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Vicious_Vegan
27th July 2006, 08:24
http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archi...tion_i.php#more (http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2006/07/contraception_i.php#more)
http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archi...h_control_i.php (http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2006/05/birth_control_i.php)
I could link to a bunch of these articles, but the news is that contraception is wrong because it leads to more sex.

I'm having fun reading these...

theraven
27th July 2006, 08:33
oh yea..because no one had sex before hand...

it does however increase extra-marital sex in some cases.

Jazzratt
27th July 2006, 14:36
Contaception increases sexual freedom. End of story. Some forms of contraception (like condoms) also protect against STDs that could be deadly. Anyone backward enough to talk about how "selfish" this is or how "severing the link between human intimacy and the creation of new life" is somehow a bad thing; as if all intimacy is lost if people aren't producign a child (clearly bollocks.). I do not support any of this great leap backwards.

The Sloth
27th July 2006, 17:24
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 05:34 AM
it does however increase extra-marital sex in some cases.
the more extra-marital sex, the better.

theraven
27th July 2006, 17:28
Originally posted by Brooklyn-Mecca+Jul 27 2006, 02:25 PM--> (Brooklyn-Mecca @ Jul 27 2006, 02:25 PM)
[email protected] 27 2006, 05:34 AM
it does however increase extra-marital sex in some cases.
the more extra-marital sex, the better. [/b]
not really. illegaitme children have a host more problems then children of marraiges.

rioters bloc
27th July 2006, 17:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 12:29 AM
not really. illegaitme children have a host more problems then children of marraiges.
but is that due to the nature of their parents relationship or because of society&#39;s discrimination against children born out of wedlock, and the laws and policies which reflect that? <_<

theraven
27th July 2006, 17:50
Originally posted by rioters bloc+Jul 27 2006, 02:35 PM--> (rioters bloc @ Jul 27 2006, 02:35 PM)
[email protected] 28 2006, 12:29 AM
not really. illegaitme children have a host more problems then children of marraiges.
but is that due to the nature of their parents relationship or because of society&#39;s discrimination against children born out of wedlock, and the laws and policies which reflect that? <_< [/b]
its due to the lack parental invovlemtn from one or the other,

Morag
27th July 2006, 18:07
Originally posted by theraven+Jul 27 2006, 02:51 PM--> (theraven &#064; Jul 27 2006, 02:51 PM)
Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 27 2006, 02:35 PM

[email protected] 28 2006, 12:29 AM
not really. illegaitme children have a host more problems then children of marraiges.
but is that due to the nature of their parents relationship or because of society&#39;s discrimination against children born out of wedlock, and the laws and policies which reflect that? <_<
its due to the lack parental invovlemtn from one or the other, [/b]
Yeah? How&#39;d you get so smart on the topic of the psychological development of single-parented kids? ;)

Seriously, any proof that illegitimate children are less alienated, happy, ect., then all us legitimate kids is old data that shows the result not of being illegitimate but of being born illegitimate in a hostile society.

Edited to say: Even if parents are married doesn&#39;t mean that they have the economic opportunity to constantly live together. My father was constantly away for work. If lucky, we see him every two weeks. It isn&#39;t that uncommon, either. Nor does marriage promise that children will have all the affection and attention of both parents- many people are distant to their children, even if they live with them.

Eleutherios
27th July 2006, 18:17
Oh no&#33; Men are wasting away their precious sperm in pleasurable activities&#33; We must stop it so they dispose of it only in sex for babies and wet dreams.

Enragé
27th July 2006, 18:35
every sperm is sacred

every sperm is great

if a sperm is wasted

god gets quite irate

theraven
27th July 2006, 19:05
Originally posted by Morag+Jul 27 2006, 03:08 PM--> (Morag @ Jul 27 2006, 03:08 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 27 2006, 02:35 PM

[email protected] 28 2006, 12:29 AM
not really. illegaitme children have a host more problems then children of marraiges.
but is that due to the nature of their parents relationship or because of society&#39;s discrimination against children born out of wedlock, and the laws and policies which reflect that? <_<
its due to the lack parental invovlemtn from one or the other,
Yeah? How&#39;d you get so smart on the topic of the psychological development of single-parented kids? ;)

Seriously, any proof that illegitimate children are less alienated, happy, ect., then all us legitimate kids is old data that shows the result not of being illegitimate but of being born illegitimate in a hostile society.

Edited to say: Even if parents are married doesn&#39;t mean that they have the economic opportunity to constantly live together. My father was constantly away for work. If lucky, we see him every two weeks. It isn&#39;t that uncommon, either. Nor does marriage promise that children will have all the affection and attention of both parents- many people are distant to their children, even if they live with them. [/b]
no it doesnt&#39; promise thme those tihngs but

1)parents who are marired are much mroe likely to live together

2) parents who are married are usualy more stable then those whoa re not

3) parents wo are marired generaly combine thier incomres more

also:

the "capitlsit sysetm" has no problem with illegiatme children. infact presnet polices almost encouhgre women to have illegit kids

Capitalist Lawyer
27th July 2006, 19:07
If jerking off is murder then I have probably killed about a trillion of my own potential offspring. If having sex for the sake of sex and not contraception, then I have probably killed abouta million of my own potential offspring.

And btw, not all sperm get to be the winner in the fertilization process, so even if you conceive, you&#39;re still wasting potential life and are thus a murderer.

elmo sez
27th July 2006, 19:09
What the hell is wrong with these people i mean seriously where do they get this stuff from . Has anyone done a study on them ??

Jazzratt
27th July 2006, 19:23
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 03:36 PM
every sperm is sacred

every sperm is great

if a sperm is wasted

god gets quite irate
This.
Post.
Wins.

RevSouth
28th July 2006, 02:31
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 11:06 AM
no it doesnt&#39; promise thme those tihngs but

1)parents who are marired are much mroe likely to live together

2) parents who are married are usualy more stable then those whoa re not

3) parents wo are marired generaly combine thier incomres more

also:

the "capitlsit sysetm" has no problem with illegiatme children. infact presnet polices almost encouhgre women to have illegit kids
Why does it matter if the parents live together? As someone mentioned, some people live with both their parents but rarely see them. And can we get some figures on the &#39;stability&#39; of single parents?

As for children in single parent homes and homes where they don&#39;t see the parent often, the blame can be shoved onto.... you guessed it.... Capitalism&#33; Why don&#39;t they get to see their children? They have to earn money. Wage slavery. Without this money they can&#39;t afford a decent lifestyle, but they don&#39;y have a decent lifestyle when they have to work constantly. This would not be near as much as a problem under leftism for there is: Free child care. Less work. More free time. Provided housing, food, etc. The community helps out, none of this capitalism isolation nonsense.

theraven
28th July 2006, 04:28
Originally posted by RedSouth+Jul 27 2006, 11:32 PM--> (RedSouth @ Jul 27 2006, 11:32 PM)
[email protected] 27 2006, 11:06 AM
no it doesnt&#39; promise thme those tihngs but

1)parents who are marired are much mroe likely to live together

2) parents who are married are usualy more stable then those whoa re not

3) parents wo are marired generaly combine thier incomres more

also:

the "capitlsit sysetm" has no problem with illegiatme children. infact presnet polices almost encouhgre women to have illegit kids
Why does it matter if the parents live together? As someone mentioned, some people live with both their parents but rarely see them. And can we get some figures on the &#39;stability&#39; of single parents?

As for children in single parent homes and homes where they don&#39;t see the parent often, the blame can be shoved onto.... you guessed it.... Capitalism&#33; Why don&#39;t they get to see their children? They have to earn money. Wage slavery. Without this money they can&#39;t afford a decent lifestyle, but they don&#39;y have a decent lifestyle when they have to work constantly. This would not be near as much as a problem under leftism for there is: Free child care. Less work. More free time. Provided housing, food, etc. The community helps out, none of this capitalism isolation nonsense. [/b]
yes if people didn&#39;t have to work they would have more time to spend with thier kids. thats not how the world works though, because crops have to be raised and goods produced. till you figure out how to make that possible without human internevon then be my guest.

The Sloth
28th July 2006, 04:59
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 02:29 PM
not really. illegaitme children have a host more problems then children of marraiges.
that&#39;s assuming, of course, that children are even produced during the act. having sex is not necessarily an agreement to have a child, or to even want a child. it just so happens that sex is pleasant, and, in a reasonable society, consequences would either very rarely happen, not happen at all, or simply be taken care of.

and, sure, some illegitimate children have more problems than children of marriages.. that&#39;s because, in this society, illegitimate children are unplanned, and therefore will suffer through the economic problems associated with such "surprises."

eliminate people&#39;s religious inclinations, reduce the cost of condoms, birth control pills, and abortions, and most of these problems could never occur.

RevSouth
28th July 2006, 07:13
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 08:29 PM
yes if people didn&#39;t have to work they would have more time to spend with thier kids. thats not how the world works though, because crops have to be raised and goods produced. till you figure out how to make that possible without human internevon then be my guest.
First of all, I was pointing out how it would be under a form of anarchism or communism. In that respect, people have to work less, because they are no longer &#39;wage-slaves&#39;. There is less work for more people. All the non-vital bureaucratic jobs are cut out, as well as ones that aren&#39;t actually helping people, i.e., advertising, salesmen, etc.

king mob
29th July 2006, 07:17
Originally posted by theraven+Jul 28 2006, 01:29 AM--> (theraven @ Jul 28 2006, 01:29 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 11:32 PM

[email protected] 27 2006, 11:06 AM
no it doesnt&#39; promise thme those tihngs but

1)parents who are marired are much mroe likely to live together

2) parents who are married are usualy more stable then those whoa re not

3) parents wo are marired generaly combine thier incomres more

also:

the "capitlsit sysetm" has no problem with illegiatme children. infact presnet polices almost encouhgre women to have illegit kids
Why does it matter if the parents live together? As someone mentioned, some people live with both their parents but rarely see them. And can we get some figures on the &#39;stability&#39; of single parents?

As for children in single parent homes and homes where they don&#39;t see the parent often, the blame can be shoved onto.... you guessed it.... Capitalism&#33; Why don&#39;t they get to see their children? They have to earn money. Wage slavery. Without this money they can&#39;t afford a decent lifestyle, but they don&#39;y have a decent lifestyle when they have to work constantly. This would not be near as much as a problem under leftism for there is: Free child care. Less work. More free time. Provided housing, food, etc. The community helps out, none of this capitalism isolation nonsense.
yes if people didn&#39;t have to work they would have more time to spend with thier kids. thats not how the world works though, because crops have to be raised and goods produced. till you figure out how to make that possible without human internevon then be my guest. [/b]
I would highly recommend reading "The Abolition of Work" by Bob Black. While I myself am not a primitivist, I do find anti-civ theory quite fascinating. You can find a copy online through google, yahoo&#33;, or on infoshop.org I believe.

Peace and liberated monkeys&#33;