Log in

View Full Version : Niccolo Machiavelli's Writings



Comrade-Z
21st July 2006, 10:22
(I'm not really sure if this goes in the history section or the theory section.)

Many of us are probably aware of how Machiavelli's writings constituted one of the first non-idealist and realist treatment of politics and political power. That in itself makes Machiavelli a useful contributor to understanding human society. However, I found this passage of Machiavelli's particularly interesting:


It is not unknown to me that many have been and still are of the opinion that the affairs of this world are so under the direction of Fortune and of God that man's prudence cannot control them; in fact, that man has no resource against them. For this reason many think there is no use in sweating much over such matters, but that one might as well let Chance take control. This opinion has been the more accepted in our times, because of the great changes in the state of the world that have been and now are seen every day, beyond all human surmise. And I myself, when thinking on these things, have now and then in some measure inclined to their view. Nevertheless, because the freedom of the will should not be wholly annulled, think it may be true that Fortune is arbiter of half of our actions, but that she still leaves the control of the other half, or about that, to us.

I liken her to one of those raging streams that, when they go mad, flood the plains, ruin the trees and the buildings, and take away the fields from one bank and put them down on the other. Everybody flees before them; everybody yields to their onrush without being able to resist anywhere. And though this is their nature, it does not cease to be true that, in calm weather, men can make some provisions against them with walls and dykes, so that, when the streams swell, their waters will go off through a canal, or their currents will not be so wild and do so much damage. The same is true of Fortune. She shows her power where there is no wise preparation for resisting her, and turns her fury where she knows that no walls and dykes have been made to hold her in. And if you consider Italy--the place where these variations occur and the cause that has set them in motion--you will see that she is a country without dykes and without any wall of defence. If, like Germany, Spain, and France, she had had a sufficient bulwark of military vigor, this hood would not have made the great changes it has, or would not have come at all.

In other words, contrary to the bourgeois myth of various subsequent political economists, people are not 100% "masters of their own fate," but find themselves placed in a certain material pretext which constrains what it is possible to do (and what it is possible to even imagine doing). But nor does God control all human affairs either, as some of Machiavelli's contemporaries still believed. Now here's the really interesting part:


This must suffice as regards opposition to fortune in general. But limiting myself more to particular cases, I would point out how one sees a certain prince to-day fortunate and to-morrow ruined, without seeing that he has changed in character or otherwise. I believe this arises in the first place from the causes that we have already discussed at length; that is to say, because the prince who bases himself entirely on fortune is ruined when fortune changes. I also believe that he is happy whose mode of procedure accords with the needs of the times, and similarly he is unfortunate whose mode of procedure is opposed to the times. For one sees that men in those things which lead them to the aim that each one has in view, namely, glory and riches [in other words, people operate out of perceived material self-interest and adapt their actions in accordance with the best "mode of procedure" for using one's material environment, such as technology and means of production, to attain one's goals.], proceed in various ways; one with circumspection, another with impetuosity, one by violence, another by cunning, one with patience, another with the reverse; and each by these diverse ways way arrive at his aim. One sees also two cautious men, one of whom succeeds in his designs, and the other not, and in the same way two men succeed equally by different methods, one being cautious, the other impetuous, which arises only from the nature of the times, which does or does not conform to their method of procedure. From this it results, as I have said, that two men, acting differently, attain the same effect, and of two others acting in the same way, one attains his goal and not the other. On this depend also the changes in prosperity, for it happens that time and circumstances are favorable to one who acts with caution and prudence he will be successful, but if time and circumstances change he will be ruined, because he does not change his mode of procedure.

Note that he is asserting that "circumstances change." He recognizes that societies are not static, and thus the dominance of rulers is not static either. Empires and social orders are not "eternal." And near the end here he is saying that rulers who do not change their "mode of procedure" (mode of production, basically) in accordance with the changing material circumstances become ruined. Senile and/or obsolete ruling classes, in other words. He continues discussing this:


No man is found so prudent as to be able to adapt himself to this, either because he cannot deviate from that to which his nature disposes him, or else because having always prospered by walking in one path, he cannot persuade himself that it is well to leave it; and therefore the cautious man, when it is time to act suddenly, does not know how to do so and is consequently ruined; for if one could change one's nature with time and circumstances, fortune would never change...I conclude then that fortune varying and men remaining fixed in their ways, they are successful so long as these ways conform to circumstances, but when they are opposed then they are unsuccessful.

Any thoughts? Does anybody know if Marx was familiar with Machiavelli in general and with The Prince in particular, and whether or not Marx was influenced by these ideas of Machiavelli's?

Ol' Dirty
21st July 2006, 23:28
This is truly rather interesting. It seems like a mirror image of Marx's writings.

RevolverNo9
22nd July 2006, 01:09
I'm not really sure that you have correctly interpreted what has been said in these excerpts... (I shall say now that I have not read Machiavelli first-hand.)

Firstly, your understanding of 'mode of procedure' is way of course, having been seduced by its similarity to a certain other phrase ('mode of production'). It just means 'way of acting'. In this section ('I also believe that he is happy whose mode of procedure accords with the needs of the times, and similarly he is unfortunate whose mode of procedure is opposed to the times') he is simply stating that those rulers who act (there is NO REFERENCE to technology or the means of production...) prudently in political situations - which are ever-shifting - with acknowledgement to contemporary cicrumstances will flourish.

In talking about the cicrumstances that a ruler finds and must act in accord with, Machiavelli is not talking (as you imply) about the overall historical economic-mode, but the chance and flux of contemporary politics. Bear in mind that Machiavelli is referring pirmiarily to political changes within his own time and context (Florence and the Northern Italian states) - now to a Marxist or a social-historian, such political flux is superficial (the Annalist historian Fernand Braudel described such events as ephemeral 'fire-flies'). These comments do not reference a historical materialist paradigm as drawn up by Marx.

It is a step in the right direction, as Machiavelli is recognising that men act in their own material interest. This is an advance in the materialist understaning of society. However, he did not go beyond this. He did not locate the essential historical dynamic (the economy). He did not distinguish what Marxists understand as 'superstructural' elements of society. He also continued to value the mystical power of 'events' and 'great people' on the course of history. For Machiavelli, the polity is driven on by the ruler, not the real, material movements of society and its economy.


In other words, contrary to the bourgeois myth of various subsequent political economists, people are not 100% "masters of their own fate," but find themselves placed in a certain material pretext which constrains what it is possible to do (and what it is possible to even imagine doing). But nor does God control all human affairs either, as some of Machiavelli's contemporaries still believed. Now here's the really interesting part:

To an extent you're right about this I think. But Machiavelli's thought here seems, essentially, to be part of the new bourgeois conception of historical agency (though, of course, it is not in line with much later capitalist individualist ideology). He is reacting (with some vehemence) against the old (loosely feudal) ideological mechanism that stated history was dictated by God and Fortune. He is actually asserting human agency in the place of mystical determination. You are right that he provides some insight by saying that human agency is curbed by nature but he does not rationally acount of material surroundings, merely attributing it once again to 'fortune'.

More fundamentally, the direction of human history is not found with society and the economy. We are still a long way off one of Marx's most fundamental maxims from 'The Eighteenth Brumaire...':

'Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.'

Comrade-Z
22nd July 2006, 01:32
Firstly, your understanding of 'mode of procedure' is way of course, having been seduced by its similarity to a certain other phrase ('mode of production'). It just means 'way of acting'.

Correct. I don't think Machiavelli "hit the nail on the head," but I do think we was "getting warm" with regards to formulating historical materialism. Remarkably warm, in fact, for the time period in which he lived and for how much he preceded Marx.


In talking about the cicrumstances that a ruler finds and must act in accord with, Machiavelli is not talking (as you imply) about the overall historical economic-mode, but the chance and flux of contemporary politics.

Right, but I think it is only a hop, skip, and a jump to go from being aware that small variations in circumstance affect the adequacy of an individual's method of rule to being aware that overall historical variations can do the same thing on an even larger class-wide scale. Like I said, I think Machiavelli was "getting warm" here.