Tired

[revolucionaria]

I am so tired of people saying things like:

You left people allways talk big but in the end you sit there and do nothing about anything.


Well , maybe, we all do as good as we can? Like, lets say that you are a doctor and you're rich, well then you can travel around in different countries and help poor and needing people (like the you "Che" did), or if you are a teacher and have the possibilities you might travel around the world and teach unknowing kids.

But if you are just a simple proletarian with not that good economy, offcourse youre possibility to actually change things is much less.
Plus, i believe that many of the people that cannot affect the world by their occupation tries to affect things by joining groups and helping them get spread and things like that.

At the end we are all a part of the revolution to come.

Isnt that true?

[Whitten]

Do to the unique nature of the proletarian class, its revolution may only occur by popular uprising. All we can do to speed up the process is spread the movement to others.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 10:53 AM
I am so tired of people saying things like:

You left people allways talk big but in the end you sit there and do nothing about anything.

Why not just tell them what organisations you're in and what you do? If you are inactive, then im afraid their criticism is 100% solid. And I'd also like throw it at you.


Well , maybe, we all do as good as we can? Like, lets say that you are a doctor and you're rich, well then you can travel around in different countries and help poor and needing people (like the you "Che" did), or if you are a teacher and have the possibilities you might travel around the world and teach unknowing kids.

That's not revolutionary, that petty-bourgeoisie charity work.


But if you are just a simple proletarian with not that good economy, offcourse youre possibility to actually change things is much less.

No it's not.


Plus, i believe that many of the people that cannot affect the world by their occupation tries to affect things by joining groups and helping them get spread and things like that.

Well, the only alternatives to proletarian organisation are a) to surrender b) to try and change capitalism from within. Neither will actually achieve anything.


At the end we are all a part of the revolution to come.

Isnt that true?

We are all actively part of the revolution now, or maybe you're not?

[revolucionaria]

Why not just tell them what organisations you're in and what you do? If you are inactive, then im afraid their criticism is 100% solid. And I'd also like throw it at you.

Well first off i can tell you one thing, i've seen and heard that question a lot but its not directed at me, maybe because people know how much work i have put in my revolutionary believes, and just so you know i am in a organisation here in Turkey, and i have also started filming a documentary about the police in western countries. So dont tell me that im not doing anything.



That's not revolutionary, that petty-bourgeoisie charity work.
So you are telling me that, when Chavez called in all those doctors from Cuba, it was only bourgeoise charity work;)? And Che was a bourgeoisie charity worker, and not a revolutionarian?



No it's not.

Yes it is:)
Maybe not MUCH less but less. Because if you are rich that gives you money, money gives you ease, sadly enough it is like that.




Well, the only alternatives to proletarian organisation are a) to surrender b) to try and change capitalism from within. Neither will actually achieve anything.

Is that how you see it?




Isnt that true?

yes it is.

[Clarksist]

Well first off i can tell you one thing, i've seen and heard that question a lot but its not directed at me, maybe because people know how much work i have put in my revolutionary believes, and just so you know i am in a organisation here in Turkey, and i have also started filming a documentary about the police in western countries. So dont tell me that im not doing anything.

He isn't.

He was simply stating that to rebuke it, explain your work to them, and if you aren't... then you would deserve criticism.


And Che was a bourgeoisie charity worker, and not a revolutionarian?

Che fought in a revolution.

That doesn't mean that doing charity work before hand trumps that.

(P.S. revolutionarian?)


Maybe not MUCH less but less. Because if you are rich that gives you money, money gives you ease, sadly enough it is like that.

Money also gives you profile and convienient ignorance.

We need to stop imagining capitalism as omnipotent. The proletarian can fuck shit up as good as any other group. In fact, they do it better. :)


Is that how you see it?

Name other solutions then.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 10:34 PM
(P.S. revolutionarian?)
You know what he meant.

To the topic at hand, all comrades have some means of resistance available to them.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 08:09 PM
Well first off i can tell you one thing, i've seen and heard that question a lot but its not directed at me, maybe because people know how much work i have put in my revolutionary believes, and just so you know i am in a organisation here in Turkey, and i have also started filming a documentary about the police in western countries. So dont tell me that im not doing anything.
I didn't accuse you of anything, I said "if"


So you are telling me that, when Chavez called in all those doctors from Cuba, it was only bourgeoise charity work;)? And Che was a bourgeoisie charity worker, and not a revolutionarian?

No, what they have done and what you outlined in your original post sound different to me. So be clearer. Wither the aforementioned individuals are authoritarian shitheads, I wouldn't really want to associate myself with them.


Yes it is:)
Maybe not MUCH less but less. Because if you are rich that gives you money, money gives you ease, sadly enough it is like that.

No one in the ruling class is prepaired to betray their class, they act in their own economic self-interests. It is impossible to use the mechanisms of bourguiseie society against itself, refom, elelction and other classist processes simply can't be utilised by revolutionaries. And we're not going to strike gold anytime soon.


Is that how you see it?

That's how it is.

[revolucionaria]

Originally posted by Additives Free+Jul 23 2006, 10:55 AM--> (Additives Free @ Jul 23 2006, 10:55 AM)
[email protected] 22 2006, 08:09 PM
Well first off i can tell you one thing, i've seen and heard that question a lot but its not directed at me, maybe because people know how much work i have put in my revolutionary believes, and just so you know i am in a organisation here in Turkey, and i have also started filming a documentary about the police in western countries. So dont tell me that im not doing anything.
I didn't accuse you of anything, I said "if"


So you are telling me that, when Chavez called in all those doctors from Cuba, it was only bourgeoise charity work;)? And Che was a bourgeoisie charity worker, and not a revolutionarian?

No, what they have done and what you outlined in your original post sound different to me. So be clearer. Wither the aforementioned individuals are authoritarian shitheads, I wouldn't really want to associate myself with them.


Yes it is:)
Maybe not MUCH less but less. Because if you are rich that gives you money, money gives you ease, sadly enough it is like that.

No one in the ruling class is prepaired to betray their class, they act in their own economic self-interests. It is impossible to use the mechanisms of bourguiseie society against itself, refom, elelction and other classist processes simply can't be utilised by revolutionaries. And we're not going to strike gold anytime soon.


Is that how you see it?

That's how it is. [/b]
Well okey then

You do know that "che"s family was rich?

[loveme4whoiam]

You do know that "che"s family was rich?
What the hell does that have to do with anything?


No one in the ruling class is prepaired to betray their class, they act in their own economic self-interests. It is impossible to use the mechanisms of bourguiseie society against itself, refom, elelction and other classist processes simply can't be utilised by revolutionaries. And we're not going to strike gold anytime soon.
Damn right AF, the sooner the general populace understands this the quicker things will happen. All these people thinking "Well, Bush and Blair and co. may be fucking nutters, but its not the systems fault" need to be shown just how wrong they are. There. Thats a revolutionary activitu for you :D