Spain and ETA - ....!

[Fiskebat]

I must confess i havent really done my studies on spain and the people of the basque(or how u spell it).

Just wanted to hear your opinions on this very intresting conflict. Many of the people say they dont like ETAs methods but still wanta free state. Should the spanish state back off and give ´em one??

Peace ya´all

[Guardia Bolivariano]

ETA was formed as a weapon agaisnt Franco's opresion.
The basques were always very proud of their history and hada strong feeling of nationalism.But during the Franco years that feeling exploded.

Right now ETA's militants and suporters are getting morwe violent since the spanish goverment is making their political parties Ilegal.

When you study the basque strugle always remember that all ETA menber are basque nationalist but not all basque nationalists suport the ETA.

[Sandanista]

you shouldnt really support any nationalist struggle unless, like irish republican you a leftist nationalism, you are unashamedly nationalist.

btw irish - tiochfaidh ar la

[redstarshining]

Batasuna is certainly leftist. And can anyone really blame the Basque people for fighting for their right to live in peace? Not much has changed since the Franco dictatorship. The oppressive brutality of the spanish state, the way they deal with political opponents, it's all still there.

However, I agree with you that ( under 'normal' circumstances ) nationalism is always dangerous.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Sandanista on 12:47 am on June 4, 2003
you shouldnt really support any nationalist struggle unless, like irish republican you a leftist nationalism, you are unashamedly nationalist.

btw irish - tiochfaidh ar la


I think considering that the IRA and other paramililitary organisations have managed to alienate the entire British people nearly and gained international hatred and fear that the N Ireland problem will fade out from lack of support especially as the peace process is going well and the IRA are disarming and in a cease fire, that your day has been and gone Sandanista.

As for eta, I have very little knowlage of there situation or morals, so I cannot comment.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from AK47 on 5:46 pm on June 4, 2003

Quote: from Sandanista on 12:47 am on June 4, 2003
you shouldnt really support any nationalist struggle unless, like irish republican you a leftist nationalism, you are unashamedly nationalist.

btw irish - tiochfaidh ar la


I think considering that the IRA and other paramililitary organisations have managed to alienate the entire British people nearly and gained international hatred and fear that the N Ireland problem will fade out from lack of support especially as the peace process is going well and the IRA are disarming and in a cease fire, that your day has been and gone Sandanista.

As for eta, I have very little knowlage of there situation or morals, so I cannot comment.

The IRA has gained international fear and hatred? Not in this country my friend. If you said that anywhere in Boston, Massachusetts, U$, they'd laugh at you....or worse.

There is still a fair ammount of money that funnels out of here to the IRA.

[scott thesocialist]

i don't reall know to much but what i do believe is that if people are oppressed by the state they they should be supported. like i said i don't know to much but they must have a cause to fight for they have many supporters and a political angle.

[Fiskebat]

I agree with redstarshining. If all the basques want a own land(and it seems pretty much like that is the case) then wouldnt it be right for them to have a own land were they didnt get oppressed??

[Conghaileach]

The Basques and Catalans were the biggest supporters of the Spanish republic, and they suffered the worst during the civil war - Guernica, for instance, being an emotive example.

After the end of the Spanish civil war (officially it ended in 1939, but the Republicans waged a guerrilla campaign until about 1948 or '49) ETA was formed from a lot of veterans. It was the biggest thorn in Franco's side and was left-wing. It still is today.

I support their cause, but not some of their tactics. Since tourism is Spain's biggest industry, they've went after that. It's led to a lot of innocent people dying.

For whatever reason, there's a certain desparation within many of these guerrilla armies (ETA, IRA, FARC-EP, etc) that leads to many desparate acts.