My Response To The Border Problem...

[General Patton]

Here is my idea to address the ongoing invasion. First, all social services should be cut off, no welfare for any foreign national. If you are here, you should have technical skills and a H-1b visa. I would air drop crates loaded with Mexican nationals who have been clogging up our criminal justice system into Mexico City, with the worst and most unreliable parachutes available. Then, I would start targeting the barrios for a large-scale round up and deportation program. I would send most of them back, while retaining enough Mexican nationals to repay their debt to our society by building the 2500 mile concrete wall along our southern border. However, I would add an additional razor wire fence about 1/2 mile in on the Mexican side of the wall. This 1/2 mile buffer would be guarded heavily by national guardsmen who would be given shoot to kill orders for any males seen trying to circumvent the fence. Mines should also be employed in this zone. In addition, I would send ultra low frequency sound at a range of 1 mile into Mexico, to give anyone approaching the border an ominous and dreadful feeling that may deter them. Border patrol agents would also be given access to Predator UAV's to help them patrol the area and stop incoming traffic. If they get past all of that, then .50 caliber shells out of the Barret M-82A1 would be the final recourse. I am pretty sure, that my approach would actually solve the problem we have been having with illegal aliens crossing our border. After that, start launching incursions that target human and drug traffickers on the Mexican side of the Border using U.S. Special Operations units. Once that problem is solved, I would start working on our northern border.

Copyright 2006

[Janus]

And you are going to pull this money out of your ass?


Once that problem is solved, I would start working on our northern border.
Fortress America! :lol:

[RedAnarchist]

I'm not American, but my solution is -

Stop considering people as illegal, give the Mexicans that big chunk of land you stole from them in the 19th century back and stop supporting free trade (as if that would happen) and make trade more fairer. Maybe then Mexico would be on a more equal footing with its fat, greedy neighbour.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by patton+Jul 28 2006, 05:12 PM--> (patton @ Jul 28 2006, 05:12 PM)
General [email protected] 28 2006, 05:41 AM
Here is my idea to address the ongoing invasion. First, all social services should be cut off, no welfare for any foreign national. If you are here, you should have technical skills and a H-1b visa. I would air drop crates loaded with Mexican nationals who have been clogging up our criminal justice system into Mexico City, with the worst and most unreliable parachutes available. Then, I would start targeting the barrios for a large-scale round up and deportation program. I would send most of them back, while retaining enough Mexican nationals to repay their debt to our society by building the 2500 mile concrete wall along our southern border. However, I would add an additional razor wire fence about 1/2 mile in on the Mexican side of the wall. This 1/2 mile buffer would be guarded heavily by national guardsmen who would be given shoot to kill orders for any males seen trying to circumvent the fence. Mines should also be employed in this zone. In addition, I would send ultra low frequency sound at a range of 1 mile into Mexico, to give anyone approaching the border an ominous and dreadful feeling that may deter them. Border patrol agents would also be given access to Predator UAV's to help them patrol the area and stop incoming traffic. If they get past all of that, then .50 caliber shells out of the Barret M-82A1 would be the final recourse. I am pretty sure, that my approach would actually solve the problem we have been having with illegal aliens crossing our border. After that, start launching incursions that target human and drug traffickers on the Mexican side of the Border using U.S. Special Operations units. Once that problem is solved, I would start working on our northern border.

Copyright 2006
I LOVE YOUR PLAN GENERAL PATTON. PREACH ON GENERAL KEEP TRYING TO BRING ENLIGHTMENT TO THE LONEY LEFT. [/b]
If you are going to make sock puppets, GP, at least mae the username a bit more original, ok?

[RedAnarchist]

And why do you put "copyright 2006" after your post? why would anyone want to steal the crap you excrete onto this forum?

[Janus]

I LOVE YOUR PLAN GENERAL PATTON
Narcissist. :lol:


KEEP TRYING TO BRING ENLIGHTMENT TO THE LONEY LEFT.
Perhaps someone could enlighten you so that you can get a spellcheck? :lol:

I'm sure you won't be loving his plan after your taxes increase tenfold.

[Janus]

NOT THEY ELIMITED WELFARE AND USE THAT MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.
They'll slash healthcare and education before that, would you like that as well?



If you are going to make sock puppets, GP, at least mae the username a bit more original, ok?
He thinks his caps-lock trick is gonna fool everyone. :lol:

[Lord Testicles]

Why does this site attract all the moronic cappies? There must be a few sane and intellegent ones out there?

[Janus]

Please refrain from spamming.

I'm sure the smarter cappies have better things to do like run the capitalist system. :rolleyes:

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Janus+Jul 28 2006, 11:33 AM--> (Janus @ Jul 28 2006, 11:33 AM) Please refrain from spamming.

I'm sure the smarter cappies have better things to do like run the capitalist system. :rolleyes: [/b]
Relax Janus.

I know you want to "stretch your newly aquired mod-wings" but please, don't be ridiculous.

It's funny what "a little power" will do to some folks. :lol:



little boy patton
NOT THEY ELIMITED WELFARE AND USE THAT MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

Sorry bub, there just aint enough money there. Social Welfare programs are only 8 to 10 percent of the federal budget.

(to put this into perspective, defense is about 45% while government pensions are aourd 15%)

If you were an educated man you would have known that more resources exist from "illegals" in the form of taxes alone.

"Illegals" contribute billions of dollars in taxes anually and they don't collect on thier returns. The days of "working under the table" are long since passed thanks to strict enforcment of employer laws as well as harsher penalties for infractions.

"Illegals" purchase and pay taxes on valid SSN's and never collect on any tax return.

Where do you think this money goes, silly boy?

[Janus]

I would send ultra low frequency sound at a range of 1 mile into Mexico, to give anyone approaching the border an ominous and dreadful feeling that may deter them.
:lol: I just noticed this.

If it's low frequency, no one would sense it. Only with a radio could pick they up. :lol:

[Janus]

Relax Janus.

I know you want to "stretch your newly aquired mod-wings" but please, don't be ridiculous.

It's funny what "a little power" will do to some folks.
I've actually had them for a while. :P
So spam should just be accepted in here?

Anyways, good to see you in OI. You deal with these restricted members very well. :)

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by janus
So spam should just be accepted in here?


From Capitalists? No.

From leftists? Yes.

[Janus]

Ok. Sounds good to me. :lol:


Sorry bub, there just aint enough money there. Social Welfare programs are only 8 to 10 percent of the federal budget.
I think he may be talking about Social Security and health insurance as well which would be an incredibly idiotic move.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I think he may be talking about Social Security and health insurance as well which would be an incredibly idiotic move.

The previous number includes medicare-aid programs.

[black magick hustla]

yea those damn brownies are stealing my jobs and my taxes

[red team]

HEY DUMBASS DO YOU KNOW THAT THE US BUDGET IS OVER ONE TRILLON DOLLARS MEANING THAT 10 PERCENT THEY PISS AWAY ON WELFARE IS OVER 100 BILLONS DOLLARS.

Hey Dumbass. Where do think all that welfare money goes? The poor is going to lock it away in a bank vault? :lol:

100 Billion dollars for welfare means 100 billion dollars going to the purchase of cheap food and rent which contributes to the economy. Speaking of which, where do you think cheap food and rent is produced from? Immigrant labour who are often so poor that they live five families to a house. Kind of makes you wonder where that 100 billion dollars in welfare payments end up after being spent doesn't it cause it's certainly not the people working on their hands and knees to make it.

Dumbass!

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by lobotamised capitalist
HEY DUMBASS DO YOU KNOW THAT THE US BUDGET IS OVER ONE TRILLON DOLLARS MEANING THAT 10 PERCENT THEY PISS AWAY ON WELFARE IS OVER 100 BILLONS DOLLARS.

And how much of that 100 billion dollars is "stolen" by "illegals", or did you already forget the point of your post?

Let us also remember that "illegals" contribute more that 100 billion dollars in taxes, in essence they completely pay for a system that only a amall portion of them get to use.

Since they are the ones paying for social welfare, what is done with the trillions of dollars in taxes paid by "legals" for social welfare?

Can't answer that little tidbit can you, son.

In addition, I'm glad you think social welfare programs are "pissing money away" while the governemt spends hundreds of millions each year on silly ad campaigns no one cares about.

Tell that to the mother of four who used to be a housewive until her husband was killed in a car accident. Now she must rely on social programs in order to keep herself and her children from starving or simply to maintain a roof over their heads.

Unless of course you think it's funny to see 4 children and 1 mother living in a broken down station wagon eating scraps out of gabage cans.

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 07:35 PM
yea those damn brownies are stealing my jobs and my taxes
hey guys did you know the average iq of hispanics is much lower than the average iq of white people??????????????????' :blush:

hmmmmm

m,aybe this means that after all mexicans are dumb

hmmmmmmm

[Janus]

The previous number includes medicare-aid programs.
Hmm...
I know the gov. is one to exaggerate its claims but it seems that Social Security and healthcare added together make up over 20% of the budget.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by flatlined intellect
SHOW ME WHERE YOU GOT THOSE NUMBERS AT. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT THEY CONTRIUTE TRILLONS IN TAXES EVERY YEAR. OKAY RETARD LETS DO THE MATH THERE ARE 11 MILLON ILLEGALS HERE THAT MAKE 5.50 PER HOUR NOW TIMES BYE 30 PERCENT TAX RATE. THEY PAY IN A LITTLE OVER A BILLONS IN TAXES. NOT TRILLONS POT HEAD A LITTLE OVER A BILLON

Who said that "illegals" contribute trillions of dollars in taxes?

Once you learn how to read a federal budget graph perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension.

After that we can work on simple division.

You'll get it someday son! Just keep on trucking little man, be like the "little engine that could".

[tecumseh]

I dont know if any of the other members will find this sick, but i actually laughed while reading your asinine post. Im glad to see youre taking a page from the zionazis.

[General Patton]

I just noticed this.

If it's low frequency, no one would sense it. Only with a radio could pick they up.

Shows what you know, which isn't much. There is plenty of documentation to support what I am saying about the use of infrasound as a lethal and non-lethal weapon. The navy utilizes a device known as Low Frequency Active Sonar as an anti-submarine weapon. Whales and dolphins are known to have beached themselves after coming within close proximity to the signal.

Furthermore, I highly recommend the following publication. Below is an excerpt from its findings.

Infrasound Toxicological Summary, November 2001 - "When male volunteers were exposed to simulated industrial infrasound of 5 and 10 Hz and levels of 100 and 135 dB for 15 minutes, feelings of fatigue, apathy, and depression, pressure in the ears, loss of concentration, drowsiness, and vibration of internal organs were reported. In addition, effects were found in the central nervous system, the cardiovascular system, and the respiratory system. Synchronization phenomena were enhanced in the left hemisphere. Visual motor responses to stimuli were prolonged, and the strength of the effect was reduced. Heart rate was increased during the initial minutes of exposure. Depression of the encephalic hemodynamics with decreased venous flow from the skull cavity was observed. Heart muscle contraction strength was reduced. Respiration rate was significantly reduced after the first minute of exposure."

Source: Infrasound Toxicological Summary, November 2001 (http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/Infrasound.pdf)

I would also recommend that you take a look at this lesser known story about scientific discovery. It details how Vladimir Gavreau stumbled onto this particular phenomenon and started finding practical application for it.

The Sonic Weapon of Vladimir Gavreau (http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/gavreaus.htm)

Next time you chime in on something you know absolutely nothing about, I suggest you do some research to make sure that I don't actually know what I am talking about. Otherwise, you are going to continue to make yourself look like a fool.

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 29 2006, 12:51 AM

I just noticed this.

If it's low frequency, no one would sense it. Only with a radio could pick they up.

Shows what you know, which isn't much. There is plenty of documentation to support what I am saying about the use of infrasound as a lethal and non-lethal weapon. The navy utilizes a device known as Low Frequency Active Sonar as an anti-submarine weapon. Whales and dolphins are known to have beached themselves after coming within close proximity to the signal.
Oh yes, because Mexican immigrants are reknowned for their frequent submarine invasions, and Mexican marine life regularly attempts to cross the border to find work. A low frequency signal will solve it all.

[Janus]

The navy utilizes a device known as Low Frequency Active Sonar as an anti-submarine weapon. Whales and dolphins are known to have beached themselves after coming within close proximity to the signal.
Yes, because we're whales and dolphins.



I suggest you do some research to make sure that I don't actually know what I am talking about. Otherwise, you are going to continue to make yourself look like a fool.
Says the guy who makes outlandish and outrageous plans, perhaps you should do a bit more research and face reality.

[General Patton]

Yes, because we're whales and dolphins.

Hey moron, the quote beneath the point you are responding to here describes adverse human effects resulting from exposure to infrasound. I also provided you with the publication Infrasound Toxilogical Summary, which that quote came from. You made a statement out of ignorance that because the signal was low frequency that it would be inaudible and therefore people subject to it would not be able to detect it. That's following a line of reason which supposes that because something can not be seen nor heard that it doesn't have any effect. Need I remind you of the existence of infrared radiation, ultraviolet radiation, microwaves, gamma rays, UHF and VHF. You do know that you can't hear radio waves unless you have an amplitude of frequency wave modulator don't you? Furthermore, you could put a hamster in a microwave and watch the effects. If you built a microwave large enough to place a human into, the effects would be much the same. Often times the effects that technology has on animals gives us some indication about the impact that these technologies may have on human life, hence the reason we use animal experimentation. Of course, this is a point that is lost on you because of your limited capacity.

[red team]

Sure you can attempt to do it, but what you seem to forget is that the weakness of energy weapons is that dispersal over a distance decreases the energy proportional to the distance squared. And you want this thing beamed over the length of the entire Mexico border? :lol:

You're welcomed to it as it will really bankrupt the country in terms of energy resources with this fence in operation more than a week!

[General Patton]

I am not suggesting that we transmit the signal from one source across the entire length of the border, but rather various different locations across the length of the border directed inward with a intensity strong enough only to effect people at a very small distance from the border. It seems to me, that this would take no more energy than running a couple of dozen radio stations, maybe less. How is that going to bankrupt the nation? What's bankrupting the nation is housing hordes of invaders and providing them with social services and hospitalization. I have't yet done the calculations, but I am sure that when compared to the money that illegals are costing Americans, my solution is actually cheaper.

[Entrails Konfetti]

You moron placing deadly weapons on borders is a sign of warfare.

No one would back us in a war against Mexico, not to mention that a large section in the US Millitary is comprised of Mexican Immigrants.

[General Patton]

You moron placing deadly weapons on borders is a sign of warfare.

So is invading your neighbor's country with millions of your citizens and encouraging them to remain loyal to their nationality and language. Whether or not Mexico wants to declare war on us for protecting our border is up to them. To defeat them in a war would not require a multilateral coalition. I don't think Mexico would be dumb enough to provoke us into taking more real estate from them.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 31 2006, 02:54 AM
So is invading your neighbor's country with millions of your citizens and encouraging them to remain loyal to their nationality and language.
Um, they aren't armed. They aren't an invasion.


Whether or not Mexico wants to declare war on us for protecting our border is up to them.

Look, only in war circumstances does a country militarizes their border like that.
It doesn't have to be ratified by congress for it to be considered a war, and it will be seen internationally as an act of war.


To defeat them in a war would not require a multilateral coalition.
Multilaterial coalitions have failed in the past, so you wouldn't do any good without one when going against the whole of Latin America.


I don't think Mexico would be dumb enough to provoke us into taking more real estate from them.
Some of them would probably want to be a part of the USA so NAFTA couldn't rob them of decent living conditions.

Futher more they wouldn't be the provocateers, you would be. and this talk of taking away real-estate-- the USA is past that stage of colonialism. We're in imperialism now where thirdworld countries are indebt to corporations from first-world countries. The USA doesn't need to purchase countries.

Shit man, you're a capitalist and you don't even know what you're defending in arguments-- you don't know how any of it works.

[red team]

So who do you think will be willing to work in terrible conditions for sub-standard wages? Know of any privileged middle class whites willing to work picking strawberries or cleaning toilets for less than the minimum wage? Provoking a war with Mexico is a political impossibility because you'll be slitting your own throats with the sizeable immigrant population inside "your own" borders already. Besides, we're moving in the opposite direction with NAFTA and FTAA, so the ruling elites as much of a group of scoundrels that they are seems to be wiser than you politically.

[General Patton]

You seem to fancy yourself as somewhat of a technocrat. In order to deal with the problem that you address, I would provide incentives for companies that find innovative ways of automating jobs and processes that are currently being conducted by illegal immigrants. McDonalds should certainly be capable of this feat. Let's face it, they already have mindless robots working their assembly line.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 31 2006, 05:10 AM
You seem to fancy yourself as somewhat of a technocrat. In order to deal with the problem that you address, I would provide incentives for companies that find innovative ways of automating jobs and processes that are currently being conducted by illegal immigrants. McDonalds should certainly be capable of this feat. Let's face it, they already have mindless robots working their assembly line.
Wait so you'll make Mexico the 51st state, and then automate the jobs?

How utterly pointless! :lol:

Also since capitalism has to keep improving the means of production, the more workers it places out of work. With the more workers out of work there are less people to keep echanges going, and that makes the economy collapse.

If every industry could automate the means of production they would, they have the technology, but they know the dangers of automation if it's done too soon.
It's their impending doom.

[Janus]

Hey moron, the quote beneath the point you are responding to here
Hey moron, you're proposing wasting millions of dollars just to give people the creeps. :lol:

[red team]

You seem to fancy yourself as somewhat of a technocrat. In order to deal with the problem that you address, I would provide incentives for companies that find innovative ways of automating jobs and processes that are currently being conducted by illegal immigrants. McDonalds should certainly be capable of this feat. Let's face it, they already have mindless robots working their assembly line.

Certainly. Not for the reason that I share you views in "foreign" people as "inferior" or subhuman, but that it would hasten the collapse of an unsustainable system that have outlived it's usefulness. Technology is potentially a very good thing in that it could provide material abundance that is only limited to physical resource constraints, but under a debt-for-labour system as we have now millions of tons of obviously useful items will be dumped simply for the reason that it couldn't be sold to people who have been replaced by more productive machines that are owned by people who does no work corresponding to the output of such tremendous wealth.

You can go ahead and attempt to implement such a system of automated production. It would only worsen the crisis of profitability as the sole source of profit is returned wages from consumer purchases. If fullscale automation ever happens under this system (I highly doubt it) workers, including immigrants, would obviously see the productive potential of technology in producing huge amounts of material wealth with a minimal of unnecessary drudgery, but would also obviously see the wastefulness and irrationality of a system that rewards theft of labour and moreover, can only realize this theft from the purchases of products from wages regardless of whether or not the products themselves can be simply taken and used because there is no longer a need to have this production be correlated to labour in any meaningful sense because of the automation of labour.

You simply cannot pay a machine to be a consumer and the wealthy can only aborb so much in mass-produced quantity of products. You don't want 10,000 pairs of the same shoes no matter how rich you are. But if you think the dispossessed would stand aside to witness such gluttony and wastefulness of so much productive potential by the monopoly owners of society then you simply don't know people that well.

In any case by that time of technological mastery in production the debt system as we have known it in trading money tokens in returned for labour produced goods and services would have collapsed for sure. Money would not be worth the paper it's printed on simply because money as a device used to notarise a debt for manual labour produced goods or services would be inconsequential versus the wealth produced by automated machines, so why would I want that piece of paper for? Why would anybody? It would be revolution for sure.

[red team]

Supply chains for transnational corporations are global. Pieces of a product have many prefabricated parts manufacturing centers, product assembly centers, logistic operations, distribution centers, accounting and management offices in all parts of the globe, so it makes as much sense to militarize "your own" border to make things difficult for the free flow of people and commerce as it is to cut off your left hand because it has a slightly darker tan line.

In any case to sum up your position in one picture....

http://www.worldsocialism.org/images/cartoons/conflict_.jpg