Since I Am Ignorant To Compassion.... [Archive]

ebeneezer

26th July 2006, 14:00

Yu guys are so into compassion. But what does it get u? Capitalism is the ideology of the individual. Compassion is necessary for the survival or a tribe, but not the survival of the individual. Is it therefore wrong to say it is obsolete and should be consigned to oblivion?

Personally, I find it easy to have compassion face to face if some beggar starts to lay down the crocodile tears. Once at a train station in early morning, some teenage heroin addict or something started begging me like crazy for cash and burst into tears when I didn't stop to listen to his sorry tail and breezed right past him. To my shame, I felt compassion - but capitalism makes me hard, for which I am thankful.

I mean what is one to do when they start laying down their crocodile tears? Am I mentally ill to feel bad? What good does it do me to be compassionate? No good at all I tell you. Compassion is what stops us getting rich by any means necessary. Compassion is what stops us from doing what needs to be done to win the war on terror. Tell me please what good it does.

Si Pinto

26th July 2006, 15:06

You are one seriously sick cappie bastard.

I can only hope that one day those words come back to haunt you.

Not only do you not have consideration for anyone but yourself (which is your right) but your trying to 'have a laugh' and 'poke fun' at the expense of those who do.

There are thousands of people out there who do huge amounts around the world for the poorest people, and they are not communist, probably not even leftist, so when you insult us you insult them even more.

You disgust me, you're vermin, in fact your worse than vermin.

Don't ever cross my path.

Now fuck off before I get myself banned.

Karl Marx's Camel

26th July 2006, 16:05

I want to spend some time thanking ebeneezer for telling the story straight; how rightwingers really feel. At least you have the guts to tell the truth.

Thanks, ebeneezer. If there were only more rightwingers like you, who don't hide behind fansy words and cliches, and truly show you're true nature.

I don't understand why so many are mad at him, or suprised, for that matter. Is this not how most rightwingers think? What did you expect? That they support capitalists and don't give a crap about the third world because they simply are "mistaken"? Did you expect something "better" or "nicer" from rightwingers?

Keyser

26th July 2006, 16:11

ebeneezer, you are a fucking little piece of shit, using others misery to make you feel good about yourself and waxing your pathetic ego. Is your life that shit that you can only feel good about yourself when you see others suffer, get a fucking life you son of a *****.

To be honest, I hope you get mugged, you fucking deserve it you bigot.

Now fuck off and die!

BurnTheOliveTree

26th July 2006, 16:33

I suspect you're just trying to provoke. You know compassion isn't a mental illness. Come on.

-Alex

Keyser

26th July 2006, 16:36

I suspect you're just trying to provoke. You know compassion isn't a mental illness. Come on.

-Alex

Which would make him a troll.

A banning may be in order here.

rioters bloc

26th July 2006, 16:40

ye lol. don't be so quick to take the bait, peoples ;)

Sadena Meti

26th July 2006, 16:47

Compassion can be the result of pure logic.

- I am a human.
- That person is a human.
- When I am in distress, I feel bad about my situation.
- That person is in distress.
- That person is a human, as am I, so that person's distress is equal to mine.
- Therefor I feel bad about their situation, because the fact that that person is suffering is the same as if I were suffering, as both are human and both experience suffering in the same way.

Or to put it way that greater minds have:

"An injury to one is an injury to all."

Pure logic.

Someone else said something along the lines of "love your neighbor as yourself", but I can't remember who...

The Sloth

26th July 2006, 18:02

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 11:01 AM
Yu guys are so into compassion. But what does it get u? Capitalism is the ideology of the individual. Compassion is necessary for the survival or a tribe, but not the survival of the individual. Is it therefore wrong to say it is obsolete and should be consigned to oblivion?

Personally, I find it easy to have compassion face to face if some beggar starts to lay down the crocodile tears. Once at a train station in early morning, some teenage heroin addict or something started begging me like crazy for cash and burst into tears when I didn't stop to listen to his sorry tail and breezed right past him. To my shame, I felt compassion - but capitalism makes me hard, for which I am thankful.

I mean what is one to do when they start laying down their crocodile tears? Am I mentally ill to feel bad? What good does it do me to be compassionate? No good at all I tell you. Compassion is what stops us getting rich by any means necessary. Compassion is what stops us from doing what needs to be done to win the war on terror. Tell me please what good it does.
schopenhauer,

i suggest you lay off the prepubescent 'philosophy' books.. and by that i mean the 50 cent message boards. i think, in many ways, he's the classic capitalist.. this, however, doesn't excuse your admiration. no, not at all.

1) mental illness: every kind of psychosis -- whether it's getting your dick hard at the sight of a beautiful girl, or preferring pizza over gyros, or enjoying the company of the topaganga beanie baby -- is a 'mental illness,' considering that, ultimately, we all have our quirks and eccentricities, our psychological attachments to things and ideas and people, and so on. they are all unique, and the particulars belong to the individual, and finally adapt to circumstances. you're just as 'sick' as i am and, whether you like it or not, you share the same mental structure as a communist. the fact is, these things are not for you to decide.

anyway.

2) the individual: how nice, a definition of 'the individual' that just happens to apply to your psychosis, but not to mine. i know i say this a lot, but please, don't assume we all share your particular mental handicap. you may dislike compassion, you may dislike feeling sensitivity towards others, and there's really no logical argument i can make for or against 'morality.' ethics are, of course, quite beyond logical analysis.. they are quite circumstantial, arbitrary, and very metaphysical.

so, i can't say you're "wrong" for being a dim-witted, uninteresting prick.. i can only say that you are, in fact, a dim-witted, uninteresting prick, and leave it at that. whether this bothers you or not is irrelevant.. the fact is, it's simply all that is the case. facticity, through and through.

moving on.

3) there is no such thing as the war on terror. some of america's biggest allies in iraq right now are the local and international fundamentalist clerics.. i'm sure some politicians do believe there is a 'war on terror,' and might even support it theoretically, might want to, indeed, kill the terrorists, but, again, the silly quirks of some politicians have no bearing on america's war machine which is, after all, quite outside that little minority of 'compassionate' folks.

and if there is a war on terror, prove it. go ahead. let's see an analysis of all of america's recent actions, all of its recently developed alliances, and really check where all of this is heading. maybe you don't want to look that far, or that deeply. i understand, as it would make your entire paradigm crumble.

well, i guess i'm finished.

Free Left

26th July 2006, 19:29

Well, Capitalism works for the individual wheras Communism works the people as a whole so it is only natural for a capitalist not to feel compassion for their fellow man.

Zero

26th July 2006, 21:15

I cant believe outmoded thinking like yours exists ebeneezer. You are truely a pathetic individual.

It is selfish thinking like yours that will one day be either the end of us, or the begining.

With that said, I hope you find someone to love, and realise just how horrificly wrong you are. Or loose your wealth and see how it feels to beg.

EDIT: My guess is that the remaining cappies on here will distance themselves from this joker. Besides of course General Patton. :rolleyes:

Ol' Dirty

26th July 2006, 21:17

Ebeneezer, I hope the ghosts of past, present and future shove their feet up your ass so hard that their boots touch a nerve that will, hopefully, make you realize that you are an ass, and that you need to stop. Seriously, you sound just like Ebeneezer fucking Scrooge. You need to chill or something, because you are one of the most insensetive people I have ever met. :angry:

Albeit your insensitivity, I will answer your moronic, ignorance ridden, fool-hardy question, because I feel like revealing how little you know. :rolleyes:

Human society rose from the concept of the tribe, a group of people that work together to help themselves survive. From this altruism arose. We began to feel compassion (a thing you most obviously lack), and used it well. We helped each other grow, in hopes that we would be helped in return. This concept of compassion stuck with us to the present day.

compassion is a tool that can be described as more of an asset than a liabilty. A mental illness, most definately not.

red team

26th July 2006, 22:19

It's the logical conclusion of Capitalism (or any other price system) for psychopathic individuals to rise to the top of the food chain. What is important in this system is trade for the greatest value of debt that people can owe you or in other words money. Money is promisary notes. That is they are a form of debt. The people with greatest power in this debt system are those who can accumulate the most promisary notes so that people will exchange goods and services for "promises to pay" in the form of money. It's all so predictable.

LuÃs Henrique

26th July 2006, 22:36

Yu guys are so into compassion.

You who?

Not me.

Compassion is necessary for the survival or a tribe, but not the survival of the individual.

Well, if "the tribe" dies out, so do the individuals in it.

To my shame, I felt compassion - but capitalism makes me hard, for which I am thankful.

Private charity is important to the survival of capitalism. It helps avoid people from coming to the conclusion that the system is unbearable.

You have fostered revolution through you miser-y.

Compassion is what stops us getting rich by any means necessary.

Capitalism does not need that you get rich. Much less "by any means necessary". There are rules, even in a capitalist society, and they do define which means are acceptable, and which are not. If you really try to get rich by any means necessary (which you won't have the guts to do, wannabe Raskolnikov), you will end in jail.

Tell me please what good it does.

It prevents me from calling you names, for instance.

Luís Henrique

Free Left

27th July 2006, 00:20

Tell me please what good it does.

What good it does? If the human race had no compassion we would be extinct by now.

YSR

27th July 2006, 00:29

I keep telling you guys: he's just kidding! No one could actually believe these kind of things. It's just too absurd for real life.

Si Pinto

27th July 2006, 00:33

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 26 2006, 09:21 PM

Tell me please what good it does.

What good it does? If the human race had no compassion we would be extinct by now.
Friend I wouldn't even bother trying to find sense in this filth.

He is not here for a reasoned discussion, anyone who can create a thread like this is way beyond mere 'reason'.

He is a sick troll or he's just sick.

The point is that no-one is compassionate for any other reason then it is the natural thing to do, thankfully there are a few still around, not enough, but still a few.

I'm a communist because I'm compassionate, compassion = equality.

Scum like this guy don't deserve your efforts comrades.

General Patton

27th July 2006, 04:09

B.E. Jones

27th July 2006, 04:18

Wow,

Just wow.

The story as it relates to the post was acceptible but just to throw in "That's Why I fucked her and left her yuck yuck yuck". That took a bit to far mate. It was unneccisary, had no usefull purpose in your post, and is plain childish.

General Patton

27th July 2006, 04:24

Sure it did. It's a true statement and was entirely relevant to that particular situation. She claimed that I was uncompassionate because I didn't have the time of day for a bum. Then she confessed that she was a communist. Then she let me have sex with her. Then she didn't seem to understand why I never saw her again. I guess I have as much compassion for her as I have for the bum. The only difference is that I took her up on her offer to "f*ck me".

B.E. Jones

27th July 2006, 04:52

Seems it's up to the point of straight hatred of communism now (let us exclude Stalinism because that horse is long since died).

Is it really to far as to say that's true?

P.S.

Not like "I HATE chicken Pot pie" not that hate.

I'm talking "I'm a Nazi in a synagogue" hate

Keyser

27th July 2006, 13:02

Compassion is not a mental illness. However, compassion for bums is. I had a similar dillema when I was walking down a local mall near my place of residence. I was out on a date, and some bum who wasn't even looking at me heard our footsteps pass. Without even acknowledging us in the normal bum manner, because he was down on the ground, most likely puking. He yelled to us, "hey!" I kept moving and promptly stated, "no thanks." But the guy got offended because I didn't want to waste my time listening to him beg for my pocket change or a cigarrete. He continued to disturb me, saying I was being rude, because I didn't even know what he was going to ask. I told him that I most certainly did and that I refuse to enable bums on the street. Then I told him to get a job. He yelled, "f*ck you!", to me. I asserted that would be gross, because he smells like Oscar the Grouch, who lives in a garbage can. The rest of the night I proceeded to argue with my date about who was at fault in that situation. I later learned that she was a communist, and that's why I f*cked her and then left her.

Wow, yet another dickshit.

I could make the point about how stupid and illogical your dumb "jet a job" rant was to that tramp, like don't you know that you have to have a permanent place of address and everything like that to get a job you worthless piece of shit.? But it could well be you don't even have a job, like most spoilt and kept children of the middle classes, you just suck daddies cock everytime you need some more cash or a degree or anything else you want.

I really find it hard to believe about your crap story about you getting to fuck the communist girl, if she was really a communist, she would have dumped your sad little ass there and then, I mean who would want to fuck a retard like you???

Like with ebeneezer, I have no sympathy for people like you if you get mugged, as it would be your own fault and no one else's.

Si Pinto

27th July 2006, 20:04

Originally posted by General [email protected] 27 2006, 01:10 AM
Compassion is not a mental illness. However, compassion for bums is. I had a similar dillema when I was walking down a local mall near my place of residence. I was out on a date, and some bum who wasn't even looking at me heard our footsteps pass. Without even acknowledging us in the normal bum manner, because he was down on the ground, most likely puking. He yelled to us, "hey!" I kept moving and promptly stated, "no thanks." But the guy got offended because I didn't want to waste my time listening to him beg for my pocket change or a cigarrete. He continued to disturb me, saying I was being rude, because I didn't even know what he was going to ask. I told him that I most certainly did and that I refuse to enable bums on the street. Then I told him to get a job. He yelled, "f*ck you!", to me. I asserted that would be gross, because he smells like Oscar the Grouch, who lives in a garbage can. The rest of the night I proceeded to argue with my date about who was at fault in that situation. I later learned that she was a communist, and that's why I f*cked her and then left her.
I think we know which one was the real bum in this sorry tale, but that's not really surprising.

So we have another demented cappie trying to proove his sexual prowess on a political forum.

Probably read it in a lads mag or something.

hoopla

27th July 2006, 20:56

I think, that every "capitalist" who posts here, should be made to tell us their income.

Ebeneezer, how much do you earn?

:huh:

Matty_UK

27th July 2006, 23:43

Originally posted by General [email protected] 27 2006, 01:25 AM
Sure it did. It's a true statement and was entirely relevant to that particular situation. She claimed that I was uncompassionate because I didn't have the time of day for a bum. Then she confessed that she was a communist. Then she let me have sex with her. Then she didn't seem to understand why I never saw her again. I guess I have as much compassion for her as I have for the bum. The only difference is that I took her up on her offer to "f*ck me".
Whenever someone on the internet goes out their way to tell a story about their sex life, they are invariably virgins.

And even if that story is true (highly unlikely) I hope she finds you and kicks your ass for being a dick.

hoopla

27th July 2006, 23:50

I later learned that she was a communist, and that's why I f*cked her and then left her. Do you beleive everything your girlfriends tell you :rolleyes:

hoopla

27th July 2006, 23:54

Besides which, how much do you earn?

:lol:

General Patton

28th July 2006, 04:22

you just suck daddies cock everytime you need some more cash or a degree or anything else you want.

I wouldn’t expect you to understand this, but college degrees are earned. You can’t suck cock to get one, hence the reason there are so many communists on this sight without degrees. Of course, you might be able to coast your way through a liberal arts college in that manner, but you are definitely not going to find gainful employment. In fact, the girl that I was on the date with went through some pathetic liberal arts school. All her stories about college were of orgies and taking drugs. Now she works as a receptionist and hardly has what it takes to think critically. To be sure, I think I may have sunk to a new level when I proceeded to have sex with her, despite the fact that she was obviously a degenerate. I figured what the hell, and made sure to use adequate protection. She was all talk. Probably the lamest fuck ever. I expected too much from a communist degenerate. I guess there isn’t a damn thing that communists can do right, hence the reason they are so inept.

Like with ebeneezer, I have no sympathy for people like you if you get mugged, as it would be your own fault and no one else's.

So, I deserve to get mugged for not giving somebody what is rightfully mine. Because he asked, not so nicely I already mentioned, and I refused to give him what he was asking for, you state that he has a right to take it. This is typical communist thinking, and exists as one of the main reasons I hate communists. For your information, I think that guy probably would have tried, if he didn’t know that I would have caved his skull in, right on the sidewalk, if he had proceeded to try. I guess he was a tad bit smarter than he looked.

I think we know which one was the real bum in this sorry tale, but that's not really surprising.

Sorry, but I have a career, a bank account, a place of residence, and sufficient enough pride not to sit on the street throwing up on myself and begging like a worm. Once again, we get to the heart of the communist ‘philosophy’, a drugged out junkie on the street means more to them than productive members of society that create the technology that they fail to comprehend and take for grant it everyday. Sorry, I am above begging for change, and I expect my fellow man to be as well. When people don’t live up to the standards that I hold myself to, then I treat them with derision, and assume that they have acquired a subhuman status.

So we have another demented cappie trying to proove his sexual prowess on a political forum.

I don’t need to prove anything. Any girl that has ever f*cked me can attest to my skills. I get enough satisfaction when they repeatedly come back for more. I don’t need lame-brained, pot-smoking, losers who cry about being failures in life to stroke my ego. It gets stroked enough by the women that I see.

Probably read it in a lads mag or something.

I don’t read pornographic magazines. I have enough sordid tales of my own without having to delve into the over active imagination of Penthouse Forum writers. Who has time for that?

Whenever someone on the internet goes out their way to tell a story about their sex life, they are invariably virgins.

You just wish that others shared your own pathetic failings in life. Buck up kiddo. One day it will happen for you, and if it doesn’t, then I highly suggest that you go to a hooker before you reach the age of 25. Luckily, I was fortunate, although it could be argued that my first love was kind of a whore, more like a slut really. But who really cares? I see very little difference.

And even if that story is true (highly unlikely) I hope she finds you and kicks your ass for being a dick.

Nope, it was a true story. Even though she was terrible in bed, relatively speaking, she did give excellent head. However, I am a little disturbed and worried about the level of practice she must have in that regard. It gives me the heeby jeebies.

Do you beleive everything your girlfriends tell you

Quite the contrary. However, I believe she thinks herself a communist. She was lame enough, in general, to fit the part.

Besides which, how much do you earn?

More than you, no doubt.

B.E. Jones

28th July 2006, 04:30

http://redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?su...rt_from=&ucat=& (http://redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1148226324&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)
^ I found this to relate highly to the subject at hand

By the term "sucking cock" I'm sure what was meant was Daddy donated a building, daddy is friends with the dean, daddy went there himself, and daddy just has a shit ton of money.

Though this might not be the case for yourself because the capitalist system does allow a few to actually gain the finances through work to join the ranks of the bourgeoisie. It's just becoming harder as money becomes more dense within a minority of the population.

I don't know your story, so I won't make assumptions but if you actually earned this keep you claim to then congrats, if you didn'r bleh to you sir.

General Patton

28th July 2006, 04:40

By the term "sucking cock" I'm sure what was meant was Daddy donated a building, daddy is friends with the dean, daddy went there himself, and daddy just has a shit ton of money.

Actually, most students don't have parents that donate buildings. Apparently, you have never been to college, or even been on a college campus. If you did then your outlook on the whole experience might be different. It's true that some people have parents that are fortunate enough to give large donations to academic institutions. If that's the case they should get a break on their college tuition. However, I highly doubt a tenured professor is going to give a shit about the politics of that particular situation and let them pass their class without effort. Even the rich must earn their degrees.

What's wrong with donating money to education? It's the only type of charitable giving that I would even begin to consider.

B.E. Jones

28th July 2006, 04:47

There were more reasons relating to money then "donating a building"

Oh well thank you for your time and selective reading

Nor can everyone afford college.

General Patton

28th July 2006, 04:54

There were more reasons relating to money then "donating a building"

I talked about charitable giving to academic institutions, in general. I even asked you a question, which you ignored. What's wrong with giving donations to academia?

Nor can everyone afford college.

That's a flimsy excuse considering the amount of financial aid that is available for students. Getting the money is the easy part. Sticking with it and having enough perseverance to complete your degree program is the hard part, and is the biggest reason why people fail to get a degree. Some people just don't enjoy hard work, no matter how rewarding the results. Are lazy people entitled to what's mine, just because I have worked hard to succeed and they haven't?

The Sloth

28th July 2006, 05:26

Originally posted by General [email protected] 27 2006, 01:25 AM
The only difference is that I took her up on her offer to "f*ck me".
ladies and gentlemen,

it looks as if our very own patton, after evolving from local cretin to failed intellectual, has decided to try his at being a bad-ass instead. that's okay, because whatever he lacks in brains, he very obviously makes up with dick.

and so, the american dream lives on.

*snicker*

B.E. Jones

28th July 2006, 07:51

We don't defend lazy people we just defend people who generally never had or will have a chance.

Donating the academic institutions is fine, but it is not in the cases in which it can be used as leverage for a entire family's next few generation will be a guaranteed a scholarship

General Patton

28th July 2006, 08:37

We don't defend lazy people we just defend people who generally never had or will have a chance.

I would love it if you would explain who it is that doesn't have a chance and why this is the case.

B.E. Jones

28th July 2006, 09:56

Capitalist system in order to function properly, is a system that REQUIRES exploitation of a particular group. This group being Wage laborers. Since these wage laborers do not own the means of production they must become "employees" of the minority who do own the means of production, in order to put food on the table and pay taxes and etc.

No matter how many proletariat may seize the random circumstances ( which are not always present or availible to the proles due to low finnances into their entreupeunership) around them in order to own their own means of production ( and thus become bourgeoisie) they ( in order to gain profit from the means of production) must hire NEW wag laborers and thus the cycle begins anew. And knowing that it is a common motif in capitalism that the majority are wage laborers this means that the ammount of wealth spread across a entire population is unbalanced between the two classes. Capitalism survives off the Exploiter and Exploited, Have's and Have-Not's, ETC.

My apologies for the scatter-brained post, I just got back from doing a shift at work that wasnt even mine cause some asshole got himself sick :wacko:

General Patton

28th July 2006, 09:59

I suggest you look up an economic principle known as mutual benefit for mutual exchange before you going around screaming exploitation like a ninnie. Come on. I thought you might be capable of something other the parroting the communist clap trap that they teach in high school these days. Put some thought into it. Jeez!

I have worked as a wage earner. You know what? It put me through college and allowed me to get ahead in life. I have personally thanked each and every employer that I have had. At least those who provided jobs that weren't deplorable enough to quit.

I suggest that you go and read a recent thread that I started entitled "Do People Choose To Be Miserable Wretches...Or Does Society Make Them That Way." It was this very conversation with you that prompted me to post it. It's far better reading than Karl Marx, I tell you.

B.E. Jones

28th July 2006, 10:36

Not everyone ascends the working class into the bourgeosie.

It's all a matter of specific circumstances.
In all countries the working class out numbers the bourgeoisie.

Why is this?

Would Capitalism Succeed with a Majority bourgeosie?

Does someone always have to lose in Capitalism?

ebeneezer

28th July 2006, 10:48

hmmmmm, looks like you guys hate me. I turn my back for 48 hours and you just can't help putting the knife in. :( I mean what kind of sick statment is it to hope I get mugged? And I wished you all the best of success. That'll teach me to be nice....

And secondly, why are you guys so precious if Gereral Patton has sex with a communist? At least he used protection. I mean you want to protect the sacred DNA right? Anyway, he dumped her, not married or other sacrilege. so who cares if he doesn't talk to her no more? You really care don't you? I really don't.

And General Patton, you have my sympathies friend. I too dislike the miserable scurge of our streets and would like it to end with the re-introduciton of the workhouse for mentally ill vagrants, (hence my avatar).

Ok I'll reply to some of this:

Is your life that shit that you can only feel good about yourself when you see others suffer
I don't like suffering, but I have a fascination with it in some people that I find tantalising and exciting if you get my defintion. Capitalism of course minimises suffering by maximising the rewards for productive work, taking away suffering, hence no need for compassion.

Compassion can be the result of pure logic.

- I am a human.
- That person is a human.
- When I am in distress, I feel bad about my situation.
- That person is in distress.
- That person is a human, as am I, so that person's distress is equal to mine.
- Therefor I feel bad about their situation, because the fact that that person is suffering is the same as if I were suffering, as both are human and both experience suffering in the same way.
I have trouble feeling compassion for anyone really, despite whether they're humans or not. Suffering does nothing for me but excite me a little, unless they get too close... But I know I have some compassion - to my misfortune.

Before anyone accuses me of being self-centred or anything, I have compassionate DNA. One of my mad aristocratic ancestors splurged his whole fortune building cathedrals in central Europe. There you go. He paid the price.

And thank you Brooklyn Mecca, I didn't know my philosophy was part schopenhauer. I will look it up. I thought more a certain French philosopher who was imprisoned in the Bastille.

With that said, I hope you find someone to love, and realise just how horrificly wrong you are. Or loose your wealth and see how it feels to beg.

And why shouldn't I find someone to love? I must admit I find it hard falling in love, but it has happened once, and half happened four or five times. Anyone else had that bizarre feeling of half falling in love? :wub: And the girl I first fell in love with I couldn't stand after a year. And I couldn't stand her before I fell in love with her either.. Anyone else have this experience? Wierd huh? But anyway, what's it got to do with wealth? OK I admit, I have lotsa cash, but what's that got to do with anything? Being poor doesn't make you compassionate! You have it or you don't! Its got nothing to do with love or money people!

ebeneezer

28th July 2006, 11:30

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 01:06 PM
I want to spend some time thanking ebeneezer for telling the story straight; how rightwingers really feel. At least you have the guts to tell the truth.

Thanks, ebeneezer. If there were only more rightwingers like you, who don't hide behind fansy words and cliches, and truly show you're true nature.

I don't understand why so many are mad at him, or suprised, for that matter. Is this not how most rightwingers think? What did you expect? That they support capitalists and don't give a crap about the third world because they simply are "mistaken"? Did you expect something "better" or "nicer" from rightwingers?
Why thank you NWOG. I appreciate it.

Red Team:

It's the logical conclusion of Capitalism (or any other price system) for psychopathic individuals to rise to the top of the food chain.
I hope you're not calling me a phsycophath. I have compassion. Some people don't - to their advantage, but I am just as human as you all are. Accept me for who I am.

Comrade-Z

28th July 2006, 12:05

Yu guys are so into compassion.

Wrong. Not me.

But what does it get u?

If you are referring to cooperation or mutual aid, those things enhance the well-being of both members involved, under the right circumstances, when there is a natural congruence of interests.

Capitalism is the ideology of the individual.

Throughout my whole life, capitalism has continually encroached on my individual freedom.

Matty_UK

28th July 2006, 12:12

Originally posted by General [email protected] 28 2006, 01:23 AM
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Whenever someone on the internet goes out their way to tell a story about their sex life, they are invariably virgins.

You just wish that others shared your own pathetic failings in life. Buck up kiddo. One day it will happen for you, and if it doesn’t, then I highly suggest that you go to a hooker before you reach the age of 25. Luckily, I was fortunate, although it could be argued that my first love was kind of a whore, more like a slut really. But who really cares? I see very little difference.

And even if that story is true (highly unlikely) I hope she finds you and kicks your ass for being a dick.

Nope, it was a true story. Even though she was terrible in bed, relatively speaking, she did give excellent head. However, I am a little disturbed and worried about the level of practice she must have in that regard. It gives me the heeby jeebies.
For that first bit, just fuck off. I'm not gonna sink to telling you about my sexual experiences and what age I had my first girlfriend and lost my virginity, so just stop being a ass.

And secondly, why the fuck do you want to tell us all the details? Do you see anybody else on this board bringing up their sex lives for no good reason? And what's wrong with females being sexually active? <_<

And more importantly, do you really think you're fooling anyone?

ebeneezer

28th July 2006, 13:10

... What exactly happens to me on judgement day?

Frankly, I have seen some real hatred on this website directed towards the views I espouse, if not to my direct person. I beleive this is because I have demonstrated a total lack of concern for the poor on the street, a total lack of concern for the poor in general and a total lack of concern for anybody irrelevant to my daily existence.

I am also aware that many of you do not share my views and they may be seen to be incompatible with those required to ensure the success of the communist system.

I do not shy away from these views, rather, I take pride in them as a shining light of capitlaist individuality and example to others. In fact, I may be the very opposite of what you all venerate, for I beleive sometimes I may, strictly for arguments' sake take pleasure in anguish, as an inate realisation and recapitulation of the manifestation of the 'hard life' one experiences under capitalism. Back in school I recall there was a real hot girl in year 12 who just found she couldn't get into medicine or whatever when we got our half-year results and her tears really turned me on for some reason. Of course, we all tried to comfort her, (there's my compassion out of the way), and one crazy guy, (not me), had a real laugh about it and made a real huge joke, (which I found funny), But I just couldn't stop looking at her anguish. There, I've said it. And you must think I'm sick.

Taking this as the God's honest truth, I would be curious to know what you COMPASSIONATE people will do to a person like me once ABSOLUTE power falls into your hands during a revolutionary situation for arguments sake.

Si Pinto

28th July 2006, 14:00

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 10:11 AM
... What exactly happens to me on judgement day?

Well seeing as god doesn't exist I can only assume your referring to the day when communism triumphs.

In which case I'd start repenting now if I was you.

That should take up some time I guess.

What do you want us to say? That you'll be the first against the wall? That's the response you want isn't it? So you can continue to play the (boohoo you all hate me and want me to suffer) card.

Your not ashamed of yourself so there is no point in looking for forgiveness is there?

In practice, if you actively worked against the communist system, that the rest of humanity had implemented, there would be a penal code to address this, and I think I can speak for the majority here when I say that I wouldn't mind being a screw in your prison.

ebeneezer

28th July 2006, 14:51

Let it be understood that I have NOTHING to be ashamed of. Only things to be PROUD of in everything I have said.

In practice, if you actively worked against the communist system, that the rest of humanity had implemented, there would be a penal code to address this, and I think I can speak for the majority here when I say that I wouldn't mind being a screw in your prison.
Really. That's what I expected. A POLITICAL PRISONER! I should not have put "compassionate" in capital letters or I would have got what you truly think, which I can guess. And why are you not in prison for working against evil capitalism? You wish to destroy it do you not? Perhaps this illustrates why CAPITALISM IS THE TRUE SYSTEM OF COMPASSION.

But really, I am a self confessed sadistic capitalist and proud of it. I invite suffering and misery if it will result in progress ala the industrial revolution. The force is strong in me and I will not stop in my capitalist quest until everything looks like it comes out of a Hogarth engraving or I am infinitely wealthy so I can look down on the commoners from a great height. And you want to put me in jail? Is that the best you can come up with? How come I don't want to put you in jail for being compassionate when it completely conflicts with my system's moral order? Could it be that your order is not really as moral as you might wish? Oh dear!

elmo sez

28th July 2006, 15:11

The vast majority of people are compasonite , you just couldnt put us all in jail . However your system has another type of prison called poverty

Janus

28th July 2006, 18:50

Perhaps this illustrates why CAPITALISM IS THE TRUE SYSTEM OF COMPASSION.
That must be why capitalists care so much about suffering. :rolleyes:

And you want to put me in jail?
There will be no prisons like the ones right now. :o

Could it be that your order is not really as moral as you might wish?
The ruling ideas of an epoch are the ideas of the ruling class. Same goes for morality.

But really, I am a self confessed sadistic capitalist and proud of it. I invite suffering and misery if it will result in progress ala the industrial revolution. The force is strong in me and I will not stop in my capitalist quest until everything looks like it comes out of a Hogarth engraving or I am infinitely wealthy so I can look down on the commoners from a great height.
:lol: I'm sure you'll probably end up a wreck like the guy in your avatar. :lol:

RedAnarchist

28th July 2006, 18:55

This thread makes me think that Ebeneezer is some sort of troll. He sounds like such a big waste of oxygen. Either this guy is a complete and utter moron who cannot comprehend altruism and compassion, or he is a troll.

loveme4whoiam

28th July 2006, 19:08

He's a complete troll. Also, a dick.

Si Pinto

28th July 2006, 20:17

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 04:09 PM
He's a complete troll. Also, a dick.
:lol:

Yeah but humour him guys, he wants compassion after all!

Think of it as your good deed for the day. :D

Sir Aunty Christ

28th July 2006, 20:29

Originally posted by Si Pinto+Jul 28 2006, 06:18 PM--> (Si Pinto @ Jul 28 2006, 06:18 PM)
[email protected] 28 2006, 04:09 PM
He's a complete troll. Also, a dick.
:lol:

Yeah but humour him guys, he wants compassion after all!

Think of it as your good deed for the day. :D [/b]
I was a shite Scout.

Vinny Rafarino

28th July 2006, 21:51

Originally posted by silly capitalist twit
Taking this as the God's honest truth, I would be curious to know what you COMPASSIONATE people will do to a person like me once ABSOLUTE power falls into your hands during a revolutionary situation for arguments sake.

There will always be sewers to cleaned, toilets to scrub, floors to be mopped......

hoopla

28th July 2006, 22:02

Originally posted by General [email protected] 28 2006, 01:23 AM

Do you beleive everything your girlfriends tell you

Quite the contrary. However, I believe she thinks herself a communist. She was lame enough, in general, to fit the part.

Wow, nothing gets past you, mate :rolleyes:

:lol:

Besides which, how much do you earn?

More than you, no doubt.Sore spot?

:lol:

Like I say, how much do you earn? Are you tempted to lie, add on a few ks... don't, your conscience will hear :lol:

hoopla

28th July 2006, 22:04

By the way, this forum is a great idea - where else do you get to pick on people and feel alright about it :lol:

Janus

28th July 2006, 22:05

I hope you're not calling me a phsycophath.
I don't think he's talking about you or else you wouldn't be here in the first place.

I have compassion. Some people don't - to their advantage, but I am just as human as you all are. Accept me for who I am.
Your other thread puts it a little differently.

Zero

28th July 2006, 22:25

Originally posted by "ebeneezer"+--> ("ebeneezer")And why shouldn't I find someone to love?[/b]
To learn empathy, which is a characteristic you are lacking in.

Originally posted by "ebeneezer"+--> ("ebeneezer")I must admit I find it hard falling in love, but it has happened once, and half happened four or five times.[/b]
Then you must realise the importance of empathy. You cannot love someone with only half of your heart. Nor can someone love you with only half of their heart. Without previous knowlege of this fact on both ends you will end up hurting each other.

("ebeneezer")Anyone else had that bizarre feeling of half falling in love?[/b][/quote]
Yes, and it is usually because I feel empathetic twards someone and find myself looking for a reason to be in her life. I suppose I could say that its not my fult, but I have a hard time realising this when I am faced with a break up.

("ebeneezer")And the girl I first fell in love with I couldn't stand after a year. And I couldn't stand her before I fell in love with her either..[/b][/quote]
How do you call this love? If you didn't like her after a year, and you couldn't stand her before you fell "in love" with her, were you only with her for her body? If so, thats a horrible misconstrued vision of love.

("ebeneezer")Anyone else have this experience? Wierd huh?[/b][/quote]
I'd rather not engage in a relationship with someone whom I'm 'iffy' on. No matter how good it can feel, it will crash harder.

"ebeneezer"@
But anyway, what's it got to do with wealth?
I thought it would be pretty obvious. Every single Capitalist I've come in contact with warships the greatest killer the world has ever seen: Capitalism. Some to the extent of killing others because they have infringed on your "rights" to own things. It's only natural that these people consider their money and property above most of the rest of their life (for instance, my former Economics teacher decided to compare the worth of his children to the worth of his car.)

"ebeneezer"
OK I admit, I have lotsa cash, but what's that got to do with anything? Being poor doesn't make you compassionate! You have it or you don't! Its got nothing to do with love or money people!
"Poverty is the schoolmaster of character." ~ Antiphanes
"If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." ~ Charles Darwin
"Empty pockets never held anyone back. Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that." ~ Norman Vincent Peale
"Love and business and family and religion and art and patriotism are nothing but shadows of words when a man's starving." ~ O. Henry
"Oh, the little more, and how much it is! And the little less, and what worlds away." ~ Robert Browning
"The hermit doesn't sleep at night, in love with the blue of the vacant moon. The cool of the breeze that rustles the trees rustles him too." ~ Ching-an

BurnTheOliveTree

28th July 2006, 22:40

I suggest that it is you who has the mental illness, seriously. I'm not joking, or trying to get an insult in. I think you have issues.

-Alex

Zero

28th July 2006, 22:54

Yeah, I'm in agreeance with BurnTheOliveTree. I remember stumbling in on a conversation in a game where someone was saying something along the lines of "You know, I really wouldn't care if everyone in the world just suddenly died."

They have a condition for this, it is called Sociopathy/Psychopathy

Originally posted by "Google define: Psychopath"
Psychopaths are manipulative, charming, glib, deceptive, parasitic, irresponsible, selfish, callous, promiscuous, impulsive, antisocial, and aggressive individuals who have no concern for the welfare of others, experience little remorse or guilt as a result of their injurious and antisocial behavior, do not tolerate delay of gratification, and persevere despite punishment.

Janus

28th July 2006, 23:22

I really don't understand why a separate thread was made.

You cappies are so narcissistical.

Could it be that your order is not really as moral as you might wish?
As long as the capitalist system imposes itself, it will always try to take the moral high ground.

ebeneezer

29th July 2006, 06:19

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 07:41 PM
I suggest that it is you who has the mental illness, seriously. I'm not joking, or trying to get an insult in. I think you have issues.

-Alex
Right, I am NOT a phsycopath. I am good to and have empathy and loyalty towards my friends and family. Psycopaths do not. I once knew a real phsycopath, (my former best friend) in school however, who exhibited zero empathy to his friends and even his family. And he was a relentless capitalist. He is now making pornographic films and doing various under-the-table dodgy stuff. While I thought it was entertaining for a while I came to realise you lie down with dogs, you get up with flees. U hang out with shit you end up in the sewer.

I am fundumentally a good person, albeit slightly sadistic, but who isn't? Don't you guys enjoy seeing a nice weepy woman? Especially when it smears their eye-shadow all over the place. I love that. Anyway, who cares what you think. I am proud of who I am and am proud of the suffering capitaism creates so long as it is accompanied by progress.

The fact remains you communists are some of the most self-centred people on the planet, always going on about your revolution at my university when no-one else cares. You don't care about imposing your beleifs upon others. I have to say I think I have proven you don't really care about maintaining compassion either by the simple test that we capitalists don't lock you up for demonstrating, but if we were activists in your system, we would be killed, wouldn't we? Try and deny it. So which has the real compassion? Capitalism or communism?

hoopla

29th July 2006, 07:44

Hey Ebenza... didn't you know that sadism is a mental disorder - sadist personality disorder. IMHO sadists are worst than sociopaths.

And you didn't tell, how much you earn? IMHO all capitalists should be forced to say what they earn, upon admission, so we can rank them according to worth. This, IMHO, is a good idea.

YSR

29th July 2006, 07:55

Right, I am NOT a phsycopath. I am good to and have empathy and loyalty towards my friends and family. Psycopaths do not.

Mental illness does not neccesarily correspond to psychopathic behaivor. It appears you do not know a great deal about this subject.

You're just a troll, nothing more. I'm glad you're here though. You can waste your time and release your agression here, while our forum members can do the same thing to you (and they're rather funny, actually.)

Janus

29th July 2006, 07:58

I once knew a real phsycopath, (my former best friend) in school however, who exhibited zero empathy to his friends and even his family. And he was a relentless capitalist. He is now making pornographic films and doing various under-the-table dodgy stuff. While I thought it was entertaining for a while I came to realise you lie down with dogs, you get up with flees. U hang out with shit you end up in the sewer.

Your best friend, right... :rolleyes:

Freud says: Ebeneezer is undergoing projection. :lol:

You don't care about imposing your beleifs upon others.
And neither do you.

General Patton

30th July 2006, 21:19

Ebeneezer,

You are not going to believe this one.

Yesterday, I went out to eat in my old college town with my girlfriend, her brother, and my sister. I was already very annoyed by a group of people who had put a table out in front of the restraunt for the purpose of gathering signatures for a domestic partnership initiative that they are trying to get on the ballot in my great state. However, we were sitting down and eating on the patio, because it was a nice day, when I saw some miserable street trash approach from the sidewalk and start tapping patrons of the restraunt on the shoulder and ask for spare change. This guy was disgusting, as he had various sores all over his face. There was no way I wanted him touching me, for fear of contracting Strep A, or whatever flesh-eating bacteria he was carrying. Therefore, when it was my turn for the tap, I turned and yelled at him.

"No, I don't have any spare change! I am trying to eat here and you are disgusting! Get away from us!"

Needless to say, he left us alone after that. However, I was extremely disappointed when the city police and the county health department failed to show up and arrest this guy for vagrancy. It seems to me that a possible disease vector like this should not be allowed to walk the streets and bother people when they are eating. Domestic partnerships and lepers walking the street. I don't know where our society is going. I think that it's safe to say that these sorts of problems will only be complicated further if liberalism continues to grow.

Copyright 2006

The Sloth

30th July 2006, 22:45

patton,

based on your posts, you seem to attract a lot of homeless and/or sick people. you might offer some kind of elaborate, metaphysical self-serving, uncritical signification in hopes of 'splaynin it, but i can offer something simpler.. and possibly much more accurate:

the sick, the mentally retarded, and the poor might smell some filth, some decadence a mile away.. or, in your case, a meter away. so, when they come up to you, with sores all over, don't be flattered, and don't be frightened; they're simply curious about the facts of life.. in short, the facts of the other side of the rather grimy coin.. i.e., you. after all, the facts concern them very much, even if they happen to not concern you.

quite arbitrarily, you just happen to be the "tails".. scrape the little bit of pompous sculpture off the sides, clip the feathers, and clip the claws, however, and you're simply left with a blank, uninteresting, and rather insignificant disk pushing its way into the world through force and violence. and i must say, it sort of fits your profile.. and your personality.

i can understand if you feel that sort of arrangement suits you.. it does, after all, reduce the world to your level of comprehension. but, just because you don't understand much doesn't mean that the entire world has to be dragged down to your stupidity. it is, in short, your own personal shortcoming, not anyone else's, and i could imagine that most people would appreciate it if you'd keep your projections on yourself, and only on yourself. thanks.

and i also understand that what i'm saying might be construed as an implication of sorts -- an implication that an ordinary homeless person might have a little more sense than you. and that's exactly right.. i'm implying no less than that. after all, many homeless people have few illusions about the world, a thing you ought to work on.

also.. the red faces, gasps of disbelief, and et cetera, that flood your posts with drama are not at all elements of a good argument. in fact, they are not elements of any argument, much less a good one. can't substitute some heavy, stomping feet and/or clawing tantrums for good sense.. sorry!

ebeneezer

31st July 2006, 09:17

Originally posted by General [email protected] 30 2006, 06:20 PM
Ebeneezer,

You are not going to believe this one.

Yesterday, I went out to eat in my old college town with my girlfriend, her brother, and my sister. I was already very annoyed by a group of people who had put a table out in front of the restraunt for the purpose of gathering signatures for a domestic partnership initiative that they are trying to get on the ballot in my great state. However, we were sitting down and eating on the patio, because it was a nice day, when I saw some miserable street trash approach from the sidewalk and start tapping patrons of the restraunt on the shoulder and ask for spare change. This guy was disgusting, as he had various sores all over his face. There was no way I wanted him touching me, for fear of contracting Strep A, or whatever flesh-eating bacteria he was carrying. Therefore, when it was my turn for the tap, I turned and yelled at him.

"No, I don't have any spar change! I am trying to eat here and you are disgusting! Get away from us!"

Needless to say, he left us alone after that. However, I was extremely disappointed when the city police and the county health department failed to show up and arrest this guy for vagrancy. It seems to me that a possible disease vector like this should not be allowed to walk the streets and bother people when they are eating. Domestic partnerships and lepers walking the street. I don't know where our society is going. I think that it's safe to say that these sorts of problems will only be complicated further if liberalism continues to grow.
hahahha yeah, I get that all the time in the city. In the early morning and anytime anywhere after 9:30pm/10pm there are always punk vagrants lazing about asking for specific spare change like: "Do you have 85 cents?" to make it look like they aren't begging and need a bus ticket or something. Yeah right I'm not fooled.

But I hear Las Vegas has made feeding these peoepl a crime so we have some developments in the issue.

General Patton

31st July 2006, 09:26

"Do you have 85 cents?" to make it look like they aren't begging and need a bus ticket or something. Yeah right I'm not fooled.

Even if it were for a bus ticket, why should you be responsible for his bus fair? I could see helping him if he looked clean and had a legitimate excuse, like losing one's wallet. However, if he was clearly a bum, he shouldn't get one dime from anyone, unless he happens to find it on the ground or in a payphone. Who the hell gives these people anything?

Have you ever seen the group of stupid hippies that ask you to "help make love on the sidewalk", while they are using change to depict a heart. Usually they are sitting in the way and blocking old people in walkers and handicapped people in wheelchairs from having reasonable egress. What a bunch of assholes.

ebeneezer

31st July 2006, 09:31

Originally posted by General [email protected] 31 2006, 06:27 AM

"Do you have 85 cents?" to make it look like they aren't begging and need a bus ticket or something. Yeah right I'm not fooled.

Even if it were for a bus ticket, why should you be responsible for his bus fair? I could see helping him if he looked clean and had a legitimate excuse, like losing one's wallet. However, if he was clearly a bum, he shouldn't get one dime from anyone, unless he happens to find it on the ground or in a payphone. Who the hell gives these people anything?
Yeah, I heard him passing by an hour later asking for 85 cents as well later on that night, even after witnessing someone give it to him. The punk was at it again a few days later but he forgot he asked me once already. I told him to rack off. Others have similar tactics. They are all in cahoots.

BurnTheOliveTree

31st July 2006, 11:07

You two seem not to understand the desperation of homelessness. For the life of me, I cannot even begin to see an argument coming from either of you two... It's just vile hate-speech.

PATTON: Hey ebeneezer, *snigger snigger* yesterday, there's this poor person who has nothing left in the world, right? The little punk tries to ask for help!!!! The audacity of it!!! So I gave that ungrateful son of a ***** a backhander!!!! Yeah!!!! *foams at the mouth*

EBENEEZER: RIGHT ON PATTON!!!!!!! WILL YOU GO TO DINNER WITH ME?

PATTON: I'd love to.

Copyright 2006. (Meaningless)

-Alex

ebeneezer

31st July 2006, 11:56

hehe. I suppose you think you've conceptualised us nicely. You fail to see society should not be pandering to the lowest common demominator. There is no progress in that. Your opinion is irrelevant. I mean you actually think taking glee in the misfortunes of others is a disorder? I would have thought it was more an evolutionary mechanism. If it exists how it that a disorder? I would call it order. Anyway, to humor you, the definition I beleives applies in part to you guys, listen:

Sadist Personality disorder:

Neuroticism:
Chronic negative affects, including anxiety, fearfulness, tension, irritability, anger, dejection, hopelessness, guilt, shame; difficulty in inhibiting impulses: for example, to eat, drink, or spend money; irrational beliefs: for example, unrealistic expectations, perfectionistic demands on self, unwarranted pessimism; unfounded somatic concerns; helplessness and dependence on others for emotional support and decision making.
I don't suffer any of these really. Most of these are common to everyone anyway. Especially you guys who feel these towards our nice cpaitlaist system.

High Extraversion
Excessive talking, leading to inappropriate self-disclosure and social friction; inability to spend time alone; attention seeking and overly dramatic expression of emotions; reckless excitement seeking; inappropriate attempts to dominate and control others.
Check, check, check, check, check, check, check. So what.

High Openness
Preoccupation with fantasy and daydreaming; lack of practicality; eccentric thinking (e.g., belief in ghosts, reincarnation, UFOs); diffuse identity and changing goals: for example, joining religious cult; susceptibility to nightmares and states of altered consciousness; social rebelliousness and nonconformity that can interfere with social or vocational advancement
Role playing gamers are sadists? I beleive in Ghosts. Ghosts are either quantum imprints in spacetime caused by excessive repetition of activity causing a harmonic beat in time or extrasensory manifestations of telepathy specific to certain individuals. UFOS are real too. We are aliens to other planets are we not? We build spaceships do we not? How is this impossible? I'm not religious but would like to start a cult to make lotza money. I have heaps of nightmares. Altered consicousness is merely sleep. I am very anti-conformist. I hate work and workers who can't save. I suppose you guys are conformists? Huh, you could be sadists too.

Low Agreeableness
Cynicism and paranoid thinking; inability to trust even friends or family; quarrelsomeness; too ready to pick fights; exploitive and manipulative; lying; rude and inconsiderate manner alienates friends, limits social support; lack of respect for social conventions can lead to troubles with the law; inflated and grandiose sense of self; arrogance.
yep, but I never pick fights. And I am very considerate...unfortunately.

High Conscientiousness
Overachievement: workaholic absorption in job or cause to the exclusion of family, social, and personal interests; compulsiveness, including excessive cleanliness, tidiness, and attention to detail; rigid self-discipline and an inability to set tasks aside and relax; lack of spontaneity; overscrupulousness in moral behavior.
I am no excessively clean. I am a slight workaholic. I am untidy. I can relaz. I am very spontaneous. See, its all rubbish burntheolivetree! Hmmmmm, overscrupulous in moral behaviour? Wouldn't that conflict with being rude and inconsiderate, (see above). See, its rubbish. More pseudosciecne. Sadism is perfectly normal. I am sure you'd all love to grind your enemies into dust or exact delight from the punishment of others. Go on, admit it. Even Si Pinto said he'd like to be a screw in my prison.

Phsychology is a pseudoscience. And You burntheolivetree are a sadophobe.

BurnTheOliveTree

31st July 2006, 18:01

I'd rather have you see sense than beat you up. So tell me, with your talk of evolutionary mechanisms, which is how you describe your glee other's misfortunes, are you advocating social darwinism?

If i'm a sadophobe, then shoot me, Freud. As mental disorders go, what kick arse condition. I'm afraid/hateful towards bastards. Time for the padded cell, no doubt.

-Alex

P.S How is psychology pseudoscience? :huh:

BurnTheOliveTree

31st July 2006, 18:03

RE your comment about the lowest common denominator.

It's not that we think society should pander to the lowest common denominator. We just disapprove of kicking the lowest common denominator in the face, and enjoying it.

-Alex

ebeneezer

1st August 2006, 10:14

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 03:04 PM
RE your comment about the lowest common denominator.

It's not that we think society should pander to the lowest common denominator. We just disapprove of kicking the lowest common denominator in the face, and enjoying it.

-Alex
Charity helps no-one. Teach a man to fish however, and you feed him for a lifetime. We should give homeless people apprenticeships. See? I'm not heartless.

And I don't want to kick anybody. We should help the homeless fit into society. By giving them loose change, you only help them fit into being homeless.

BurnTheOliveTree

1st August 2006, 12:08

Giving them apprenticeships, huh? Well that could be counted as charity, couldn't it? You seem to be contradicting yourself now. The point is, they are not there by choice. Therefore, it is society's responsibility to get them out of their hell hole. Agreed?

-Alex

ebeneezer

1st August 2006, 13:16

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 09:09 AM
Giving them apprenticeships, huh? Well that could be counted as charity, couldn't it? You seem to be contradicting yourself now. The point is, they are not there by choice. Therefore, it is society's responsibility to get them out of their hell hole. Agreed?

-Alex
Actually, giving them apprenticeships is the only way I see we can make them productive members of society. I would like to make it clear it is not out of benevolence however that I would give them apprenticeships. Its is out of self-interest in wanting a more productive society.

See, suddenly cold hearted capitalism becomes more effective than the most generous charity.

Of course, they are perfectly able to seek apprenticeships themselves. Why don't they?

Janus

1st August 2006, 20:58

Of course, they are perfectly able to seek apprenticeships themselves. Why don't they?
Schools cost money and the apprenticeships of old are generally gone. Besides, no one is gonna help out a homeless guy.

However, some homeless people are taking initiatives and going into schooling with some help. Would you like to take that away as well?

ebeneezer

3rd August 2006, 12:59

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 05:59 PM

Of course, they are perfectly able to seek apprenticeships themselves. Why don't they?
Schools cost money and the apprenticeships of old are generally gone. Besides, no one is gonna help out a homeless guy.

However, some homeless people are taking initiatives and going into schooling with some help. Would you like to take that away as well?
If they can't get themselves apprenticed, they aren't going to be able to drag themselves to work everyday and so are useless for society.

Consider life on the streets like an IQ test. I one is clever, one gets off them. Do we really want to encourage stupidity? I think not. Just another reason to despise communism.

Socialistpenguin

3rd August 2006, 13:05

That's probably why we had so many bums-turned-scientists.

Right?
Because, you know, education is so FREE and readily available.....oh right. whoops.

RedAnarchist

3rd August 2006, 13:10

Originally posted by ebeneezer+Aug 3 2006, 11:00 AM--> (ebeneezer @ Aug 3 2006, 11:00 AM)
[email protected] 1 2006, 05:59 PM

Of course, they are perfectly able to seek apprenticeships themselves. Why don't they?
Schools cost money and the apprenticeships of old are generally gone. Besides, no one is gonna help out a homeless guy.

However, some homeless people are taking initiatives and going into schooling with some help. Would you like to take that away as well?
If they can't get themselves apprenticed, they aren't going to be able to drag themselves to work everyday and so are useless for society.

Consider life on the streets like an IQ test. I one is clever, one gets off them. Do we really want to encourage stupidity? I think not. Just another reason to despise communism. [/b]
Very few homeless people are stupid. Many are mentally ill, and are unable to get help fot it. Many ran away from home as children to escape abuse and therefore missed out on much of their education. Homeless people are not stupid, they are some of the biggest victims of capitalism in the Western world today.

ebeneezer

3rd August 2006, 13:14

Originally posted by ThisAnarchistKillsNazis+Aug 3 2006, 10:11 AM--> (ThisAnarchistKillsNazis @ Aug 3 2006, 10:11 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 11:00 AM

[email protected] 1 2006, 05:59 PM

Of course, they are perfectly able to seek apprenticeships themselves. Why don't they?
Schools cost money and the apprenticeships of old are generally gone. Besides, no one is gonna help out a homeless guy.

However, some homeless people are taking initiatives and going into schooling with some help. Would you like to take that away as well?
If they can't get themselves apprenticed, they aren't going to be able to drag themselves to work everyday and so are useless for society.

Consider life on the streets like an IQ test. I one is clever, one gets off them. Do we really want to encourage stupidity? I think not. Just another reason to despise communism.
Very few homeless people are stupid. Many are mentally ill, and are unable to get help fot it. Many ran away from home as children to escape abuse and therefore missed out on much of their education. Homeless people are not stupid, they are some of the biggest victims of capitalism in the Western world today. [/b]
The ones from broken homes aren't stupid. But the adults all are. Trust me, I bump into them almost every day. Always harassing me for money. Can't they get a job like everyone else?