledger's character was just a jerk!..I couldnt feel sympathetic at all to him, he was soo exploitive of his 'wife' and such jerk to Jake Gyllenhaal's character. Clearly Jack could have done better.

I also thought his accent was silly and Jake Gyllenhaal should get it in all of his contracts that he shouldn't have to wear a mustache...cause it just looks so wrong on him.


Also the sex-scenes were decidedly unsexy. I wanted to see hot Ledger/Gyllenhaal makeout scenes, but the way they portrayed it they just seemed rough and conflicted.

[Donnie]

So my old man leant me the film Brokeback Mountain and all I can say is "WOW" it's such an amazing yet touching film, that raises real issues.
I don't know if another topic has been made by the film but WOW it deserves another topic dedicated to it.
Call me emotional but I nearly cried at the end when he ends up living in a trailer with just his and his lovers shirt.

Some bits I didn't get because I couldn't understand their dilect and I was wondering if someone could clear it up for me?

Did Ernis's daughter know he was gay? I kind of got the feeling she did.

Did Jacks wife send rednecks to kill him because he knew he was gay? Becuase remember Ernis imagines him being killed by them rednecks. Or did the accident really happen?

I could hardly understand them because there dilects was so strong, seriously thats why I only got the basic plot line to the story.

This film is deffinetly going into my Top 10 most rated films.

WOW

[Comrade J]

I think his wife was lying when she said there was an accident, it was a very rehearsed, emotionless speech, and I think she knew he was gay and had him killed. I think the bit where it shows him being murdered is what actually happened, and what his boyfriend deep down knew had happened.

And yeah, it's an awesome film, made me cry and I neeeever cry at films. The end just got to me.

[Black Dagger]

It was not an 'accident', though i'm not sure that there's any evidence to suggest his (ex-)wife had him killed.

This is what i said before, and i what i still feel about this film,

I must say that after thinking about the film more, and after watching a documentary on the history of queer sexualities in film i agree with people like Susie Bright, who argue that this film reinforces what has become the standard in hollywood portrayls of queer lovers - being in a gay/queer relationship means ultimately that you will die sad and alone. It's not an uplifting story, in fact it many ways it can be quite depressing.

The story reminds queer people that we're not accepted by society, that we still face getting beaten and murdered because of our sexuality, that many people still have to hide their feelings from their friends and family, and that many people live lies because of this fear of prejudice, stigma, and the sadness of 'being gay' as presented in this film, and in the majority of hollywood films that deal with this subject. There needs to be more main-stream films that deal with queer relationships in a positive, uplifting way, instead of queer people so often being 'victims', depressed, and lonely.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 30 2006, 11:04 PM
There needs to be more main-stream films that deal with queer relationships in a positive, uplifting way, instead of queer people so often being 'victims', depressed, and lonely.
What did you think about the movie Rent? That was a mainstream film about queers.

[ItalianCommie]

Brokeback mountain was a great film. Very touching indeed. But dear comrades, seeing the two guys were married etc, wouldn't you consider them as bisexual, rather than merely gay?

[Comrade J]

no cause it wasnt a society that accepted gay men, they had no option but to find a girl and get married. They had probably had homosexual thoughts and dismissed them, and 'settled down' with a wife.
It doesnt make them bisexul.

[Invader Zim]

There needs to be more main-stream films that deal with queer relationships in a positive, uplifting way, instead of queer people so often being 'victims', depressed, and lonely.

I think you are actually understating the situation. All the mainstream films I can think of, of this type, end up with the homosexual being killed, just take Gia, Boys and Philadelphia dont cry as examples.

[Janus]

Merged.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 4 2006, 03:05 PM
no cause it wasnt a society that accepted gay men, they had no option but to find a girl and get married. They had probably had homosexual thoughts and dismissed them, and 'settled down' with a wife.
It doesnt make them bisexul.
I disagree.

If anything they would be bi. Heath Ledger's (the same can be said for Jake Gyllenhaal's character) is clearly attracted to his wife to a point in the film, they have kids, and Ledgers' character explicitly rejects a gay identity ('i'm no queer'), both characters defy the label 'homosexual' IMO, and would more aptly be regarded as bi, though of course they're fictional characters so this is really pointless speculation :P