Brain Cells Fused With Computer Chip

[red team]

Fused Brain Cells To Computer Chip (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060327_neuro_chips.html)

[encephalon]

And so the singularity begins :P

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Haven't we grown nerve cells on silicon chips before?

[Janus]

The achievement could one day enable the creation of sophisticated neural prostheses to treat neurological disorders or the development of organic computers that crunch numbers using living neurons.

There seems to be great potential in this.

[ZeroPain]

Would be spooky to have an organic computer...

[Sentinel]

Great to see progress is being made on this front. I always have this feeling of being born too early though.. Post-revolution, when this sort of technology will be available for all, I might be too damaged by age already to really benefit from it.


Would be spooky to have an organic computer...

That's how I see myself, actually. An organic computer just waiting to be perfected by cybernetics. As it is, I'll just have to widen my consciousness with drugs. But one day.. ;)

[Avtomatov]

Yes progress is being made too slow. We should take fifty or so years using ALL of our resources to try to defeat death. What is fifty or so years of poverty if we can acheive immortality. If we did this im sure we could acheive it in our lifetimes. We shouldnt be wasting anymore time, we are growing old as we speak.

[Janus]

Yes progress is being made too slow.
It only seems slow since we are so used to it but technological progress is actually very fast especially by the old standards.


We should take fifty or so years using ALL of our resources to try to defeat death. What is fifty or so years of poverty if we can acheive immortality.
:blink: Are you serious? How would immortality even be feasible? We should waste so much resources ona wild goose chase?

[Sentinel]

While immortality still seems out of reach, the lifespans of humans certainly have expanded enormously in the "first" and "second" worlds already. And there is a chance of further expansion visible in the near future, when stemcells can be used more efficiently to repair the brain, nerves etc.

Not to talk about the possibility of a new technology making the uploading of personalities and memories into computers an option, as well as adding new capacities into the brain surgically!

Trust me, generalissimo, I'm 100% certain the most brilliant minds imaginable are working on this as we speak. It's the task of the revolutionary proletariat to bring these advances to the use of all, though.

There is no need for any "fifty years of poverty", what the hell are you talking about? A revolution and some more research is what it takes.

[Janus]

Not to talk about the possibility of a new technology making the uploading of personalities and memories into computers an option, as well as adding new capacities into the brain surgically!
Oh, that kind of immortality may be feasible.

But as far as I'm concerned the "Fountain of Youth" is still a myth. The human body is quite frail and there's no way we could make it truly immortal.

[Avtomatov]

No we spend to much money on entertainment when i think if we spent it all on research we could probably increase our lifespans longer then the amount of time we spend in poverty because all of our money is going into research.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 09:10 PM
No we spend to much money on entertainment when i think if we spent it all on research we could probably increase our lifespans longer then the amount of time we spend in poverty because all of our money is going into research.
are you sugesting we all pile our money into research?

[Avtomatov]

yes all of it. We should be minimalistic until we acheive immortality, or close to it.

We would gain more then we lose.

[Janus]

True, but like Sentinel said, we have spent large amounts of money in better food and in providing a better quality life. All of these things have increased lifespans by a large amount.

Furthermore, technology like cryonics are continuing to grow. There is no need to put all of our time and effort on this one thing especially when there are so much more important issues out there.

[Avtomatov]

Yes but what if we arent able to un-vitrify cryonics patients by the time i die? I wont be sure that i will come back. I want cryonics to be perfected atleast.

What we need to perfect cryonics is a way to reverse or stop the toxic damage done by the cryopretectant. This might meen developing nanotechnology.

Not only that but i am growing older and my body is becoming irreversibly damaged, i dont have all the time in the world.

[Janus]

Nanotechnology would definitely be effective. Nanorobotics could be used to promote a very high level of healthfulness.

[Avtomatov]

And there is barely any research be done on this. Most of it is all in universities.

And george bush vetoed stem cell research.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 09:12 PM
yes all of it. We should be minimalistic until we acheive immortality, or close to it.
Are you talking on an individual basis here?

[Avtomatov]

No we should have heavy taxes on everyone to pay for it.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 09:23 PM
No we should have heavy taxes on everyone to pay for it.
Robbing people from the little money they have you mean?

[Avtomatov]

What are you a libertarian.

[Janus]

No we should have heavy taxes on everyone to pay for it.
What?

When there are more important issues to be tackled?

It would be mainly the rich who would benefit from this anyways. Why increase the lifespans of the capitalists?

[Lord Testicles]

I think that in a post-revolutionary society money would be irrelevant.

But in today’s society, in a pre-revolutionary capitalist society, I think that high taxes to be poured into research and nothing else is just plain stupid, what about healthcare or education?

Life for the working class would be more hellish, more boring and more mundane than it is today if we can't afford the creature comforts or little luxuries now and again. But for the ruling class it would hardly make a dent in their pockets.

[Sentinel]

And there is barely any research be done on this. Most of it is all in universities.

I'm certain that a: there is already as much research done on this that money can buy (it can't buy anything, you know), and b: not much can be done to speed up the research except continue as we do. Or, you know, make a revolution.

After one, money will not be the issue anymore. The creativity of human beings that have reached communism will be huge, and an explosion of progress is to be expected.

No fucking state collecting taxes will achieve it faster than the freed human mind. State-capitalism is still capitalism, which is currenly ceasing to be most effiicient the system possible. Communism bears the future within it.


And george bush vetoed stem cell research.

Yes, the right is realising that the development of mankind is moving beyond the limits of capitalism and making it superfluous. Scared to death, they try to stop the process.

How futile, they will be crushed by the proletariat when it claims it's right to power.

The power provided by technology.

[Avtomatov]

Im talking about giving the benefits of this research for free to people who belong to our utopian vision. People who are socialists, non-homophobic and non-sexist, and etc...

Those are the people we want to live forever. We cant acheive a state of utopia with capitalists and fascists and homophobes living. We will just let them live normal lifespans.

And I there would still be education going on. There are certain things we cant take money from for research.

[Sentinel]

We cant acheive a state of utopia with capitalists and fascists and homophobes living.

If by "utopia" you mean communism, that's exactly why we need the revolution, to either make those people change their minds or get eliminated. Once communism is achieved, people won't become like that anymore.

Reactionary sentiments are mostly either products of the current class society, or by an even older one but yet kept alive by it. In a classless society where people would get resources delivered to them according to need, why would anyone need to be selfish, greedy or afraid (phobic even) of other people?

Capitalism is also (partly unknowingly as it is self-destructive to a degree) working against homophobia for instance, with it's very nature: to exploit gay people economically it has made the gay subculture very visible in the media. But at the same time homosexuality inevitably gets more publicity and so acceptance. Which serves to unify the working class!

This is all going way too slow, though..

But anyway, my point is that a communist revolution would hasten up human progress enormously.


And I there would still be education going on. There are certain things we cant take money from for research.

You seriously don't realise I'm talking about abolishing money? That is the communist way to deal with things.

[Avtomatov]

Without money how the hell are we going to take taxes to finance research.

[Janus]

Research can be done by the people who are interested in the subject. There will be no more money in a communist society so it would be useless to put it up as an incentive.

[Avtomatov]

Yes but there wont be enough research that way. thats the problem. There is not enough people who will do it for free. And the people that will do not have enough resources to do much.

[Sentinel]

Yes but there wont be enough research that way. thats the problem. There is not enough people who will do it for free.

Imagine a society where people wouldn't have to worry either about survival or about getting nearly anything they could possibly want.

They would have all the time in the world to train their intelligence and creativity, to tackle problems in order to make life more enjoyable and even longer lasting.


And the people that will do not have enough resources to do much.

Again, in the communist society, things will be produced and resources, services etc. distributed according to people's needs. There would propably be a high popular support for scientific research, cybernetics and nanotechnology etc, btw.

People want those things, or at least definitely will want when they are properly seen in action. With joined effort, mankind would easily overcome most of the problems of today.

An automated technate using energy accounting instead of the price system seems like the most logical way to accomplish this in my opinion..

[Janus]

And the people that will do not have enough resources to do much.
Why not. Resources should be free access.

Having people who are solely in it for the fun is much better than just getting a lot of people. Look at the South Korean fiasco; you don't want to pressure people into things.

[Physco Bitch]

Fine i can think that this research could be good- if it gets used for the right reason. As has already been mentioned it is only going to widen the gulf between rich and poor. Yet more discrimination will start and it will be the poor kids without rich mommies or daddies that will end up the victims of a society ruled by high tech cyber robots. As for immortailty- why would you want to do that? What is so great about this life to stay around forever? I can understand in people who are scared shitless of death- but me personally i don't care for the idea of immortaility. The next subject could be put down as a paraniod dillisioun but your welcome to ur oppiniouns- just as much me to mine. What makes anyone think that the goverment will not try and twist this to their own justice- seen as they are suppoesdly already planning chips for your hands so they now who you are and where you are- then why shouldn't they do the same with this? But as for the medical side- if it is to help people who have serious problems then i have no objection- i also see it as a good step in science - it is great that they are trying to learn more about the human brain it is about time too.