John Prescott - Capitalist Fat-Cat or just a Champagne Socia

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I know that, largely, you will all say that John Prescott is indeed a capitalist "New" Labour fat-cat, and you are probably right on the whole.

But I love watching this guy in the Commons and his latest publicised act, the V-sign to the press, has icnreased my liking of the guy.

The famous brawl during the campaign was a awesome. Who cam blame the guy for reacting when an egg gets chucked at him?

We've all heard the stories of "Two Jags" and his love of flash motors, but Prescott is one of the old school Labour guys. Not OLD old school of course, he's no Tony Benn. But he clearly doesn't fully approve of New Labour. Of course, he called all of the PR men and spin doctors who help New Labour, "gnats on an elephant's backside". This is why I like to call the Deputy PM a "champagne socialist". The name which many used to associate with that Labour nut who supported Saddam.

I'm sure we also remember in the early days of the New Labour era when he called the New Labour folk "teenyboppers" who he thought were driving him, and those on the left of the party, out.

And his public criticism of Peter Mandelson was genius.

His blunt style brings that edge of REAL Britishness to the Commons with his Geordie accent in amongst all the Yuppies.

Capitalist Fat-Cat? Maybe. But you gotta like the guy, right?

[mentalbunny]

Yeah, he's ok, not perfect thogh, not by a long stretch. What about Gordon Brown? You know once he was a proper lefty, published this book on socialism and stuff. his dad was Old Labour, and so was he, but now, well who knows. I know some people support him but I'm a bit wary of Tony's mate, I mean look at Tony!

[Kez]

bunny is right
although i have heard he is apparently sneakily trying to return labour to social democrat reformist party, good for reforms anyway

we shall see, that picture of the "V" sign was pure genius tho, shows there are still some real ppl in the commons and not a bunch of fuckers i wanna punch like Blair

[El Che]

I heard about that but what did he mean by it? Victory? Over what?

[mentalbunny]

El Che, it was more like "fuck the press".

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Yeh. It wasn't a Winston Churchill "V" sign. Other way around

[Invader Zim]

The guy is a fat prick whome I will be pleased to see ousted from cabenit when Blair reshuffels his cabenit for more pro-euro members. The guy has done nothing but be a fat twat and hit idiots who throw eggs. The guy should have pressed assult charges.

[kylie]

bunny is right
although i have heard he is apparently sneakily trying to return labour to social democrat reformist party, good for reforms anyway

Is this the same John Prescott who has been fighting the firefighters attempts to get a raise, and trying to force them back to work, reducing their power to strike? This doesnt seem very left wing to me, seeing as how the strike is a key feature of worker activism.

An article on John Prescott can be found here:
http://www.marxist.com/Europe/britain_john...n_prescott.html (http://www.marxist.com/Europe/britain_john_prescott.html)

(Edited by feoric at 3:27 pm on June 9, 2003)

[Anonymous]

John Prescott is a funny guy.

He was old Labour and has sold out to some extent but i dont hate him because he has no power. Hes a poor foolish guy who unlike most politicians acts from the heart and i respect him for that.
The punch up was great as are the numerous mistakes he makes when speaking to the press, anyone see HIGNFY?


i think its hard to call Gordon Brown Tony's mate! Did you see Clair Short's article explaining that Tony was relying on cabient more to combat the growing threat from Brown? Doesnt suggest all is safe and happy in camp Blair

[Cassius Clay]

Bah the only good Labour MP was Tony Benn he allways and still does stick to what he beleifs in and watching him on TV a couple of years back did awaken me to what a bad society and sham of a democracy we actually have. To quote the man 'when 500 Billionaires have more wealth concentrated in their hands than everybody else put together something is wrong'. And unlike many others Benn actually gave up a life in the establishment (well the House of Lords anyway) when he got rid of his peirage and later on got chucked out of the cabinet.

He's a Capitalist but a nice one at that. As for Prescott he's a a opportunist bastard, guess what he said back in the late 70's during the Winter of Discontent? That's right the fire-fighters were a exception, now he's busy making sure that while they risk there lifes they barely have enough to feed their families.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I don't think anyone was claiming that he is a hardcore Communist. But he does represent, to a certain extent, the left of New Labour.

feroic....what a good article to recommend to us. The Marxist.org view of John Prescott. Reliability at it's peak.

Like Funny Monk reiterated, the point was that Prescott speaks what he thinks despite fierce opposition from within the party and, probably, the leader itself.

AK47....If someone threw an egg at you, you would not fight back? Prescott's actions showed he was a politician was was actually a human being, not a yuppy like the rest of them. You would rather he not acted when the egg was thrown? Your onslaught of personal abuse proves your view does not count for anything. Maybe because you don't know anything, but I'm not going to speculate.

[kylie]

I don't think anyone was claiming that he is a hardcore Communist. But he does represent, to a certain extent, the left of New Labour.
I don't think that taking away the rights of workers is very left wing. And i was responding to yours, mentalbunnys and tavereeshkamos posts which seemed to be saying he is somehow an ok person.

feroic....what a good article to recommend to us. The Marxist.org view of John Prescott. Reliability at it's peak.
You have misread the link, its marxist.com.

[Invader Zim]

If you are a politician thats the sort of stuff that you should expect, it goes with the job. His lack of self control, is amuzing, it is not however acceptable among those who rule the nation.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

So you would want a bunch of yuppies running the country then? Not REAL people?

Real, normal people, however intelligent they are, will react to an egg being thrown at them from point blank range in the same way...fighting back.

feroic...i am sorry for you that the hole you need to pick in my statement is such an irrelevant one. You knew what I meant and clearly cannot respond to the real point of what I said.

[Anonymous]

Personally i would rather be governed by a human than a machine

[Invader Zim]

For god sake man... I dont like the bastard stop making me justify my disike of him... dammit man.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Well if you can't justify it, then it's an invalid opinion.

So you shouldn't have bothered entering the debate.

[kylie]

feroic...i am sorry for you that the hole you need to pick in my statement is such an irrelevant one. You knew what I meant and clearly cannot respond to the real point of what I said.
I assume by this you mean your criticism was aimed at marxist.com and not marxist.org. In which case, in what way is it biased. There is nothing to respond to apart from your claim which you fail to back up at all. As such, theres not much for me to say.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

You're trying to say Marxist.Com is a reliable, balanced source?

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Socialsmo o Muerte on 12:53 am on June 11, 2003
Well if you can't justify it, then it's an invalid opinion.

So you shouldn't have bothered entering the debate.


You cant have an invalid opinion, any way I said dont make me justify it I never said I cant. I just dont want to bother justifying it to you.

[mentalbunny]

I think John Prescott is ok for a politician, I mean you can't expect much from them, can you? I think he's kind of funny to watch and I haven't noticed him doing anything un-left-wing, at least not particularly. But I don't really pay much attention to our politicians, they're pretty crap.

[Kez]

Quote: from Socialsmo o Muerte on 8:51 pm on June 11, 2003
You're trying to say Marxist.Com is a reliable, balanced source?


it doesnt matter, its correct, its putting forward the marxist argument and just because it isnt liberal bullshit like the guardian doesnt mean its not correct. They are are against the system, and they ARE reliable 100%, they dont make bullshit up do they???

as for my previous post i meant brown was "ok" not prescott, prescott is the biggest prick, lackey of blair and backstabbing the unions trying to sever the links with the unions which neither he nor any other prick ***** can do

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

But it's not balanced. Which was my point.

[Eastside Revolt]

You guys should just be happy your country still has a left.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

We don't have a left which can achieve anything.

[Eastside Revolt]

at least people accept it as a political power. Canada's left was destroyed the second that we signed NAFTA.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I'm not sure about that. Even leftists know our left win parties are laughable.

[kylie]

as for my previous post i meant brown was "ok" not prescott
Sorry, i thought you meant Prescott.

You're trying to say Marxist.Com is a reliable, balanced source?

It offers a Marxist opinion and various issues. So no it isnt balanced, but this is different from your previous claim that the site is not reliable.