World Trade Center

[unema-]

Special effects looked pretty cool, but they forgot the explosives :lol:

I might go see it just because of Nicholis Cag,e but thatd be tho only reason.
What u guys think?

[SoupIs Good Food]

This movie is just proof that capitalists have absolutley no dignity and will just try to make money off of anything they possibly can.

[emma_goldman]

Why do we have to capitalize off EVERYTHING?

Fuck.

How many more things on 9/11 do we have to suffer through?

Stupid country songs and an already HORRIBLE movie.

Let's move on.

[Delta]

I don't plan on seeing it, but if somehow it turns out to be entertaining, then I'll certainly download it. I'm not going to pay for that.

[Janus]

Another one? :rolleyes:

Moviemakers are always looking for drama and a story to rip off and pack into a 2 hour production. Not surprising. But they should at least find better stories.

[Gryphon]

Originally posted by unema-@Jul 29 2006, 06:38 PM
Special effects looked pretty cool, but they forgot the explosives :lol:

I might go see it just because of Nicholis Cag,e but thatd be tho only reason.
What u guys think?
They portray the deaths of civilians and they sell it. The movie should be free to anyone who wants to see it.

[Invader Zim]

I fail to see the point in a movie on the subject, after all, I can still vividly remember the day in question and remember seeing the images of the planes hitting the towers. I have absolutly no desire to see a grossly sentimental adaption of these events.

[Gobythebear]

Why is it such a big deal? 3,000 people died, boo-hoo. There's alot more dying in the world then that.

[Yamashita]

Why is it such a big deal? 3,000 people died, boo-hoo. There's alot more dying in the world then that.

Well it was the biggest attack on US soil that is why it is such a big deal, i doubt 3,000 individuals die in 1 day from 1 sole attack very often.

Anywhoo, to tell you the truth this is not a movie i would go watch, not necessarily because what it is about , but because these types of movies are just filled with every freaking cliche there is, which makes me sick.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 03:53 PM

Why is it such a big deal? 3,000 people died, boo-hoo. There's alot more dying in the world then that.

Well it was the biggest attack on US soil that is why it is such a big deal, i doubt 3,000 individuals die in 1 day from 1 sole attack very often.

Anywhoo, to tell you the truth this is not a movie i would go watch, not necessarily because what it is about , but because these types of movies are just filled with every freaking cliche there is, which makes me sick.
Thousands of children die daily of hunger and curable diseases.

[Yamashita]

Around the World, yes. But we are talking about 1 single event, 1 single attack. It's like saying "Boo Hoo" thousands died in the Asian Tsunami. I mean to me it just seams really retarded and ignorant for anyone to say such a thing, to denounce 3,000 dead in America as less important than 3,000 dead somewhere else. The connotations of gobythebear's words are pretty ignorant, i don't know what his meaning is? To me he is obviously anti-American.

People dying somewhere is not less important than people dying anywhere else. Might as well denounce the Rwandan genocide because more people died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Morag]

Yamashita: Your point is correct, technically. However, in the grand scheme of things, the 3,000 who died in WTC were considered more important and their deaths were acted upon in a way that the millions who die every year of completely preventable things will never warrant in Western culture. You mention the tsunami victims, and there was a huge huge out pouring of support and aid after the tsunami because of how absolutely sudden and terrifying it was (and also the fact that many Westerners had family living in the effected areas still, or vacationing there when the tsunami hit); however, every two weeks, the equivalent of a tsunami sweeps through AIDS ravaged areas in Africa, and they receive little attention. Recently in canada there has been a lot of media spent on the pandemic, but that's because Toronto is hosting the International AIDS Conference next week.

I think it's the overreaction to 3,000 deaths that gets so many people angry. I know that's what gets me. Especially when those 3,000 deaths have been used as justification for the deaths of so many many times more, while we're still ignoring so many people who could be helped.

[Yamashita]

Well, the thing is people in America had never seen the face of terror in their doorsteps. It was not blowned out of proportion, when have you seen two airplanes crash into one of the biggest buildings in the World? In one of the most important cities of the World and on one of the most important buildings of the World? It defenitaly seemed taken out of a Hollywood movie!

If this had happened in the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lampur Malaysia maybe some people would not say, "Boo hoo big deal". To me whoever says these things about the WTC 9/11 attacks, seem more anti-American than being genuinely fed up with over "rememberence" of this event.

[Morag]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 12:53 AM
Well, the thing is people in America had never seen the face of terror in their doorsteps. It was not blowned out of proportion, when have you seen two airplanes crash into one of the biggest buildings in the World? In one of the most important cities of the World and on one of the most important buildings of the World? It defenitaly seemed taken out of a Hollywood movie!

Oklahoma Cty Bombings.

Atlanta, 1996.

The original WTC bombings.

Then of course there was the 1960s, were small-scale terrorism occured, including the Panthers and the Weather Underground.

So, no. You're wrong in saying the American people had never seen terrorism in their own nation. I don't recall any wars being started over the first WTC bombing, failure though it was. When the Oklahoma City buildings was bombed, people were sad and horrified. The Twin Towers come down and people become bloodthirsty. I'd say that the reaction was very very different, wouldn't you?



If this had happened in the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lampur Malaysia maybe some people would not say, "Boo hoo big deal". To me whoever says these things about the WTC 9/11 attacks, seem more anti-American than being genuinely fed up with over "rememberence" of this event.

Whatever. I'm not chuffed about claims of anti-Americanism; I came to my conclusions through analysis and unsentimental reflection.

[emma_goldman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 12:53 AM
Well, the thing is people in America had never seen the face of terror in their doorsteps. It was not blowned out of proportion, when have you seen two airplanes crash into one of the biggest buildings in the World? In one of the most important cities of the World and on one of the most important buildings of the World? It defenitaly seemed taken out of a Hollywood movie!

If this had happened in the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lampur Malaysia maybe some people would not say, "Boo hoo big deal". To me whoever says these things about the WTC 9/11 attacks, seem more anti-American than being genuinely fed up with over "rememberence" of this event.
Anti-Americanism. :lol:

That's interesting. Generally only used by fascists and in fascist nations. ;)

Since when have you heard Anti-Canadianism, or Anti-Mexicoism?

Anti-Americanism is a silly ideal. :wacko:

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 03:59 PM
Why is it such a big deal? 3,000 people died, boo-hoo. There's alot more dying in the world then that.
It did help start 2 wars and it ushered in a new "era" for American policy.

[Yamashita]

Morag, you are right , my bad. Oklahoma city and the previous WTC attack in 93 and also the Atlanta Olympics. But never of the scale of 9/11 of course. I guess the 9/11 attacks were the first of it's kind, 2 planes crashing into two huge skyscrapers and bringing them down! Like i said, it was almost out of a movie! Plus, what i was saying was that in America there was no experience with terrorism in a day to day basis like in Israel and so on.

emma_goldman:


Anti-Americanism.

That's interesting. Generally only used by fascists and in fascist nations.

Since when have you heard Anti-Canadianism, or Anti-Mexicoism?

Anti-Americanism is a silly ideal

WOW! Are you serious! :o I can't believe people in this day and age don't know or deny anti-Americanism! I guess all those images we see in TV of mass crowds burning American flags should just be considered "anti-American flagists" lmao :lol:

and by the way it's Mexicanism ;)

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 01:19 AM

Then of course there was the 1960s, were small-scale terrorism occured, including the Panthers and the Weather Underground.


I take great offense to the claim that the Black Panthers incited, committed, or enacted terrorist methodologies. The Black Panther was a group who wanted goals for its own people - free healthcare, breakfast for inner city children whose parents could not afford proper nutrition, etc. Their slogans were always against inciting violent actions - rather, if violence was taken onto them, they had a right to defend themselves - something entrenched in the US Constitution Act.

I think the misconception is that the media saw them as gun-toating African Americans and that was it. I don't remember the media focusing on Cointelpro - when Fred Hampton's room was broken into by the FBI and he was murdered at point-blank. And yet the Black Panthers were terrorist?

[Morag]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 6+Aug 7 2006, 01:44 AM--> (Knowledge 6 6 6 @ Aug 7 2006, 01:44 AM)
[email protected] 7 2006, 01:19 AM

Then of course there was the 1960s, were small-scale terrorism occured, including the Panthers and the Weather Underground.


I take great offense to the claim that the Black Panthers incited, committed, or enacted terrorist methodologies. The Black Panther was a group who wanted goals for its own people - free healthcare, breakfast for inner city children whose parents could not afford proper nutrition, etc. Their slogans were always against inciting violent actions - rather, if violence was taken onto them, they had a right to defend themselves - something entrenched in the US Constitution Act.

I think the misconception is that the media saw them as gun-toating African Americans and that was it. I don't remember the media focusing on Cointelpro - when Fred Hampton's room was broken into by the FBI and he was murdered at point-blank. And yet the Black Panthers were terrorist? [/b]
Yeah, alright. I hesitated to include those groups, because I don't agree that they committed terrorism. However, in the view of many Americans, they did. It was this perception which fit the argument- that the American people had witnessed terrorism on American soil.

[cbm989]

Fuck it, go watch loose change second edition instead. itll give you a much clearer picture of what happened.

[La Comédie Noire]

I won't see it. If you still own the clothes that you wore on the day an event happened its not worth seeing a movie about. As for loose change I read a very interesting article in popular mechanics refuting alot of it's claims, of course I took both the article and loose change with a grain of salt.

[MiniOswald]

hmm theres planes, but where are the snakes?

[Yamashita]

hmm theres planes, but where are the snakes?

lol

When i saw the previews for that film i was like WTF!!! Geez can Hollywood be any more original? Snakes on a Plane what kind of retarded ass movie is that? I swear anyone who actually goes watch this film needs to be slapped 50 times!

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Snakes on a Plane is going to rock man. It's a movie designed to be so horrible it's hillarious, and it looks promising in that respect.

[Yamashita]

Snakes on a Plane is going to rock man. It's a movie designed to be so horrible it's hillarious, and it looks promising in that respect.

hahahahaha lol Yes in that respect it's incredibly promising!

[nightwatchman]

This movie is really stupid, since most people would rather watch a movie than read something, people will see this propaganda and it will change thier views on the 9/11 attacks into a more pro american view. I guess making a movie is easier then rewriting the textbooks.

[Che Guevara 1967]

It sickens me that anyone would stoop so low as to make a clearly propagandish film and not even give any amount of the money gained to the victim's families. 9/11 was a horrible thing. Not because it was a large scale attack on American soil, but because 3000 people were killed for personal interests. Do not blame 9/11 on foreign terrorists. The real terrorists that committed the atrocity are American terrorists. They killed those 3000 people for money and land, both of which have been gained since 9/11. 9/11 has been a pretext for EVERYTHING the US has done afterwards. The Patriot Act, The Iraq War, The "War On Terrorism", etc. The real terrorists are in America, and they are elected officials. If you want revenge for 9/11, don't look at the Middle East. Look at Washington. Look at this administration. THEY are responsible.

[emma_goldman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 01:40 AM
Morag, you are right , my bad. Oklahoma city and the previous WTC attack in 93 and also the Atlanta Olympics. But never of the scale of 9/11 of course. I guess the 9/11 attacks were the first of it's kind, 2 planes crashing into two huge skyscrapers and bringing them down! Like i said, it was almost out of a movie! Plus, what i was saying was that in America there was no experience with terrorism in a day to day basis like in Israel and so on.

emma_goldman:


Anti-Americanism.

That's interesting. Generally only used by fascists and in fascist nations.

Since when have you heard Anti-Canadianism, or Anti-Mexicoism?

Anti-Americanism is a silly ideal

WOW! Are you serious! :o I can't believe people in this day and age don't know or deny anti-Americanism! I guess all those images we see in TV of mass crowds burning American flags should just be considered "anti-American flagists" lmao :lol:

and by the way it's Mexicanism ;)
I don't know what point you're trying to make, sorry. Thanks for the tip though. :) Silly me.