Living For Free In London.

[Keyser]

Hi all.

Me and two other guys from RL (Noxion and Farleft) have got together and taken an empty pub in London and have now moved in.

We are spending this weekend clearing out the place, cleaning up all the crap that was there. It's a huge building with many rooms upstairs and ground floor, adjacent building (garage and pub garden) in it so it has the potential to expand into a great community of fellow squatters, revolutionaries and radicals. ;)

We are looking for fellow anti-capitalists (don't care if your a Marxist-Leninist, Anarcho-Communist, Autonomist Marxist, just as long as your not a reformist :P ).

We did not have to break into the place when we took it, the gate on the fence outside has this huge gap which you can crawl under and the main front window is wide open, no glass or board on it. It is in a safe condition and the pub has been closed and out of business for about 15 months now.

This is a key issue, for if you find a way in, and not break in, your case with the fucking law is that much stronger. :D

[C_Rasmussen]

Good to hear that you guys got a nice place without any hassle from the cops.

[RedAnarchist]

Nicely done. L;ets hope you can keep it, especially when the police and other local authorities are worried about their precious private property laws. :star:

[farleft]

Hey,

yeah thats right, it's a huge place, loads of room for more comrades to join us, we know that rent is so expensive so this little community of revolutionaries that we are setting up will really help everyone out alot.

So if you're interested in joining us get in contact with either Anarchism now, noxion or myself.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Cool, nice work. :) I'd consider it if I lived in the UK, truly I would.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yeah, it looks like a really nice place. I think we should take pictures showing how it was before and after. I really hope we manage to keep this place.

[Aurora]

man thatis so cool,i wish i lived in london

[FriedFrog]

I'm meant to be dropping in on ole London town in October, so I may come and visit you.

Never know, may be some time this summer, too. I'll contact you for the address if I plan on coming down at some point.

Keep me penciled in :P

[Keyser]

Will do Fried Frog. ;)

[Global_Justice]

i'll definatly come and check it out when i'm at uni in london.

whats the deal with your rights? can the council just come and ask you to leave at any monet and you have to go?

[Keyser]

Global Justice:

I don't have much time now, but I'll PM you tomorrow or make another post on the rights issue, but the local council are not the thing to worry about, they will do fuck all, it's not their issue but the landlords.

Anyways, what uni you going to and would you consider not going to this new flat, I mean think of the money you cud save and enjoy life, not having to earn so much and work as hard in some shite job.

I was in a good job (finance) and worked hard, but in the end I packed it all in, not worth it. You work and slave away for rent, which is your biggest monthly expense and not even the most fun expense (say like travel, skunk and nites out).

Uni is hard and stressful, if you pay rent you will have to get part time work and on top of your uni and studies, you won't have a life really, given all your hours will be you doing other peoples work and orders.

Unless your in some shitty contract already, fuck renting and live with us.

The place is near and east to get to cen. london, on the tube link etc...

I won't post our address in public yet, that could fuck things up. :ph34r:

[Keyser]

Global Justice:

Why did you re-edit your post to just 'shit'?

Something I said?

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by Anarchism [email protected] 22 2006, 06:47 PM
Global Justice:

Why did you re-edit your post to just 'shit'?

Something I said?
no :P

i meant to quote my post because i was going to post again. but i must have pressed EDIT rather than quote

i'd said "i'll come visit" or something like that. so i was gonna quote it and say "if thats alright of course.

but then i realised i'd edited it, so got rid of the stuff i wrote earlier and all my post said was "if thats alright of course" which obviously didn't make any sense. si i said shit, and went back and edited it again and now it's back to the original post! :P

and yes, i'm stupid :lol:

sorry for the mix up.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Anarchism [email protected] 22 2006, 06:26 PM
Will do Fried Frog. ;)
i hope you guys still have it around when i go to London next summer

[Global_Justice]

i'm going to roehampton, doing film studies. i would but it's my first year so i'm gonna be living on the uni campus and it's just something i want to experience.

it's only for the 1st year, then after that i'll have to find something off campus. so if your still living there and there is room in a years time then i'll move in. it would be quality to live somewhere with fellow leftists and for free. :D

about the post i above, i said 'shit' because i messed up the post and deleted what i'd written, nothing to do with you :P

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Wow I want to go to London now :)

It only costs like 40 dollars or something from where I live. Cool.



Yeah, it looks like a really nice place. I think we should take pictures showing how it was before and after.

Sounds like a good idea! It would be great to see it in visual.




I really hope we manage to keep this place.

Good luck :)


Mind if I stay over if I happen to visit London for a few days?

[Forward Union]

We're setting up a squat locally soon. Well, a social centre. We've may already have and printers, desks, beds ect. But if not we would like to have these sorted out before we move in, I take it you guys have done the opposite :P

But it'll be interesting to see how long you hold it for. I'll come visit next weekend maybe, and help out if you need it. But I have dedications elsewhere...

You guys been in touch with other social centres in london?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

We're setting up a squat locally soon. Well, a social centre. We've got computers and printers, desks, beds ect.

Sounds really good. I guess the stereotype of squatters living in squalid rundown conditions is just that, a baseless stereotype.

We do have a lot of work to do. We will eventually have a replace a rather large window because both it and the frame is missing, and doubtless we'll need new furniture as well.


But it'll be interesting to see how long we hold it for. I'll come visit yours next weekend maybe, and help out if you need it. But I have dedications elsewhere...

You're perfectly welcome to pop round when you have the time.


You guys been in touch with other social centres in london?

Unfortunately no, do you know what they can do to help?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 08:31 PM
Sounds really good. I guess the stereotype of squatters living in squalid rundown conditions is just that, a baseless stereotype.

We do have a lot of work to do. We will eventually have a replace a rather large window because both it and the frame is missing, and doubtless we'll need new furniture as well.

We seem caught up in over-planning at the moment, there are a few potential buildings. But basically we're going to store the furniture ect elsewhere until we take the building over. We will be running a cafe, daycare centre for kids and bicycle repair shop. We also don't want it to become some punk venue hangout, so we will avoid gigs.


Unfortunately no, do you know what they can do to help?

Advice mainly. I reccomend going to TheSquare (link in signature) don't bother e-mailing they're lazy as fuck. Just go ring the bell and ask for coffee, tell them your setting up a squat and ask if they can help out atall. They're all nice people, really.

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by Additives Free+Jul 22 2006, 08:41 PM--> (Additives Free @ Jul 22 2006, 08:41 PM)
[email protected] 22 2006, 08:31 PM
Sounds really good. I guess the stereotype of squatters living in squalid rundown conditions is just that, a baseless stereotype.

We do have a lot of work to do. We will eventually have a replace a rather large window because both it and the frame is missing, and doubtless we'll need new furniture as well.

We seem caught up in over-planning at the moment, there are a few potential buildings. But basically we're going to store the furniture ect elsewhere until we take the building over. We will be running a cafe, daycare centre for kids and bicycle repair shop. We also don't want it to become some punk venue hangout, so we will avoid gigs.


Unfortunately no, do you know what they can do to help?

Advice mainly. I reccomend going to TheSquare (link in signature) don't bother e-mailing they're lazy as fuck. Just go ring the bell and ask for coffee, tell them your setting up a squat and ask if they can help out atall. They're all nice people, really. [/b]
according to thesquare site the place has ceased to exist :(

[Comrade J]

This place sounds really cool, great idea.
I can get to London anytime in August if you need some help clearing the place up for a few weeks, but I have to go back to 6th Form in September.
And maybe I'll be at uni in 2007, if it's still going and you don't mind/there is room, it'd be an accommodation option.

[which doctor]

I would love to live there, but Noxion kinda scares me, witht the metal-toed boots, buzz cut and all. ;)

Anyways, I'm moving this to DIY.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

What are the squatting laws like in the UK?

[JKP]

It would be cool to see some photos of the place. Maybe just of the inside so no one could identify what building it is?

[Whitten]

Originally posted by Lennie [email protected] 22 2006, 11:28 PM
What are the squatting laws like in the UK?
Basicly so long as you dont break in (or they cant prove you broke in ;) ) then it isnt classed as a criminal offence and the police cant get involved. The owner will have to go through a long court process to get you evicted, and I hear there are many loopholes regarding this process

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Global_Justice+Jul 22 2006, 08:59 PM--> (Global_Justice @ Jul 22 2006, 08:59 PM) according to thesquare site the place has ceased to exist :( [/b]

TheSquare
The space has now been passed on to a handful of residents who wished to remain and a few people who wanted to continue to run the place as a political and cultural venue.
;)

[rioters bloc]

all the best guys :D

sounds hot!

[Keyser]

Hello,

well it's early days yet but here is two pics we have so far but there are more to come that will show you the size of the place, we think it sleep 15-20 comfortably, maybe 30 at a sqeeze though if people arn't sleeping and we just use the pub for free drinks then maybe 100 people can get in there for an event or drinks or whatever.

[Keyser]

Here is the other pic, more to come later.

PS: I'm sorta in the pic, my jeans n feet at the bottom right of the pic and Noxion asleep in the background :P

[Sadena Meti]

On the law subject, beware of converting it back into a functioning pub. They may not get your for squating, but it is so much easier to get you on licensing.

And on an artistic point, I'd put extra effort into the appearance of the main room. If the cops do come around, they'd be shocked to silence to see the brass gleaming, and their relfection in the polish of the wood. Make the place better than it ever was :)

Wish I was in the UK. Though I have no interest in squating there (love my appartment), I'd be round with a load of tools and cleaning supplies. I love DIY.

[Enragé]

im going to uni in London in about a year, if you're still there then I'll come take a look how you're doing :)

[Wanted Man]

That's really cool. I've no experience with squatting, but if I lived in London, I'd consider it. Hey NKOS, do you know whether Dekker is still planning to illegalise squatting here in Holland?

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 03:19 PM
That's really cool. I've no experience with squatting, but if I lived in London, I'd consider it. Hey NKOS, do you know whether Dekker is still planning to illegalise squatting here in Holland?
havent really heard anything about it, though i guess he still wants it.

In any case

kraken gaat door! ;)
(squatting goes on)

[Global_Justice]

looks good.

should dedicate the largest wall for political mural. :)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I got some more pictures of our new place!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00977.jpg

This is our front door. We just need to get a plane so it shuts properly.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00978.jpg

This what you see when you come through the front door. We've only been here for a couple of days so it's still a bit messy, but it'll look a lot better by the end of the week.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00979.jpg

Looking to the right, this what you see. That's the bar :)

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00980.jpg

This the the room where the bar is. We've now closed up the window since we've opened the front door.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00981.jpg

Still in the bar, looking towards the room which leads to the garden.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00982.jpg

The cellar, where they used to keep the booze. It's empty unfortunately :P

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00984.jpg

The stairs, which lead up to the landlord's quarters. They'll be clean before the end of the week.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00985.jpg

The top of the stairs, it smells a bit skanky up there but a little bit of incense should fix that :)

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00986.jpg

The landlord's kitchen, as opposed to the pub's kitchen. It's an awful mess :(

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/NoXion604/Squat/DSC00987.jpg

One of the bedrooms, which should be really cosy once we get it cleaned up.

There's more, but I fear this post has enough pictures of it already. It would be really nice if anyone who's interested in joining us would contact us ASAP. Wish us luck!

[Global_Justice]

that looks quite big actually.

so has it got three floors, upstairs, bar and cellar? is the cellar habitable? 3 floors, you'd get loads of people in there!

i sorta wish i could live there. but i want to live on the uni campus for a bit. if that is shit then i can always just move out after a couple on months in like november and join you guys. i'll see what happens :D

[which doctor]

Sounds like it's the first revleft squat!

Good job guys!

[farleft]

Ground floor and 1st floor plus an attic. There is loads of room though, we're doing a good job of cleaning and removing the crap. An earlier post estimates how many people can stay here.

You're welcome here anytime comrade.

[farleft]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 23 2006, 07:30 PM
Sounds like it's the first revleft squat!

Good job guys!
Yeah :)

If revleft had a flag we could hang it outside :)

[Forward Union]

Yea I've got your contact details, when I say your, I mean Farlefts, I have your mobile number. I'll text you when I get some more credit, and, urm, money in general. Busy this weekend but after that I will come down and say hi to you all. See if I can help with the process, although I've never squatted I've done plenty of building/clearing/decorating. And it'll be useful to be involved somewhat in a squatting project before we start our own one locally I guess, at least as far as your politics/practical ideas go.

Some links you may want to check,

www.wombles.org.uk/scn
www.squatter.org.uk
www.londonarc.org

Solidarity, af

[loveme4whoiam]

Those pictures look great - that place has loads of potential, hope you guys enjoy doing it up and everything. I'm at Uni in Kent at the start of September and some mates are going in the city, so I'll be sure to drop in. If you ever need a helping hand with anything when I get up there, give us a shout, I'm a dab hand with the wood-working :P

[Keyser]

Forgot to mention.

When I was clearing the stairs, I came across an abandoned copy of Atlas Shrugged, written by Ayn Rand!

So come on over to our place, I have yet to chuck to the book out. Not only do you get free accomodation but free Ayn Rand literature too. :P :lol: :P

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 10:00 PM
Those pictures look great - that place has loads of potential, hope you guys enjoy doing it up and everything. I'm at Uni in Kent at the start of September and some mates are going in the city, so I'll be sure to drop in. If you ever need a helping hand with anything when I get up there, give us a shout, I'm a dab hand with the wood-working :P
Always welcome comrade, PM one of us when you are free so we can give you the details.

[Comrade J]

The pictures look great, looks like an awesome place :D
Can't wait to see it when it's all properly done, that could turn into a prettu good leftist squat palace.

But erm... don't you think you should edit or delete the picture of the outside of the pub, where you can see a bit of the sign? It could give clues to your location, anyone can read this board, militant fascists and such. I'm sure with someone in the know or a bit of research, they could figure out where you are?

[farleft]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 24 2006, 01:38 PM
The pictures look great, looks like an awesome place :D
Can't wait to see it when it's all properly done, that could turn into a prettu good leftist squat palace.

But erm... don't you think you should edit or delete the picture of the outside of the pub, where you can see a bit of the sign? It could give clues to your location, anyone can read this board, militant fascists and such. I'm sure with someone in the know or a bit of research, they could figure out where you are?
Paranoid.

I don't personally share your worries, my experience of online chatting, forums and the real world leave me to feel very comfortable about this.

[TC]

hey neat can i see it :-D?

[Amusing Scrotum]

I might have some free time coming up soon and I've got just about enough money to get to London. So, if you've got any stuff that needs fixing, say the Plumbing, then I may be able to help. The only problem would be getting the right tools to London....

[Cult of Reason]

This is brilliant! I am going to be living in London from October onwards, as I will be at Imperial College (or UCL if I do not get the grades). Perhaps I could stay there, it would cheaper than halls? Is it a viable distance from either of those two universities? If so I would seriously consider it. :D

Damn you NoXion, why are you not on MSN? Who should I contact, and how, to get more information?

[RebelDog]

If I'm in London in the not so distant future I could pop in. It would be nothing more than a holiday for me but we could get pissed. £2-25 for a glass of red ain't too bad :D

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by farleft+Jul 24 2006, 03:52 PM--> (farleft @ Jul 24 2006, 03:52 PM)
Comrade [email protected] 24 2006, 01:38 PM
The pictures look great, looks like an awesome place :D
Can't wait to see it when it's all properly done, that could turn into a prettu good leftist squat palace.

But erm... don't you think you should edit or delete the picture of the outside of the pub, where you can see a bit of the sign? It could give clues to your location, anyone can read this board, militant fascists and such. I'm sure with someone in the know or a bit of research, they could figure out where you are?
Paranoid.

I don't personally share your worries, my experience of online chatting, forums and the real world leave me to feel very comfortable about this. [/b]
:huh: Fair enough, good luck if the place gets set on fire. And I'm not worried, it's your place/life, not mine.

It's not paranoia, it's common sense, why risk it?

[Delta]

That's an awesome place! In the very off-chance that I go to London in the near future, I'd love to come by.

[Keyser]

If I'm in London in the not so distant future I could pop in. It would be nothing more than a holiday for me but we could get pissed. £2-25 for a glass of red ain't too bad.

Hehe, those were old prices.

Now drinks will be served for free, we are not a pub, but an occupied space and a soon to be social centre.

Heck, we are setting up a space were the laws of the British capitalist state and the rules of the capitalist system cease to be. We aim to use money as little as possible, hopefully to a near zero rating. ;)

[RebelDog]

Thats great but I would take Comrade J's advice, why take risks when you don't need to.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 10:25 PM
hey neat can i see it :-D?
Of course you can, we can meet at the nearest tube station and i'll walk you here.

[farleft]

Originally posted by Armchair [email protected] 24 2006, 10:37 PM
I might have some free time coming up soon and I've got just about enough money to get to London. So, if you've got any stuff that needs fixing, say the Plumbing, then I may be able to help. The only problem would be getting the right tools to London....
We have water in the pub now!

But there are leaks all over teh place so at the moment we are sorting that, I went to the plumbers today and got some stuff also we are buying tools and things all the time so if you come and you dont the tools you need I can just go buy them from nearby.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 11:11 PM
This is brilliant! I am going to be living in London from October onwards, as I will be at Imperial College (or UCL if I do not get the grades). Perhaps I could stay there, it would cheaper than halls? Is it a viable distance from either of those two universities? If so I would seriously consider it. :D

Damn you NoXion, why are you not on MSN? Who should I contact, and how, to get more information?
This place is rent free mate, when the drinks are here thats free too so pissed for free though if yuo want to donate some money then that would be great but not compulsary, no pressure.

[farleft]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 25 2006, 02:06 AM
Thats great but I would take Comrade J's advice, why take risks when you don't need to.
That pic of the outside you see yes?

You cant see that from the outside because behind where I took the picture is solid wood blocking off the pub from those walking by whick is too tall for people to see over.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by farleft+Jul 25 2006, 10:16 AM--> (farleft @ Jul 25 2006, 10:16 AM)
Armchair [email protected] 24 2006, 10:37 PM
I might have some free time coming up soon and I've got just about enough money to get to London. So, if you've got any stuff that needs fixing, say the Plumbing, then I may be able to help. The only problem would be getting the right tools to London....
We have water in the pub now!

But there are leaks all over teh place so at the moment we are sorting that, I went to the plumbers today and got some stuff also we are buying tools and things all the time so if you come and you dont the tools you need I can just go buy them from nearby. [/b]

Okay, I&#39;ll see about coming up....I should be able to tell you, for definite, whether I could come for a visit by, say, Saturday. But, after that, I&#39;d need to try and get my travel arrangements sorted and all that. But I definitely fancy it....if only to have the experience of getting pissed with three fellows as fine as yourselves. <_<

As for the leaks, if they&#39;re small, all you&#39;ll need are a few sockets, some solder, some flux and a blowtorch. I&#39;d get the stuff myself, but I&#39;m I don&#39;t fancy travelling on the Tube with a large bag and a blowtorch. If you get what I mean.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 11:11 PM
Damn you NoXion, why are you not on MSN? Who should I contact, and how, to get more information?
I can&#39;t get on MSN cos I don&#39;t have regular access to a computer, but I do check up on Revleft at least once a day, so you can PM me if you want to know anything.

[farleft]

Yeah that&#39;s the thing when you live in a squat that doesn&#39;t currently have electricity.

Still hopefully it won&#39;t be long now till it&#39;s up and running.

[Global_Justice]

how are you gonna get electricity and water etc.?

[Forward Union]

see you next saturday, not the 29th because I have to go the the Class War southeastern conference, but erm. I will definetly come and find you the sat after that...

t3h &#036;ex&#33;

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 04:03 PM
how are you gonna get electricity and water etc.?
We have water now. Water bill is just under £13.00 a month so per person thats next to nothing.

As for the electricity, we will sort it then contact the electricity people and get connected.

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by farleft+Jul 25 2006, 04:58 PM--> (farleft @ Jul 25 2006, 04:58 PM)
[email protected] 25 2006, 04:03 PM
how are you gonna get electricity and water etc.?
We have water now. Water bill is just under £13.00 a month so per person thats next to nothing.

As for the electricity, we will sort it then contact the electricity people and get connected. [/b]
so you can get water and electricity, but isn&#39;t the place technically classed as unoccupied?

[farleft]

Originally posted by Global_Justice+Jul 25 2006, 06:37 PM--> (Global_Justice @ Jul 25 2006, 06:37 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 04:58 PM

[email protected] 25 2006, 04:03 PM
how are you gonna get electricity and water etc.?
We have water now. Water bill is just under £13.00 a month so per person thats next to nothing.

As for the electricity, we will sort it then contact the electricity people and get connected.
so you can get water and electricity, but isn&#39;t the place technically classed as unoccupied? [/b]
Well, we have signs up saying that its occupied.

Beats me&#33; lol Maybe noxion or anarchism now are better to answer.

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by farleft+Jul 25 2006, 06:40 PM--> (farleft @ Jul 25 2006, 06:40 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 04:58 PM

[email protected] 25 2006, 04:03 PM
how are you gonna get electricity and water etc.?
We have water now. Water bill is just under £13.00 a month so per person thats next to nothing.

As for the electricity, we will sort it then contact the electricity people and get connected.
so you can get water and electricity, but isn&#39;t the place technically classed as unoccupied?
Well, we have signs up saying that its occupied.

Beats me&#33; lol Maybe noxion or anarchism now are better to answer. [/b]
:rolleyes: i just assumed that if you didn&#39;t legally live there then you wouldn&#39;t be connected to electricity etc. but i don&#39;t know anything about it.

[farleft]

Originally posted by Global_Justice+Jul 25 2006, 06:53 PM--> (Global_Justice @ Jul 25 2006, 06:53 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 04:58 PM

[email protected] 25 2006, 04:03 PM
how are you gonna get electricity and water etc.?
We have water now. Water bill is just under £13.00 a month so per person thats next to nothing.

As for the electricity, we will sort it then contact the electricity people and get connected.
so you can get water and electricity, but isn&#39;t the place technically classed as unoccupied?
Well, we have signs up saying that its occupied.

Beats me&#33; lol Maybe noxion or anarchism now are better to answer.
:rolleyes: i just assumed that if you didn&#39;t legally live there then you wouldn&#39;t be connected to electricity etc. but i don&#39;t know anything about it. [/b]
Squatting is legal.

These water people and whoever dont care, as long as they get money, typical cappies.

[loveme4whoiam]

Hurray for the cappies providing you with water and power :lol: I wonder if they&#39;d cut you off if they knew the purpose of your social centre :rolleyes:

[Cult of Reason]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 11:18 AM
This place is rent free mate, when the drinks are here thats free too so pissed for free though if yuo want to donate some money then that would be great but not compulsary, no pressure.
Yeah, I discussed this with Anarchism Now on MSN. I think that I will take up the offer (unless my mother is very annoyed. I may be 18 but it is still probably a good idea not to really piss off family), most likely. I will be returning from Sweden on 20th of August. I am thinking I should meet you people soon after that, which would hopefully be before the accomodation applications for Uni. That is, of course, assuming that I have not flunked my exams of June.

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by Haraldur+Jul 25 2006, 11:29 PM--> (Haraldur &#064; Jul 25 2006, 11:29 PM)
[email protected] 25 2006, 11:18 AM
This place is rent free mate, when the drinks are here thats free too so pissed for free though if yuo want to donate some money then that would be great but not compulsary, no pressure.
Yeah, I discussed this with Anarchism Now on MSN. I think that I will take up the offer (unless my mother is very annoyed. I may be 18 but it is still probably a good idea not to really piss off family), most likely. I will be returning from Sweden on 20th of August. I am thinking I should meet you people soon after that, which would hopefully be before the accomodation applications for Uni. That is, of course, assuming that I have not flunked my exams of June. [/b]
what uni are you going to?

i&#39;m going to roehampton in london. :)

[An archist]

Dam, that place looks like it really could be something nice.
Too bad I don&#39;t live in England.
Anyway, do you know why the place is abandoned? otherwise you might face some serious problems: we squatted a place a while ago, but it was filled with asbestos.

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 26 2006, 05:56 AM
Anyway, do you know why the place is abandoned? otherwise you might face some serious problems: we squatted a place a while ago, but it was filled with asbestos.
Asbestos really isn&#39;t that much of a problem unless you are putting it up (shipyard workers), or taking it down. Once it is in place the health effects are minimal. I lived in an old stone house that had asbestos pipe insulation and asbestos floor tiles. No health risk until you rip them out and remodel.

A bit like lead paint. Just don&#39;t lick the walls.

[farleft]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 26 2006, 10:56 AM
Dam, that place looks like it really could be something nice.
Too bad I don&#39;t live in England.
Anyway, do you know why the place is abandoned? otherwise you might face some serious problems: we squatted a place a while ago, but it was filled with asbestos.
Ever thought of moving?

[An archist]

That&#39;s the point, we had to leave it, because the asbestos had been moved around and the place was full of it.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Global Justice
i just assumed that if you didn&#39;t legally live there then you wouldn&#39;t be connected to electricity etc. but i don&#39;t know anything about it.

Squatters can get utilities provided by private companies, without government knowledge.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Whitten+Jul 23 2006, 11:32 AM--> (Whitten @ Jul 23 2006, 11:32 AM)
Lennie [email protected] 22 2006, 11:28 PM
What are the squatting laws like in the UK?
Basicly so long as you dont break in (or they cant prove you broke in ;) ) then it isnt classed as a criminal offence and the police cant get involved. The owner will have to go through a long court process to get you evicted, and I hear there are many loopholes regarding this process [/b]
Not anymore. It&#39;s now relatively easy/quick for landlords to get possession orders.

Also, a squat is only a legal squat when you have placed a Section 6 somewhere in the building and one person has to be there at all times otherwise anyone can enter and change the locks, get rid of your stuff etc.

A section six basically states that the building is under occupation and that there is at least one person on the premises at any time who objects to anyone entering.

The Advisory Service for Squatters (ASS) is very helpful: http://www.squatter.org.uk/

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by Anarchism [email protected] 24 2006, 02:51 AM
Forgot to mention.

When I was clearing the stairs, I came across an abandoned copy of Atlas Shrugged, written by Ayn Rand&#33;

So come on over to our place, I have yet to chuck to the book out. Not only do you get free accomodation but free Ayn Rand literature too. :P :lol: :P
Surely there must be more interesting things to do in your squat, not to mention in all of London? :lol:

[farleft]

Originally posted by Matthijs+Jul 29 2006, 06:04 PM--> (Matthijs @ Jul 29 2006, 06:04 PM)
Anarchism [email protected] 24 2006, 02:51 AM
Forgot to mention.

When I was clearing the stairs, I came across an abandoned copy of Atlas Shrugged, written by Ayn Rand&#33;

So come on over to our place, I have yet to chuck to the book out. Not only do you get free accomodation but free Ayn Rand literature too. :P :lol: :P
Surely there must be more interesting things to do in your squat, not to mention in all of London? :lol: [/b]
Something more interesting than reading Ayn Rand? No sir there isnt :P

We are still here in the squat just now we cant get access to the internet as often as we would like.

[Cult of Reason]

what uni are you going to?

i&#39;m going to roehampton in london. smile.gif

Imperial, to do Physics.

[sav]

This is brilliant.

Can I reserve a place while the Anarchist Bookfair is on? Provided you&#39;re still there of course (here&#39;s hoping).

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 11:39 PM
This is brilliant.

Can I reserve a place while the Anarchist Bookfair is on? Provided you&#39;re still there of course (here&#39;s hoping).
Reservations not required, all are welcome.

Comrades would die for each other so to offer a roof over ones head is nothing.

[farleft]

Here is the upstairs lounge after I sorted it out.

[Black Dagger]

What&#39;s up with the stains on the walls etc? Is it from water? Or is that just dirt?

[sav]

Looks like something has been leaking in the loft.

[RaiseYourVoice]

wow this looks likei should pay london a visit, this would be the main attraction for me though xD

i might still have time this summer if you guys dont mind

[Zero]

Pretty damn sweet. If I lived in England I would totally join you guys.

Will you be fixing up the walls and stuff?

[farleft]

I have no idea what that stuff on the walls are.

If we are there for any significant period of time yes we would clean all that crap up.

Noxion, Jazzratt and I will be in court tomorrow morning (Civil Court not criminal).

We have our defence sorted so hopefully we can get something out of it and that they dont just give it straight to the owners (Wellington Pub Company).

We will wait to see the outcome before we start work on anything else in the pub.

And yes comrades we will welcome you with open arms should you wish to join us at the pub.

[sav]

Good luck with the case comrade.

[An archist]

Indeed, good luck&#33;

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Mmm. Well, this is interesting. I feared I mightn&#39;t be able to make the Anarchist Bookfair this year, but a ray of hope. I do love the bookfair. I just want to buy everything there, in one big go, and roll around in heaps of lefty literature. :o

-Alex

[Red Polak]

haha, that&#39;s totally fucking awesome. Good luck with it&#33;

[Morag]

Yeah, good luck with the court date. If you win, I&#39;ll be coming to London for about a week in mid-September, and would gladly trade my chambermaiding skills for a bit of free floor. So, not just in self-interest, but in solidarity, good luck&#33; :)

[Cult of Reason]

I thought the owners had fled?

[farleft]

A loss and a win.

Judge Wright dismissed our defence in minutes and we must leave with immidiate effect, the baliffs will be round in 5 days.

On the plus side, quick action by NoXion, Jazzratt and myself, we have got a bigger and better place.

It&#39;s a 14 bedroom former childs home that has been empty for 4 years. It&#39;s in alot better condition and its just us three so far.


All are welcome and the sooner the better&#33;

[Cult of Reason]

Hmmm... More information please? Who owns it? Council? Private? Will they ever be coming back? Etc.. I am obviously still interested in this. How long does it take to get to Imperial College in South Kensington from there? Etc..

[Enragé]

pictures of the new place? :D

[loveme4whoiam]

Too bad about the pub, bastard judge; but excellent news about the bigger and better place :D I&#39;ll ask the same questions as Haraldur, apart from that last one, I&#39;m not that interested in that one :) Any possibility you&#39;ll have to go back to court for this place, or is it more of a certainty?

I&#39;m off to Uni at the end of September, possibly I could go up a week or two early and give you guys a hand? I&#39;ll PM you once I&#39;ve sorted dates and crap out.

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 11:01 PM
Too bad about the pub, bastard judge; but excellent news about the bigger and better place :D I&#39;ll ask the same questions as Haraldur, apart from that last one, I&#39;m not that interested in that one :) Any possibility you&#39;ll have to go back to court for this place, or is it more of a certainty?

I&#39;m off to Uni at the end of September, possibly I could go up a week or two early and give you guys a hand? I&#39;ll PM you once I&#39;ve sorted dates and crap out.
what uni are you going to mate?

[anarchista feminista]

hi i&#39;m planning to move to london in just over a year for a while so it would nice if i can get to know some people over there before i go. not sure of if there are any other visas i can get other than a working holiday visa which i assume will be best because i&#39;d like to get a little bit of work if possible and it seems to allow me to stay there the longest. so if anyone can provide any help can you please let me know? much appreciated&#33; love.

[loveme4whoiam]

Kent at Canterbury mate - thought I could stop off with them for a week and help out, then head down to Kent for the glorious drunken revelry of Fresher&#39;s Week :D

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 08:04 PM
Hmmm... More information please? Who owns it? Council? Private? Will they ever be coming back? Etc.. I am obviously still interested in this. How long does it take to get to Imperial College in South Kensington from there? Etc..
A property developer owns it, he bought it but the local residents managed to block the development plans (whatever they include I dont know).

The reason the residents blocked the developer is because in the garden there are 3 protected trees apparently (I wouldnt be able to tell, trees look the same to me).

It was even the local residents that contacted A.S.S. and asked for squatters&#33; So it&#39;s good to know we will have support from them.

The place is a 5 min bus ride from Ealing Broadway tube station which is on the district and central lines.



I will post pics as soon as I can though I don&#39;t know when that will be.

[An archist]

Hey that&#39;s great news, support from the residents will defenitely make your case stronger, try finding out wether the locals support you or not.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Oh my god, being a squatter must be scary. hope they wont hurt you.

[Cult of Reason]

Farleft: Brilliant&#33;

[Palmares]

When if my plans work out and I go to Europe next year, be cool for me to crash here? :unsure:

[atlas]

sounds awesome. any pics yet?

[Tetsuo]

Good luck to everybody involved with this. Sounds pretty promising, what with local people being involved and all.

Is the property developer aware that you&#39;re in there? Because if he&#39;s not, you might want to lay off the public photos of the exterior this time ;)

[drain.you]

hey guys, what you doing sounds awesome. just wondering how you are doing this all, i mean finicially?
are any of you working? how are you getting food? how are you getting access to computers to post on here?
are you just planning on moving from place to place everytime you get evicted?
i live in the north-east, come down to london whenever i have the cash. sounds interesting.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 12:49 AM
hey guys, what you doing sounds awesome. just wondering how you are doing this all, i mean finicially?
are any of you working? how are you getting food? how are you getting access to computers to post on here?
are you just planning on moving from place to place everytime you get evicted?
i live in the north-east, come down to london whenever i have the cash. sounds interesting.
Hello,

Haraldur came round and saw the place, he likes it.

Some in the squat work, some have student loans, some claim JSA and some are living off money saved up from previous jobs.

Access to the internet via i-cafe just untill we get the internet up and running at home (most likely in two weeks time).

I cant speak for the others but personally yes I will be moving from one squat to the other each time we get evicted.

Yeah you&#39;re welcome to pop round and check out the place, meet anarchism_now, noxion, jazzratt, haraldur, myself and if she is about, tragicclown. RevLeft offline :D

Can&#39;t stop long because time in the i-cafe is running out.

Take care&#33;

FarLeft

[Global_Justice]

oh, there&#39;s quite a few people living there now. awesome&#33;

i start uni in a few weeks, but i&#39;m staying on campus. but hopefully i&#39;ll come round in a month or so and meet you lot&#33;

farleft, are you still doing that pamphlet thing? i wrote a little bit about unemployment and working hours in capitalism and how it could be different. i&#39;ve tried to make it quite simple because it&#39;s aimed at introducing people.

[Cult of Reason]

The idea at the moment is for me to live there on weekends, for reasons I cannot be arsed to explain here. This is to inform the multitude of people (yeah, right) who wish to meet me.

Numbers living there on a permanent (ish) basis is in the high single figures.

When you get drunk you can play around with (or on ;) ) this large flat swinging platform in the garden.

[loveme4whoiam]

RevLeft Offline indeed :D You&#39;re getting set up more substancially, glad its working out. Depending on what happens with my Uni applications, I&#39;ll drop in on my way to Fresher&#39;s Week to meet everyone :D

[farleft]

Yeah we are still working on the paper idea, Haraldur was helping when he came over and we are really starting to get a move on with it now.

Here are a couple of pics of the place, couldnt take pics of all rooms, too many&#33;

[farleft]

Hallway upstairs

[farleft]

A room that we wil use for the paper now named "The Underground"

[farleft]

The dining room

[farleft]

The lounge

[farleft]

The garden

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

whoa

that place is neat, notice the stella tucked away in the corner there :P

how long do you reckon you&#39;ll be there for?

[Taevus]

Excellent photos&#33;

[loveme4whoiam]

Nice, that place looks better than the hostel&#39;s I&#39;ve stayed at in my time :D Especially the one in Santander - damn, that place was a dive. Hold on to that place comrades, its a nice pad :D

[which doctor]

Holy shit, that place looks great&#33;

I hope you can keep it.

[Enragé]

looks great&#33; :D

if its still there in a year i&#39;ll pop by ^^

[ahab]

WOW&#33; that place looks nice&#33; nicer than the shit im in right now lol bigger anyway, good luck comrades, hope you can hold onto it, I might be able to stop by this summer (if your still there). peace.

[Zero]

Holy moly&#33; Thats great work&#33; If I didn&#39;t live on the other side of the world I&#39;d come and help you guys out.

[An archist]

:D that place looks great, I&#39;ll try to save some money to maybe drop by during the next holiday season.

[Tower of Bebel]

It looks great&#33;

[RedAnarchist]

If I have a chance to go down to London, I&#39;ll remember to visit.

[Comrade J]

I&#39;d love to come visit, but I live in Lancashire

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 1 2006, 02:01 AM
I&#39;d love to come visit, but I live in Lancashire
So would i&#33; But i live in Babakiueria :(

[farleft]

Thanks for the kind words comrades.

It is a kick arse place :)

There is a court case tomorrow between the owner of the place and the local residents which the local residents have won the last 4 times so we imagine the will win again and also winter is approaching so they won&#39;t be able to kick us out then, id say that we will be here for at least a year though hopefully many more years :)

[DM.]

Great work guys&#33;
If I ever come to London I&#39;ll pass by with some stella&#39;s :D

Just wondering, how did you guys fixed the electricity? Is there also an internetconnection? If so, how did you fixed that?

[lithium]

This place looks great&#33; I&#39;m visting London in a couple of weeks for a few days - not sure if I&#39;ll have the chance to get to you guys though..

Good to hear the residents are on your side&#33; Maybe organise some sort of local get-together? Or a car boot sale? Keep them on your side by showing that you can add to the local community&#33;

[An archist]

..and maybe invite them over for food and/or drinks?
get together, start a comittee to save the trees/squat ^_^

[Enragé]

yeh :)

i&#39;ve always thought of squats as good bases for/to start grassroots organisations.

[silentprotest]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2006, 04:28 PM
Thanks for the kind words comrades.

It is a kick arse place :)

There is a court case tomorrow between the owner of the place and the local residents which the local residents have won the last 4 times so we imagine the will win again and also winter is approaching so they won&#39;t be able to kick us out then, id say that we will be here for at least a year though hopefully many more years :)
Just remember, if you squat for 5 years the building becomes yours under UK law. (I think)

[TC]

The new squat is really really nice, its quite large with tons of empty rooms and a functioning kitchen, and its actually neat and stuff.

[farleft]

Originally posted by silentprotest+Aug 31 2006, 10:22 PM--> (silentprotest @ Aug 31 2006, 10:22 PM)
[email protected] 31 2006, 04:28 PM
Thanks for the kind words comrades.

It is a kick arse place :)

There is a court case tomorrow between the owner of the place and the local residents which the local residents have won the last 4 times so we imagine the will win again and also winter is approaching so they won&#39;t be able to kick us out then, id say that we will be here for at least a year though hopefully many more years :)
Just remember, if you squat for 5 years the building becomes yours under UK law. (I think) [/b]
10 years.

We have electricity the same way everyone else does, we pay for it via the normal rout.

[silentprotest]

10 years aye, damn, but good luck on it.

[farleft]

Just to fill people in on some of the latest developments.

On the 4th Sept Zanrose Developments Ltd sent a guy round to check out whats happening here, we spoke to him then he left.

That night he phoned up and tried to bribe us to leave the place.

"we want to do a deal"
"we want to buy you off"

We refused&#33;

The the next day the send a different guy round and he kicks in our side door&#33; now teh bloody thing wont close&#33;

Yesterday they came round and give us the issue to go to court so on the 22nd Sept we will go to court with these bastards.

Our case is alot stronger than that of the pub, we have alot more for our defense.



I will keeep you posted.

[loveme4whoiam]

Good luck fighting the bastards - if you can prove that the guy who kicked in the door worked for them then you must have a pretty decent case, plus there was all that stuff with the Community Association or something wasn&#39;t there? Anyway good luck, hope you guys hang on to the place :D

[which doctor]

How much did they offer for it?

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Hope you kick there asses rob, keep up the resistance and let us know how it goes. ;)

[An archist]

Sorry, if it&#39;s been asked before, but you did put up a section 6 did you?

[farleft]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 9 2006, 10:16 AM
Sorry, if it&#39;s been asked before, but you did put up a section 6 did you?
Yes we did.

You can download them from the squatters.org site under legal warning.

[More Fire for the People]

Just one question, how the hell do you have power and water? If you&#39;ve hooked yourself up to the grid won&#39;t they detect that?

[Trent Steele]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 9 2006, 10:06 PM
Just one question, how the hell do you have power and water? If you&#39;ve hooked yourself up to the grid won&#39;t they detect that?
You can get them from the normal companies, by paying for them.
The building will most likely already be connected to the water/gas/electricity system, all you have to do is contact the relavent company.
They don&#39;t care if you own the house or not, provided you pay them.

[( R )evolution]

I am gonna have to check this out next time I am in london. I am planning to go to Cambridge so I got to go visit the campus and I want to go hang out in london, hopefully you can work everything out so I can come by. T

[Sadena Meti]

Does anyone have links to information on squatting / property appropriation / homesteading in the United States? I know for the most part it doesn&#39;t exist, but I&#39;m interested in seeing what is out there.

[Iroquois Xavier]

Good luck guys, youve done a smashing job on the place hope you keep it. :D

[farleft]

Hello,

Well, we lost the court case, with immedite effect. Will probably take the baliffs a few weeks to come round and kick us out but we got to go.

A few of the others are now in the process of setting up another squat, not sure what im going to do.

[Vladislav]

Oh FUCK. Dammit. Bad luck. Damn that sucks hard. After all the effort and stuff. Is there anything else you can do?

[loveme4whoiam]

That sucks the big one, too bad guys. Hope you can find a decent place soon :)

[Revolutionary Souljah]

damn

[Enragé]

man that sucks :(


you could go out with a bang though? :P

[Lenin's Law]

Bad luck Comrades&#33;

May I ask, what was the reason the judge ruled against you being that he had sided with the residents on the other occasions?

Did you bring up the part about someone smashing in your side door? What became of that?

Anyway some very good comradely luck with all your future endeavors and plans to find a new squat&#33; If I lived in the UK I would certainly try to help but unfortunately I do not.

[farleft]

Originally posted by Stalin&#39;s [email protected] 25 2006, 02:50 PM
Bad luck Comrades&#33;

May I ask, what was the reason the judge ruled against you being that he had sided with the residents on the other occasions?

Did you bring up the part about someone smashing in your side door? What became of that?

Anyway some very good comradely luck with all your future endeavors and plans to find a new squat&#33; If I lived in the UK I would certainly try to help but unfortunately I do not.
He said that in the case of zanrose against the squatters the residents issues where irrelevent, it&#39;s a simple case of ownership of property which zanrose can prove and there is no question mark over that ownership.

So they kicked us out.

Zanrose came round on Monday, they sent a guy round and said we wernt supposed to be there and we had to leave, I just told him to go get the bailiffs so he got in his car and drove off.

Then about an hour and half later they sent a different guy, he said the same thing, as did i and he get in his car and drove off.

Odd, Brentford county court say it could be a month before the bailiffs come round.

[An archist]

so, you can stay there for another month?

[farleft]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 27 2006, 12:49 PM
so, you can stay there for another month?
Possibly, we can&#39;t say for certain but it&#39;s possible.

[Keyser]

If any of you wish to visit our squat or get in touch for whatever reason, PM me as farleft is unable to squat at the mo, due to other things going on.

I&#39;m still squatting and if your interested, please get in touch.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Anarchism [email protected] 22, 2006 05:02 pm
Hi all.

Me and two other guys from RL (Noxion and Farleft) have got together and taken an empty pub in London and have now moved in.

We are spending this weekend clearing out the place, cleaning up all the crap that was there. It&#39;s a huge building with many rooms upstairs and ground floor, adjacent building (garage and pub garden) in it so it has the potential to expand into a great community of fellow squatters, revolutionaries and radicals. ;)

We are looking for fellow anti-capitalists (don&#39;t care if your a Marxist-Leninist, Anarcho-Communist, Autonomist Marxist, just as long as your not a reformist :P ).

We did not have to break into the place when we took it, the gate on the fence outside has this huge gap which you can crawl under and the main front window is wide open, no glass or board on it. It is in a safe condition and the pub has been closed and out of business for about 15 months now.

This is a key issue, for if you find a way in, and not break in, your case with the fucking law is that much stronger. :D
I used to be a student in manchester and they had a squat on oxford rd (it was more of a leftist pub as there was noone living there but they sold really nice lager) Fucking cops closed it down after a year though so good luck holding onto yours. Are you lot members of UCL SWSS by any chance?

How you gonna heat the place now that the cold season&#39;s coming in. This is why you couldnt get me out of renting, im too fond of my mod cons. :unsure:
Im not fond of primitivist philosphophy.

[farleft]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+October 30, 2006 02:26 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ October 30, 2006 02:26 pm)
Anarchism [email protected] 22, 2006 05:02 pm
Hi all.

Me and two other guys from RL (Noxion and Farleft) have got together and taken an empty pub in London and have now moved in.

We are spending this weekend clearing out the place, cleaning up all the crap that was there. It&#39;s a huge building with many rooms upstairs and ground floor, adjacent building (garage and pub garden) in it so it has the potential to expand into a great community of fellow squatters, revolutionaries and radicals. ;)

We are looking for fellow anti-capitalists (don&#39;t care if your a Marxist-Leninist, Anarcho-Communist, Autonomist Marxist, just as long as your not a reformist :P ).

We did not have to break into the place when we took it, the gate on the fence outside has this huge gap which you can crawl under and the main front window is wide open, no glass or board on it. It is in a safe condition and the pub has been closed and out of business for about 15 months now.

This is a key issue, for if you find a way in, and not break in, your case with the fucking law is that much stronger. :D
I used to be a student in manchester and they had a squat on oxford rd (it was more of a leftist pub as there was noone living there but they sold really nice lager) Fucking cops closed it down after a year though so good luck holding onto yours. Are you lot members of UCL SWSS by any chance?

How you gonna heat the place now that the cold season&#39;s coming in. This is why you couldnt get me out of renting, im too fond of my mod cons. :unsure:
Im not fond of primitivist philosphophy. [/b]
It&#39;s not primitive&#33; We had in Ealing, electricity, heating, washing machines, microwaves, gas, dvds, computers etc.

I am not really aware of the current situation, as Anarchism_Now said, I dont squat anymore because that Ealing squat was lost to the owner :(

NoXion and Anarchism_Now have a new squat I think in central London, but one of them will have to fill you in.

No, none of us are or were members of UCL SWSS.

[anarchista feminista]

ah, i&#39;d like to hear how things go eh. i only recently found out how crappy things are here for squatters. you need to live there for something like 19 years? before you have ownership. i&#39;d have to look that up. oh well, i&#39;m still at home right now anyway. that&#39;ll do until i finish school ;)

[Black Dagger]

Actually in oz you can only ever claim &#39;adverse possession&#39; (i.e. ownership by squatting) on what is called &#39;old systems title&#39; (and as you said, this requires proof of occupation for a long period of time).

To compound this problem, unfortunately &#39;old systems title&#39; is only for extremely old properties, as over a century ago the colonial authorities introduced a new title system, &#39;torrens title&#39;, which colonial property was then converted to. Under the descendant of the torrens title system it is impossible to claim &#39;adverse possession&#39;, to do so you would actually need the permission of the owner, and in some cases the owners of surrounding property.

Moreover, say in sydney for example, the only &#39;old systems title&#39; that exists are really small parcels of land that are unuseable, like small lanes or sections of lanes that run by other properties, nothing you could live on.

I&#39;m also pretty sure that if you did claim adverse possession on some &#39;old system title&#39; the government would request you pay back taxes on the property (land tax etc.), which only makes the idea even more unrealistic.

In oz squatting IS feasible, but ownership via squatting is not, which is no real loss, considering the difficulty in maintaining a squat for 19 years ;)

[An archist]

So do the government let you get away with squatting or do they crack down real fast?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 31, 2006 11:41 am
So do the government let you get away with squatting or do they crack down real fast?
I think it&#39;s more up to the owner of the property, isn&#39;t it?

Also, AFAIK there was an act brought in in England and Wales in 2002 that says that after 10 years of squatting, you have to inform the owner of the property. As the statutory time limit for having you removed is 12 years, claiming adverse possession is very hard indeed.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 31, 2006 12:32 pm
I&#39;m also pretty sure that if you did claim adverse possession on some &#39;old system title&#39; the government would request you pay back taxes on the property (land tax etc.), which only makes the idea even more unrealistic.

In oz squatting IS feasible, but ownership via squatting is not, which is no real loss, considering the difficulty in maintaining a squat for 19 years ;)
That&#39;s how i understand it too. So if you ever squat, and have it for (what I heard is 15 - its been slowly increasing in the past 5 or so years) 15 or whatever years, the owner has most likely forgotten about it anyway...

Why pay the back tax? :lol:

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by Cthenthar+November 01, 2006 09:04 am--> (Cthenthar @ November 01, 2006 09:04 am)
Black [email protected] 31, 2006 12:32 pm
I&#39;m also pretty sure that if you did claim adverse possession on some &#39;old system title&#39; the government would request you pay back taxes on the property (land tax etc.), which only makes the idea even more unrealistic.

In oz squatting IS feasible, but ownership via squatting is not, which is no real loss, considering the difficulty in maintaining a squat for 19 years ;)
That&#39;s how i understand it too. So if you ever squat, and have it for (what I heard is 15 - its been slowly increasing in the past 5 or so years) 15 or whatever years, the owner has most likely forgotten about it anyway...

Why pay the back tax? :lol: [/b]
haha true. i talked to my stepdad about this last night. he was still saying that it is someone else&#39;s property. and i said property is theft. if it&#39;s unoccupied or unused space why not put it to better use?&#33;

[anarcho_and_peace]

Originally posted by Anarchism [email protected] 22, 2006 05:02 pm
Hi all.

Me and two other guys from RL (Noxion and Farleft) have got together and taken an empty pub in London and have now moved in.

We are spending this weekend clearing out the place, cleaning up all the crap that was there. It&#39;s a huge building with many rooms upstairs and ground floor, adjacent building (garage and pub garden) in it so it has the potential to expand into a great community of fellow squatters, revolutionaries and radicals. ;)

We are looking for fellow anti-capitalists (don&#39;t care if your a Marxist-Leninist, Anarcho-Communist, Autonomist Marxist, just as long as your not a reformist :P ).

We did not have to break into the place when we took it, the gate on the fence outside has this huge gap which you can crawl under and the main front window is wide open, no glass or board on it. It is in a safe condition and the pub has been closed and out of business for about 15 months now.

This is a key issue, for if you find a way in, and not break in, your case with the fucking law is that much stronger. :D
Hell yeah. We might be doing this in an abandoned pub in Sydney. It&#39;ll be awesome as&#33; the beer garden is so sick&#33;
Wont be for a couple of weeks though.
Never the less, that&#39;s awesome&#33;

[anarchista feminista]

WHHOOOOOOOOAAAAAA IT&#39;S YOU :o whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; i&#39;m scared.

[kaaos_af]

Fuck I envy you people. Squatting is illegal in QLD- they&#39;ve even got a cop division to stamp squatters out.

[Rollo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 07:30 pm
Fuck I envy you people. Squatting is illegal in QLD- they&#39;ve even got a cop division to stamp squatters out.
I&#39;m telling you, it is easy as hell to live at the beach. Especially if it has a big headland. You can eat various plants, dig a burrow and such.

[chimx]

thanks john zerzan. we&#39;ll keep that in mind.

do you have any tips on how to fashion a spear out of a sea shell?

[Black Dagger]

Fix a knife blade to a stick instead :P

[anarchista feminista]

i didn&#39;t know it was illegal in QLD...

[Patchd]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 11:00 pm
i didn&#39;t know it was illegal in QLD...
Where&#39;s QLD? Oh, and btw unlucky farleft, good luck in the future.

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by Palachinov+November 06, 2006 07:05 am--> (Palachinov @ November 06, 2006 07:05 am)
[email protected] 04, 2006 11:00 pm
i didn&#39;t know it was illegal in QLD...
Where&#39;s QLD? Oh, and btw unlucky farleft, good luck in the future. [/b]
It&#39;s a northern state in Australia. It&#39;s kinda close to the equator near the top. Massive state. Lots of nice beaches, mountains etc. Home of Steve Irwin and the Great Barrier Reef.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by anarchy_oi+November 06, 2006 12:52 pm--> (anarchy_oi &#064; November 06, 2006 12:52 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 07:05 am

[email protected] 04, 2006 11:00 pm
i didn&#39;t know it was illegal in QLD...
Where&#39;s QLD? Oh, and btw unlucky farleft, good luck in the future.
It&#39;s a northern state in Australia. It&#39;s kinda close to the equator near the top. Massive state. Lots of nice beaches, mountains etc. Home of Steve Irwin and the Great Barrier Reef. [/b]
You forgot racists&#33;

QLD is the &#39;deep south&#39; of the australian continent, and that&#39;s not just a cutesy comparison, a part from being probably the most racist state in oz (though its a tight race with the NT), like the southern USA, it was home of plantations (lotsa sugar), where Indigenous peoples and Pacific Islanders were slaved for the QLD colony.

[chitthethtwe]

Hi all.

Me and two other guys from RL (Noxion and Farleft) have got together and taken an empty pub in London and have now moved in.

We are spending this weekend clearing out the place, cleaning up all the crap that was there. It&#39;s a huge building with many rooms upstairs and ground floor, adjacent building (garage and pub garden) in it so it has the potential to expand into a great community of fellow squatters, revolutionaries and radicals. ;)

We are looking for fellow anti-capitalists (don&#39;t care if your a Marxist-Leninist, Anarcho-Communist, Autonomist Marxist, just as long as your not a reformist :P ).

We did not have to break into the place when we took it, the gate on the fence outside has this huge gap which you can crawl under and the main front window is wide open, no glass or board on it. It is in a safe condition and the pub has been closed and out of business for about 15 months now.

This is a key issue, for if you find a way in, and not break in, your case with the fucking law is that much stronger. :D
I live in london.I want to visit to you two.Please send email to my account with your address.I will soon come and visit .

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[scarletghoul]

Yes. This was very funny.

Anyway, this thread is years old. Is this squat still goin?

[Jazzratt]

Anyway, this thread is years old. Is this squat still goin?

No. There was a ridiculous, waste of time, court case against the snootiest solicitor ever presided over by this judge who must have been hand picked from fucking toff land. Apparently there were a number of other places which also had problems.

The robber barons who own derelict properties do not seem particularly keen on having them used.

[OneNamedNameLess]

No. There was a ridiculous, waste of time, court case against the snootiest solicitor ever presided over by this judge who must have been hand picked from fucking toff land. Apparently there were a number of other places which also had problems.

The robber barons who own derelict properties do not seem particularly keen on having them used.

Are there many squats in Brighton at all Jazzratt?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yeah, I'm living in a "proper" place at the moment, although in a week or two I'm going to be moving to new flat.

[bellyscratch]

Yeah, I'm living in a "proper" place at the moment, although in a week or two I'm going to be moving to new flat.
Sell out :p

[eyedrop]

Wouldn't it rather be anti-sell-out since it costs money?

[Sam_b]

Can we close this?

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Closed.