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YKTMX
27th July 2006, 15:00
The Lebanese Communist Party hails the heroic resistance fighters and calls for opposing the entry of NATO forces

23 July 2006

The Political Bureau of the Lebanese Communist Party reviewed the dangerous repercussions of the Zionist aggression against Lebanon and its people that has continued for 12 days and noted the following:

First: The Political Bureau hails the noble resistance heroes in the ranks of the patriotic and Islamic resistance who are writing with their blood the most splendid pages in the history of our people and our Arab Nation. It sees in their heroism the rays of a new dawn of freedom for all the peoples of the region suffering under the yoke of the United States and Israel at a time when the Arab regimes have abandoned their places to link themselves entirely with America's plans.

Second: The plans for a solution proposed by the George Bush administration, in particular the "New Middle East," and the drive to introduce NATO troops into our south are plans aimed, not only at protecting the borders of Israel and liquidating our people's resistance and ability to reject the surrender settlements that it aims to impose on our region, but opens the way before the Zionists to wipe out the Palestine issue displacing its people once again and pushing he Arabs into a maelstrom of partition and endless conflicts.

Condoleezza Rice's trip to the region is only for the purpose of marketing this plan, which we reject in whole and in part. We demand that the Lebanese government take a resolute stand rejecting the entry into our south of forces from the western alliances – forces with which we had bitter experiences during the Israeli aggression of 1982 and the events that followed it. We also demand that the government call for a comprehensive national meeting to lay out plans for putting an end to the aggression and for dealing with the internal problems in a way that preserves Lebanon and its people, not one based on the interests of the aggressors.

Third: It will not be possible to confront the new stage in the Zionist-American plan in an effective and comprehensive way if we fail to pay adequate attention to those who have been displaced by the aggressive war and thrown once again on the roads of exile. It is the duty of the state, as represented by the Supreme Relief Council and all the service ministries to guarantee appropriate dwellings for those now sleeping on the sidewalks, in addition to insuring that food, medicine, and medical care be provided them and all those who still live in the areas exposed to daily bombardment by the Zionist forces.

Fourth: The Political Bureau of the Lebanese Communist Party calls on all leftist, progressive, and democratic forces in the world to broaden the scope of their solidarity activity with Lebanon, not only by organizing demonstrations and protests in front of the embassies of the United States and Israel in their countries, but by sending delegations and committees to Lebanon to investigate the facts and to see up close the crimes that Israel is committing against the Lebanese people, beginning with its massacres of peaceful residential districts and up to its use of internationally prohibited weapons (including poison gas; phosphorous bombs; cluster, fragmentation, and vacuum bombs; as well as depleted uranium).

The Politbureau also calls on the Arab peoples to press their governments to take real action in support of Lebanon, and calls on the peoples of Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco to close the embassies of Israel in their countries.

Eternal glory to the resistance fighters and the heroic martyrs!

Lebanon will triumph over the aggressors!

Beirut, 23 July 2006.

The Political Bureau of the Lebanese Communist Party.




Perhaps the comrades viciously pleasuring themselves at the thought of being "pure" and not supporting the "Islamists" should take a good, long read.

This is solidarity, not your self-congratulatory ultra-leftism.

Enragé
27th July 2006, 15:03
exactly!

Intifada
27th July 2006, 15:16
Good statement.

Janus
27th July 2006, 19:22
What's with the spam?

Anyways, this kind of support is nothing surprising.

But I was wondering, what is the situation between Hezbollah and the communists during peacetime. Is there major tension similar to what goes on in other Muslim dominated countries?

More Fire for the People
27th July 2006, 20:10
Good. A LCP-Hezbollah alliance is adventageous to the Lebanese people at the moment. But of course, you would support Hezbollah even if they sacrified Jewish babies on the streets, forced women to be slaves, and murdered any secular dissentors, wouldn't you?

Nothing Human Is Alien
27th July 2006, 20:22
Ah, yes.. there's nothing like a communist party endorsing a band of reactionary Islamacists.


But of course, you would support Hezbollah even if they sacrified Jewish babies on the streets, forced women to be slaves, and murdered any secular dissentors, wouldn't you?

Which is exactly what they'll do if they ever take power.

Over a hundred years of collaborationist failures, and alot of communists still don't understand. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend!

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Israel has invaded Lebanon to undermine its enemy: The Party of God
(Hizbollah). The war can last a long time since it is a difficult
opponent to annihilate. Different from a state which can be conquered
and brought to its knees, Hizbollah was forged as a guerilla and can
use it to regroup and resist if its land is occupied. What is its
origin and what is its nature and why does Israel want to destroy it?

This is the "Party of God" which represents the main minority of
Lebanon (the Shi'ites are 40% of the population). In Lebanon, no other
party or militia is so strong and popular. Hizbollah represents the
first Arab movement which hurled human bombs and forced Israel to
withdraw from an invasion.

It is a vertical Islamic and anti-imperialist party which serves as an
example to Palestine's Hamas and several Shi'ite parties in Iraq. It
combines a wide network of religious and social welfare institutions
linked to a disciplined armed body.

Hizbollah has become the most structured party in Lebanon with a
network of hospitals, schools and local governments. It has its own
satellite channel which broadcast the Iraqi war and denounced the
aggressions of the United States and Great Britain and its preaching
has great following in the Iraqi Shi'ites (about 60% of the
population.

Little is known of its history and many other sources, such as the
conservative British The Economist have seen it as a model of armed
group that takes part in parliamentary legality.

It was begun by a Shi'ite cleric after the important events which
changed the Middle East: the Israeli invasion of Lebanon (1978) and
the Iran Revolution (1979).

In 1984, two years after the massacre at Sabra and Shatila and the
arrival of 1500 revolutionary Iranian guards, the Party of God was
formed. Some of its components have been associated with the
mega-attempt of 1983 where 240 United States marines lost their
lives.

The initial raison d'ętre of Hizbollah is its struggle against Israel
and against its allies of the Southern Army of Lebanon that no longer
exist today. The combatants of Hizbollah received protection of the
civilian Shi'ite population in ambushes against enemy forces
sponsoring the use of suicide attacks against military targets.

The Lebanese Party of God claims to have 1300 martyrs in this
struggle and is the only Arab movement that has defeated the
Zionists.

In 1989 it subscribed, together with the other Lebanese parties, to
the Taif agreement which would begin to put an end to the civil war.
Since then, this movement has begun incorporating itself into the
parliamentary system.

Hizbollah has many radio stations, schools and health centers. Its
hospitals are reputed to be better than the national ones and are
open to all patients, whether Shi'ite or not.

Its emblem is its initials in Arab with a fist that holds a rifle,
a book and a wheat spike. Both in its symbolism as well as in its
anti-imperialist discourse and social base, Hizbollah seems to have
affinity for other Third World insurgents. However, it is neither
Marxist nor socialist. It combines anti-colonial, protectionist and
welfare positions with religious fundamentalism and elements of
social conservatism.

Its leader is Sheik Hassan Nasrallan who replaced Sheik Abbas Mussawi
assassinated by Israel in 1992. Hizbollah publicly condemned the acts
of September 11, 2001, against the United States. (Version of an
article by Isaac Bigio, Bolpress)

rebelworker
27th July 2006, 20:50
A friend of mine went to visit his family in lebanon a year ago. Shortly before he arrived their had been a large rent strike in one of the poor southern suburbs of Beruit.

The area was controlled by hizbollah. They kept order by vilently putting down the rent strike, killing many of the protestors.


I have another friend who was a communist geurilla in Iran. Most of his friends were killed by the islamists during the revolution and the years that followed.

Critical support of people in resistance is one thing, this kind of glowing praise is another.

What would your political statement look like if the KKK or the christian right was rising up in the southern US to opose the zionist controlled goverment?

This is exactly the social and political role hizbullah fills. There used to be a large secular left in the middle east, unfortunately it was crushed by the US and islamists. Now people settle for islamists as resistance. How sad, memory of the left is often as short as the right...

Janus
27th July 2006, 20:57
The area was controlled by hizbollah. They kept order by vilently putting down the rent strike, killing many of the protestors.
Figured. A Pakistani comrade told me that this was the situation there as well though there haven't been many killings.

I'm guessing this praise is more rhetoric than anything else though it seems that the Communist party could be trying to ride the wave of popular resistance against the occupation that may last for a while.

Enragé
28th July 2006, 00:13
look hezbollah sucks, no doubt about that

but at the moment they are allies since they oppose a far greater threat.

Its easy to abstractly, theoretically oppose working with hezbollah, but imagine being in lebanon with friends and family getting killed by israeli bombs...what would you do? ***** about hezbollah or fight alongside them for the moment to stop the israelis killing your friends and family?

bezdomni
28th July 2006, 00:58
I met some Lebanese people in a hooka bar about a week ago. They were supposed to go back to Lebanon a few days prior, but their neighborhood has been destroyed so they have no idea what they are going to do.

They said they were leaving for France the next day to stay with some family or something.

I felt bad for them.

blake 3:17
28th July 2006, 02:11
Statement from Lebanese Revolutionary Communist Group:


IV Online magazine : IV380 - July-August 2006
Lebanon
Changing the Rules of the Game? Let it Be!
A Statement
Revolutionary Communist Group - Lebanon

By their attempt to kill a large number of unarmed civilians, and to destroy infrastructure that has been previously destroyed many times, the current Zionist government, in response to “The sincere promise” operation that the fighters of Hezbollah lately performed, aims at changing the rules of the game, making the Lebanese people pay a very high and recurring price.


To achieve this, the Zionist government doesn’t only count on its sweeping military power, but also on official Arab and international collusion, which is extremely disgraceful and flagrant. This collusion is performed by different governments in Europe and America, particularly, but also the Arab governments, primarily the Saudi, which held the Islamic resistance “fully responsible” for “uncalculated adventures” and that “it should face, alone, the consequences of the conflict it created”!! This disgraceful position was later taken also by the Egyptian president Mubarak and the Jordanian King Abdullah the Second in a joint statement.

The current situation is open to numerous possibilities, and it requires taking into consideration the following visions, conclusions and tendencies:

First: “The sincere promise” did not come like lightning in a clear sky. Israel has been making daily aggressions, by sea and air, against Lebanese sovereignty; there are still many Lebanese detainees in Israeli prisons; tens of martyrs’ bodies are not returned to their parents. The Israeli army continues bombing the Gaza strip, killing Palestinian civilians and assassinating activists and militants in Gaza and the occupied West Bank, on the pretext of retrieving the soldier Jelaad Shalit who was previously kidnapped by Palestinian organizations on the borders of the strip, for the purpose of trading him for detainees in the Israeli prisons.

The latest operation, during which the fighters of Hezbollah succeeded in kidnapping two Israeli soldiers, was faced with a disgraceful official Arab position (the same previously faced by the Palestinian operation). It represents, in fact, (almost) the only shining solidarity movement with the struggle of the Palestinian people and for the easing of its pains and miseries. At the same time it expresses loyalty to the cause of the Lebanese detainees and their Palestinian and Arab comrades in the Zionist prisons.

Second: Facing the respect for human dignity with which this operation, which only targeted soldiers, was characterized, we cannot but notice the mean spirit that we hear from the local right wing, tied to world Imperialism, which is very cautious to avoid any form of confrontation with Israel, looking only to its material interests, and to the billions of dollars that were expected within the tourism sector during this summer. It is a mean spirit that was expressed in statements by many of the figures of what is called the 14 March coalition, and specifically by the Prime Minister Fuad Saniora and his government. These statements and speeches not only distanced themselves from any solidarity with the operation, but also seemed to condemn it and its participants, calling for the completion of the Lebanese army’s control of all Lebanese areas, with what that implies concerning the disarmament of the resistance, putting an end to its role in confronting the occupation, and implementing the remaining items of Resolution 1559. This at a time when the country needs the utmost solidarity and unity in the face of the destructive war that Israel is launching against the Lebanese people. It is the same story being repeated again and again, the story of the Trojan horse, ready for use at the right moment to complete the reversal of the political, social and economic balances in its favour and the favour of its masters outside the country.

To answer all this, requires continuous work to gather the largest political and popular front - in solidarity with the heroic act that the fighters of the resistance accomplished; not submitting to the local and Arab and international pressures; refusing to hand over the two kidnapped soldiers except under the conditions which the secretary general of Hezbollah announced. It is essential to defeat the current Israel war aims and open the road to what the military analyst in Israeli Haaretz newspaper Zeif Shev expected, “if Israel loses this confrontation”... “its strategic and military stance in the region will change, and its deterrence will be shaken against the guerrilla fighting and the rocket weaponry”.

Third: The current and almost absolute capability of Israel to continue its destruction of vital installations and infrastructure, and in committing wide massacres, is specifically due, to the absence of necessary artillery against its military air force. This requires the attempt, starting now, and in any possible ways, to provide this type of weapons, especially through friendly forces in the world.

Fourth: This current battle won’t be the only one which our peoples will find themselves obliged to fight against the Israeli aggression, behind which are the allies of Israel in the Imperialist west. This calls, above all, for the surpassing of the current confessional face of the resistance, towards the retrieval of its general national face, and which is accomplished through the entrance of the broadest scope of national and progressive forces once again into the resistance, in an atmosphere of deep collaboration and agreement with the Islamic resistance.

Fifth: Concerning the complaint to the United Nations, whatever the reality of the balance of powers inside the security council is, and the almost absolute American hegemony inside it, Lebanon has to insist on the immediate and unconditional halt of the Israeli aggression, on the one hand, and for full compensation by Israel for the human and material losses that this aggression caused, on the other hand.

Sixth: Furthermore, there is an utmost need to respond to the collaborating and weak stand of the official Arab regimes, and specially to the Saudi stand which is flagrant in its hostility towards the resistance, and in its actual collaboration with the Israeli aggression, by calling for the Arab masses, in all their nations, to hit the streets, and express their condemnation and anger against their governments’ positions, and in sincere solidarity with the resistance of the Palestinian and Lebanese peoples against the Zionist occupation and aggression.

They must develop their activity to force the Egyptian, Jordanian, and Mauritanian governments to withdraw their recognition of Israel and completely cut their relationships with it, and to force the other governments which have various kinds of ties and agreements and normalization acts with Israel, to put a final end to them.

The inaction of the Arab regimes must not excuse the Syrian regime, whose officials only gave verbal meaningless support so far, without giving any direct actual support to the Lebanese people in its current fierce confrontation.

Seventh: The struggle against Israel is an essential part of the struggle against all the forces of oppression and hegemony and exploitation. Starting from this understanding, requires of the free people of the world and forces opposing capitalist globalization and war to build serious and active solidarity with the Lebanese and Palestinian peoples, and against Israel and the current war that the generals of Tel Aviv are launching. It is a fight which can begin to deepen the bloody dilemma that the occupying and aggressive state of Israel faces, and to initiate a start to its ending, in as much as a global and genuinely international front is formed to show solidarity with the two peoples and their struggle for liberation, sovereignty and just peace. In this context, the rules of the game might really change, but this time not for the interest of Israel!

15-07-2006


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The Revolutionary Communist Group are sympathisers with the Fourth International in Lebanon.Link. (http://internationalviewpoint.org/article.php3?id_article=1091)

rebelworker
28th July 2006, 03:59
The CNT fought facism along side Stalinists but they didnt write long articles praising them.

Actions speak louder than words, if the communists are engaged they dont need to kiss hizbullahs ass.

Severian
28th July 2006, 11:43
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 06:01 AM
Perhaps the comrades viciously pleasuring themselves at the thought of being "pure" and not supporting the "Islamists" should take a good, long read.
Why? That's more like a tactical alliance with the "islamic resistance" - which is mentioned only briefly - than political support for the "Party of God."

And anyway, I'm sure you don't think the line of an official Communist Party is automatically right.

It may well be right to form a tactical alliance with Hezbollah against greater enemies - or as the RCP statement puts it "This calls, above all, for the surpassing of the current confessional face of the resistance, towards the retrieval of its general national face, and which is accomplished through the entrance of the broadest scope of national and progressive forces once again into the resistance, in an atmosphere of deep collaboration and agreement with the Islamic resistance."

IIRC various leftist groups in Lebanon have done so in the past.

That doesn't require forgetting that Hezbollah is also an enemy of the working class - as rebelworker gave a concrete example of.

x_ihag
28th July 2006, 11:47
Revolutionary Communist Group - Lebanon

oh i never heard there is a RCG in Lebanon, even though i'm lebanese, i know the communistes in lebanon is devided into 2 groups:The communiste Party and the Rescue Groupe ("jabhet l inkaz")....

Do u have information on this RCG ?????


Actions speak louder than words, if the communists are engaged they dont need to kiss hizbullahs ass.

They never kissed hizbullahs ass all they r doing is supporting the action of resisting done by this paryt and yeah maybe they shouldn't support him blindly but in u'r opinion as a lebanese communiste what should i do ???
go fight hizzbullahs fighters and the IDF or just watch them fight ????
come on this whole arguing of supporting hizzbullah is not leading anywhere,the question is: how we can stop this war ??? we as communistes what is our role in all this war ???

TupacAndChe4Eva
28th July 2006, 11:48
Fight one battle at a time, not a fight on every front, at the same time.

Hezbollah are radical Islamacists.

However, on a battle-to-battle basis, their fight against Israel is a fight against Imperialism.

( Israel get buffer zone, move Israeli's into this zone, claim the people there are at home, land partitioned to Israel).

In this battle, it is Hezbollah who are fighting the "good fight".

Jamal
28th July 2006, 12:37
People here when they fail to understand something, jump to stupid conclusions that reflect their personality.

Action speaks louder than words, well jammoul(The Lebanese National Resistance Front) is the action and when you engage in any political field you have to use words. :wacko:


if the communists are engaged they dont need to kiss hizbullahs ass.
do some researdh and grow up! then come back and try to make sense out of what you just said!

You should understand the whole situation here before you type some words and click on the add reply botton!

Tekun
28th July 2006, 13:22
Although Hezbollah is courageously fighting and resisting Israeli aggression...as well they should
I think it'd be wise to remember that Hezbollah is fundamentalist religious organization that opposes and oppresses any working class revolution now or in the future
Among their many goals is to establish an Islamic republic based on the ideology of the Ayatollah Khomeini
And...as many of u know, when Iran was a Islamic republic, the Ayatollah forced upon all citizens a strict Islamic code for all ppl, those who opposed it were often punished or killed
If that were to occur in Lebanon, under Hezbollah (which is rather remote), the working class would be doomed to a life of wage slaves
Such a goal would oppress and destroy a secular proletarian revolution
As one of our comrades said earlier in the thread, if Hezbollah wasn't preoccupied with Israel, and if a socialist movement were brewing in Lebanon, Hezbollah would be fighting the socialist/communists

Hezbollah's political platform:

The following excerpt is taken from the group's political platform, first published in 1985: "The solution to Lebanon's problems is the establishment of an Islamic republic as only this type of regime can secure justice and equality for all of Lebanon's citizens." The Hizballah organization views as an important goal the fight against 'western imperialism' and its eradication from Lebanon.
Right :rolleyes:

Therefore IMO, we should not praise or support Hezbollah, like comrade Severian mentioned
However, we must recognize that they have a right to resist and in addition, we must condemn both sides for their continuous target of unarmed innocent civilians in both Israel, but especially in Lebanon

blake 3:17
29th July 2006, 14:14
From the LCP website: (http://www.lcparty.org/250706_6.html)
ُEuropean and Greek communist solidarity with Lebanon

25-07-2006


In response to the Lebanese Communist Party's appeal to the progressive and leftist parties in the world, a parliamentary delegate group from the European United Left (8 parliament members from different European countries) visits the Head Quarters of the LCP today (Tuesday 25-07-2006) and holds a meeting at 8:00 P.M. with its leadership in the HQ in Watwet, Beirut.


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In solidarity with the Lebanese people, and in objection to the Israeli aggression, and as a response to the invitation that the Lebanese Communist Party directed towards her to be in solidarity with Lebanon, the Secretary General of the KKE, Alika Paparega visits Lebanon tomorrow (Wednesday 26-07-2006), heading a delegation from the party.

Cheung Mo
30th July 2006, 04:17
Real socialists are enemies of both Zionists and Islamists. Fuck the L"C"P.

red team
30th July 2006, 07:56
The LCP is an example of political defeat.

Nothing Human Is Alien
30th July 2006, 08:08
The FPM has pointed out that "Only international struggle can turn back Israeli aggression.."

"...The interests of all oppressed people (including the workers and other oppressed people which make up the majority of the U.S. and Israeli populations) are the same, and are directly counterposed to the interests of the capitalist elites.

"The continued actions of Israel and the U.S. in the Middle East threaten to drive thousands, or even millions, of our oppressed brothers and sisters in the region into the hands of religious fundamentalists. Despite all their talk of opposing the status quo, these reactionaries either fight in the interests of capitalists (with or without knowing it) or seek to set themselves up as new capitalist rulers.

"A Jewish Israeli worker has much more in common with a Muslim Palestinian or Lebanese worker than with a Jewish Israeli capitalist, despite the nationalist rhetoric of the capitalist and his media and the religious fundamentalists. A united Arab-Israeli struggle against Israeli aggression is possible – which, despite the flood of pro-war propaganda in the Israeli media, was illustrated by a recent march in the Israeli city of Tel Aviv by thousands of people demanding an end to the attacks on Lebanon – and can be victorious!

"Manal Amuri, from Jerusalem, who was one of the people that attended the march in Tel Aviv understands this perfectly. “What Israel is doing now has resulted in the deaths of civilians, innocent children, and it serves no purpose except for the government’s vindictiveness. I think it’s good we’re showing that there are Arab and Jewish citizens in Israel who oppose the war,” he told the Israeli website Ynet. Hundreds of others at the march, who chanted “Jews and Arabs, Refuse to be Enemies!”, equally understood the need for a united struggle.

"The oppressed of the world, from Washington to Bogota, from Kampala to Jakarta, must unite with their brothers and sister in Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Iraq, Iran and Israel to stop the actions of the Israeli government, by any means necessary!

"As a part of the same fight – and as a necessary precursor to any hopes of peace in the Middle East – we must also fight in the same manor for a complete and final end the U.S. occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, and of U.S. aggression against Syria and Iran. Down with imperialism! U.S. out of Afghanistan and Iraq; hands off Iran, Syria, North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba!

"The struggle of the oppressed against imperialism in individual instances can – and if fully carried out, will – bring us into open conflict with the capitalist system itself. Because, to bring an end to the capitalist system of war, oppression and misery once and for all, we must unite in the fight for socialist revolutions across the globe. For an end to all wars, international socialist revolution!

http://freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?154

Morag
30th July 2006, 11:36
I have no support for Hizbollah, critically or uncritically. Supporting Hizbollah makes Hizbollah stronger in the long run, which makes fundamentalism stronger. Even if Hizbollah somehow manages to destroy the Israeli state, it doesn't help my cause, communism, at all, because any gain by fundamentalist Islamists is a loss to those who want international socialism, equality, and freedom. Imperialism is a hard enough enemy; I don't want to finally overcome it just to have to fight a strengthened fundamentalist movement.

My support goes to the workers of all areas in the current conflict who are able to look past the rhetoric and hatred of all sides and still see brothers and sisters across the border. These people, the ones who know that the imperialist, the zionist, and the Islamist are all the same, are my allies and the only people in the conflict who get my support. If the workers can unite along class lines, then both imperialism and fundamentalism can be defeated at the same time.

Revolution67
30th July 2006, 11:59
It is rather unfortunate to see that pseudo-communist party like Lebanese Communist Party coming out in praise of Hezbollah. It looks like commies are never going to understand the danger that reactionary religious groups like Hezbollah pose to the international socialist movement. In fact I am surprised at their dumb assertion that supporting Hezbollah is actually supporting the fight against imperialism. Has Hezbollah ever said anything about in favor of workers/women and other minorities? They just want to gain hold of Lebanon and convert it into an Islamo-fascist state. Hezbollah is just a Jihadi outfit that does not deserve our support. We should rather pray for their destruction as a political force. As a leftist, I am in full support of Lebanese citizens who are looking forward to a progressive, socialist and a secular society and putting up brave resistance against the IDF. I hope this war results in Israel's defeat and elimination of Hezbollah.

Hezbollah doesnt care about the welfare of its own citizens. They just want to keep stoking the hatred against Jews, just like Zionists want to keep stoking the anti-Arab flame. I would say, Hezbollah is as much responsible for this war as as Israel is. Hezbollah is just making things easier for Israel to attack and kill its innocent civilians. It is not that Hezbollah did not know, the repercussions of the act of taking captive, three Israeli soldeirs. They knew it beforehand how Israel would respond and the destruction it would bring. But, Hezbollah only cares for its name and power . They do not care a squat about those hundreds of innocent Lebanese citizens who have died in the war.

DOWN WITH ISRAEL! DOWN WITH HIZBOLLAH!

Raisa
30th July 2006, 12:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 12:01 PM
The Lebanese Communist Party hails the heroic resistance fighters and calls for opposing the entry of NATO forces

23 July 2006

The Political Bureau of the Lebanese Communist Party reviewed the dangerous repercussions of the Zionist aggression against Lebanon and its people that has continued for 12 days and noted the following:

First: The Political Bureau hails the noble resistance heroes in the ranks of the patriotic and Islamic resistance who are writing with their blood the most splendid pages in the history of our people and our Arab Nation. It sees in their heroism the rays of a new dawn of freedom for all the peoples of the region suffering under the yoke of the United States and Israel at a time when the Arab regimes have abandoned their places to link themselves entirely with America's plans.

Second: The plans for a solution proposed by the George Bush administration, in particular the "New Middle East," and the drive to introduce NATO troops into our south are plans aimed, not only at protecting the borders of Israel and liquidating our people's resistance and ability to reject the surrender settlements that it aims to impose on our region, but opens the way before the Zionists to wipe out the Palestine issue displacing its people once again and pushing he Arabs into a maelstrom of partition and endless conflicts.

Condoleezza Rice's trip to the region is only for the purpose of marketing this plan, which we reject in whole and in part. We demand that the Lebanese government take a resolute stand rejecting the entry into our south of forces from the western alliances – forces with which we had bitter experiences during the Israeli aggression of 1982 and the events that followed it. We also demand that the government call for a comprehensive national meeting to lay out plans for putting an end to the aggression and for dealing with the internal problems in a way that preserves Lebanon and its people, not one based on the interests of the aggressors.

Third: It will not be possible to confront the new stage in the Zionist-American plan in an effective and comprehensive way if we fail to pay adequate attention to those who have been displaced by the aggressive war and thrown once again on the roads of exile. It is the duty of the state, as represented by the Supreme Relief Council and all the service ministries to guarantee appropriate dwellings for those now sleeping on the sidewalks, in addition to insuring that food, medicine, and medical care be provided them and all those who still live in the areas exposed to daily bombardment by the Zionist forces.

Fourth: The Political Bureau of the Lebanese Communist Party calls on all leftist, progressive, and democratic forces in the world to broaden the scope of their solidarity activity with Lebanon, not only by organizing demonstrations and protests in front of the embassies of the United States and Israel in their countries, but by sending delegations and committees to Lebanon to investigate the facts and to see up close the crimes that Israel is committing against the Lebanese people, beginning with its massacres of peaceful residential districts and up to its use of internationally prohibited weapons (including poison gas; phosphorous bombs; cluster, fragmentation, and vacuum bombs; as well as depleted uranium).

The Politbureau also calls on the Arab peoples to press their governments to take real action in support of Lebanon, and calls on the peoples of Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco to close the embassies of Israel in their countries.

Eternal glory to the resistance fighters and the heroic martyrs!

Lebanon will triumph over the aggressors!

Beirut, 23 July 2006.

The Political Bureau of the Lebanese Communist Party.




Perhaps the comrades viciously pleasuring themselves at the thought of being "pure" and not supporting the "Islamists" should take a good, long read.

This is solidarity, not your self-congratulatory ultra-leftism.
Hell yeah, and Assalamu Leikum my brotha!
:ph34r:

YouKnowTheyMurderedX be on that real shit

RedKnight
31st July 2006, 00:05
I wish that Lubnaan(lebanon) had a worker- Communist party, like they have in Iran and Iraq. Worker- Communists oppose both western imperialism as well as islamo-fascism. Oh, and Raisa, Hezbollah is shit, for real. :P

YKTMX
31st July 2006, 03:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 09:06 PM
I wish that Lubnaan(lebanon) had a worker- Communist party, like they have in Iran and Iraq. Worker- Communists oppose both western imperialism as well as islamo-fascism.
So does Israel.

Heroic fighters or some woman moaning in London?

Severian
31st July 2006, 05:19
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 03:00 AM
It looks like commies are never going to understand the danger that reactionary religious groups like Hezbollah pose to the international socialist movement.
This statement is amazing in its ignorant arrogance, even for this board. You think anyone in the Middle East is unaware that "Islamic fundamentalists" are enemies of communism? You think they don't know all about it from their own experience? YTMX might be unclear about this, but not anyone on the ground there.

If anything, the tendency runs in the opposite direction: the temptation, for far-left groups in the Middle East, is to back imperialism as seeming a lesser evil than the Islamists, Ba'athists, and other repressive regimes set up by the national bourgeoisie. The Iraqi Communist Party is not the only one that's done so.

But the biggest favor anyone could do for Islamic fundamentalism in Lebanon - is to let them be the only ones resisting the imperialist attack on that nation.....

More Fire for the People
31st July 2006, 05:22
Originally posted by YKTMX+Jul 30 2006, 06:01 PM--> (YKTMX @ Jul 30 2006, 06:01 PM)
[email protected] 30 2006, 09:06 PM
I wish that Lubnaan(lebanon) had a worker- Communist party, like they have in Iran and Iraq. Worker- Communists oppose both western imperialism as well as islamo-fascism.
So does Israel.

Heroic fighters or some woman moaning in London? [/b]
Don't you have some workers to blow up while sacrificing yourself to Allah?

OneBrickOneVoice
31st July 2006, 06:18
just a question out of curiousity, what branch of communism is the LCP?

Severian
31st July 2006, 07:13
Is the official, formerly Moscow-sponsored Communist Party. Which means its probably the largest party claiming to be communist in Lebanon.

x_ihag
31st July 2006, 11:25
just a question out of curiousity, what branch of communism is the LCP?

Well even though i'm a lebanese communiste i dont support the LCP at all

RedKnight
1st August 2006, 07:57
Originally posted by Severian+Jul 31 2006, 02:20 AM--> (Severian @ Jul 31 2006, 02:20 AM)
[email protected] 30 2006, 03:00 AM
It looks like commies are never going to understand the danger that reactionary religious groups like Hezbollah pose to the international socialist movement.
This statement is amazing in its ignorant arrogance, even for this board. You think anyone in the Middle East is unaware that "Islamic fundamentalists" are enemies of communism? You think they don't know all about it from their own experience? YTMX might be unclear about this, but not anyone on the ground there.

If anything, the tendency runs in the opposite direction: the temptation, for far-left groups in the Middle East, is to back imperialism as seeming a lesser evil than the Islamists, Ba'athists, and other repressive regimes set up by the national bourgeoisie. The Iraqi Communist Party is not the only one that's done so.

But the biggest favor anyone could do for Islamic fundamentalism in Lebanon - is to let them be the only ones resisting the imperialist attack on that nation..... [/b]
Actually, I would have to say that the best thing would be to let groups like hezbollah be the only ones fighting Israel. THen there will less of them for us to have to kill, and more comrades left to kill them, since they wouldn't be destroyed in battles with the I.D.F.

YKTMX
1st August 2006, 10:01
You think they don't know all about it from their own experience? YTMX might be unclear about this, but not anyone on the ground there.

How so?

I haven't offered any opinion beyond critical support for Hezbollah and the wider resistance. The politics of Hezbollah hardly matter to me. As long as they serve our objective class interests (national liberation, anti-imperialism) then I support them. In any actions that are overtly anti-working class or reactionary, I don't support them. This isn't confused at all, in fact it seems rather clear to me.

The only confusion here lies in those who think they can support liberation without supporting Hezbollah or those who think that the Zionists can be "debated" out of Lebanon.

Furthermore, this is the position of the Lebanese working class and its political and social organisations almost unanimously.

Severian
1st August 2006, 12:11
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 01:02 AM
I haven't offered any opinion beyond critical support for Hezbollah and the wider resistance. The politics of Hezbollah hardly matter to me. As long as they serve our objective class interests (national liberation, anti-imperialism) then I support them. In any actions that are overtly anti-working class or reactionary, I don't support them. This isn't confused at all, in fact it seems rather clear to me.
Really? How do you, practically, support some actions but not others?

If you were actually to give them any material aid, you couldn't control how it was used.

And if you give them political support, lend them some of your credibility (if you have any)....that also is used how they choose, not how you choose.

This is all pretty much ABC of Marxist politics, but I guess I do have to go over the ABC in explaining stuff to the poster who once asked, "What's wrong with Popular Frontism?"


The only confusion here lies in those who think they can support liberation without supporting Hezbollah or those who think that the Zionists can be "debated" out of Lebanon.

Furthermore, this is the position of the Lebanese working class and its political and social organisations almost unanimously.

Evidence for this statement? Neither of the statements given here says anything about supporting Hezbollah. They call for international support to Lebanon and the Lebanese people. None of 'em says that because Hezbollah is anti-imperialist, therefore it can't be reactionary, as you once put it. None of 'em say that some Islamists are not that bad, as you've argued.

The Lebanese CP is organizing its own armed resistance group. The RCG calls for "surpassing of the current confessional face of the resistance, towards the retrieval of its general national face, and which is accomplished through the entrance of the broadest scope of national and progressive forces once again into the resistance, in an atmosphere of deep collaboration and agreement with the Islamic resistance."

Cooperating with Hezbollah, while trying to surpass it - is not the same thing as supporting it.

That's the difference between a united front, and Popular Frontism.

YKTMX
1st August 2006, 20:45
Really? How do you, practically, support some actions but not others?


Quite simply: when they do something you support, you support them, when they do something you don't support, you criticise them.

To use an example: you support the NLF in so far as they fight off the invaders and defend villagers from murder and rape. You criticise them severely when they put Trotskyists up against the wall.

It's really not that complicated, despite your sophistry.


If you were actually to give them any material aid, you couldn't control how it was used.

Once again, material aid would not come with "conditions" - just like solidarity.


And if you give them political support, lend them some of your credibility (if you have any)....that also is used how they choose, not how you choose.


Yes, that is true.


Evidence for this statement?

There is overwhelming support for Hezbollah in Lebanon. According to a poll by the Beirut Center for Research and Information, 87 percent of Lebanese support Hezbollah's fight with Israel. The level of support for Hezbollah is high among non-Shiite communities. Eighty percent of Christians, 80 percent of Druze and 89 percent of Sunnis polled support Hezbollah.

click (http://www.counterpunch.org/cohn07312006.html)

Unless you're suggesting that the 13% who don't support Hezbollah is the working class, then it seems pretty clear that most Lebanese workers and nationalists support the Islamic resistance. Precisely because they are the ones defending the country.


None of 'em say that some Islamists are not that bad, as you've argued.

When did I say that?


Cooperating with Hezbollah, while trying to surpass it - is not the same thing as supporting it.

The Political Bureau hails the noble resistance heroes in the ranks of the patriotic and Islamic resistance who are writing with their blood the most splendid pages in the history of our people and our Arab Nation. It sees in their heroism the rays of a new dawn of freedom for all the peoples of the region suffering under the yoke of the United States and Israel

:lol:

What they would say about them if they did "support" them, one can only imagine.

Ridiculous.

A Suvorov
2nd August 2006, 04:19
Without knowing the on-the-ground dynamics of Lebanese politics, I would think that the LCP could praise the Hezbollah for their resistance but not support them materially or ideologically. It would be as simple as recognizing the sacrifice the Hezbollah are making on behalf of Lebanon (at least we hope that's their agenda), and nothing more.

If the Lebanese Army isn't going to take the field (for whatever reason), and the LCP can't or won't field an armed resistance to the Israelis, naturally all attention will be focussed on Hezbollah- for good or bad, that's the face of Lebanese resistance right now.

I would think that instead of trying to 'ally' with the Hezbollah (as it seems the tone of the statement was) the LCP should focus on the end-game at this point. When all is said and done, what will be the practical strength of Hezbollah as compared to any- or all- other group(s) in the country when the shooting stops? Furthermore, what will be the LCP's role in the aftermath? Since Hezbollah is going to take a big hit both in battle as well as politically (once the US gets involved ONCE AGAIN in nation-building), it would seem the LCP's course would be to, in effect, 'take over' some of the functions previously tended to by Hezbollah. Patrol a few neighborhoods- collect some garbage here and there- help with rebuilding families and such- and show the masses an alternative to Hezbollah. It's there for the taking, even now.

By all of this I am neither praising the LCP or deriding Hezbollah- I don't know enough about either to judge, nor would I want to do so. I speak merely from an objective viewpoint as one who tries to see beyond the headlines and somehow divine the best course of action.