It's Pudding Time

[General Patton]

Some of you might look at my screen name and then see a one-year old baby eating cake and wonder, "what the hell is the connection." If there is one thing besides glory that General Patton was fighting for it was to protect the tranquility of the American establishment which safeguards the rights of mothers and fathers to live the American dream and watch their children grow up happy. There is really nothing more symbolic of the health of our nation than the happiness and innocence of our youth.

Besides, I thought it might provide a stark contrast to the head-beaten, massacred, and starving children that the left wingers here have a propensity for using in order to appeal to affect, while trying to make the statement that America is the world's greatest evil.

We must be clear here. Our system promotes the happiness of its people and allows our children to grow up in a relatively sheltered environment able to enjoy their childhood. While communist governments and Islamic theocracies are home to the brutalized children those same governments unconscionably use as propaganda against the west in order to detract from their own failures.

I am wondering what your thoughts might be about the ability of American kids to eat cake, while others go hungry around the world.

[ebeneezer]

I love your political statement. A nice happy baby in a communist country is something you ain't gonna see too often. Of course I'm sure these guys hate to see prosperity.


I am wondering what your thoughts might be about the ability of American kids to eat cake, while others go hungry around the world.
Like LSD said. They don't care about Americans. They want to take that food away and re-distribute it goes to those who havn't worked for it, ie: reward inefficient totalitarian hellholes who don't deserve the freedom they so vehemently spit upon - and whose babies starve as a consequence.

[Dean]

Ah, compelling response to strawmen.

I'd suggest you do a bit more research on the ideologies represented by people of these forums and return with more criticism that actually relates to the ideology.

[Jesus Christ!]

What communist countries are you talking about? The ones were kids can't be happy? Where are they?

[CrazyModerate]

Actually, I think that the economics of the Scandinavian nations is quite ideal. And, far from the awful messes of Stalinism, China, North Korea, Mugabe and countless other violent authoritarian movements/individuals/nations which deluded themselves into thinking they are humanitarian.

Anyways, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway have the some of the highest standards of living, the highest degree of equality, and the possibly the greatest degree of personal liberty and rights for all citizens, with some exceptions.

[General Patton]

What communist countries are you talking about? The ones were kids can't be happy? Where are they?

Democratic People's Republic of Korea
People's Republic of China
Lao Democratic People's Republic
Republic of Cuba
Socialist Republic of Vietnam

For Starters...

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 26 2006, 05:28 AM

What communist countries are you talking about? The ones were kids can't be happy? Where are they?

Democratic People's Republic of Korea
People's Republic of China
Lao Democratic People's Republic
Republic of Cuba
Socialist Republic of Vietnam

For Starters...
I'm waiting for them to say it...........

[YSR]

I'm waiting for them to say it...........

I'll indulge you:

They were "communist," dumbass.

[MrDoom]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 26 2006, 05:28 AM

What communist countries are you talking about? The ones were kids can't be happy? Where are they?

Democratic People's Republic of Korea
People's Republic of China
Lao Democratic People's Republic
Republic of Cuba
Socialist Republic of Vietnam

For Starters...
Communism by its own definition is a stateless, classless society. None of those come even close.

[B.E. Jones]

All of which are praticing members of Stalinist and/or Stalinist-like idealogies, the hardest thing for modern day communists is distancing ourselves from these broken interpretations of Marx. Please, stop throwing us in the same category as them.

Many of us are not just "Communists" (term is way to broad), you need to take into account Anarchists, Libertarian Communists, (this is iffy) Trots', and the many other off-shoots of the Marxist theory which actually can relate and agree with your disgust agaisnt the authoritorians in said countries.

P.S. My apologies for my bad use of grammar but I'm a tad bit off the ball.

[General Patton]

All of which are praticing members of Stalinist and/or Stalinist-like idealogies, the hardest thing for modern day communists is distancing ourselves from these broken interpretations of Marx. Please, stop throwing us in the same category as them.

That's funny. Most of you are advocating the same kind of dictatorship of the proletariate that those regimes still have in place. And you don't want to be lumped into the same category. If you don't like it, then don't subscribe and testify to Marxist-Leninist principles. It's easy enough. All one has to do is practice using their mind.


I love your political statement. A nice happy baby in a communist country is something you ain't gonna see too often. Of course I'm sure these guys hate to see prosperity.

Thanks, by the way. For some reason, I was cracking up when I read your reply. Was it meant to be funny? Because I am still laughing over it.

[MrDoom]

That's funny. Most of you are advocating the same kind of dictatorship of the proletariate that those regimes still have in place.

Yeah, the workers are really in control of Korth Korea, as opposed to the USA's capitalist dictatorship. :rolleyes:


And you don't want to be lumped into the same category. If you don't like it, then don't subscribe and testify to Marxist-Leninist principles. It's easy enough. All one has to do is practice using their mind.

You're acting as if Leninism is the dominant train of thought amongst the Left. It's not.

[YSR]

If you don't like it, then don't subscribe and testify to Marxist-Leninist principles. It's easy enough. All one has to do is practice using their mind.

I don't.

So fuck off.

[B.E. Jones]

Patton if you cared enough you would have asked my ideology rather than assume, it would be like me assuming your a fascist if since your on the right. Broad generalizations get us nowhere fast. I myself am a Anarcho-Communist (or Libertarian Communist). Not a Vanguard party adovacating Leninist. Thank you.

Dictatorship of the Proles is a manner of speech, what Marx meant was that the Working class (the majority) would establish itself as the rulling class (Previously the Bourgeosie) and then as Communist/Socialism is established eliminate classes and ergo destroying it's own class rule.

In all honesty I think it could be explained without the word "Dictatorship" being that it is usually taken litterally. I think it was a poor choice of words by Marx personally.

Plus, I think the personallity cult created around Leninism usually makes people assume communism is always like this.

Once again Apologies for my grammar hehe :wacko:

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 05:57 AM

That's funny. Most of you are advocating the same kind of dictatorship of the proletariate that those regimes still have in place.

Yeah, the workers are really in control of Korth Korea, as opposed to the USA's capitalist dictatorship. :rolleyes:


And you don't want to be lumped into the same category. If you don't like it, then don't subscribe and testify to Marxist-Leninist principles. It's easy enough. All one has to do is practice using their mind.

You're acting as if Leninism is the dominant train of thought amongst the Left. It's not.
The fact remains that you guys subscribe to big government socialism and justify it with the fantasy that one day big government will vanish once everything is equally distributed and the capitalists are dead - so we could say you support and encourage state socialism by default, because in reality you do don't you?

[MrDoom]

Originally posted by ebeneezer+Jul 26 2006, 06:10 AM--> (ebeneezer @ Jul 26 2006, 06:10 AM)
[email protected] 26 2006, 05:57 AM

That's funny. Most of you are advocating the same kind of dictatorship of the proletariate that those regimes still have in place.

Yeah, the workers are really in control of Korth Korea, as opposed to the USA's capitalist dictatorship. :rolleyes:


And you don't want to be lumped into the same category. If you don't like it, then don't subscribe and testify to Marxist-Leninist principles. It's easy enough. All one has to do is practice using their mind.

You're acting as if Leninism is the dominant train of thought amongst the Left. It's not.
The fact remains that you guys subscribe to big government socialism and justify it with the fantasy that one day big government will vanish once everything is equally distributed and the capitalists are dead[/b]
Once private property and class antagonisms are quashed, yes.

Once you look at the fact that the state exists to perpetuate inequality and class warfare, it's a simple matter, really.

[B.E. Jones]

Meh not exactly if you were to read RedStar2000's bloggings. Their pretty good if you ask me. He believes that as information becomes much more accesible with time (a great example is the internet) and as this information is easier to access it will allow for a more politically conscience working class, and thus it may also not require a Dictatorship of the proletariat.

This is rejected by many Communists on the board (I myself and torn, I'm not sure exactly were I stand on this), but I'm useing it mainly as a very brief example of many of the theories adopted by our members that conflict with the communist ideology Stereotype.

Grammar Grammar oh how I fail at thee

[red team]

Democratic People's Republic of Korea Vs. Chaebol dominated South Korea
People's Republic of China Vs. Warlord dominated China and the KMT
Lao Democratic People's Republic Vs. Monarchy of Laos
Republic of Cuba Vs. Batista's Cuba
Socialist Republic of Vietnam Vs. French IndoChina

- Chaebols are not democratic. They are huge conglomerates ruled from the top-down by the rich. Small producers let alone workers are ruined.
- Warlords and the KMT kill people who can't pay "protection" money. They are little more than gangsters who made it into government.
- Monarchy of Laos. Nothing else needs to be said.
- Batista's Cuba was an island casino and not much else. The house wins. Everybody else loses
- French IndoChina. Nothing else needs to be said.

And yes, Communism is world-wide and stateless.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Democratic People's Republic of Korea
People's Republic of China
Lao Democratic People's Republic
Republic of Cuba
Socialist Republic of Vietnam



Oops, communism has never been achieved! You lose. How many times?

-Alex

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by B.E. [email protected] 26 2006, 05:42 AM
All of which are praticing members of Stalinist and/or Stalinist-like idealogies, the hardest thing for modern day communists is distancing ourselves from these broken interpretations of Marx. Please, stop throwing us in the same category as them.

Many of us are not just "Communists" (term is way to broad), you need to take into account Anarchists, Libertarian Communists, (this is iffy) Trots', and the many other off-shoots of the Marxist theory which actually can relate and agree with your disgust agaisnt the authoritorians in said countries.

P.S. My apologies for my bad use of grammar but I'm a tad bit off the ball.
Read that post again.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 04:32 AM
I love your political statement. A nice happy baby in a communist country is something you ain't gonna see too often.
It's not something you're going to see ever. Because a communist country is a paradox, like a square circle. If one came into being, reality would fold in on itself rendering the baby's existence mute.

[General Patton]

I was hoping that some of the communists that use the head-beaten, massacred, and starving children for avatars might chime in on this. Perhaps I have taught them to realize how ridiculous they are and they are busy changing the avatars as we speak.

[B.E. Jones]

Ohhhh!

You found me out! You sly dog you!