Lebanese Have Broken Into The Un Hq In Beirut

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

They are burning American and Israeli flags, and it looks like they are gogin to set the building on fire.

Israel should fear the masses. A ground invasion would be a massacre for them.

The populace are now supporting Hezbollah, there are many flags with their symbols / rhetoric on them.

Interesting development.

[Jamal]

Well this will continue for about 2 days tops and then the people's fire would be put outs by their masters and then nothing is gonna happen as a result.

[Kamraten]

yeah probably.


Lebanese women sharing her view on this mather.
http://img.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0607/30/w1.jpg

Fight the power!.

[*PRC*Kensei]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 11:20 AM
Well this will continue for about 2 days tops and then the people's fire would be put outs by their masters and then nothing is gonna happen as a result.
but mate...from my vieuw "their masters" arnt doing a damn thing for them ?

why the F*ck doesnt your goverment declare war & shoot the damn bombers...

it's their duty to PROTECT their people. even if they know it will end up bad for them... it's their duty.. like it's your duty to support your men or wife when she's ill.

anyway, their not the agressor & it's not up to ME to blaim them for in-activity. (maby it's up to you..i dont know, their not my goverment) , but the damn UN shows again how...useless and not caring it is.

[Herman]

Well, well... this whole thing is getting a tad out of hand.

[bayano]

firstly, you forgot to mention, the main slogan of the militants and protesters who attacked the UN hq was to expel the US ambassador.

secondly, i find it curious that while there are progressives calling for the un to send peacekeepers, israel is doing so as well, saying they should be posted on the border (after the end of israel's operations). among the main countries being nominated for the un mission? australia.

[Jamal]

why the F*ck doesnt your goverment declare war & shoot the damn bombers...

My government doesn't have the weopons to shoot the Israeli warplanes or else it would have.


secondly, i find it curious that while there are progressives calling for the un to send peacekeepers, israel is doing so as well, saying they should be posted on the border (after the end of israel's operations). among the main countries being nominated for the un mission? australia.

Well I think its gonna be the NATO forces taking over.

[RedKnight]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 06:56 PM

why the F*ck doesnt your goverment declare war & shoot the damn bombers...

My government doesn't have the weopons to shoot the Israeli warplanes or else it would have.


secondly, i find it curious that while there are progressives calling for the un to send peacekeepers, israel is doing so as well, saying they should be posted on the border (after the end of israel's operations). among the main countries being nominated for the un mission? australia.

Well I think its gonna be the NATO forces taking over.
Why doesn't your government have the weapons needed to defend itself? Your country should spend more of it's domestic financial capital on armament production, and or seek foreign aid from sympathetic nations. P.S. Hezbollah are islamo-fascist reactionarys. We revolutionary socialists should oppose islamism as well as political zionism.

[Jamal]

QUOTE (Jamal @ Jul 30 2006, 06:56 PM)
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why the F*ck doesnt your goverment declare war & shoot the damn bombers...



My government doesn't have the weopons to shoot the Israeli warplanes or else it would have.


QUOTE
secondly, i find it curious that while there are progressives calling for the un to send peacekeepers, israel is doing so as well, saying they should be posted on the border (after the end of israel's operations). among the main countries being nominated for the un mission? australia.



Well I think its gonna be the NATO forces taking over.


Why doesn't your government have the weapons needed to defend itself? Your country should spend more of it's domestic financial capital on armament production, and or seek foreign aid from sympathetic nations. P.S. Hezbollah are islamo-fascist reactionarys. We revolutionary socialists should oppose islamism as well as political zionism.

Because it is forbidden from having such weopons because it is bordering israel, our army is weak and unequipped no body can help us. P.S. We oppose Hezbollah on their islamo-facism but support them in their resistance.

[RedKnight]

In that case I do not get Israel at all. I mean how can the lubnaanese government crack down on terrorism when it is not permitted to have the armed forces and or weapons necessary. P.S. If I were living during World War II, and had to choose between german Nazism and british imperialism, I'd for the time being at least go with the british. Remember that there are never any permanent alliances, only temporary partnerships.

[Jamal]

Well they just contradict their selves in that way, all they actually care about is for their interests. P.S. In that case I would choose to be with the French resistance.

[x_ihag]

Because it is forbidden from having such weopons because it is bordering israel, our army is weak and unequipped no body can help
that's one

and two: is that the syrien's never let us have weapons when they occupied our country ! dont 4get that "rafi2" :blush:

[Cheung Mo]

The only good thing about this war is that there'll be both far fewer Zionists and far fewer Islamists when it's over. It's similar to the War on Terror, of which the only redeeming quality is the number of fundamentalist Christians and Islamists that are being eliminated.

[Janus]

Well I think its gonna be the NATO forces taking over.
That may be a little too late. By the time they get there, the invasion may be over and the occupation begun.

[Jamal]

The only good thing about this war is that there'll be both far fewer Zionists and far fewer Islamists when it's over. It's similar to the War on Terror, of which the only redeeming quality is the number of fundamentalist Christians and Islamists that are being eliminated.

That is non-humane of you!
How can you say that!
Cicillians are dying here, not just Zionists and fundimentalists; some ltft some right...
And by the way, that's not how you get rid of fundimentalists and zionists, dielectics is the only way or else, how are we better?(ethically speaking)


and two: is that the syrien's never let us have weapons when they occupied our country ! dont 4get that "rafi2"

But "rafi2", when the syrians got out, why didn't the new government get the needed weopons?

[LoneRed]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 07:05 PM
. P.S. Hezbollah are islamo-fascist reactionarys. We revolutionary socialists should oppose islamism as well as political zionism.
islamo-fascist reactionaries, what the fuck does that even mean, this sounds like a line from protest warriors. you learn about hezbollah from the media, from their being downplayed, firstly they condemned the 9/11 attacks, for what thats worth, they dont support al-qaida, and unlike other islamic fundamentalist groups they have hospitals and schools for the people of lebanon. and it goes to show that their hospitals arent limited to sunnis, or shi'ites, they are open to all. think before you say something.


Rick

[RedKnight]

[QUOTE]That is non-humane of you!
How can you say that!
Cicillians are dying here, not just Zionists and fundimentalists; some ltft some right...
And by the way, that's not how you get rid of fundimentalists and zionists, dielectics is the only way or else, how are we better?(ethically speaking)[QUOTE]
Unfortunatly, in modern warfare civilians are sometimes killed. It's called collateral damage. I find it hard to believe that israel, as bad as there government has been in the past, would delibritly target non-combatants. The problem is that hezbollah hides out in residential areas. So to hit hezbollah they also get villagers as well. They're called "human shields".

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The problem is that hezbollah hides out in residential areas. So to hit hezbollah they also get villagers as well. They're called "human shields".

"Human Rights Watch has reported that the Israeli Defense Forces used Palestinian civilians as human shields during the Battle of Jenin 2002. The practice was subsequently outlawed by the Israeli Supreme Court but the IDF continues to practice it. In 2004, Amnesty International documented a case in which Israeli soldiers tied a 13 year old Palestinian boy to their Jeep as a shield against demonstrators. Israeli human rights group B'tselem has documented cases of the practice used in the Gaza Strip in the summer of 2006." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields

The problem is, you've been watching too much FOX news. If you think this is a war against Hezb'ollah, you're absolutely wrong. This is a conquest. Why do you think the Israelis deliberately targeted Lebanese military officials? Are they in Hezb'ollah? How about the 400 civilians they've killed? Hezb'ollah is acting in response to Israeli aggression.


islamo-fascist reactionaries, what the fuck does that even mean,

It means Islamacists, who are reactionary, and wish to instal a theocracy on their society and the world.


this sounds like a line from protest warriors.

You're right it does. I prefer "reactionary Islamacist," though that's sort of an oxymoron.


you learn about hezbollah from the media, from their being downplayed, firstly they condemned the 9/11 attacks, for what thats worth, they dont support al-qaida, and unlike other islamic fundamentalist groups they have hospitals and schools for the people of lebanon. and it goes to show that their hospitals arent limited to sunnis, or shi'ites, they are open to all. think before you say something.

There are plenty of posts around here on Hezb'ollah. I posted something from the Cuban press on them, and analysis from a few communist groups. While the communists (and workers and farmers of Lebanon) share a common enemy with Hezb'ollah, that's where it ends. If Heb'ollah were to come to power in Lebanon, they would murder/imprison all leftists, and do their best to smash all worker and farmer struggles. Have we learned nothing from Iraq, Iran & Egypt?

[x_ihag]

But "rafi2", when the syrians got out, why didn't the new government get the needed weopons?

Well "rafi2" did she got any chance to buy those weapons ?!?!?!

[pandora]

There is a lot of ignorance here, but considering the media it is understandable. Apologizes to those here who are currently in Lebanon or Lebanese for some of the unfeeling comments against the slaughter of innocents in your country. There is no excuse for such actions, and that the countries of the U.N. are allowing Israel in addition to the U.S. to lead it around like a cow by a rope only shows how truly weak the organization is right now.

Israel has currently made statements on air now that this is about winning. It is not about anything else and they wish to commit ground troops to take 30 miles of Lebanese territory. The speaker to the U.N. on behalf of the Lebanese government sees Hezobelah as a force of protection against Israel. Lebanon's lack of military might is the reason for Hezabolah's popularity right now, but the primary concern here is not Hezabolah, it is the attack of Israel on a soveign nation violating international law. Of everytime someone was kidnapped there was this sort of attack there would be attacks all over the world, because kidnapping happens everyday.

There were probably Israeli's kidnapped in El Salvador by bandits in the last few years, but they did not launch an offensive against El Salvador. This is a land grab pure and simple to remediate loses on the Gaza Strip. The people of the Gaza Strip are being punished for their stubborness by having a huge wall taking one third of their farm land away being built which will starve them away from the rest of the world.

The nastiest bit of this is that Israel trys to assert itself as the moral compass while it tries to wipe it's largest competitor for tourism off the map with bombs. Was Lebanon attacked over Hezabollah or because of the new Marriot? Why bomb the airport. This is clearly an economic war against the other nations of the Middle East it feels in contention with I am a "Turkish Jew" by heritage but I don't agree with Israel's actions, but I am a filthy Arab Jew so what do I know-- eh Zionists.

[Jamal]

I'm kust sick of people saying that Hezbollah is using people as "human shields", if their is a bank robbery and the thief has hostages, would the police shout the hostages to kill the thief?


I find it hard to believe that israel, as bad as there government has been in the past, would delibritly target non-combatants

Well believe it; I, as a Lebanese, have witnessed that Israel actually has the pleasure in killing civillians because its the only thing it knows how to do and it does right. In this war alon, the civillians dead are above 700 ARE THEY ALL BY MISTAKE? 700 mistakes! If they don't know how to shout straight why did they launch a war?

[dso79]

Originally posted by RedKnight
Unfortunatly, in modern warfare civilians are sometimes killed. It's called collateral damage. I find it hard to believe that israel, as bad as there government has been in the past, would delibritly target non-combatants.

It’s true that sometimes civilian casualties are unavoidable, and the Geneva convention does allow a certain amount of “collateral damage”. However, in this case, the collateral damage is completely disproportionate to the military gain. Hundreds of homes have been destroyed and more than 700 civilians have been killed, while only a few Hizbullah fighters were killed in the bombings. That means that even if Israel was trying to target Hizbullah fighters, these attacks still constitute war crimes.

However, many of the targets that Israel deliberately attacked were civilian: convoys of refugees, aid convoys, ambulances, property belonging to Hizbullah's political wing, bridges, the airport. In most of these cases there weren’t any military targets in the vicinity.


The problem is that hezbollah hides out in residential areas. So to hit hezbollah they also get villagers as well. They're called "human shields".

The following article explains why that is a lie:

The "hiding among civilians" myth (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14252.htm)

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Because it is forbidden from having such weopons because it is bordering israel

Who forbid you from having such weapons?

[Janus]

Israel itself most likely. The first thing they would attack would be air defense installations.

[Jamal]

no its not Israel, its all the counries that manufacture and sell weopons by a direct order from the USA.

[Janus]

What about Syria and Iran? They pay lip service to the US?

Couldn't the Lebanese gov. secretly buy them like the Palestinians?

[Jamal]

Well as for Iran, they don't care about the Lebanese government, all they care about is Hezbollah and they are equiping them with excellent weopons and they are also giving them very good training.

As for Syria, it will not give us any weopons because it used to controll Lebanon for 15 years and it wanted to dominate Lebanon not letting it rise its head and when it got out, the relations between the two countries are not good at all.

[Janus]

As for Syria, it will not give us any weopons because it used to controll Lebanon for 15 years and it wanted to dominate Lebanon not letting it rise its head and when it got out, the relations between the two countries are not good at all.
I figured though I think that they should at least help Lebanon now. Hopefully, some military aid can come in after this is over to prevent the odds of another bombardment.

[Jamal]

They are fuckers, they don't car about Lebanon.

It was so hard enough to give us some fuel from their reserves(because Israel bombed some of our reserves and we are running low on fuel) and they are still planning it.
But I trully hope so.

[Janus]

I didn't mean exclusively Syria. Lebanon could deal with some international arms dealers...


because Israel bombed some of our reserves and we are running low on fuel
Heard about that and posted in Science and Enviro. It seems that it is causing a potential ecological disaster.