MichaelCollins
29th July 2006, 22:21
I am an Anti-Capitalist and I am an anti-Imperialist. I think that these two aspects of my personailty and politics are in no small way derived from my Irish heritage and the 800 years of struggle against Imperialism and the current systemic control the British hold via economic strings.
However, I have problems with "Socialism" per se, and before I decided to cast my lot in and venture outside of this area of the forum I would like the following things addressed.
1) Communists say they are Anti-Fascist, however the Soviet Union was functionally similar to Nazi Germany. Likewise, Mussolini's father had been a Socialist activist and so had Mussolini, before defining the Doctrine of Fascism. Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels of the NSDAP is well known to have hated the "bourgeoisie" more than the Jews and to have made many comments friendly to Bolshevism, at least in comparsion to the systems of the Western Allies.
Soviet art, particularly scuplture, is not really at all different from National Socialist sculpture.
2) You seem to count "Third Possitionists" and "National Anarchists" in with "fascists," despite the fact that Fascism requires loyalty to the State above all else. While it may be akin to National Socialism, and in fact the Strasser's Black Front faction of the NSDAP is generally regarded as being an ideological precursor in modern times to this doctrine (it did involve a violent opposition to Adolf Hitler and the Munich faction of the party).
If the fight is against Imperialism, would not Nationalism support anti-Imperialism? Are you anti-Nationalist or are you anti-racist? Stalin's 1913 tract entitled "Marxism And the National Question" contains the following:
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/.../1913/03.htm#s1 (http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03.htm#s1)
Thus, a nation is not a racial or tribal, but a historically constituted community of people.
...
We thus arrive at the most "complete," as Bauer calls it, definition of a nation:
"A nation is an aggregate of people bound into a community of character by a common destiny."
Which fits, as though Hispanics are nota "race" as National Socialist-types would define a Race, they are a Nation under the terms of Joseph Stalin. Likewise, the Irish, being a conglomeration of Gaels, Norse proper (vikins), Normans and assimilated Anglo-Saxons, are a unique Nation with a define culture, national character, territory and economic unity (unless one counts the partition of the northern 6 counties).
James Connolly also wrote in support of Socialism AND Nationalism, as did many others.
3) Why do Marxists tie themselves so closely to "anti-Racism" when Marx himself was a Racist?
as can be seen here:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works...s/62_07_30a.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works//1862/letters/62_07_30a.htm)
The Jewish nigger Lassalle who, I'm glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation.
...
It is now quite plain to me — as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify — that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a nigger). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also nigger-like.
4) Again, with "third positionism" although this time I mean particularly Distributivism. Socialists, or at least Communists, are against private ownership of land? Or just large corporate types of ownership of land.
Let me quote from Hilaire Belloc's The Servile State:
“All so-called ‘Socialist’ experiments in municipalization and nationalization are merely increasing the dependence of the community upon the capitalist class.”
"There are three replacements for Capitalism: Slavery, Socialism, or Property."
Personally, I am of the opinion that we ought to distribute much of the land as possible, and in those areas (cities) where there is no land, we ought to organize the workers into syndicates to control the industry. However, as for government control -- I am not for it.
5) how can one be both pro-Marxist and anti-Zionist when Marx was taught communism by Moses Hess, the man who also founded Zionism? While the ideologies seem to run against each other, some times i do not think they do.
"All I know is that I am not a Marxist" -- words often attributed to Karl Marx himself. I believe that we have much in common though we may word it differently and quote from different sources. I am curious as to what I see as some discrepencies, though I am not here to troll -- just seeking honest information and possible alliances.
Saoirse go deo.
However, I have problems with "Socialism" per se, and before I decided to cast my lot in and venture outside of this area of the forum I would like the following things addressed.
1) Communists say they are Anti-Fascist, however the Soviet Union was functionally similar to Nazi Germany. Likewise, Mussolini's father had been a Socialist activist and so had Mussolini, before defining the Doctrine of Fascism. Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels of the NSDAP is well known to have hated the "bourgeoisie" more than the Jews and to have made many comments friendly to Bolshevism, at least in comparsion to the systems of the Western Allies.
Soviet art, particularly scuplture, is not really at all different from National Socialist sculpture.
2) You seem to count "Third Possitionists" and "National Anarchists" in with "fascists," despite the fact that Fascism requires loyalty to the State above all else. While it may be akin to National Socialism, and in fact the Strasser's Black Front faction of the NSDAP is generally regarded as being an ideological precursor in modern times to this doctrine (it did involve a violent opposition to Adolf Hitler and the Munich faction of the party).
If the fight is against Imperialism, would not Nationalism support anti-Imperialism? Are you anti-Nationalist or are you anti-racist? Stalin's 1913 tract entitled "Marxism And the National Question" contains the following:
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/.../1913/03.htm#s1 (http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03.htm#s1)
Thus, a nation is not a racial or tribal, but a historically constituted community of people.
...
We thus arrive at the most "complete," as Bauer calls it, definition of a nation:
"A nation is an aggregate of people bound into a community of character by a common destiny."
Which fits, as though Hispanics are nota "race" as National Socialist-types would define a Race, they are a Nation under the terms of Joseph Stalin. Likewise, the Irish, being a conglomeration of Gaels, Norse proper (vikins), Normans and assimilated Anglo-Saxons, are a unique Nation with a define culture, national character, territory and economic unity (unless one counts the partition of the northern 6 counties).
James Connolly also wrote in support of Socialism AND Nationalism, as did many others.
3) Why do Marxists tie themselves so closely to "anti-Racism" when Marx himself was a Racist?
as can be seen here:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works...s/62_07_30a.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works//1862/letters/62_07_30a.htm)
The Jewish nigger Lassalle who, I'm glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation.
...
It is now quite plain to me — as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify — that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a nigger). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also nigger-like.
4) Again, with "third positionism" although this time I mean particularly Distributivism. Socialists, or at least Communists, are against private ownership of land? Or just large corporate types of ownership of land.
Let me quote from Hilaire Belloc's The Servile State:
“All so-called ‘Socialist’ experiments in municipalization and nationalization are merely increasing the dependence of the community upon the capitalist class.”
"There are three replacements for Capitalism: Slavery, Socialism, or Property."
Personally, I am of the opinion that we ought to distribute much of the land as possible, and in those areas (cities) where there is no land, we ought to organize the workers into syndicates to control the industry. However, as for government control -- I am not for it.
5) how can one be both pro-Marxist and anti-Zionist when Marx was taught communism by Moses Hess, the man who also founded Zionism? While the ideologies seem to run against each other, some times i do not think they do.
"All I know is that I am not a Marxist" -- words often attributed to Karl Marx himself. I believe that we have much in common though we may word it differently and quote from different sources. I am curious as to what I see as some discrepencies, though I am not here to troll -- just seeking honest information and possible alliances.
Saoirse go deo.