Us Concentration Camps

[Red Heretic]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5876/10644421lmz6.jpg

Just remember, it was eight years after Hitler's election before concentration camps were established.

[KC]

It's pointless and counterproductive for the US government to construct these camps on native soil. That is why the government already exports civilians to other countries for imprisonment and torture.

[Red Heretic]

Well, I think this document is outlining the motion of the US to not only use these countless secret prisons they have around the world for imprisonment and torture like you said... but also as a means of forced labor like the Nazis did.

It's one form of the growth of fascism, and it's correlation with the expansion of imperialism...

[RedKnight]

I wonder who all they plan on imprisioning in these gulags. If the neo-cons start targeting leftists as well as islamists, it would then be the time for armed resistance. If they just look up neo-nazis and islamo-fascists however, I say more power to them. :redstar:

[Comrade-Z]

I remember reading an article recently talking about how Halliburton had build secret prisons in the U.S. that could house up to 400,000 people. Indeed, didn't Oliver North reveal during the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s that the U.S. had secret contingency plans for using "mass detention facilities" if they deemed it necessary?

[Kamraten]

I think they are meant for the civilians who oppose the new world order. As i said before a North American Union is on the way, melting the boarders with canada and Mexico together creating one nation. This can not result in any way then Chaos. And chaos is what they want to clear the path for new regletions more security and eventually the totalian state.

[Comrade-Z]

I think they are meant for the civilians who oppose the new world order.

This "new world order," are you talking about a new multi-national capitalist class taking over from the current one? Will this new capitalist class be significantly worse than the old capitalist class?


As i said before a North American Union is on the way, melting the boarders with canada and Mexico together creating one nation. This can not result in any way then Chaos.

I don't see why chaos would have to ensue. In fact, I would expect all three countries to become one political unit anyways come proletarian revolution.


And chaos is what they want to clear the path for new regletions more security and eventually the totalian state.

Yeah, I imagine that if there comes a time in the near future where the capitalist class feels the need for stricter controls, it won't be reluctant to use whatever tricks it can in order to usher that in. A(nother) faked terrorist attack or some other manufactured crisis, perhaps (some sort of Reichstag Fire incident). The question is, will people fall for it and go along with it? It's not guaranteed, and the capitalist class's own tactics may backfire on them this time around.

[LoneRed]

if you look hard enough, you can find these "concentration camps" on native soil presently

[Kamraten]

This "new world order," are you talking about a new multi-national capitalist class taking over from the current one? Will this new capitalist class be significantly worse than the old capitalist class?

What iam talking about is a world government. We can see how the world continents during theese troubled times are moving into Unions, like European union, the African Union the Asian union and North American union. And within theese Unions they have the same Currency, like the Euros.(there are sources claiming that the mexican , canadian and USA currency will be replaced by one currency called "Amero") Instead of having hundreds of nations to controll they now only come down to a couple as they are all united in their Unions. Do you see how easy the world bank can take controll and emerge to a world government?.
Now in a beutifull world vision like John lennons this would mayby be wonderfull. But you can not disagree on the evil powers that are running the show.


I don't see why chaos would have to ensue. In fact, I would expect all three countries to become one political unit anyways come proletarian revolution.
"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has just let the cat out of the bag about what's really behind our trade agreements and security partnerships with the other North American countries. A 59-page CFR document spells out a five-year plan for the "establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community" with a common "outer security perimeter."

"Community" means integrating the United States with the corruption, socialism, poverty and population of Mexico and Canada. "Common perimeter" means wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada."
http://www.northcarolinaconservative.com/a...rt_from=&ucat=& (http://www.northcarolinaconservative.com/archives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1126221692&archive=1126221729&start_from=&ucat=&)

how do you think the American citizens will respond to this? the mexican immigration is a huge topic. And now their president wants to erase their boarders? making US taxpayers carry the burden. (Though illegal cheap labor will be "legal" cheap labor.)
I dont think this is the interest of the proud American people as they hardly know of this plan. And what will come of this, foreign millitary on U.S soil? its against their constitution.
(Though it happen during the Catrina hurricane were several witnes said that they saw Armed mexican troops in texas. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum...ames;read=78837 (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=78837) )
US, Canada and Mexico as one nation, well i can not see into the future but for me it sounds like chaos, but mayby iam wrong.


the capitalist class's own tactics may backfire on them this time around.
Yes perhaps it will backfire upon themself and hopefully!, but over the years it is obvious that USA is building up its defence against its own people. Creating camps wich right now stand empty. burning up all their rights integrity and liberty in the patriot act where it is stated that even anti war activist should be regarded as terrorists.. deploying sound weaponds on streets during peacefull anti war protest, police officers in black stormtrooper uniforms with automatic rifles. surveilance surveilance and again surveilance. USA is already a police state. And by fear and terror this is allowed to happen(yes i believe that 11 september 2001 was a inside job just like hitler burned his buildings) and like you stated perhaps a(nother) faked terrorist attack may be staged, but mainly i think they want the people to fight against each others in somekind of race war etc so that the power can just stand in the shadows and write new laws and regletion. Perhaps some will see threw their agenda and fight back, where the concentration camps come very handy.

Iam not trying to empose anything on anyone you dont have to flame me down, its just my thoughts. There are lots and lots of more to say on this mather but this is not a conspiracy forum. Now back to the topic ;)

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 05:52 PM
What iam talking about is a world government.
That'd be nice. But in reality, unfortunately, the capitalist class is incapable of creating a world government. Its system is built on competition and conflict. Capitalism created the modern nation-state - and will die with it.

And yes, a world government would be a step forward even as a merger of the present goverments. 1) We wouldn't be plagued with the wars between them and 2)they wouldn't be able to use those wars and nationalism to divide working people against each other. But you're all about nationalism and dividing working people in different countries against each other, aren't you?

""Community" means integrating the United States with the corruption, socialism, poverty and population of Mexico and Canada. "

Heh. "corruption, socialism...."? Run on back to whatever Nazi board you snuck in from, why don't cha?

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Back to the actual topic:

Red Heretic, do you have any other information, details, or sources on this besides that graphic? The letter mentions enclosed information, what is it?

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 29 2006, 07:10 AM
Just remember, it was eight years after Hitler's election before concentration camps were established.
The Nazi regime put communists and socialists in prison camps about six months after taking power. Do you mean the death camps?


It's pointless and counterproductive for the US government to construct these camps on native soil. That is why the government already exports civilians to other countries for imprisonment and torture.

As your own organisation's literature states, more and more of the US population are becoming superfluous, so I could see them doing something along those lines. The ASBO laws in the UK and "boot camp" prisons for youth in the US are heading in that direction.

[Kamraten]

I dident write that and how dare you call me a Nazi you fuckface. Its written by the north carolina conservatives. The thing is that there are a huge amount that is against mexican immigration. wich will cause chaos.

But you're all about nationalism and dividing working people in different countries against each other, aren't you?

Oh yeah it will be so wonderfull with a world government you fuckface built by descandents from Nazis, capitalist lovers like rothchild rockafella. You think theese bloodthirsty people can form a better world? they care of nothing then power and money and are only after to enslave us. Look at Brittain look at America its a facists dream that is unfoldning.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 03:49 AM
Red Heretic, do you have any other information, details, or sources on this besides that graphic? The letter mentions enclosed information, what is it?
Unfortunately, no. :(

The image came to me in a MySpace bulletin, and I thought it'd be worthwhile to repost here.

[Severian]

I ask partly 'cause you shouldn't automatically believe everything that shows up in your inbox. Urban legends and all that.

I did a search, and the army does have a policy for establishing civilian prisoner labor programs and camps on its bases. It was revised in January 2005. Here's a PDF off army.mil (http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf) Possibly some version of this policy was included with the letter, originally?

I found that linked in this rather speculative article about potential prison camps, which does link some solid facts. (http://www.alternet.org/rights/32647/)

For many years, the FBI maintained lists of "subversives" to be detained in event of war or emergency. It had different names: Custodial Detention List, Security Index, ADEX. This was - officially at least - ended in 1976.
source (http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/law/swp642FSupp1357.htm)

In 1950, Congress passed the "Emergency Detention Act" authorizing the imprisonment of "Communists" and others at the will of the President. This law was repealed in 1971, and replaced with the Non-Detention Act which provides "No citizen shall be imprisoned or otherwise detained by the United States except pursuant to an Act of Congress."source (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2003_12/002885.php)

So far, of course, that law hasn't prevented the Bush administration from doing exactly that to Jose Padilla and Yasser Essi Hamza(spellling?).

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 04:38 AM
I dident write that and how dare you call me a Nazi you fuckface. Its written by the north carolina conservatives.
Who you described as the "proud American citizens". No, you're responsible for what you post. Its lack of originality is not a point in your favor.

[KC]

I wonder who all they plan on imprisioning in these gulags. If the neo-cons start targeting leftists as well as islamists, it would then be the time for armed resistance. If they just look up neo-nazis and islamo-fascists however, I say more power to them.

Nobody - not even neo-nazis and islamo-fascists - should be exploited in such a way.

Just kill them.


I remember reading an article recently talking about how Halliburton had build secret prisons in the U.S. that could house up to 400,000 people.

I believe you're referring to this (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/010206detentioncamps.htm), although that's not exactly a secret! :P


Indeed, didn't Oliver North reveal during the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s that the U.S. had secret contingency plans for using "mass detention facilities" if they deemed it necessary?

REX-84 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84)


I think they are meant for the civilians who oppose the new world order.

There's no such thing. Conspiracy theories are bullshit.


And chaos is what they want to clear the path for new regletions more security and eventually the totalian state.

And then what? What good would that do them? Moreover, why wouldn't people revolt? I hate conspiracy theories.


they care of nothing then power and money and are only after to enslave us.

They already are.

Get your head out of your ass.

[Dreckt]

We can see how the world continents during theese troubled times are moving into Unions, like European union, the African Union the Asian union and North American union.

Then why is it that the EU constitution never came into being? And only by two nations - France and the Netherlands. If there indeed was a powerful group, then would they not fake the votes and greenlight the constitution? Because that was really a big blow to the neocons, and seeing how the EU gets more and more criticism from it's member states, it doesn't look very much like a functioning union to me. Not to mention that the UK and Sweden doesn't have Euro, with Norway being outside the union altogether...

The African Union? There's just war and poverty all over Africa, as it has been the last 200 years. If anything, Africa would be the first union to be formed because of outside interests.

The Asian Union isn't even a union, it's a weak council that have some meetings once or twice per year. Without China they wouldn't go far anyway.

Then there are no sustainable work towards a union with Canada and Mexico for the US. Hell, every person in the US would become a terrorist if they created such a union without a national vote.

Then again, where is the Middle Eastern Union?


(there are sources claiming that the mexican , canadian and USA currency will be replaced by one currency called "Amero")

Where are the sources? The dollar is still strong. There is no need replacing it.


Instead of having hundreds of nations to controll they now only come down to a couple as they are all united in their Unions.

Yes, well, it would be much easier to control ten unions around the world... but they basically already do control them. Nations are almost long gone, corporations have become the new countries. Nations as they are today are only fictional borders to restrict the workers and stop them from uniting. Unions would, on the contrary, allow workers to work together, thus creating a much larger revolutionary force, once the revolution is ready.


Now in a beutifull world vision like John lennons this would mayby be wonderfull.

Communism and anarchism is exactly about that: a world without nations and governments. We are all fighting for a world without borders here (I hope).


"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has just let the cat out of the bag about what's really behind our trade agreements and security partnerships with the other North American countries. A 59-page CFR document spells out a five-year plan for the "establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community" with a common "outer security perimeter."

It's just a plan. It doesn't look like they have done much with this new union. Oh well, 3.5 years left...


"Community" means integrating the United States with the corruption, socialism, poverty and population of Mexico and Canada.

Wrong. Both Mexico and Canada has conservative presidents/prime ministers. They are not socialist because the people don't control the means of production in either country. Mexico may be poorer than Canada, true, but neither are as corrupted and filthy as the United States government.

The union would only benefit the United States, not Mexico or Canada, because what can they do against the world's mightiest superpower?


"Common perimeter" means wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada."

The US already has quite open borders with Canada. And why would the US government be against Mexican immigration now if the union will be created anyway within 4 years?


http:// www. northcarolinaconservative .com/...

Figures...


the mexican immigration is a huge topic. And now their president wants to erase their boarders?

What??? On the contrary, he enforces the border. Minutemen, civilians as well as the National Guard have all been deployed at the Mexican border. You call this erasing a border?


making US taxpayers carry the burden. (Though illegal cheap labor will be "legal" cheap labor.)

So you mean that despite the union people would come to the US in search for jobs? Then what would be the point in creating a union?


I dont think this is the interest of the proud American people as they hardly know of this plan. And what will come of this, foreign millitary on U.S soil? its against their constitution.

The proud American people? What about the people in Europe, who already are controlled by one government? Foreign military on US soil? The US have 750 heavy equipped military bases all around the world! It's not they who need to worry about "foreign troops", hell, it's us!

Besides, they already "donated" a patch of land to the United Nations - which is "international land"...


(Though it happen during the Catrina hurricane were several witnes said that they saw Armed mexican troops in texas. http://www. rumormillnews .com/...)

If so, maybe the Mexican troops helped the victims? Cuba offered something of about 1000 doctors. Canada helped them too, hell they came to New Orleans before the US relief came. The UK helped them too. The whole damn world offered it's help.


US, Canada and Mexico as one nation, well i can not see into the future but for me it sounds like chaos, but mayby iam wrong.

If chaos would erupt then it would benefit the workers - in chaos there can be revolution.


Creating camps wich right now stand empty.

They already have about 10% of it's population behind bars...


burning up all their rights integrity and liberty in the patriot act where it is stated that even anti war activist should be regarded as terrorists..

But they still protested in 2003 against the war in Iraq...


surveilance surveilance and again surveilance.

Indeed. Just like South Korea and the UK.


USA is already a police state.

The US has been a police state since the end of WW2. Remember the McCarthy "era"?


And yes, a world government would be a step forward even as a merger of the present goverments. 1) We wouldn't be plagued with the wars between them and 2)they wouldn't be able to use those wars and nationalism to divide working people against each other.

Agreed. Seeing how the UN is powerless all the time it seems impossible to ever be united within capitalism.


Its written by the north carolina conservatives.

And the conservatives are known to be against immigration and socialism. Conservatives are also known to have biased/manipulated information. Ever seen "Fox News"?


The thing is that there are a huge amount that is against mexican immigration. wich will cause chaos.

Why? Because the American people have been brainwashed to think that those Mexicans come to the US and steal Americans' jobs?

Employers in the US want "aliens" because they can't go to a workers union to protest in case of abuse or unfair pay. They have no legal protection against discrimination, racism or even physical beating. They are basically slaves - but they come to the US because the employers there pay more than anywhere in Mexico.


Oh yeah it will be so wonderfull with a world government you fuckface built by descandents from Nazis, capitalist lovers like rothchild rockafella.

That their grandparents were nazis doesn't matter. It isn't bound to the blood. I have numerous friends who have totally different views than their parents. Exactly how would capitalism benefit from a world government?


You think theese bloodthirsty people can form a better world? they care of nothing then power and money and are only after to enslave us.

We are already living in slavery. It's called capitalism.

The thing is that if you want to create a fascist state you must always have a war, or some enemy. Everything not likened by the state will be attributed to the enemy - may it be a country or a terrorist organization. Even Hitler knew that a global Third Reich would never work - there must always be war.

A good example of total enslavement of the human race can be found in the book 1984 by George Orwell.

But then again, if a world government conspiracy was true there are some problems. Why the technological development? Hell - why the collapse of the Soviet Union? Or the development of capitalism in China? The situation in these countries may not be good or ideal for the people there - but they are certainly not as controlled as they were during the Cold War - hell, the US lost a reason to condemn and imprison "communists" and creating "traitors" out of those who did not agree with the government.

Then there are also thousands of good enslavement methods for such a conspiracy. (This will sound controversial, but hell...) For example: If I were The Evil Man in search for control over the world, I would abruptly cancel the US "War on Drugs". That war fights the use of cocain and heroin - two very addictive drugs. Why? Because people will not care about politics if they are all out chasing their favourite drug. And they're not just chasing abusers, dealers and growers in the US, but in Colombia as well. Hell, I would pay them to create more fields of the stuff, create secret labs where the substance becomes even more addictive.

But this is what I would do if I were a capitalist in search of power and money, control and all that. Even so, I would have to be extremely intelligent and intellectual, because I need people on my side, people who share the belief of totalitarianism - because I can't create labs and drugs, or control all the countries by myself, can I? I also need a very fortunate business to generate billions of dollars every month in order to keep my plan going. Hell, I would have to be completely crazy evil down to every cell in my body to even begin.

Then, when my plan finally succeeds, I would probably be so old that it wouldn't be worth the effort. Remember, the scale of this conspiracy is huge, I can't just consolidate power within one day. So - I leave it to my son? And he, in turn, leaves it to his sons or daughters? Maybe so. But he could still turn my evil machine around and create a good world - maybe a world federation? How will I know that he will go down the same evil path I did? (Hell, why would I even care?)

Which is why grand old conspiracies can not work. There is no single idea or organisation that can guarantee that my children, or new reqruits to the group will not deviate from my plan. The people working for me, how will my group ensure they will keep quiet about their work? It is inevitable that the rumour will spread, that papers and documents will be smuggled out of my labs and organizations.

The global conspiracy is so huge that no group could ever control it. There is simply no point in even trying - I would rather spend my billions of dollars on new cars, houses or invest them in research for medicine for deceases I will get when I'm older, or technology that can replace broken limbs, or, biotech to clone eyes and ears in case of accidents.

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