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KC
20th July 2006, 18:09
If someone looks like he could use a meal, be warned: Giving him a sandwich in a Las Vegas park could land you in jail.

The Las Vegas City Council passed an ordinance Wednesday that bans providing food or meals to the indigent for free or a nominal fee in parks.

The measure is an attempt to stop so-called "mobile soup kitchens" from operating in parks, where residents say they attract the homeless and render the city facilities unusable by families.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada called the ordinance blatantly unconstitutional, unenforceable and the latest attempt by the city to hide and harass the homeless instead of constructively addressing their plight.

"So the only people who get to eat are those who have enough money? Those who get (government) assistance can't eat at your picnic?" asked ACLU attorney Allen Lichtenstein. "I've heard of some rather strange and extreme measures from other cities. I've never heard of something like this. It's mind-boggling."

The city's new ordinance, which officials could begin enforcing as early as Friday, defines an indigent as a "person whom a reasonable ordinary person would believe to be entitled to apply for or receive assistance" from the government under state law.

Mayor Oscar Goodman, who has been a vocal advocate of cracking down on the homeless in city parks, dismissed questions about how marshals, who patrol city parks, will identify the homeless in order to enforce the ordinance, the violation of which would be a misdemeanor.

"Certain truths are self-evident," Goodman said. "You know who's homeless."

City officials said they instituted the law in part because of recommendations from some who work with the homeless who say offering food separately from other services, such as counseling and drug treatment, is counterproductive.

"This is not a punishment; this is to help people," Goodman said. "The people who provide sandwiches have good intentions, but they're enabling people not to get the help that is needed."

Residents near Huntridge Circle Park, on Maryland Parkway near Charleston Boulevard, say people who bringing food to the homeless draw them to the area.

But one advocate who feeds the homeless at the park said she will continue to do so.

"I'm going to do whatever I think is necessary to keep people alive," said Gail Sacco.

Sacco has been cited twice while feeding the homeless, for holding a gathering of 25 or more people without a permit.

That ordinance is currently the subject of litigation by the ACLU of Nevada, and Gary Peck, the group's executive director, said the ordinance adopted Wednesday probably will be included in the lawsuit.

City Attorney Brad Jerbic said the city tried to negotiate with the ACLU and Sacco, including attempting to find a place where Sacco could provide food to the homeless.

Peck said negotiations "ended badly because, from our perspective, they're not negotiating in good faith. They're trying to figure out ways of making homeless invisible or kicking them out of our community."

Sacco said the city's approach has been to spout rhetoric and push the problem out of view, instead of offer constructive solutions.

"If the city and county and nonprofits are getting out there doing outreach to the people, then (the homeless) won't be at Circle Park and I won't have anyone to feed down there," Sacco said. "If they're just putting people in jail, the city is making it look like they are doing a wonderful job on the homeless issue. It's just a farce."

Sacco said in addition to providing food, she works to get the homeless housing, treatment, identification and jobs.

For the past month, the city has been cracking down on the homeless at Circle Park, arresting those inside the park before it opens at 7 a.m. and citing others for trespassing if they're on private property.

Neighbors have applauded the city's efforts, which have also included threats to increase the number of mentally ill homeless that they force to be hospitalized.

But Peck said despite residents' concerns, any sweep or crackdown has to be done in a legal manner. "It doesn't matter if they're unsightly, if neighbors don't like them. It doesn't trump the Constitution," he said.

The council unanimously passed the ordinance. Councilwoman Lois Tarkanian was absent.

Councilman Steve Wolfson, who last week raised concerns that the measure would prohibit someone from giving a sandwich to a homeless person, said after talking with Jerbic he felt comfortable with how the ordinance would be enforced.

"The marshals will get specialized training on enforcement," Wolfson said. "If you bought a couple of burgers and wanted to give them out, you technically would be in violation, but you wouldn't be cited."

Jerbic said police make judgment calls based on the severity of the crime, and this would be no different.

Lichtenstein said the city's statements were a clear indication they intend to use selective enforcement, which is unconstitutional under the equal protection clause of the Constitution.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/200...ws/8589438.html (http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jul-20-Thu-2006/news/8589438.html)

RedAnarchist
20th July 2006, 19:23
I'm not surpised - another way to criminalise the people who want to help those less well off. The people of Las Vegas should continue to give food to those without shelter. Hopefully this crazy law will be scrapped soon.

bcbm
20th July 2006, 19:38
Is there a Las Vegas Food Not Bombs?


they attract the homeless and render the city facilities unusable by families.


Yeah, we all know yuppies can't come within 20 yards of a homeless person without self-destructing. :rolleyes:

Nothing Human Is Alien
20th July 2006, 22:15
See! This is a fight our organization (the Free People's Movement) has been fully involved in.. our members out there have been distributing food to poor folks in the park in Las Vegas for a while now and began being harrassed by pigs earlier in the year. That's what this is about:

".. comrades in Las Vegas, Nevada, who regularly distribute warm meals for free to poor brothers and sisters there, were told by police they could no longer do so. After they refused to stop, police officers forcefully removed them and their table, food, and literature from the park where they set up and warned that if they ever returned “they would be put in jail for a long time” (those comrades moved their operation across the street from the park, and have continued to distribute warm meals every week since)."

http://freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?162

Nothing Human Is Alien
20th July 2006, 22:16
Is there a Las Vegas Food Not Bombs?

Yes.

Janus
20th July 2006, 22:30
This is unacceptable.

You can still enjoy a park without a bunch of homeless people around.

I agree with the ACLU that this is simply a way to harass the homeless. Recently, my city just banned panhandling.

red team
20th July 2006, 22:40
It's win-win either way. If they feed the homeless, they'll be gradually won to the side of the people who feed them that don't support the system. If they ban feeding the homeless, the hard lesson they'll learn is that the system don't give a damn about the welfare of people and soon be radicalized to reject the current system. Either way the supporters of Capitalism loses more people to us.

Nothing Human Is Alien
20th July 2006, 22:55
Comrades need to join our defense campaign (http://freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?162) to fight against this and other attacks.

Entrails Konfetti
21st July 2006, 00:11
This whole law sounds like a way to try to get people to give more money to religious organizations-- who are given money by the federal government anyways. Someone in those organizations is probably getting fat, so they want more money.

They're best excuse would be is that " Homeless people fight to the death over free-food, this will prevent them from doing so."
Whilst they act like societys structure has nothing to do with any of this.

Ali.Cat
21st July 2006, 02:29
This whole thing is ridiculas! Do these "authorities" have any idea how difficult it can be to get the help needed to live when one has no money, no job and no place to live?! In Toronto you are allowed to stay in a shelter, but only for a certain number of days (I'm not sure how long exactly, but I know it's caused a lot of problems because it is too short) before you are kicked out. I mean, it is easy enough to say that not allowing people to "feed the homeless" - as if they are dogs or something, will force them to find "actual help" in the "right places" - but come on, the people saying that should get out there and see how hard it can be to get that help.


The city's new ordinance, which officials could begin enforcing as early as Friday, defines an indigent as a "person whom a reasonable ordinary person would believe to be entitled to apply for or receive assistance" from the government under state law.


That is disgusting "whom a reasonable ordinary person would believe..." In some places, it is 'reasonable' and 'ordinary' to have a crap time finding the money to eat and live in luxury... the way that was worded made me sick to my stomach.


Jerbic said police make judgment calls based on the severity of the crime, and this would be no different.


Something tells me that take on the situation will not favor any homeless person... surprise surprise.

PRC-UTE
21st July 2006, 03:24
It's truly sickening that the homeless ruin everything for the good people. I hope the brave people of Las Vegas can call in the military to deal with them.

Seriously though, great job by our comrades in Food Not Bombs and the FPM in resisting this fascist shit.

Mujer Libre
21st July 2006, 03:43
Originally posted by red [email protected] 20 2006, 07:41 PM
It's win-win either way. If they feed the homeless, they'll be gradually won to the side of the people who feed them that don't support the system. If they ban feeding the homeless, the hard lesson they'll learn is that the system don't give a damn about the welfare of people and soon be radicalized to reject the current system. Either way the supporters of Capitalism loses more people to us.
Um, these are people we're talking about- not points in some game to be won! That's a very cold, calculating view you're taking there; which is not cool when we're talking about people possibly missing out on their only meal for that day, or even several days.

red team
21st July 2006, 03:58
Why should anybody be surprise by this? Food like anything else in Capitalist society is a commodity that is only valuable in so far that it is capable of producing a profit for those selling it. If it was given away for free if it can't be sold that would be damaging to the prospect of it being sold for profit in the first place. Now why would any sensible food selling business want to do that? Supermarkets, restaurants and grocery stores throw away food and keep their trash bin full of unsold food locked up for a reason.

It's really the height of irrationality that highly demanded useful goods like food are thrown away when people can't afford to buy them because they can't get money to pay for them because businesses find it unprofitable to hire them so they can't be paid a wage to buy it from the businesses that's selling food in the first place, but who said Capitalism was rational?

bcbm
21st July 2006, 11:09
Good luck to Las Vegas comrades! I'd say keep on doing what you do, but make a media spectacle of it. In San Francisco, when FNB first started, the cops cracked down on it heavily but the newspaper images of cops in riot gear blocking off a table of free food quickly embarassed the shit out of the city.

Sugar Hill Kevis
21st July 2006, 11:13
I read this and my jaw just dropped

it's shocking, even for America...

piet11111
21st July 2006, 23:15
:huh: this even managed to surprise me.

but to my understanding it only counts in parks so if it was say across the street of a park then the homeless can be fed there without problems.
but im certain that they will manage to outlaw that aswell.

anyway be certain to feed the homeless in front of some upper class store.

Keyser
22nd July 2006, 03:55
Why don't all revolutionary activists get together in Las Vegas and get together with the homeless people to do a mass begging and giving of food/money protest.

All those who beg in the park will be there at a set time, like dozens of people, and then activists will give them food and money and so many people doing this the police can do fuck all.

Basically what I am saying people is that if enough dudes break the law at the same time, we can overwhelm the law enforcement and this fucked up anti-proletarian law, to fuck up the designs of the capitalist state and it's futile and fucked up oppression.

Show solidarity with your brothers and sisters who have to make do with living on the streets and show the pigs and the fuckers who moan about the poor that their fucking bigotry will not stand and that you and us all will oppose it. :angry: :angry: :angry:

A Suvorov
22nd July 2006, 04:16
SO... get up a bunch of people (I guess the PC number is what, 24?) that avoids the 'illegal assembly' laws, and congregate in various parts of the park system dressed not-so nicely. Others can arrive to distribute food to the 'phony homeless' and entrap the local police with false arrest if they try to take anyone in. Accomplishes two or more tasks at one time: shows up the police for the stupidity of the anti-feeding law in the first place; shows them up for 'profiling' and 'false arrest'; gains publicity for the repeal of the law; and finally...everyone gets a picnic lunch in the park!

Just make sure the event itself is heavily filmed 'just in case'.