About Guerrilla Warfare

[redhmong]

Firstly, I state that 'Guerrilla' and 'Guerrilla warfare' here is the organization is of communism.

How do you think about guerrilla warfare?
If you have a chance to join a guerrilla, what is your choice?
Do you think guerrilla warfare is one of the ways to communism?
Guerrilla is a feasible way in some countries?

[Samuel]

My Reply:

# I feel that Guerrilla warfare is a valid mechanism to bring about a Communist society, but a popular uprising is better.
# If I had an opportunity to join a Guerrilla organization, my decision would depend upon the leadership, organization, political climate, and popular support for the organization.
# Yes, see above
# Guerrilla warfare is feasible method in underdeveloped states; you couldn't very well implement hit and run tactics in an urban/suburban environment

[Rollo]

A member of an irregular, usually indigenous military or paramilitary unit operating in small bands in occupied territory to harass and undermine the enemy, as by surprise raids.

Guerillas actually operate in small groups called cells in which they usually rely on stealth a lot so Urban Guerillas aren't as effective as say fighting in south america. So it depends on the playing field.

[loveme4whoiam]

Indeed. While I wouldn't say it would be impossible to carry out a guerrilla campaign in an urban environment, it would be difficult as hell, especially if you had less than 100% popular support.

As for actually joining a guerrilla movement, it would depend on the purpose, and all the other factors Samuel mentioned.

I think that guerrilla warfare is an exceedingly effective means of installing a form of socialism in a country. Since for the movement to succeed you need popular support, one can almost guarantee that a socialist governmental style would also be supported. Carrying the move on to communism would depend on a massive number of factors.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 02:38 AM
Firstly, I state that 'Guerrilla' and 'Guerrilla warfare' here is the organization is of communism.

How do you think about guerrilla warfare?
If you have a chance to join a guerrilla, what is your choice?
Do you think guerrilla warfare is one of the ways to communism?
Guerrilla is a feasible way in some countries?
- i think its the only way in which a revolution can be won in certain regions where the ruling class is too entrenched and the army too loyal. Most of the times though, simply a workers uprising will suffice since it would paralyze the bourgeois apparatus.

- if the zapatistas come under large scale attack, I'm on the first plane to mexico if they need me.

- yes, see above.

- well, mostly rural countries. Urban guerrilla often dies down and transforms into individual or small group terrorism (the original use of the word) and that only harms the revolution.

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 09:38 PM
How do you think about guerrilla warfare?
If you have a chance to join a guerrilla, what is your choice?
Do you think guerrilla warfare is one of the ways to communism?
Guerrilla is a feasible way in some countries?
Guerrilla warfare will have a place in any movement, unless your opponent has no military.

I don't think though that guerrilla warfare can "bring" anything into power, that needs either massive public support or massive military support (first revolution, second coup). Guerrilla warfare is primarily effective in "getting rid" of something, i.e. fascism, capitalism, military dictatorship, etc. To "bring something in", you need a simultaneous social/political initiative. The guerrilla/military initiative may make the social/political initiative possible (see Cuba), but the former gets rid of the old, and the later brings in the new.

Guerrilla warfare is feasible in all countries, that's its main virtue: adaptation and innovation. The future will see a lot of classic guerrilla techniques being adapted to modern urban environments. The city is the new jungle. However techniques will have to change and evolve.

Urban Guerrilla Warfare, that is the future. Why? The same reason people rob banks, because that is where the money is. The cities are the castles of power, that’s where the fight will be taken.

[Janus]

How do you think about guerrilla warfare?
I think it's an effective tactic.

Do you think guerrilla warfare is one of the ways to communism?
It is a possible tactic.

Guerrilla is a feasible way in some countries?
Most definitely.

[redhmong]

Guerrilla warfare must be a campaign that involves the masses. Only when you get support from the masses, the guerrilla becomes significative. The masses are the foundation of Guerrilla. Mao’s Guerrilla Warfare had showed us this.

Guerrilla is an effective method to resist capitalism. Even if it cannot overthrow native capitalism, at least it can press the capitalist to improve the people’s living. Guerrilla is the one of our choices.

But, nowadays, the world is getting smaller and smaller. The Guerrilla Warfare will result the ‘Socialism Country’? I think Nepal can give us something. NCP (M) wins wide support in Nepal. Although they control the major portion of Nepal, they cannot wrest power from the monarchy.

Yankee Imperialism doesn’t want a Communist Nepal. It and its allies prevent them seizing political power. And China and Viet Nam don’t back NCP (M) up. Now, they have to come to terms with monarchy. So, someone say NCP (M) is betraying, I don’t think it is the truth. Faith is very important, but how-to-struggle is as important as Faith.

[Janus]

Now, they have to come to terms with monarchy. So, someone say NCP (M) is betraying, I don’t think it is the truth
No, they have always and continue to advocate its destruction. It's the current government that prevented any steps to fully abolish it, not the Maoists.

[R_P_A_S]

I would be insterested if proper training was available. because I'm not trained in any tactics.

[redhmong]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 06:42 AM

Now, they have to come to terms with monarchy. So, someone say NCP (M) is betraying, I don’t think it is the truth
No, they have always and continue to advocate its destruction. It's the current government that prevented any steps to fully abolish it, not the Maoists.
I think you mistake me.
The Maoist want to build a communist Nepal up. Because of many objective causes, they are difficult to overthrow the monarchy and seize the political power, although I hope a communist Nepal.

So, they have to make a concession that form a coalition government.
I don't know whether you understand me. So, in Chinese.

尼共（毛）是想夺取政权建立社会主义制度。但是客观环境使得他们夺取政权几乎不可能。从国际舆论来说，他们 不参加和平会谈，对尼共（毛）是没有丝毫益处的。他们就只能作出一些让步，同意成立一个联合政 府。

这是我本来的意思

[Janus]

I was only saying that it was the coalition gov. that saved the monarchy and not the Maoists.

[RevSouth]

How do you think about guerrilla warfare? An effective way of conducting revolution and promoting it.

If you have a chance to join a guerrilla, what is your choice? Most definetely.

Do you think guerrilla warfare is one of the ways to communism? Obviously.

Guerrilla is a feasible way in some countries? I would go so far as to say it is feasible in almost every country where there is not enough support for organized armies. You can conduct Urban guerilla warfare, or traditional rural guerilla warfare. And the rare tactic of Suburban Guerrilla warfare. :D

[Political_Game_XIII]

Guerilla warfare is an art like any other, and is more that just the stereo type of a group in the jungles of some third world country. Guerilla warfare is a powerful tool the art of using ones weakness as strength. Guerilla warfare can happen in an urban setting. Cities are a great place for revolution. Yes an urban setting is bad in a conventional warfare setting. But guerilla warfare is not conventional warfare. A gun is a weapon but a propaganda, trust, fear, and faith are also powerful weapons.

[AK47]

One has to remember, for every Guerilla fighter with a gun there has to be 5 to 10 companions supporting him/her. One needs safe houses and previously captured arias to seek refuge. I do believe the role of a Guerilla in a suburban/ urban setting would be limited, and it would be better to at least start on a rural aria, but once a few victories are under the belts of allied fighting cells and guerilla organizations, what better place to recruit than where the people are? The key is to organize into local cells across large arias. Say, for example the North East Division of the Peoples Liberation Army of the United States of America (just an imaginary example of what the organization of what such an organization might look like) This division would exist of individual cells of 10-30 people with weapons supported by 50 to 150 support personal, utilizing their land, food resources and expertise.

[RNK]

Guerillas are feasible any time force is necessary to overthrow the chains of capitalism. Guerilla warfare is simply a type of warfare that is unconventional and not of the form of a giant land army battling another. Unless it is possible for Revolutions to create such massive armies, with air and naval power, then guerillas are essential if force is needed.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Guerilla warfare is definately a way to communism, however a popular and peaceful majority uprising should be considered before guerilla warfare.

[RNK]

And after how much time peacefully attempting to bring about the downfall of Capitalism do you finally decide violence is needed? We can all huddle in circles around campfires singing "koombayah" for eternity.

Also, guerilla and protracted warfare in an urbanized country is not infeasible. Particularly in Canada there is a large basis for guerilla-type warfare as shown by various small Native uprisings. If a couple dozen Mohawk warriors armed with hunting rifles and crossbows can face down 1,000 soldiers and police, I'm sure a more well-organized revolutionary front with training and experience can exist in the wilderness indefinately.

[subcal]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 05:27 PM
One has to remember, for every Guerilla fighter with a gun there has to be 5 to 10 companions supporting him/her.
I think you have hit the nail on the head, aslong as you can network to establish a force then you have a chance at getting others onside. Not everyone you meet is going to become an infantry soldier, some better suited for other roles ect. Some are not willing to fight at all (for whatever reasons) but we must accept with sincere gratitude any assistance we can recieve to opertate or expand.

Logistics are going to be a huge part of a sustained campain, forces need local support. I think that some people are getting the mental limitations of GW in thier heads early, realisticly its going to be an insurgency like any other conflict. If something even remotely smelly of a left rev kicked off internationally I would be travelling to a neighbour nation and hoping to sneak in and link up to help (as would many many others)

Outside factors such as these make it even more feasable to start a campain,

[Rollo]

It's times like these I'm grateful for violent video games and local gun clubs.

[subcal]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 06:01 AM
It's times like these I'm grateful for violent video games and local gun clubs.
Generally in Australia you will find most gun clubs tied in with right wing tendancies. For years people like Her Owen (Ron Owen) and John Harris (Mr. Hitler himself) have used thier gun stores as places to push thier right wing paranoia!

If you ever get around to going to Rebel Gunworks in woolongabba (Brisbane) you will see they have an effigy to Pauline Hanson instore, hang the Confederate Flag with 'pride' and sprout the usual racist psyco babble!@

Down the road from Reb. Is the new store for QLD Gun Exchange and they certainly push the same agenda.

If your relying on gun clubs, stores and arcade games I think you should expand your network just a little further and take a serious look at who is going to get the first visits in the waves of arrests post incident.

Naturally any affiliation with gun clubs (known places for asio props) or known criminal elements (police informants in training) will bring heat onto you. If you want to own fire-arms with the minimal of attention then you should consider getting a permission to hunt letter from a tour hunting company (usually about $100)

The only reason you would want to have a liscence these days is to buy ammunition, but if you have a friend with one then why bother yourself? its a great way to get onto the big government radar!

FYI if your after a left wing gun club then you should consider southport indoor club. They are central in beliefs but have a broad membership.

[Janus]

Generally in Australia you will find most gun clubs tied in with right wing tendancies
Same in the US. Conservatives are very big gun rights supporters which may be a good thing for us. :P

[fstick]

A short while ago before the silly "war on terror" started by the fear mongering capitalists guerrilla warfare was an efficient way to revolution but now the media's powers of alienation are much to strong for guerrillas to inspire the masses quite the same way they used to.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

If something even remotely smelly of a left rev kicked off internationally I would be travelling to a neighbour nation and hoping to sneak in and link up to help (as would many many others)

If? How about Colombia? Philippines? India? Turkey? Nepal?

[violencia.Proletariat]

People need to get over this guerilla fetish. You are not a guerilla and you aren't going to be, start doing some real political work!

[La Comédie Noire]

How do you think about guerrilla warfare?
If you have a chance to join a guerrilla, what is your choice?
Do you think guerrilla warfare is one of the ways to communism?
Guerrilla is a feasible way in some countries?

I think guerrilla warfare can be effective depending on a number of factors.

1) Do most people dislike the current goverment? Would they help bands of guerrillas if they were escaping the State?

2) Can the guerrillas in question Infiltrate the military to gain supplies and Information?

3) Is it organized enough, do all the guerrillas have the same goal in mind? Can a spy be detected in the ranks? Can weaker links be avoided as to prevent Infiltration through bribery or black mail?

If I had a choice to join a guerrilla force I would. But they would have to be very serious. None of that mickey mouse shit like reactionary terrorism.

I beleive as the state has an arm of enforcers and protectors so should the movement have a militia, fight fire with fire when it comes to that.

I beleive In areas like Africa and South America it is a good way because the armed forces aren't as advanced and people would be willing to fight because it is literally life or death. Places like the United States and Great Britain would be troublesome because the armed forces are strong and the urge to fight would not be that great. The soloution to the first world is Trade Unions and organization of labor. The answer to the third world is open fighting and resistance, after all in places like that there is barley a main goverment to oppose.

[eXL]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 02:38 AM
Firstly, I state that 'Guerrilla' and 'Guerrilla warfare' here is the organization is of communism.

How do you think about guerrilla warfare?
If you have a chance to join a guerrilla, what is your choice?
Do you think guerrilla warfare is one of the ways to communism?
Guerrilla is a feasible way in some countries?
"# I feel that Guerrilla warfare is a valid mechanism to bring about a Communist society, but a popular uprising is better.
# If I had an opportunity to join a Guerrilla organization, my decision would depend upon the leadership, organization, political climate, and popular support for the organization.
# Yes, see above
# Guerrilla warfare is feasible method in underdeveloped states; you couldn't very well implement hit and run tactics in an urban/suburban environment"

"Guerillas actually operate in small groups called cells in which they usually rely on stealth a lot so Urban Guerillas aren't as effective as say fighting in south america."


Yall are so short sighted.
1) A Guerilla War IS a popular uprising.
2) A Guerilla War will bring about what ever type of systrm the combatants want (considering they win). Guerilla Warfare has absolutly no political offiliation, it's a tactical, stratiegic and desperate style of fighting (very effective). But like all other types of warfare it's closest political relative is Capitalism.
3) If you think Guerilla War cannot be fought in an urban enviroment...I don't know you need to dso something because you are 150,000% wrong. Hezbollah is fighting a very successful urban Guerilla war agaist Israel. Hit and run tactics in a urban/suburban area is even easier than out in the wilderness. I'm guessing you all have heard of buildings? Your probably in one right now. In a war torne area building provide eccelant cover for hit and fade tactics, not to mention and great places to hide enterances to tunnels, dump supplies, etc. In an urban guerilla war, the Guerilla band is going to be a larger armie spread out over a larger area of land. They don't try to occupy territory, they will regain all their lost land after the offending army leaves. Their sole purpose is to harass, scare and otherwise fuck with the enemy.
4) A Guerilla War can happen in any country in every corner of the world, as long as the people support it, which is why, Samuel, a Guerilla war is a popular upriseing. Guerilla war is a adaptative, imporovised style of fighting meaning it can work any where you want it to.
5) Che Guevara's "Guerilla Warfare" is the basics but the specifics are out of date and irrelevant. So saying the next phase in that style is urban.


Hezbollah “don’t try to take over areas. They just come out of their underground shelters, shoot and disappear.”

“We don’t really see them [Hezbollah] until we see the fire coming from somewhere. We were on one rooftop on the outskirts of town and they were shooting from everywhere — you don’t know where it is coming from. When we shoot at them they open up from another direction, like creating a diversion.” –Israeli soldier on fighting Hezbollah

[eXL]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 06:46 AM
Guerilla warfare is an art like any other, and is more that just the stereo type of a group in the jungles of some third world country. Guerilla warfare is a powerful tool the art of using ones weakness as strength. Guerilla warfare can happen in an urban setting. Cities are a great place for revolution. Yes an urban setting is bad in a conventional warfare setting. But guerilla warfare is not conventional warfare. A gun is a weapon but a propaganda, trust, fear, and faith are also powerful weapons.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.

[More Fire for the People]

How do you think about guerrilla warfare?
I think guerilla warfare is an excellent tactic, especially in anti-colonial struggles, but it requires a connection to a popular movement. Without this connection guerillas are isolated from the masses they represent and they have falled into the trap of substitionism.


Do you think guerrilla warfare is one of the ways to communism?
Yes but under the conditions I outlined above.


Guerrilla is a feasible way in some countries?
Yes but it depends upon the environment of the country. I think it is an excellent tactic in tropical, desertous, and mountaneous countries but it would be pretty uselss in countries like Ireland or England.

[eXL]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 16 2006, 09:16 PM
it would be pretty uselss in countries like Ireland or England.
Care to explain why it would be useless in Ireland and England? One of the cool things about Guerilla fighting is that it's adaptible to the the enviroment from which one is staging the resistance.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by eXL+Aug 16 2006, 03:31 PM--> (eXL @ Aug 16 2006, 03:31 PM)
Hopscotch [email protected] 16 2006, 09:16 PM
it would be pretty uselss in countries like Ireland or England.
Care to explain why it would be useless in Ireland and England? One of the cool things about Guerilla fighting is that it's adaptible to the the enviroment from which one is staging the resistance. [/b]
Clear open fields aren't very conducive to hiding.

[lithium]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 16 2006, 09:36 PM
Clear open fields aren't very conducive to hiding.
Actually I spent the last week the far end of Ireland, and while travelling I found myself looking out for environments for guerilla activity!

Toward the east you get a lot of flat, open areas (no trees coz they were cut down by British colonists :rolleyes: ), but that's also where Dublin is. You don't want to be waging a war around the capital straight away.

In the west you get much more mountains and forests - much more suitable to rural guerilla warfare activity. Attack the rural areas first, gain the trust and support of the population and then advance to the east.

[food-chain1]

Has anyone else visited the Global Guerilla site?
great overview (http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/01/journal_system_.html)
systempunkt1 (http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/01/systempunkt_1.html)
systempunkt2 (http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/02/systempunkt_2.html)
systempunkt3 (http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/02/systempunkt_3.html)
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systempunkt5 (http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/02/systempunkt_5.html)
EMERGENT INTELLIGENCE IN OPEN SOURCE WARFARE (http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/02/emergent_intell.html)

Let's move past 1930's praxis and read up on current effective actions.

[eXL]

Originally posted by Hopscotch Anthill+Aug 16 2006, 09:36 PM--> (Hopscotch Anthill @ Aug 16 2006, 09:36 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 03:31 PM

Hopscotch [email protected] 16 2006, 09:16 PM
it would be pretty uselss in countries like Ireland or England.
Care to explain why it would be useless in Ireland and England? One of the cool things about Guerilla fighting is that it's adaptible to the the enviroment from which one is staging the resistance.
Clear open fields aren't very conducive to hiding. [/b]
Right, thats why you fight in the cirites.