You Guys Must Hate Pop Superstars?

[ebeneezer]

Because theyre all capitalists?

I mean I have no problem with musicians getting billions of dollars if need be according to the INCENTIVE system, (no public funding necessary see? All funding should be incentive!)

Consider Hillary Duff. They computerise her voice to make it seem she is an amazing singer.

[http://]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_raySm5nA&search=our%20lips%20are%20sealed[/http://]

Would communists do this? I seriously doubt it. Communism=inferior music.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

I hate pop music because most of it's anodyne rubbish. The shitloads of cash they is pretty revolting though.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 12:51 PM
Because theyre all capitalists?

I mean I have no problem with musicians getting billions of dollars if need be according to the INCENTIVE system, (no public funding necessary see? All funding should be incentive!)

Consider Hillary Duff. They computerise her voice to make it seem she is an amazing singer.

[http://]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_raySm5nA&search=our%20lips%20are%20sealed[/http://]

Would communists do this? I seriously doubt it. Communism=inferior music.
Are you trying to win the worst thread of the year award or something?


Communism=inferior music.

ebeneezer=10thratecappiecomedian

The idea of 'superstars' of any sort is obviously abhorrent to people intent on equality for all.

Which even a dimwit like you must understand.

So what is the point of this thread?

Except as a 'wind-up'.

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by Si Pinto+Jul 22 2006, 01:26 PM--> (Si Pinto @ Jul 22 2006, 01:26 PM)
[email protected] 22 2006, 12:51 PM
Because theyre all capitalists?

I mean I have no problem with musicians getting billions of dollars if need be according to the INCENTIVE system, (no public funding necessary see? All funding should be incentive!)

Consider Hillary Duff. They computerise her voice to make it seem she is an amazing singer.

[http://]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_raySm5nA&search=our%20lips%20are%20sealed[/http://]

Would communists do this? I seriously doubt it. Communism=inferior music.
Are you trying to win the worst thread of the year award or something?


Communism=inferior music.

ebeneezer=10thratecappiecomedian

The idea of 'superstars' of any sort is obviously abhorrent to people intent on equality for all.

Which even a dimwit like you must understand.

So what is the point of this thread?

Except as a 'wind-up'. [/b]
Well the point is that, so far 2/3000 communists here hate superstars. I find this abhorrent. Anyone else? Or can we deem based upon this statistically insignificant population sample that communism is the enemy of capialist musicians who would not exist were it not for the money?

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 07:51 AM
Because theyre all capitalists?

I mean I have no problem with musicians getting billions of dollars if need be according to the INCENTIVE system, (no public funding necessary see? All funding should be incentive!)

Consider Hillary Duff. They computerise her voice to make it seem she is an amazing singer.

[http://]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_raySm5nA&search=our%20lips%20are%20sealed[/http://]

Would communists do this? I seriously doubt it. Communism=inferior music.
Well, whether you were trying for the Worst Thread of the Year Award or not, you've won it. Most people hate pop music anyway, and generally pop music = pop artists.

[RaiseYourVoice]

most communist or for that matter also capitalists probably dont give a fuck about this thread

[Ol' Dirty]

I dislike pop "superstars" because their music sucks. That's the main reason. I'd rather listen to Osama Bin Laden talk about how much he hates infidels... or listen to how much George Bush hates infidels.

[Dean]

Though I do not wish death per se upon pop stars, I do wish that they be cast from their place of priviledge and fame. The argument on content is not relevant; Chumbawamba and Snog, the latter of which I've played for many with only positive responses, are communists.

When Ramallah proclaimed, "kill a celebrity," the statement was well - received.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 01:32 PM
Well the point is that, so far 2/3000 communists here hate superstars. I find this abhorrent. Anyone else? Or can we deem based upon this statistically insignificant population sample that communism is the enemy of capialist musicians who would not exist were it not for the money?
So someone only makes music to make money out of it?

Someone only invents something to make money out of it?

Rollocks (as they say in sailing)

[RevSouth]

As it turns out, some people make music, just because they love to make music. These are the ones I listen to.

[Whitten]

Musicians in it for the money = crap

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by RedSouth
As it turns out, some people make music, just because they love to make music. These are the ones I listen to.
Yeah really. They tend to be the best musicians anyways.

You see, in a communist world, there would still be good music and crappy music. But you wouldn't have people hyping up crappy music just to make money. People would choose, through a process of trial and error, what they like to listen to, and over time the best music will become the most popular, because it sounds better than the rest of the music, with no interference from record labels or MTV or any other moneyed powers pushing a manufactured product.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don't hate popstars. They merely bore me with their crappy, over-hyped music and radio friendly stylings. And it's all recycled crap.

[which doctor]

Pop superstars suck because they make shitty music. They are motivated by money, which makes their music not art.

When a musician is motivated by love and passion, then their music can be considered art.

[Orange Juche]

The one thing that comes to mind right now is the dude that recently won American Idol.

On the SUV commercial. How much of a fucking cash whore with no soul do you have to be to do these fucking things?

[Zero]

Well, its apparently obvious that the only people Capitalists understand is those few musicians who are in the business to make money, rather than produce quality music.

Look at Led Zep, look at The Beatles, look at Jimmi. Do they need computers to make their music any better? Fuck no. They were musicians who changed the world of music one song at a time. Why did they do this? Because they were good at it. If they weren't getting paid, would they do it anyway? Yes.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 06:19 PM
Look at Led Zep, look at The Beatles, look at Jimmi. Do they need computers to make their music any better? Fuck no.
:rolleyes: Dude, it's perfectly possible to make awesome music using computers.

[ebeneezer]

Thanks for all the input people. Now although its still not statistically significant, nor a proper test, I think we can conclude you guys dont like superstars. I find this madenning. But there must be many you like? I mean you cant all hate Britney, Hilary and Ashley. They are pop Goddesses who deserve every cent for their contributions. You see, by supplying millions with entertainment, they are in effect doing the work of millions, which is why they are paid the wage of millions. It is this incentive which leads to the quality of all bestselling books, all inventions, all good art, and the reason communism will never cater to the needs of the masses. This is why capitalism is so good and communism is so so bad.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 11:28 PM
Thanks for all the input people. Now although its still not statistically significant, nor a proper test, I think we can conclude you guys dont like superstars.
:o Give this man a cigar! He's worked it out!


I find this madenning.
And here you and I part ways...
Maddenening you say?

But there must be many you like? I mean you cant all hate Britney, Hilary and Ashley. Noep, No, Not at all. Any others?


They are pop Goddesses who deserve every cent for their contributions. :lol: Ahaahahahahahaha. 'contributions.' Stop that, you're killing me.


You see, by supplying millions with entertainment, they are in effect doing the work of millions, They still do the same amount of work, even if only one person was entertained. Their 'labour' consists of waiting for somone to write them a song, learning it and then singing it. THen they can spend the rest of their time sitting on their ares or lip-synching on 'tour'.


It is this incentive which leads to the quality of all bestselling books, BAH. I've read many things surpassing the quality of most published books writtten by people who simply know how to write well and derive pleasure from it

all inventions, All? I doubt it. Some, but not all. Not even Most.

all good art, Depends what 'art' is
and the reason communism will never cater to the needs of the masses. Yes it can, the incentive is that the people doing it like doing it, therfore it will be superior.

This is why capitalism is so good and communism is so so bad. From whence this conculison?

[ebeneezer]

Noep, No, Not at all. Any others?
Beatls, Stones, Oasis, Radiohead, Jessica, Imbroglia, Kylie? You must like Kylie!

All big time capitalitsts.


Ahaahahahahahaha. 'contributions.' Stop that, you're killing me.
Note they only get contributions from those who like them? Unlike socialism where you are funding the poetry society?



This is why capitalism is so good and communism is so so bad.

From whence this conculison?
No incentive system. U must concede this.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 11:53 PM

This is why capitalism is so good and communism is so so bad.

From whence this conculison?
No incentive system. U must concede this.
Is that what your here for?

It is isn't it?

You think your here to try and rescue us from our 'commie dark side'.

Forget it.

Creative people don't do it for money.

If you were at all creative you'd know that.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 11:53 PM
Kylie? You must like Kylie!

Must I?




Ahaahahahahahaha. 'contributions.' Stop that, you're killing me.
Note they only get contributions from those who like them? Unlike socialism where you are funding the poetry society? What the hell are you babbling about? 'Funding the poetry society?' Can I have some of whatever you're smoking.




This is why capitalism is so good and communism is so so bad.

From whence this conculison?
No incentive system. U must concede this. No system of debt tokens. Incentive is not just 'I'll be rich if I do this.'.

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by Si Pinto+Jul 22 2006, 11:56 PM--> (Si Pinto @ Jul 22 2006, 11:56 PM)
[email protected] 22 2006, 11:53 PM

This is why capitalism is so good and communism is so so bad.

From whence this conculison?
No incentive system. U must concede this.
Is that what your here for?

It is isn't it?

You think your here to try and rescue us from our 'commie dark side'.

Forget it.

Creative people don't do it for money.

If you were at all creative you'd know that. [/b]
Actually, capitalism is the dark side. It is a pure fact the more right wing you are the more you think everyone else is evil. The more left you are the more you think everyone else is good. Capitalism is individuality and selfishness. Although, if you start to hate me, you too will find yourself joining!! Oh You dont know the power of the capitalist side!!!

Jazzratt:

ELO, Maroon 5, U2, Duran Duran, various one hit wonders ? You must love somebody!!!!


What the hell are you babbling about? 'Funding the poetry society?' Can I have some of whatever you're smoking.

Its a well known fact socialism funds ridiculous things.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by ebeneezer+Jul 23 2006, 12:06 AM--> (ebeneezer @ Jul 23 2006, 12:06 AM)
Originally posted by Si [email protected] 22 2006, 11:56 PM

[email protected] 22 2006, 11:53 PM

This is why capitalism is so good and communism is so so bad.

From whence this conculison?
No incentive system. U must concede this.
Is that what your here for?

It is isn't it?

You think your here to try and rescue us from our 'commie dark side'.

Forget it.

Creative people don't do it for money.

If you were at all creative you'd know that.
Actually, capitalism is the dark side. It is a pure fact the more right wing you are the more you think everyone else is evil. The more left you are the more you think everyone else is good. Capitalism is individuality and selfishness. Although, if you start to hate me, you too will find yourself joining!! Oh You dont know the power of the capitalist side!!!s things. [/b]
Very nice speech. Shame it has absolutley no merit. Just because we hate you doesn't mean we'll become capitalists because of it. I hate lots of people, I still think that our society should be more free and fair.



Jazzratt:

ELO, Maroon 5, U2, Duran Duran, various one hit wonders ? You must love somebody!!!! The bands I love aren't in it for the money.



What the hell are you babbling about? 'Funding the poetry society?' Can I have some of whatever you're smoking.

Its a well known fact socialism funds ridiculous things On the evidence of? The great government ministry of your arse I imagine.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:06 AM
Actually, capitalism is the dark side. It is a pure fact the more right wing you are the more you think everyone else is evil. The more left you are the more you think everyone else is good. Capitalism is individuality and selfishness. Although, if you start to hate me, you too will find yourself joining!! Oh You dont know the power of the capitalist side!!!
Yep....just like I thought...another delinquent cappie wanking over his poster of Darth Vader.

But he realised his mistake and returned to the good side!!!









But then he had brains.

[ebeneezer]

Jazzratt. Ok, who do you like? Anyone famous or smalltime stuff?


Very nice speech. Shame it has absolutley no merit. Just because we hate you doesn't mean we'll become capitalists because of it. I hate lots of people, I still think that our society should be more free and fair.
Feel free to hate me more. Go on, unleash your hatred upon me and your transformation to the dark side of capitlaism will be complete.

Si Pinto


Yep....just like I thought...another delinquent cappie wanking over his poster of Darth Vader.

But he realised his mistake and returned to the good side!!!
At the price of death from his master. You should know this.


But then he had brains
If you had brains why do you turn to communism? Can't you survive in our cruel cruel Dickensian world? I can.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:19 AM
Jazzratt. Ok, who do you like? Anyone famous or smalltime stuff?

Why is it your bussiness at all?
Small time for the most part, but I can respect the ability of famous muscians, if they play well.




Very nice speech. Shame it has absolutley no merit. Just because we hate you doesn't mean we'll become capitalists because of it. I hate lots of people, I still think that our society should be more free and fair.
Feel free to hate me more. Go on, unleash your hatred upon me and your transformation to the dark side of capitlaism will be complete. Hate you more? I hate you, there is no 'more' about it. One does not move from a planned economic model to a free market one simply because they hate some wanker on a message board. You Loony.



But then he had brains
If you had brains why do you turn to communism? Because they still work, unlike yours - evidently.

Can't you survive in our cruel cruel Dickensian world? I can. Go back to the 19th century where you belong then.

[ebeneezer]

Why is it your bussiness at all?
Small time for the most part, but I can respect the ability of famous muscians, if they play well.
I appreciate the honesty, but under a communist system we cant only have small time musicians because if they're really popular, won't they go nationwide? And if so, surely they will receive somthing of an unequal pampering? Just another reason why communism has utopian ideals?


Hate you more? I hate you, there is no 'more' about it. One does not move from a planned economic model to a free market one simply because they hate some wanker on a message board. You Loony.
You'd be surprised the power of phsychology over our economic systems.


Go back to the 19th century where you belong
Isnt communism a product of 19th century capitlaism?

[red team]

Hatred is irrelevant. Do I hate something that's obsolete? Nope. I throw it out as trash or something to be recycled. The good thing is with obsolete people like Capitalists, Imperialists, Racists, etc... that are senile and hardened in their thoughts is that they're biodegradable. Again, I don't hate trash that's irrelevant.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:38 AM

Why is it your bussiness at all?
Small time for the most part, but I can respect the ability of famous muscians, if they play well.
I appreciate the honesty, but under a communist system we cant only have small time musicians because if they're really popular, won't they go nationwide?
Yep, they would.


And if so, surely they will receive somthing of an unequal pampering? Just another reason why communism has utopian ideals? Respect is not the same as having more money than another person. Their only tangible benefits would be {perhaps} travel - which anyone could do anyway. - they would do it for their love of music and all they would gain is respect and appreciation.


You'd be surprised the power of phsychology over our economic systems. Proof? Or is this just another unfounded, asinine and wild claim?


Isnt communism a product of 19th century capitlaism? Pure Marxism is but you would be hard pressed to find one today as the theory is adapted consantly to fit with changing realities in the world outside. Rigid dogma has no place in communism.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:38 AM

Why is it your bussiness at all?
Small time for the most part, but I can respect the ability of famous muscians, if they play well.
I appreciate the honesty, but under a communist system we cant only have small time musicians because if they're really popular, won't they go nationwide? And if so, surely they will receive somthing of an unequal pampering? Just another reason why communism has utopian ideals?


Hate you more? I hate you, there is no 'more' about it. One does not move from a planned economic model to a free market one simply because they hate some wanker on a message board. You Loony.
You'd be surprised the power of phsychology over our economic systems.


Go back to the 19th century where you belong
Isnt communism a product of 19th century capitlaism?
Why did you give yourself the name Ebeneezer? Even he saw the wrong in 'I'm all right Jack' capitalism at the end of the story, or haven't you actually read Dickens, you just thought it would be a cool, rad, provocative nickname. Well maybe it would...to other people with a similarly hampered mental state.

It's like trying to have a conversation with a loony capitalist induced speaking clock.

You just keep repeating the same stupid infantile lines over and over again.

Get a life for fucks sake.

[chimx]

i don't really like that hillary duff song... but that one that is all, "london, paris, maybe tokyo"... i LOVE that song. rawr!

[Zero]

The only way I would ever listen to any Hillary Duff song is if it was a music video on mute. I absolutely hate that garbage. Same with most bands today, their music is completely recyclable. They find one style of playing, singing, or whatever and use it constantly throughout every single song. The only band that does this that I like anymore is Iron Maiden and AC/DC.

Ohh, and by the way ebeneezer, you listed U2 as one of your 'one hit wonder' capitalist bands. Well... Bono has been contributing most of his money to AIDs research, and preventive medicine. He was one of the people behind getting the (I think) 4 billion dollar AIDs distribution system up and running in Africa. Hardly a Capitalist.

[YSR]

Guys, leave poor Ebeneezer alone. I'me pretty sure he's just copying Ann Coulter, another satire on the rightwing. He's a comrade!

[chimx]

wait, what's wrong with hillary duff?

[RebelDog]

Because theyre all capitalists?

Unless a popstar can be linked to the means of production then they are not capitalist!

[The Sloth]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 12:51 PM
Because theyre all capitalists?

I mean I have no problem with musicians getting billions of dollars if need be according to the INCENTIVE system, (no public funding necessary see? All funding should be incentive!)

Consider Hillary Duff. They computerise her voice to make it seem she is an amazing singer.

[http://]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_raySm5nA&search=our%20lips%20are%20sealed[/http://]

Would communists do this? I seriously doubt it. Communism=inferior music.
most pop music is shit.

this isn't, i'm afraid, a simple matter of taste, but a matter of clear, precise objectives.. assuming, of course, that we share the same ideas on art.

[Zero]

I agree, it isn't just simply a matter of taste. I remember when I was about 10 I liked that hard fast rock, like Limp Bizkit, and Rob Zombie. I still somewhat like some of Zombie's slower stuff, or White Zombie, just for playing FPSes and stuff (theres no better FPS music than Disturbed, White Zombie, and Drowning Pool.) But when I want to relax, or when I want to listen to some real music, I throw on the folk stuff, or the classic rock. You can't beat music that was made when making music was more then just simply pressing buttons. ;)

[Vladislav]

I fucking hate Paris Hilton. She's not hot, she's a very bad singer, she's lazy. Fuck I hate her.

[encephalon]

I enjoy music to an unprecedented degree.

[Dean]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 03:21 AM
The only way I would ever listen to any Hillary Duff song is if it was a music video on mute. I absolutely hate that garbage. Same with most bands today, their music is completely recyclable. They find one style of playing, singing, or whatever and use it constantly throughout every single song. The only band that does this that I like anymore is Iron Maiden and AC/DC.

Ohh, and by the way ebeneezer, you listed U2 as one of your 'one hit wonder' capitalist bands. Well... Bono has been contributing most of his money to AIDs research, and preventive medicine. He was one of the people behind getting the (I think) 4 billion dollar AIDs distribution system up and running in Africa. Hardly a Capitalist.
Bono is a cocksucker. Charity doesn't make up for their excessively selfish nature.

[Invader Zim]

I find a lot of the best bands are not comercially successful.

[Zero]

Originally posted by "Dean"
Bono is a cocksucker. Charity doesn't make up for their excessively selfish nature.
He is excessively rich, and selfish. However he is dedicating quite a lot of time and resources to help fight the spread of AIDS. I don't care what background you come from, thats progressive thinking in my book. Reguardless of what he did to accumulate wealth, he has spent most of it saving the lives of hundreds of working class people in South Africa, and other places where AIDs has affected 1 in 3 people.

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 11:53 PM

Beatls, Stones, Oasis, Radiohead, Jessica, Imbroglia, Kylie? You must like Kylie!

All big time capitalitsts.

Bullshit, the beatles were all leftists.

Have you ever listened to any of John Lennon's solo music?

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Ebeneezer - Don't make me chuckle. Let's think about some of Britney Spears' "contributions", which is an unreasonable stretch of the word contribution. "Oops I did it again"? Thanks for that Britney, you *****. And she makes how many millions?

-Alex

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 01:46 AM
i don't really like that hillary duff song... but that one that is all, "london, paris, maybe tokyo"... i LOVE that song. rawr!
OH! You LIKE that 'song' DO YOU?

Try telling that to this chick...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBx436TYdW8...y%20duff%20hate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBx436TYdW8&search=hilary%20duff%20hate)

Anyway yeah, John Lennon was a socialist, I know, Or was he just a trendie? Anyway, he was still pretty rich right?

And, Burntheolive tree, I happen to like Britney. I appreciate her contributions to popular culture.

[encephalon]

Radiohead also tilts leftwards.. not that it matters, really. Saying that no politically motivated music is worthwhile is like beethoven or mozart didn't add anything to music. Most bands of today are products of the material circumstances that bore them, and that's that.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Ebeneezer - She is an insult to music, and art as a whole. She produces vacuous, meaningless, synthesized horseshit. She is just another fake-tanned airhead clogging up the airwaves. Why in blue hell do you support her \"contributions to pop culture\"? I suppose you like 50 cent aswell? Who could forget that ever poignant line, \"You\'ll find me in da club\"? He should get some kind of award for his services to mediocrity, perhaps \"The Universal award for the lowest of the low\".

-Alex

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by ebeneez[email protected] 24 2006, 08:54 AM
Anyway yeah, John Lennon was a socialist, I know, Or was he just a trendie? Anyway, he was still pretty rich right?
He was a full-scale Trot as far as I'm aware. Yes he was rich but by the 70s I think he pretty much hated what he had become. When his son Sean was born he gave gave Sean all the toys he wanted and spoiled him rotten in the hope that as he got older he'd be less materialistic. Apparently it worked because by the early 80s Sean's favourite toy was a couple of sticks (or something).

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 08:43 AM
Ebeneezer - She is an insult to music, and art as a whole. She produces vacuous, meaningless, synthesized horseshit. She is just another fake-tanned airhead clogging up the airwaves. Why in blue hell do you support her \"contributions to pop culture\"? I suppose you like 50 cent aswell? Who could forget that ever poignant line, \"You\'ll find me in da club\"? He should get some kind of award for his services to mediocrity, perhaps \"The Universal award for the lowest of the low\".

-Alex
I dont like rap. Rap is bad and is not even music. It should never have been 'invented'. But Britney is pretty good. Her music is tops despite what you say.

Anyway, my original point was that whoever enjoys the hits cant be a communist because communism disallows the financial rewards which make mass music feasible.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 12:26 PM
I dont like rap. Rap is bad and is not even music. It should never have been 'invented'. But Britney is pretty good. Her music is tops despite what you say.

:lol: Right, rap is awful and meaningless crap like Britney is the epoch of our musical evolution? Methinkd you're full of shite. Speaking of which, your nect point also made me laugh:


Anyway, my original point was that whoever enjoys the hits cant be a communist because communism disallows the financial rewards which make mass music feasible. We can't be communist because we like certian types of music? Somehow supporting a progressive political system precludes liking certian types of music? That's just bloody stupid - you may as well argue that all communists shouldn't eat food or live in houses; after all we don't support the system that created them. THe reason nmost people don't make these ludicrous arguments is they realise most communists are pragmatic.

I feel like I've just wasted my time writing that message as you'll inevitabley type the same drivelly shite as you usually do.

[Vladislav]

I hate Britney and Paris Hilton.

<3 John Lennon. Working Class Hero is a mad song.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 12:26 PM
Anyway, my original point was that whoever enjoys the hits cant be a communist because communism disallows the financial rewards which make mass music feasible.
Not only is this guy the proud owner of the &#39;worst thread of the year&#39; award but he doesn&#39;t even have the brains to let it drop.

&#39;Mass music&#39; is &#39;feasible&#39; as soon as the &#39;masses&#39; want to listen to it, it has nothing to do with financial reward for the musician.

The REAL reward for a musician is to have their music appreciated by others, not because it raked in money.

Most musicians don&#39;t make a penny but still produce music, some of it brilliant (I know I work amongst people like this).

And as for your &#39;love&#39; for Britney&#39;s &#39;music&#39;, if Britney looked like Slash would you still be in &#39;love&#39; with it? Doubt it.

[ebeneezer]

Jazzratt:


I feel like I&#39;ve just wasted my time writing that message as you&#39;ll inevitabley type the same drivelly shite as you usually do.
I&#39;ve made my point, I think you guys understand it and I&#39;ll allow you some time for you guys to dwell upon its significence.

Si Pinto:

And as for your &#39;love&#39; for Britney&#39;s &#39;music&#39;, if Britney looked like Slash would you still be in &#39;love&#39; with it? Doubt it.
Ok, you have a fair point. I only really like &#39;hit me baby one more time&#39; or whatever its called from 1997. Her stuff went downhill a little. Anyway, she&#39;s still hot and there is nothing you jealous people can do about it.

[bezdomni]

Anyway, she&#39;s still hot and there is nothing you jealous people can do about it.
Have you seen her lately? I wouldn&#39;t touch her with a 20-foot pole.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 02:09 PM
Jazzratt:


I feel like I&#39;ve just wasted my time writing that message as you&#39;ll inevitabley type the same drivelly shite as you usually do.
I&#39;ve made my point, I think you guys understand it and I&#39;ll allow you some time for you guys to dwell upon its significence.
I understand you perfectly. I just disagree with you.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 01:09 PM
I&#39;ve made my point, I think you guys understand it and I&#39;ll allow you some time for you guys to dwell upon its significence.
Oh we understand your point all right....and your award is in the post.

As for dwelling on it&#39;s significance...I&#39;d sooner dwell in a sewage farm.

[General Patton]

They don&#39;t hate pop stars because they exist as the intelligensia. What these people have a problem with is actual talent and ability. You see when someone creates something that is actually important and has the capacity to change the course of human history they don&#39;t like it, especially if that person makes a profit for his success in the realm of ideas. However, when somebody gets rich based on nothingness and by appealling to human stupidity they rally behind that person, especially if they foment the same communist garbage as them.

[Zero]

Originally posted by "General Patton"
They don&#39;t hate pop stars because they exist as the intelligensia. What these people have a problem with is actual talent and ability. You see when someone creates something that is actually important and has the capacity to change the course of human history they don&#39;t like it, especially if that person makes a profit for his success in the realm of ideas. However, when somebody gets rich based on nothingness and by appealling to human stupidity they rally behind that person, especially if they foment the same communist garbage as them.

If you had bothered to actually read the whole topic you would see the exact opposite. :rolleyes:

[General Patton]

If you had bothered to actually read the whole topic you would see the exact opposite.

Perhaps I would have seen that, but I definitely wouldn&#39;t have been fooled by it.

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by ebeneezer+Jul 22 2006, 11:28 PM--> (ebeneezer @ Jul 22 2006, 11:28 PM) Thanks for all the input people. Now although its still not statistically significant, nor a proper test, I think we can conclude you guys dont like superstars. I find this madenning. But there must be many you like? I mean you cant all hate Britney, Hilary and Ashley. They are pop Goddesses who deserve every cent for their contributions. You see, by supplying millions with entertainment, they are in effect doing the work of millions, which is why they are paid the wage of millions. It is this incentive which leads to the quality of all bestselling books, all inventions, all good art, and the reason communism will never cater to the needs of the masses. This is why capitalism is so good and communism is so so bad. [/b]
I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve laughed so hard in a while... Someone&#39;s obviously a high school student who just read some Dickens...


Dean
Bono is a cocksucker. Charity doesn&#39;t make up for their excessively selfish nature.
What&#39;s wrong with sucking cock?

[General Patton]

They are pop Goddesses who deserve every cent for their contributions.

Actually, he&#39;s right. It&#39;s called economic rent. It&#39;s defined as a return on an investment, or effort, that is above the rate of return on an alternative endeavor. A pop star or sports celebrity could probably get a job doing something else, but are encouraged into a line of work that benefits many others who are willing to pay for their special talents by the large dividends that are seen if they are a success in one of these fields. It encourages competition and results in a supposedly higher caliber of applicants. However, I think that it could be argued and won that the record industry has made some crucial mistakes in perverting the nature of the industry. Instead of letting the free market decide what is popular they are trying to use the industry as a socialization tool and have thus gone into the business of telling people what they should like and what is popular. The music quality and the dividends paid to record labels and the artists are sure to continue to plummet until they start getting back to the competitive ideals that made the industry great in the first place.

[Morag]

Meh. Hilary Duff I&#39;ll give a pass because she seems to actually enjoy music and is much more likable then the other popstars, and, if my brilliant fifteen year-old cousin can be believed, is actually improving and writing some of her own stuff now. I&#39;ll even admit to appreciating some of... er... Christina Agusomething? Britney hasn&#39;t done anything good since her Mickey Mouse days, and being a poorly dressed blonde is no excuse.

But there&#39;s a difference between pop music nowadays, which is created to appeal to a wide base while saying nothing of importance to maintain sales and advertising opportunities, and pop music when it meant "popular." For instance, Ella FitzGerald was extremely popular and talented and loved music; Louie Armstrong too, and countless other people who revolutionised music in the era before television began to make it about looks. The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Jim Morrison, CCR, Janis Joplin (voted the best-looking man at her college) all made great music without worrying about money overly much. Kurt Cobain, with Nirvana, revolutionised the scene in the 90s. Funny how so many of these great musicians saw the fame and fortune as a negative, something to escape from. They didn&#39;t care about the incentives.

That isn&#39;t to say that the incentive to make some money doesn&#39;t ring in every artists&#39; mind. People need to eat and they&#39;d like to live in good homes, ect. But the point is that some of our greatest musical legends have not wanted the attention nor the massive amounts of money and several (arguably) died from a result of it. So many other "popstars" have proven to be completely incapable of managing their "incentive" that their constantly ducking creditors and have to constantly make more and more crap music (even if their supremely talented in the beginning) that their careers can be best described as unfulfilling burdens.

Plus, sometimes great success leads to the destruction of the creative force that propelled people to music in the first place. In other cases, success leads to the break-up of very successful creative partnerships. Sometimes, when initial success isn&#39;t followed up the next time around, people who loved working together stop doing so in an attempt to make more money.

So, no. I don&#39;t hate pop-stars. I hate the system that creates them.

[General Patton]

Britney hasn&#39;t done anything good since her Mickey Mouse days, and being a poorly dressed blonde is no excuse.

Yeah, but I would f*ck her. She&#39;d definitely be better suited for the porn industry.

[Morag]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 25 2006, 06:51 AM

Britney hasn&#39;t done anything good since her Mickey Mouse days, and being a poorly dressed blonde is no excuse.

Yeah, but I would f*ck her. She&#39;d definitely be better suited for the porn industry.
That&#39;s lame. And disgusting. And not surprising. She&#39;s built her fortune on mimicing the sexuality of her choreographers... She&#39;s probably dead boring in bed, if you think of it.

[ebeneezer]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 25 2006, 06:36 AM

They are pop Goddesses who deserve every cent for their contributions.

Actually, he&#39;s right. It&#39;s called economic rent. It&#39;s defined as a return on an investment, or effort, that is above the rate of return on an alternative endeavor. A pop star or sports celebrity could probably get a job doing something else, but are encouraged into a line of work that benefits many others who are willing to pay for their special talents by the large dividends that are seen if they are a success in one of these fields. It encourages competition and results in a supposedly higher caliber of applicants. However, I think that it could be argued and won that the record industry has made some crucial mistakes in perverting the nature of the industry. Instead of letting the free market decide what is popular they are trying to use the industry as a socialization tool and have thus gone into the business of telling people what they should like and what is popular. The music quality and the dividends paid to record labels and the artists are sure to continue to plummet until they start getting back to the competitive ideals that made the industry great in the first place.
EXACTLY&#33; Hole in one.

This is something way above these guy&#39;s heads. They&#39;ll never get it.


Yeah, but I would f*ck her. She&#39;d definitely be better suited for the porn industry.
I steadfastly agree to both those sentiments. But I would like her to stay in music as well.

[Zero]

Ahh, CCR. Now theres some good old time rock and roll.

[Morag]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 07:18 AM
Ahh, CCR. Now theres some good old time rock and roll.
Agreed. Brilliant, soulful, and at the same time, totally popular in a way that modernday "popstars" could never hope to emulate. Some groups nowadays share the same type of elements, but tCCR just had something so special.

[B.E. Jones]

Fuck Britney and the bimbos who choose to emulate her.

Throw me som classics: Little Richard, Marvin Gaye, Ray Charles, Beatles, Hendrix, and that dude who did "Kiss to build a dream on"

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by B.E. [email protected] 25 2006, 07:47 AM
and that dude who did "Kiss to build a dream on"
Louis Armstrong I think.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

General Patton - I love the comment about human stupidity, especially coupled with support of Britney. Excuse me while I drown in a tsunami of irony. :lol:

-Alex

[Dean]

Originally posted by Zero+Jul 23 2006, 05:32 PM--> (Zero @ Jul 23 2006, 05:32 PM)
"Dean"
Bono is a cocksucker. Charity doesn&#39;t make up for their excessively selfish nature.
He is excessively rich, and selfish. However he is dedicating quite a lot of time and resources to help fight the spread of AIDS. I don&#39;t care what background you come from, thats progressive thinking in my book. Reguardless of what he did to accumulate wealth, he has spent most of it saving the lives of hundreds of working class people in South Africa, and other places where AIDs has affected 1 in 3 people. [/b]
Progressive implies a focus on change. Charity is not change, though in conjunction with an attempt at change it can be realistic. Giving money is not providing change; calling for reform - no, fighting for reform - is promoting change. He may have a genuine concern, but if this makes him progressive than similar charities by Bill Gates make him even more progressive. Do you love him now?

[ebeneezer]

OK&#33; WTF&#33; I have just seen a new pic of Britney and OMG&#33; She&#39;s even fatter than I am&#33; And sh&#39;es got wrinkes&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; AAAAARRRHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; When did this happen? And where did the boobs come from? Yep, she would no longer be my first choice in a nightclub. But hey, girls age fast right?

I just watched &#39;baby one more time&#39; and its not as good as I remember for some reason as well...so you guys do have a point.

And WhyTF do some people age so fast and others don&#39;t? I&#39;m supposed to be the same age as her and thanks&#39; to the longevity genes of both my parents I havn&#39;t aged a bit and after I shave I allegedly look 16 and they don&#39;t let me buy alcohol. Suffer you mortals&#33; And some guys are like 19 and have wrinkles? One of my best friends looks 40 and is 26&#33;And some are 30 and have no wrinkels&#33; This has been freaking me out for some time now...

In my humble experience, if you are 25 and are a girl, you have a 60% chance of being over it&#33; T/F? Discuss. Britney certainly is...

[Zero]

Originally posted by "Dean"
Progressive implies a focus on change. Charity is not change, though in conjunction with an attempt at change it can be realistic. Giving money is not providing change; calling for reform - no, fighting for reform - is promoting change. He may have a genuine concern, but if this makes him progressive than similar charities by Bill Gates make him even more progressive. Do you love him now?
No I don&#39;t love Bono, and I never have. I have however seen his direct contributions to syphon off the spread of HIV/AIDS. I hate the system just as much as anybody here alright? I however don&#39;t see the reason in letting this dislike for the system stop you from spreading prevention for such a widespread disease. In South Africa 1 in 3 people have HIV, or have a partner with HIV. There is so much death that could have been prevented if not for widespread Condom use. If this charity didn&#39;t exist... I don&#39;t even want to know the death toll.