Political Survey: What Are Your Beliefs?

[ZhangXun]

Initials: B.P.D
Age: 16
Political Affiliation: Center-right; Neo-Conservative
Religion: Roman Catholic (practicing)
Ethnicity: Irish-Ukrainian
Class of Origin: Middle-Lower Class
Location: New Jersey, United States of America
Job: Work at a local Convieniance Store
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Time, The New York Daily News, National Review, The New York Times.

Stances

George Bush: 9/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Pre-emption, Realism, Multi-lateralism or unilateralism if support is limited or non-existant depending on objective.
War in Iraq: Support
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women's rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: Against
Gun Control: Against
Government: Downsize it
Education: Reform it or privatize it.
Globalization: Neutral, it seems inevitable though.
Capitalism: Support, with exceptions to certain nations.
Socialism: Against, with exceptions to certain nations.
Fascism: Against, with very few exceptions.
Communism: As far as I've seen it hasn't been tried to date, maybe it can work maybe it can't.
Favorite Democrats: Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller.
Favorite Republicans: Condoleeza Rice, John McCain.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Edmund Burke, Kong Fuzi (Confucious), or in more modern days Barry Goldwater.

[loveme4whoiam]

Proceed direct to Opposing Ideologies, do not pass Go, do not collect £200 :D

Welcome to the forums though :)


Education: Reform it or privatize it.
I'd laugh, but I'm crying because Blair has done this in the UK already.

[ZhangXun]

I'd laugh, but I'm crying because Blair has done this in the UK already.

Blair has gone towards privitizing education? That's a suprise, in his more youthful days Blair always seemed to be more of a Labour Party Socialist. What would you say the political climate is there? Are the Tories going into office this election or is it different than what I'm reading?

[Si Pinto]

I'm not actually sure what your after with this thread but just a little point you might like to consider (or reconsider).

Exactly how does......


Women's rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)

Go with.......


Abortion: Against

What about a woman's right to have an abortion?

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 03:26 PM

I'd laugh, but I'm crying because Blair has done this in the UK already.

Blair has gone towards privitizing education? That's a suprise, in his more youthful days Blair always seemed to be more of a Labour Party Socialist. What would you say the political climate is there? Are the Tories going into office this election or is it different than what I'm reading?
You don't seriously think Blair is in any way still a socialist, do you? THat guy is a neo-liberal, neo-Thatcherite capitalist who obeys orders given to him fom Bush, has done almost nothing to repair the country after nearly two decades of atrocious Tory misrule and has no more connections to the working class, from which he came.

[ZhangXun]

What about a woman's right to have an abortion?

I know it may sound odd to most here but I personally believe abortion is murder, while to most that sounds like a thelogic and anti-women's rights comment I don't see it that way. I'm not for banning abortion, because then that gives the federal government yet another thing to enforce and watch over us on, I don't support acts of violence towards those who have had an abortion or support the right to get one, I just believe in trying to prevent what I've felt is a great wrong in society, where a human being can be scrambled and discarded as if it were a peice of trash. I support contraceptives to move towards safe sex, both from STDs and unwanted pregnancies, I'm not the fire and brimestone type by any means as far as Christians go.

[RaiseYourVoice]

Initials: M.B.
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: left
Religion: -
Ethnicity: caucasian i'd guess :/
Class of Origin: Middle class
Location: Bremerhaven, Northern Germany
Job: Done with school, starting social service for 9 month
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Time, Der Spiegel, Cicero, Stern, they dont reflect my own political opinion very much though

Stances

George Bush: 0/10
Foreign Policy: unnesecary after the revolution for obvious reasons. before keeping out of other peoples business
War in Iraq: no form of imperialism please
War in Afghanistan: see above
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women's rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Against i'd be for it, but i dont know if no gun controll could be handy in a revolution xD
Government: get rid of it when getting rid of capitalism
Education: different in each country, in germany even in each state, deserves own topic
Globalization: against it in a capitalist way
Capitalism: against
Socialism: maybe needed step
Fascism: Against
Communism: support
Favorite Democrats: Do i have to choose a favorite of these?
Favorite Republicans: see above

[ZhangXun]

You don't seriously think Blair is in any way still a socialist, do you? THat guy is a neo-liberal, neo-Thatcherite capitalist who obeys orders given to him fom Bush, has done almost nothing to repair the country after nearly two decades of atrocious Tory misrule and has no more connections to the working class, from which he came.

As for the Bush comment I disagree, but I see little good in arguing in something of which cannot be proven or disproven because both administrations seem unusually secretive. As for Blair my point was I didn't know he had changed so much, I always thought Socialists were more inclined to join the Labour Party in Britain, is Blair is like you say he is, he should be with the Tories or the Liberals.

[Forward Union]

Political Affiliation: Anarchist communist / Libertarian Communist
Religion: Atheist (practising)
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Working
Job: Volunteer work for a Solidarity Centre / student
Favourite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Organise! (http://www.libcom.org/hosted/af/org/index.html), Freedom (http://www.libcom.org/hosted/freedom/), Schnews (http://www.schnews.org.uk/) and others...

George Bush: Who cares?

War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: I support peoples rights to do so. But I am opposed to marriage.
Women's rights: If the goal is to get women to an equal level as exploitation as men, then Im indifferent. I am however, all for equality of the sex's.
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Against
Government: Abolish it
Education: should be non-complusry
Capitalism: Abolish
Socialism: Against, in most manifestations
Fascism: Against,
Communism: Libertarian communism, I fully support

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

I don't really identify with anyone, I have my own ideas, and find it somewhat silly to identify with another human being, there are things people say I agree with, things they say that I don't. I take inspiration from thousands of people, not only philosophers and politicians but people I know personally. Some people's writings I have enjoyed include, Emma Goldman, Bakunin, Alfredo m Bonnano, Guy Debord, Marx, and hundreds more I can't be bothered to list.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Initials: C.D.L (no kidding)
Age: 23
Political Affiliation: Communist
Religion: None
Ethnicity: Irish
Class of Origin: Working class probably
Location: Ireland
Job: None
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: New Statesman, New Internationalist - other left-wing stuff.

Stances

George Bush: -400/10

Foreign Policy: I support the internation proletariat
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women's rights: Support
Abortion: Pro-choice
Gun Control: For
Government: Support government intervention in the economy (for now) health and education.
Education: Should be publicly funded
Globalization: Oppose corporatism
Capitalism: Oppose
Socialism: Duh.
Fascism: Completely abhor fascism
Communism: Again, duh.
Favorite Democrats: N/A - don't live in the States but Russ Feingold seems ok.
Favorite Republicans: None

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky

[ZhangXun]

Addicives Free: Just a general question, I don't know a whole lot about anarchist philosophy. What about anarchism makes it most appealing to you? And what is it about marriage that you are against?

[ZhangXun]

Sir Aunty Christ: What part of Ireland do you come from? Half of my family is in County Meath.

[RedAnarchist]

Initials: S.M.S
Age: 20
Political Affiliation: Far, Far Left - Anarcho-Syndicalist
Religion: Baptised Anglican, but i'm agnostic
Ethnicity: English and Irish, but makes no difference to who I am
Class of Origin: Proletariat
Location: Lancashire, England
Job: None
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: i sometimes read the Guardian (uk newspaper) but it's not really left-wing, Indymedia (internet)

Stances

George Bush: 0/10 as President - idiotic, stupid, belligerent

Foreign Policy: Internationalism and global revolution
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: I'm no fan of the Taliban, but against, as America and Britain only wish to create a pro-Western puppet state
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against the Zionist crimes against humanity
Same-sex Marriage: All for them, although marriage is a religious institution
Women's rights: Very much for - women's rights are very much connected to the class struggle - woman is the proletariat of the sexes
Abortion: For - a woman's body is hers
Gun Control: Well, we may need guns to help us in the revolution
Government: Abolish it
Education: Free and public
Globalization: Only helps the rich
Capitalism: Very much against
Socialism: Parliamentary socialism is just reformism. Revolutionary socialism is the future.
Fascism: Very much agaisnt
Communism: An historical inevitability.
Favorite Democrats: A lesser evil when it comes to American politics, but still evil
Favorite Republicans: Irish :lol:

[Jazzratt]

Initials: D.J MSP ftw
Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Marxism-Leninism
Religion: No sky wizards please.
Ethnicity: is meaningless
Class of Origin: Proletariat (some would say Middle class because my parents are teachers.)
Location: England.
Job: Unemployed/ Part time voluntary.
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Socialist Standard, The Guardian, The Financial Times

Stances

George Bush: is a puppet for a corrupt government.
Foreign Policy: unnesecary after the revolution for obvious reasons. Everything must be done to combat imperialism.
War in Iraq: No thanks.
War in Afghanistan: Nope.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Fuck israel.
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women's rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Undecided.
Government: get rid of it when our society has evolved to such a point as it is no longer nescessary.
Education: Free.
Globalization: Depends what you mean. If you mean capitalist coporations allowed to opress workers in othe countries - what do you think?
Capitalism: Make it die
Socialism: For, very much for.
Fascism: Make it die.
Communism: Definatley.
Favorite Democrats: The dead ones.
Favorite Republicans: The ones that have been dead longer.

[ZhangXun]

Favorite Democrats: A lesser evil when it comes to American politics, but still evil

Depends on what comes to mind when you think of evil, if you hate war most then the Democrats are historically much more evil than the Republicans, if you think coorporatism and priveliges for the wealthy are evil than vice versa.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 03:35 PM

You don't seriously think Blair is in any way still a socialist, do you? THat guy is a neo-liberal, neo-Thatcherite capitalist who obeys orders given to him fom Bush, has done almost nothing to repair the country after nearly two decades of atrocious Tory misrule and has no more connections to the working class, from which he came.

As for the Bush comment I disagree, but I see little good in arguing in something of which cannot be proven or disproven because both administrations seem unusually secretive. As for Blair my point was I didn't know he had changed so much, I always thought Socialists were more inclined to join the Labour Party in Britain, is Blair is like you say he is, he should be with the Tories or the Liberals.
Since 1997, Labour have become a more centrist, middle-class party. They no longer represent the working classes, although I doubt they ever really did, as they are a parliamentary party and not a revolutionary organisation.

[ZhangXun]

Ethnicity: is meaningless

It never has been meaningless, entire wars, conflicts, and genocides have based around ethnicity, though many (including I) wish it wouldn't be that kind of issue anymore, it certainly means something today.

As for globalization, not just the coorporations bit of it, the whole world becoming less and less distant through things like the Internet.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 02:46 PM

Favorite Democrats: A lesser evil when it comes to American politics, but still evil

Depends on what comes to mind when you think of evil, if you hate war most then the Democrats are historically much more evil than the Republicans, if you think coorporatism and priveliges for the wealthy are evil than vice versa.
Well I've just learned everything I need to know about U.S politics - neither of the two parties are worth a damn.

I wish that the UK was different but mr.Blair has screwed up the only viable socialist party <_< (not that it was fabulous to start with).

What drew you to the way of thinking you currently follow?

[Matty_UK]

Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Anarchist
Religion: n/a
Ethnicity: Caucasian
Class of Origin: Proletariat
Location: Gateshead, North East England
Job: Work at a local Newsagent (convenience store)
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: none, discussion is better

Stances

George Bush: no
Foreign Policy: anti-border class war internationalist
War in Iraq: against
War in Afghanistan: against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): against
Same-sex Marriage: support
Women&#39;s rights: support
Abortion: support
Gun Control: against
Government: against
Education: free and universally available
Globalization: for too complex for a for/against answer
Capitalism: against, but support in a feudal society
Socialism: sympathetic towards
Fascism: against
Communism: support
Favorite Democrats: don&#39;t care
Favorite Republicans: don&#39;t care

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Max Stirner, Guy Debord, Karl Marx, Mikhail Bakunin, Willhelm Reich

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 02:49 PM

Ethnicity: is meaningless

It never has been meaningless, entire wars, conflicts, and genocides have based around ethnicity, though many (including I) wish it wouldn&#39;t be that kind of issue anymore, it certainly means something today.

People can fight wars over meaningless things. Look at the crusades.



As for globalization, not just the coorporations bit of it, the whole world becoming less and less distant through things like the Internet. That&#39;s fine by me.

[Whitten]

Blair has gone towards privitizing education? That&#39;s a suprise, in his more youthful days Blair always seemed to be more of a Labour Party Socialist. What would you say the political climate is there? Are the Tories going into office this election or is it different than what I&#39;m reading?

In his younger days Blair would not have been out of place amongst a group such as us. He was even considered to be radically left by the labouir party at one point. Then he changed. By the time he was in power he was as much a neo-con as Thatcher.

As for my Ideology:

Initials: S.J.W
Age: 17
Political Affiliation: Communist, Marxist-Vanguardist
Religion: None
Ethnicity: Scottish-English-Irish
Class of Origin: proletarian
Location: Bedfordshire, England, UK
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Independent, The Guardian, both generally for information, not opinions. I am a bigger fan of online media

Stances

George Bush: 0/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Defend the people, continue to support the revolutionary movement world wide.
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against as it is, would support if conducted in a radically different manner.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Oppose marriage in general, for any sexuality.
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support (up to reasonable time limit)
Gun Control: For
Government: Decentralise it
Education: Give curriculum powers to specialists (industry or academic veterens in the field).
Globalization: Capitalist globalisation: against, internationalism: for
Capitalism: Oppose
Socialism: Supprot
Fascism: Against
Communism: Support
Favorite Democrats: None
Favorite Republicans: None

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Che Guevara

[Si Pinto]

I know it may sound odd to most here but I personally believe abortion is murder,

That is YOUR right to think that way.

It is a woman&#39;s right to think differently, surely?

Otherwise your not pro-womens rights at all.


I&#39;m not for banning abortion

So under what conditions would you advocate allowing a woman to have an abortion?


I just believe in trying to prevent what I&#39;ve felt is a great wrong in society, where a human being can be scrambled and discarded as if it were a peice of trash

An admirable sentiment, except that your using it to oppress anothers rights to make their own decision.

Also, your choice of words is questionable...abortion is not about &#39;scrambling&#39; or &#39;discarding as a piece of trash&#39;.

The women I know who have had them went through severe emotional traumas before during and after the abortion.

So using &#39;populist pro-life&#39; terminology isn&#39;t likely to add weight to your argument.


I support contraceptives to move towards safe sex, both from STDs and unwanted pregnancies, I&#39;m not the fire and brimestone type by any means as far as Christians go

Again a worthy standpoint, but again I&#39;ll make the point that by allowing people the right to have sex without the &#39;risk&#39; of pregnancy, but denying them the right to stop that pregnancy if something goes wrong is not granting women (or anyone) their rights.

It is a sham.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Initials: SDW
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: Far Left, Anarcho-Communist Scientific TransHumanist
Religion: None (Atheist)
Ethnicity: Scottish-English
Class of Origin: Working class
Location: London, United Kingdom
Job: Unemployed
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: BBC News website

Stances

George Bush: One of the US&#39;s worst presidents.

Foreign Policy: Internationalism.
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Against
Government: Abolish it
Education: Keep it public and free
Globalization: Support as a cultural phenomenon.
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Mostly against
Fascism: Against, no exceptions
Communism: Support but only in the absence of a vangaurd
Favorite Democrats: None
Favorite Republicans: None

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Mikhail Bakunin, Pablo Stafforini (Inventor of anarcho-transhumanism) Richard Dawkins, Buckminster Fuller.

[ZhangXun]

Since 1997, Labour have become a more centrist, middle-class party. They no longer represent the working classes, although I doubt they ever really did, as they are a parliamentary party and not a revolutionary organisation.

Interesting. But is it really necessary to be a revolutionary organization to represent the will of the working classes (which btw is a very broad list of people with different political convictions)? People like my granfather who grew up during the Great Depression in the poorest of the working classes wouldn&#39;t trust revolutionaries as far as they could spit, others, like many of the workers in Cuba would celebrate with lively cheering at the site of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. It&#39;s never as black and white as some think it is, if any one political movement identified truly with the people, the world would not be as divided as it is today.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 02:40 PM
What about anarchism makes it most appealing to you?
Well I am a communist, I simply oppose Lenninist Vanguardism, and believe the class struggle is here and now, not some distant dream. When people say "oneday the revolution will come" I can see something of a parallel between that, and the old idea of god. That sure, things are bad now, but oneday we will be uplifted from this life and thrusted into something exciting. It discourages millitant and violent action against capitalism now. Im also opposed to centeralised decission making.


And what is it about marriage that you are against?

This is a good read. Short, but I was nodding so much whilst reading though it, my head nearly fell off.

Marriage and love (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/goldman/aando/marriageandlove.html)

[Whitten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 02:53 PM

Since 1997, Labour have become a more centrist, middle-class party. They no longer represent the working classes, although I doubt they ever really did, as they are a parliamentary party and not a revolutionary organisation.

Interesting. But is it really necessary to be a revolutionary organization to represent the will of the working classes (which btw is a very broad list of people with different political convictions)? People like my granfather who grew up during the Great Depression in the poorest of the working classes wouldn&#39;t trust revolutionaries as far as they could spit, others, like many of the workers in Cuba would celebrate with lively cheering at the site of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. It&#39;s never as black and white as some think it is, if any one political movement identified truly with the people, the world would not be as divided as it is today.
No, infact the Labour party has never been revoilutionary, its been a reformist "may as well try and live comfortable under capitalism until the revolution gets into full swing" party. However they completly abandoned that when they started privatising education and closing down community hospitals, using the money instead to support foreign wars.

[ZhangXun]

That is YOUR right to think that way.

It is a woman&#39;s right to think differently, surely?

Otherwise your not pro-womens rights at all.

Oh absolutely it is the right of anyone who lives in a nation respecting the right to free speech to speak their mind. I have no problem with those who take the pro-choice platform, I just simply disagree. If a woman supports the right to have an abortion, who am I to say she&#39;s not allowed to speak her mind? My beliefs are simply different.


So under what conditions would you advocate allowing a woman to have an abortion?

If her life is mortally threatened.


An admirable sentiment, except that you your using it to oppress anothers rights to make their own decision.

Not exactly, I am not for restricting it, I am for making it a less desirable choice. If a woman doesn&#39;t have to get an abortion (financial reasons are a big reason), then she will be less likely to get one. That&#39;s why I support things like paid maternaty leave from work so the mother won&#39;t have to worry about work and pregnancy at the same time.


Also, your choice of words is questionable...abortion is not about &#39;scrambling&#39; or &#39;discarding as a piece of trash&#39;.

That&#39;s not the motive for an abortion, that&#39;s simply the end result of the procedure.


The women I know who have had them went through severe emotional traumas before during and after the abortion.

My sympathies rest with your friends then, it must have been an excrusiating and emotional decision. :(


So using &#39;populist pro-life&#39; terminology isn&#39;t likely to add weight to your argument.

I take a stance on abortion as how I see it, my choice of words is only there to describe my own personal convictions about abortion, it isn&#39;t to hinder anyone&#39;s right to free speech, or to condemn anyone with a differing opinion.


Again a worthy standpoint, but again I&#39;ll make the point that by allowing people the right to have sex without the &#39;risk&#39; of pregnancy, but denying them the right to stop that pregnancy if something goes wrong is not granting women (or anyone) their rights.

I&#39;m not denying them the right to get an abortion, that&#39;s my whole argument. I&#39;m against a federal ban or restriction because allowing the government to ban something allows it to enforce that ban, which increases its power. I&#39;m for social changes to make the often unpleasant reality of pregnancy less tough and more forgiving for women, banning alcohol never stopped it from coming in, why would abortion be any different?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 02:53 PM

Since 1997, Labour have become a more centrist, middle-class party. They no longer represent the working classes, although I doubt they ever really did, as they are a parliamentary party and not a revolutionary organisation.

Interesting. But is it really necessary to be a revolutionary organization to represent the will of the working classes (which btw is a very broad list of people with different political convictions)? People like my granfather who grew up during the Great Depression in the poorest of the working classes wouldn&#39;t trust revolutionaries as far as they could spit, others, like many of the workers in Cuba would celebrate with lively cheering at the site of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. It&#39;s never as black and white as some think it is, if any one political movement identified truly with the people, the world would not be as divided as it is today.
It&#39;s not really about what political affliation has been brainwashed into the people, it&#39;s about what benefits humanity. That would be communism because it removes all the inequality and grants people freedom.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 03:41 PM
Sir Aunty Christ: What part of Ireland do you come from? Half of my family is in County Meath.
County Antrim, near Belfast

[ZhangXun]

Well I&#39;ve just learned everything I need to know about U.S politics - neither of the two parties are worth a damn.

As have many, they lie through their teeth and they don&#39;t give a damn for classical or traditional liberalism or conservatism, they change their party&#39;s philosophy to fit more with their interests an perpetrate crimes while in office in most cases.


I wish that the UK was different but mr.Blair has screwed up the only viable socialist party (not that it was fabulous to start with).

Would you say Ramsey MacDonald&#39;s (i think founder of the party) politicts should have been more actively realized? Because yes I agree, Blair has strayed far from the party norm.


What drew you to the way of thinking you currently follow?

A lot of reading, thinking, and historicl analysis led me to the set of beliefs I have. My grandfather&#39;s working class conservatism influenced many of my beliefs as well as classical and ancient philosophers, I don&#39;t always see the establisment as something that needs imminent destruction, rather something that requires slow but constant change. I know many will be led to their own conclusions through their studies and that is what makes debating so interesting for me. I used to be a lot more conservative than I am now.

[Si Pinto]

Name: Oolon Coluphid
Age: Bronze
Political Affiliation: Lefter than left
Religion: No thanks
Ethnicity: Typical Western European Mongrel
Class of Origin: Working
Location: RevLeft
Job: Croissant Baker
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Guardian, Daily Record, Morning Star

Stances

George Bush: 10/10 as president (0/10 as a human being)

Foreign Policy: Remove all borders everywhere, there-by removing the need for a foreign policy.
War in Iraq: No
War in Afghanistan: No
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): No
Same-sex Marriage: Yes
Women&#39;s rights: Yes
Abortion: Yes
Gun Control: Yes
Government: Remove it
Education: Free and available to all
Globalization: Depends how you look at it.
Capitalism: <_<
Socialism: :)
Fascism: <_<
Communism: :wub:
Favorite Democrats: <_<
Favorite Republicans: <_<

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Marx, I also take segments from a whole list of political theorists, economists and pshycologists.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 04:10 PM
Would you say Ramsey MacDonald&#39;s (i think founder of the party) politicts should have been more actively realized? Because yes I agree, Blair has strayed far from the party norm.

Ramsey McDonald? Keir Hardie founded the Labour Party in the 1890&#39;s. McDonald was the first Labour PM though.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 03:10 PM

Well I&#39;ve just learned everything I need to know about U.S politics - neither of the two parties are worth a damn.

As have many, they lie through their teeth and they don&#39;t give a damn for classical or traditional liberalism or conservatism, they change their party&#39;s philosophy to fit more with their interests an perpetrate crimes while in office in most cases.

Maybe them and I have that in common then ;)




I wish that the UK was different but mr.Blair has screwed up the only viable socialist party (not that it was fabulous to start with).

Would you say Ramsey MacDonald&#39;s (i think founder of the party) politicts should have been more actively realized? Because yes I agree, Blair has strayed far from the party norm. No, I really wouldn&#39;t. I would agree with you on blair.

[ZhangXun]

Sorry if I missed anyone&#39;s post, I&#39;ll get to all responses. :)


Well I am a communist, I simply oppose Lenninist Vanguardism, and believe the class struggle is here and now, not some distant dream. When people say "oneday the revolution will come" I can see something of a parallel between that, and the old idea of god. That sure, things are bad now, but oneday we will be uplifted from this life and thrusted into something exciting. It discourages millitant and violent action against capitalism now. Im also opposed to centeralised decission making.

But what is it about Capitalism that you find so resentable? Is it the opressed and starving people of the world? If so then there is no single remedy to ending world suffering, there is, in my humble opinion, a solution to the problems of every nation. But what is it also about violent militance that appeals to your beliefs? If one is against the opressed and the poor, it would be contradictory to do violent things to others, not even from a moral standpoint but from a political standpoint.


People can fight wars over meaningless things. Look at the crusades.

The Crusades was a war perpetrated by Pope Urban II to turn the attention of people away from the insatiable corruption of my Church, it was a war based on deception, motivated by false pretenses of faith. And if anything it shows how millions can be called to arms throughout history by the cause of religion, race, class, or personal profit.


No, infact the Labour party has never been revoilutionary, its been a reformist "may as well try and live comfortable under capitalism until the revolution gets into full swing" party. However they completly abandoned that when they started privatising education and closing down community hospitals, using the money instead to support foreign wars.

Yes that does seem very anti-Socialist and wrong in my opinion. Did Blair even try to reform public education before he set out to do away with it?


In his younger days Blair would not have been out of place amongst a group such as us. He was even considered to be radically left by the labouir party at one point. Then he changed. By the time he was in power he was as much a neo-con as Thatcher.

Margeret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were in my opinion two of the most despicable world leaders to hold office, if Blair is anyway like them, my support for him is non-existant.

[Socialistpenguin]

Initials: JAT
Age: 16
Political Affiliation: Trotskyist.
Religion: N/A
Ethnicity: Not entirely sure.
Class of origin: Proletarian
Location: Wigan, Lancashire, England.
Job: student.
Favourite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Socialist. Otherwise, I don&#39;t read the newspapers.

George Bush: You mean he&#39;s still in office?

War in Iraq: Against.
War in Afghanistan: Against.
War in Lebanon (Israeli invasion): Against.
Same-sex marriages: Support.
Women&#39;s rights: Too vague a term. Need clarification.
Abortion: Pro-choice.
Gun control: Not sure on this one. I mean, it would help us out immensely if a ban was lifted, but then again there&#39;d be reactionaries like the BNP who would be in a similar position.
Government: A necessary evil, at least in my opinion. Should only be a transitionary phase, however
Education: Comprehensive and state-funded.
Capitalism: Abolish.
Socialism: support.
Fascism: Loathe.
Communism: Support, of course.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)
Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky.

[theraven]

Initials: raven
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: Center-right; Neo-Conservative
Religion: Jewish
Ethnicity: eastern european jew/scot-irish
Class of Origin: Middle-Lower Class
Location: , United States of America
Job: construction/student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Time, , National Review, The New York Times, Wall street journal

Stances

George Bush: 8/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Pre-emption, Realism, Multi-lateralism or unilateralism if support is limited or non-existant depending on objective.
War in Iraq: Support
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion):support
Same-sex Marriage: don&#39;t care
Women&#39;s rights: support equality of oppurtiytiny but not of outcome
Abortion: mildly pro
Gun Control: Against
Government: Downsize it
Education: Reform it or privatize it.
Globalization: Neutral, it seems inevitable though.
Capitalism: Support, with exceptions to certain nations.
Socialism: Against, with exceptions to certain nations.
Fascism: Against, with very few exceptions.
Communism: as defined by the board memebrs its never happened, but from what i&#39;ve seen when its been attempded very against
Favorite Democrats: Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller.
Favorite Republicans: Condoleeza Rice, Newt Gingrich

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Edmund Burke, Kong Fuzi (Confucious), or in more modern days Barry Goldwater, leo straus..kissinger.

[ZhangXun]

Maybe them and I have that in common then

Sorry about that, I phrased that wrong. My point was that they say they have a certain set of beliefs and personal morals and act like they never had them to begin with when they hold office. Like say your nation had a major party that advocated revolutionary Marxism, and when its politicians were elected they embezzled money, allowed the class system to exist, and perpetrated wars for resources. That kind of the feeling I get when I think Republican or Democrat these days, with very few exceptions.


Ramsey McDonald? Keir Hardie founded the Labour Party in the 1890&#39;s. McDonald was the first Labour PM though.

My mistake I got the two mixed up.


It&#39;s not really about what political affliation has been brainwashed into the people, it&#39;s about what benefits humanity. That would be communism because it removes all the inequality and grants people freedom.

That depends on what form of Communism you identify yourself with. Authoritarian communism of the likes of Lenin, Trotski, Stalin, Mao, and Hoxha would not be keen on personal freedom but rather iron fisted control. Libertarian Communism is different, but I don&#39;t know how pratical that could be applied on a national scale.

[ZhangXun]

Ah a fellow conservative, how are you raven?

[Taiga]

Initials: I.G.S
Age: 24
Political Affiliation: Anarcho-Communist :star:
Religion: RedStar2000 Holy Church :D
Ethnicity: Moldovan-Ukrainian.
Class of Origin: Working Class
Location: Chisinau, Repiblic of Moldova
Job: second accountant/and one more job
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Internet

Stances

George Bush: who&#39;s that?

Foreign Policy: International
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support if we need marriage at all <_<
Women&#39;s rights: Oh really? Women are people too? They need special rights? http://www.forum.nbp-nord.org/style_emoticons/default/_43_secret.gif
Abortion: Pro-choice
Gun Control: Against
Government: Abolish
Education: Free
Globalization: Depends
Capitalism: http://www.forum.nbp-nord.org/style_emoticons/default/_61_russian_roulette.gif
Socialism: OK
Fascism: Against, no exceptions.http://www.forum.nbp-nord.org/style_emoticons/default/_92_butcher.gif
Communism: the future :hammer:
Favorite Democrats: no
Favorite Republicans: no

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

A mixture of many.

[ZhangXun]

Oh really? Women are people too? They need special rights?

That was put there simply because it seems like anyone taking a pro-life position is immidiately called a sexist by many without even any questions being asked about why they believe what they do.

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 02:44 PM
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against the Zionist crimes against humanity
Who from Iran told you that little doozy?

&#39;Zionist&#39; come on...what&#39;s new...are they now a global machine?&#33; Are they going to take your money?&#33; Rape your women(men)? Should we &#39;whipe them off the map&#39;? Give me a break.

[Taiga]

Originally posted by ZhangXun+Jul 19 2006, 05:16 PM--> (ZhangXun &#064; Jul 19 2006, 05:16 PM)That was put there simply because it seems like anyone taking a pro-life position is immidiately called a sexist by many without even any questions being asked about why they believe what they do.[/b]
Come on, you&#39;re talking about equal pay, job opportunity :angry:


ZhangXun
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)

[ZhangXun]

Come on, you&#39;re talking about equal pay, job opportunity

etc... implies equality in all other aspects.

[Janus]

You like Confucius? :angry:

Don&#39;t even get me started on Confucianism. All one needs to know that it&#39;s one of the most reactionary and backward philosophies out there and is responsible for many of China&#39;s past and present problems.

[CCCPneubauten]

Initials: QWERTY
Age: Time is all relative
Political Affiliation: Marxist-Leninist (I have support for Maoism to an extent)
Religion: Antehist (Although I used to consider myself secular Jewish)
Ethnicity: I am the Mutt of Europe
Class of Origin: Middle Class (Not quite sure how to figure that one out)
Location: United States of America
Job: Student, I do some voluenteer stuff too.
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Time, The New York Times, The Week, BBC, various Socialist and Communist papers, hell I&#39;ve even read a lot of MIM notes.

Stances

George Bush: 1/10, he is so funny ergo the one.

Foreign Policy: If some one attacks you, defend.
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion):Against
Same-sex Marriage: Of course
Women&#39;s rights: You bet&#33; Should have happened a long time ago
Abortion: It&#39;s a woman&#39;s body...
Gun Control: For
Government: Strenghten and bring more democracy, gotta have the DoP
Education: Bring it under State control
Globalization: Neutral, it seems inevitable though.
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: For 100%
Fascism: See;Capitalism
Communism: For
Favorite Democrats: Ted Kennedy? (raven, Zell Miller...dude...WTF...&#33;?)
Favorite Republicans: John McCain? I dunno, that&#39;s hard to pick

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Marx, Lenin, Mao :ph34r:

[ZhangXun]

You like Confucius?

Yes.


Don&#39;t even get me started on Confucianism. All one needs to know that it&#39;s one of the most reactionary and backward philosophies out there and is responsible for many of China&#39;s past and present problems.

To each his own beliefs, he was the inspiration for conservatism in China, contributing greatly to its slow rise to superpower status and decline into chaos. I know many do not approve of his dogmatic conservatism and respect for authority, but I admire his personal convictions in respecting the elderly and authority, I feel his teachings are full of wisdom.

But about what you think, what is it about Confucious that you can&#39;t stand? What are the problems with his conservative philosophies that you see?

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Initials: N.B.H
Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Anarcho-Communist
Religion: Atheist
Ethnicity: Irrelevant
Class of Origin: Middle-Class
Location: New Brunswick, Canada
Job: McDonald&#39;s Employee
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: I get my news from wikipedia, for the most part, and The Daily Show.

Stances

George Bush: One of the worst presidents (if not the worst) ever. I don&#39;t know what grade this gives him.
Foreign Policy: World Revolution
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Probably Against (little background)
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Against
Government: Eliminate It
Education: Severe Reform
Globalization: Undecided
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Against (anarchist)
Fascism: Against
Communism: Support
Favorite Democrats: None come to mind that I really like.
Favorite Republicans: See Above

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Uncertain - I agree and disagree with certain philosophers on different points. Marx and Bakunin have beliefs similiar to mine (in certain areas).

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by Dooga Aetrus [email protected] 19 2006, 05:04 PM
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: I get my news from wikipedia, for the most part, and The Daily Show.

[War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Probably Against (little background)

I get a lotta Wiki news too...and dude, it&#39;s right on the front page...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict

You must not check it a lot...and it was just on the Daily Show last night...with all the cruise ships...remember?

[Zero]

Initials:
Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Anarcho-Communist, Libertarian Socialist, Anarcho-Collectivist, or Anarcho-Syndicalist. Take your pick.
Religion: Militant Athiesm
Ethnicity: White as fuck
Class of Origin: lower working
Location: Oregon
Job: activist, freelance labor, student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: prisonplanet, rantradio, slashdot, and wired

Stances

George Bush: Misirable failiure. Just like the system.

Foreign Policy: Boarders are a lie, government is war, no war but class war.
War in Iraq: against
War in Afghanistan: against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): against
Same-sex Marriage: against marriage, pro gay
Women&#39;s rights: Men and Women are just as equal as Black and White.
Abortion: pro
Gun Control: against
Government: Government is war.
Education: Seek education, don&#39;t force.
Globalization: Government is war.
Capitalism: misirable failiure
Socialism: against all but Libertarian forms.
Fascism: highly against
Communism: required for Humanity.
Favorite Democrats: Fuck the system.
Favorite Republicans: Fuck the system.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)
Kropotkin, and I take some from other people. But I don&#39;t identify with anyone but myself.

[Black Dagger]

Initials: GWB
Age: 60
Political Affiliation: Republican.
Religion: Christian and proud.
Ethnicity: White-American
Class of Origin: I&#39;m from quite a blessed, hard-working background.
Location: Texas/Washington
Job: Prez
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Reading is for nerds.

Stances

George Bush: 9/10, i&#39;ll be the first to admit that i&#39;ve made some mistakes.

Foreign Policy: Well that depends, are we talking about a country that can defend itself from foreign invasion or not? Have they got nukes? Alright, well, i&#39;ll just say, um fighting terrorism and spreading democracy and freedom? Oh and abstinence for the world&#33;
War in Iraq: Woohoo&#33;
War in Afghanistan: Um, yeah wooooo&#33; *cough*
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Say what?
Same-sex Marriage: Marriage is between a man and the woman he wishes to marry.
Women&#39;s rights: I believe that women have the right to choose between work and family life, and that we should support their choices, behind every great man is a great woman&#33;
Abortion: I&#39;m pro-life and proud.
Gun Control: Against
Government: I believe in governing the will of the people, democracy, cherrying the constitution.
Education: Need improved, place it in hands of the busienss.
Globalization: I support the globalisation of freedom and democratistic values.
Capitalism: Support. Capitalism provides each and every one of us the freedom to make our own choices, where do we want to work? What do we want to do? It&#39;s the best way to ensure a high standard of living for all.
Socialism: You mean communism? Communism is dead.
Fascism: What&#39;s fascism?
Communism: Communism Is dead.
Favorite Democrats: None
Favorite Republicans: George W. Bush, George Bush Sr., i couldn&#39;t hear the rest of the answers, my ear piece is playing up.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Um... my ear piece has stopped working :unsure:

Jesus Christ?

[TheProfessor]

Initials: A.G.C
Age: 22
Political Affiliation: None
Religion: None
Ethnicity: Irrelevant
Class of Origin: Have-Not
Location: Ontario, Canada
Job: Construction Sector
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: None&#33; I usually use websites

Stances
George Bush: 0 out of 100
Foreign Policy: Equality For All
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Against
Government: Limit It
Education: Needs To Be Drastically Reformed
Globalization: Against
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Support
Fascism: Against
Communism: Support
Favorite Democrat: John F. Kennedy
Favorite Republican: None&#33;

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs): Marx, Mao, Lenin, Guevara, Martin Luther King. Jr, Malcolm X, Confucius, Jesus, Gandhi, Gautama, Nanak, Tupac Shakur (Basically A Melting Pot Of Ideas Which Spoke For A Unity Of The People, Rather Than A System Built Upon Classes Or Castes. Anyone That Spoke Against Discrimination In Any Way)

[Luís Henrique]

OK, let&#39;s play the game...

Initials: L.H.D.B.
Age: 48
Political Affiliation:Far left; Communist (Spartakist)
Religion: Atheist (not agnostic)
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Upper Middle Class
Location: Brasília, Distrito Federal, Brazil
Job: Civil Servant

Stances

George Bush: Fools democrats by pretending he is stupid
Foreign Policy: Internationalism
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Agaisnt
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Oppose
Opposite-sex Marriage: Oppose
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Against
Right to Abort: Support
Gun Control: Support
Government: Screw it
Education: Reform it to suppress its elitist slant.
Globalization: Generally used as a synonim to imperialism; oppose.
Capitalism: Oppose. Clearly differentiate it from simple exchange production
Socialism: Support. Clearly differentiate it from state capitalism
Fascism: Against.
Communism: Support
Favorite Democrats: None.
Favorite Republicans: None.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Rosa Luxembourg, Piero Sraffa.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 03:20 PM
But what is it about Capitalism that you find so resentable? Is it the opressed and starving people of the world?
No; while that certainly isn&#39;t the most charming aspect of capitalism, it is not its main problem.

The main problem is that it is the exact opposite of a computer. A computer is an intelligent machine built with stupid pieces; capitalism is a stupid machine made up of intelligent pieces (aka human beings).

Luís Henrique

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Originally posted by CCCPneubauten+Jul 19 2006, 05:06 PM--> (CCCPneubauten @ Jul 19 2006, 05:06 PM)
Dooga Aetrus [email protected] 19 2006, 05:04 PM
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: I get my news from wikipedia, for the most part, and The Daily Show.

[War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Probably Against (little background)

I get a lotta Wiki news too...and dude, it&#39;s right on the front page...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict

You must not check it a lot...and it was just on the Daily Show last night...with all the cruise ships...remember? [/b]
I check it out daily, but the roots of the conflict between Israel and Lebanon go back quite far so I am hestitant to make a definitive judgment. I read wikipedia all the time, but, to be honest, the current Israeli-Lebanon conflict doesn&#39;t interest me much. I&#39;ve been overwhelmed by the conflicta in the Middle East to the point that I don&#39;t find anything there shocking anymore.

[Year: 1]

Initials: TEC
Age: 25
Political Affiliation: Revolutionary Anarchist
Religion: none
Ethnicity: Hispanic
Class of Origin: Lower Class
Location: Miami, FL
Job: Teacher
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Z Magazine & Counterpunch

Stances

George Bush: Terrible, genocidal, stupid Stooge

Foreign Policy: Cooperation with all nations and support for the U.N.
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: Against
Gun Control: Support
Government: Destroy It
Education: Promote the education of all people, young and old alike
Globalization: True globalization not this hypocritical garbage that calls itself globalization but really isn&#39;t.
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Support
Fascism: Against
Communism: Support
Favorite Democrats: Dennis Kucinich
Favorite Republicans: None

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs) Noam Chomsky, Karl Marx, Frederick Engels, Lenin, Rosa Luxemburg, George Orwell

[razboz]

Initials: -
Age: 16
Political Affiliation: Revolutionary Anarchist
Religion: Orthodox Atheist
Ethnicity: Latino-Arabo-Berber
Class of Origin: Middle-Upper
Location: Switzerland
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: &#39;Le Zombie Enchaine&#39;

Stances

George Bush: Fanatical Christian of the Right- the worst kind of politician 1/10

Foreign Policy: the cncept of foreign is linked with the concept of country and the concept of country is outdated and regressive.
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: against in so far as this promotes the break down of law and order
Government: Destroy It
Education: equal opportunity for all
Globalization: extreme globalisation, not US dominated economic imperialism
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Support
Fascism: Against
Communism: Support
Favorite Democrats: all mainstream american politicians are sold-out media puppets
Favorite Republicans: dito

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 03:29 PM
Ah a fellow conservative, how are you raven?
Im great, this is a fun board.

[Eleutherios]

Age: 21
Political Affiliation: far left; anarchist communist
Religion: atheist; as Mikhail Bakunin put it, "if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him"
Ethnicity: Irish/English/French
Class of Origin: proletarian
Location: US, near the Canadian border
Job: work at a dollar store
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: umm, none really

Stances

George Bush: 0/10 as president. We don&#39;t need presidents anyways.

Foreign Policy: anti-imperialism; the working class needs to destroy all artificial borders
War in Iraq: I am against all forms of imperialism.
War in Afghanistan: I am against all forms of imperialism.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): I am against all forms of imperialism.
Same-sex Marriage: for
Women&#39;s rights: for
Abortion: for
Gun Control: against
Government: should be eradicated during the revolution.
Education: should be controlled by the people, not the government and not the capitalists either
Globalization: depends on what you mean by the term.
Capitalism: against, as it creates hierarchical and authoritarian social relationships.
Socialism: depends on what you mean by the term.
Fascism: against (no very few exceptions for me; fascism is absolutely detestable anywhere and everywhere&#33;)
Communism: for, but only libertarian communism, not Bolshevism/Maoism/Juche/etc.
Favorite Democrats: none; all Democrats are counter-revolutionaries who support capitalism, the state, and all the hierarchical social relationships that those institutions create.
Favorite Republicans: none; all Republicans are counter-revolutionaries who support capitalism, the state, and all the hierarchical social relationships that those institutions create.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs) Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin, Emma Goldman, Alexander Berkman, Errico Malatesta. But keep in mind I don&#39;t "follow" any particular individual&#39;s ideas; these are just the people whose ideas make the most sense to me and with whom I disagree the least.

[RevMARKSman]

Initials: I.R.R.E.L.E.V.A.N.T.
Political Affiliation: anarcho-communist
Religion: Anti-theist (practicing)
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Middle-High
Location: Nowhere
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Websites

Stances

Dubya: 0/10

Foreign Policy: Internationalist, anti-imperialist; ideally no "nations" after revolution
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
Israeli Invasion of Lebanon: Against
Same-sex Marriage: For, but against marriage in general
Women&#39;s Rights: For
Abortion: For
Gun Control: Against
Government: Kill
Education: non-compulsory, tailored to the student
Globalization: if it helps class consciousness, go ahead
Capitalism: Kill
Socialism (assuming you mean Cuba, USSR, etc): slightly against
Fascism: Kill
Communism (stateless, classless society): For
Favorite Democrats/Republicans: I&#39;ll plagiarize and say the dead ones.

Influencers: Bakunin, Marx, Kropotkin, Proudhon (I must be the only one who hasn&#39;t read much of any of these people but instead just takes the basic ideas&#33;)

Redstar2000

[Kropotkin]

Initials: JMW
Age: 22
Political Affiliation: Anarchist
Religion: none
Ethnicity: "american"
Class of Origin: lower class
Location: miwest
Job: laborer
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: no favorite


Stances

George Bush: should be shot

Foreign Policy:
War in Iraq: against
War in Afghanistan: against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): against
Same-sex Marriage: against, I oppose the whole tradition of marriage
Women&#39;s rights: for
Abortion: for
Gun Control: against
Government: eliminate it
Education: elimination of schools as they are today. We should teach kids basics like math, reading, and writing. After that they can learn more if they choose or remain dumb.
Globalization: against
Capitalism: against
Socialism: For, if by socialism you mean workers controlof the means of production. Against if you mean the state capitalism of USSR or capitalist welfarism.
Fascism: against
Communism: for
Favorite Democrats: the dead ones
Favorite Republicans: ditto

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Politically: Peter Kropotkin, Emma Goldman, Karl Marx, J. P. Proudhon

Philosophically: Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Camus, F.W. Nietzsche, Max Stirner

[Comrade-Z]

Initials: 1.3.3.7.
Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Ultra-Left Council Communist
Religion: None (anti-theist and materialist)
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Dad worked on roof until age of 50, first as a wage-slave until age of 35, then as co-small business owner--now he works as a middle-manager of a roofing shop, so...petty-bourgeois with a hint of proletarian. :lol:
Location: Bible Belt, USA
Job: Part-time worker as cashier and janitor, also a student.
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The National Review, The Economist, townhall.com (know your enemy)

Stances

George Bush: ripe for the guillotine.

Foreign Policy: Withdrawal from all foreign military bases, non-aggression pact with every foreign society, plenty of clandestine aid to worldwide revolutionary groups, aid to pro-birth control efforts in Africa and elsewhere.
War in Iraq: Against (also against all forms of imperialism).
War in Afghanistan: Against (ditto)
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against (ditto)
Same-sex Marriage: Support (if those people actually want to get married under bourgeois legality in the first place....)
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Against
Government: Overthrow it.
Education: Abolition of compulsory schooling.
Globalization: The globalization of capital is inevitable as long as capitalism exists, so what&#39;s needed along with it and even surpassing it is the globalization of revolutionary struggles as well.
Capitalism: Support it when it is acting in a historically progressive sense (as in Nepal or some other late-feudal society, for example). Otherwise, overthrow it.
Socialism: Against.
Fascism: Vehemently against.
Communism: Support
Favorite Democrats: the dead ones.
Favorite Republicans: ditto.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Mikhail Bakunin, Emma Goldman, Anton Pannekoek, redstar2000 :blush:

[RevMARKSman]

redstar2000

Why didn&#39;t I remember him?

[red team]

Initials: r.t.
Age: 30&#39;s
Political Affiliation: Leftist, TransHumanist, Technocracy Advocate, Cybernetic Socialist
Religion: None (Atheist)
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Working class
Location: RevLeft
Job: student, freelance technician
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: World Socialist Website, RevLeft, Technocracy.ca, Network of European Technocrats

Stances

George Bush: sock puppet of the rich

Foreign Policy: Internationalism.
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support, but marriage is irrelevant
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Against
Government: For the people, by the people, of technicians and scientists
Education: Keep it public and free, needs to be updated for the information age,
compulsory up to 14 (then you&#39;re free to be stupid if you like)
Globalization: Inevitable
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Cybernetic and Libertarian
Fascism: Against, no exceptions
Communism: Support, but technocracy is the only viable system of Communism other than tribal primitivism
Favorite Democrats: None
Favorite Republicans: None

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Buckminster Fuller, Albert Einstein, Howard Scott (technocracy founder)

[Capitalist Lawyer]

Initials: F. U. H. Q.

Age: 25

Political Affiliation: Center-right; Independent; Have voted for both Reps and Dems

Religion: Raised Catholic but only attend Church during holidays

Ethnicity: Polish, Russian and Czech

Class of Origin: Started lower, then made our way through the middle

Location: Pennsylvania, United States of America (moved here recently)

Job: Admissions department at a small state university

Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Washington Times, NY Times, Economist, Time, Business Week

Stances

George Bush: 8/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Pre-emption, Realism, Multi-lateralism or unilateralism if support is limited or non-existant depending on objective.

War in Iraq: Support

War in Afghanistan: Support

War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against

Same-sex Marriage: Support

Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)

Abortion: For, but should not be used as a method of birth control nor should it be championed.

Gun Control: Against

Government: Downsize it while cutting taxes throughout the board.

Education: It&#39;s there if you want one, whether private or public.

Globalization: It&#39;s already here.

Capitalism: Support but must be backed up by the protection of private property rights established by the rule of law.

Socialism: I keep getting different definitions of it, can&#39;t formulate opinion on it.

Fascism: We have some fascist elements in our politcal and economical system that seem to be justified and work rather well.

Communism: See Socialism; but why do the Chinese call themselves Communists if they aren&#39;t?

Favorite Democrats: Bill Clinton, because he knew that the liberal platform was a dead-end; same with other Democrats who endorse the same platform.

Favorite Republicans: Newt Gingrich, Bill Buckley, Rudy Giuliani, Ronald Reagan.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Edmund Burke, John Locke, Leo Strauss, Machiavelli, Nietzche, Heidegger, St. Thomas Aquinas,

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 08:41 PM
Influencers: Bakunin, Marx, Kropotkin, Proudhon (I must be the only one who hasn&#39;t read much of any of these people but instead just takes the basic ideas&#33;)

Redstar2000
You aren;t by far...I&#39;d say most anarchists haven&#39;t.

And didn&#39;t you say your dad makes like 200k a year?&#33;

[Pascziek]

Initials: JDP
Age: 15
Political Affiliation: Libertarian Communis+t
Religion: Born Roman Catholic, However Athiest
Ethnicity: Polish or lithuanian. Grandparents went into hiding during WWII, never talked about it.
Class of Origin: middle Class
Location: NY
Job: Lifeguard at a young boy&#39;s camp, student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: none

Stances

George Bush: 1/10 as president

Foreign Policy: bullshit
War in Iraq: No
War in Afghanistan: No
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): No
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: Against
Gun Control: Limited
Government: Downsize it
Education: Public and free
Globalization: Against
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Serious question?
Fascism: Against
Communism: Another serious question?
Favorite Democrats: The ones that don&#39;t fuck the world up... a.k.a. none
Favorite Republicans: lol

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs) Lenin, Marx, Trotsky

[BobKKKindle$]

Initials: BJK
Age: 17
Political Affiliation: Revolutionary Socialist upholding the Juche idea
Religion: Born Christian, Fervent Atheist
Ethnicity: Insignificant, but Caucasian
Class of Origin: Upper-Bourgeoisie (But a traitor to my Class&#33;)
Location: HK
Job: A-Level Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Economist, BBC World Service, Democracy Now,

Stances

George Bush: A president who upholds Corporate and Neo Conservative Interests - utterly despicable

Foreign Policy: A Continuation of the Capitalist Economic System -Self interest above all else

War in Iraq: Control of Resources and political influence in the middle east.

War in Afghanistan: Supporting the Keynesian Arms economy that operates in the US, part of the politics of fear.

War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Both Sides at fault, but I would support a Victory for Palestine and Hezbollah

Same-sex Marriage: Critical of the concept of marriage, but supportive of egalitarianism

Women&#39;s rights: A Cause worth fighting for, although secondary to Class Struggle - Women cannot be considered a uniform group within the relations of production, and so cannot be considered a class.

Abortion: Acceptable in cases where the Health of the Mother is at risk

Gun Control: Unnecessary in post-revolutionary Society - This Commodity would not be produced under a system of Democratic Workers Councils, because Society would not contain the conflict and fear that exists under Capitalism.

Government: Should be based upon Workers Councils and Direct Democracy, not a centralised Heirachy

Education: Should be a pleasure, and not simply a means to achieve qualifications

Globalization: A very vauge question - Globalisation is a broad term covering a wide range of different concepts - Technological Globalisation...Ideological Globalisation..etc

Capitalism: A Cruel and Exploitative Mode of production

Socialism: A necessary Period Following the overthrow of Capitalism in which Economic Self Reliance will be achieved and the revolution defended&#33;

Fascism: An ideology that seeks to divide the Power of the Workers through petty Ethnic and Nationalistic Struggle

Communism: I do not believe a State-less or Class-less Society Can exist.

Favorite Democrats: Not familiar with American Politics

Favorite Republicans: See above

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs) Herbert Marcuse, Guy Debord, Kim Il Sung, Mao tse Tung, Vladimir lenin, Noam Chomsky, Kropotokin, Baukinin, Karl Marx

[NoMoreBosses]

Freedom rocks.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 03:20 PM
But what is it about Capitalism that you find so resentable? Is it the opressed and starving people of the world? If so then there is no single remedy to ending world suffering, there is, in my humble opinion, a solution to the problems of every nation.
Where the hell do I start? Historically speaking, capitalism is responsible for the slaughter of more people than probably any other economic system to date. And may well be responsible for the obliteration of life on earth, through ecological damage. However, I suppose from a moral position, the dehumanisation it enforces on to people. The reduction of humans into cogs, life into work, Objects into commodities ect is one of the most repulsive aspects, to me at least.

The whole system is based on vicious unspoken threats, the only reason a shop charges you say, 25c for a loaf of bread, is because they know you will starve to death (or suffer in some way) without it. The only reason they don&#39;t charge you 50c, is because you will go somewhere else. It&#39;s not in anyone&#39;s interest to feed you, the system would rather watch people suffer and starve than give away potential profit, this is the fundamental nature of the free market.

Of course, the main issue is class, apparently the class divide in the UK is as big today as it was in the Victorian era, and they say the class war is over :lol:


But what is it also about violent militance that appeals to your beliefs? If one is against the opressed and the poor, it would be contradictory to do violent things to others, not even from a moral standpoint but from a political standpoint.

Im not "against" the opressed and the poor... and I fail to see what&#39;s contradictory about violent struggle. We want equality, and make no mistake, the pompus, fat, glutanous bourguisie will send their police and their soliders to defend their hoarded wealth. Violence perhaps isn&#39;t desireable but it&#39;s necissary, capitalism clearly isn&#39;t going to surrender. Even when it&#39;s destruction is enevitable.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by bobkindles+--> (bobkindles)Women&#39;s rights: A Cause worth fighting for, although secondary to Class Struggle - Women cannot be considered a uniform group within the relations of production, and so cannot be considered a class.[/b]

Yeah that&#39;s why most people use the term &#39;sex&#39; or &#39;gender&#39;.

And why is it so hard to fight sexism (within the left and society more generally) and capitalism simultaneously? It&#39;s not as if you live in a country of frenetic revolutionary upheaval (not that that should make a difference, but for the sake of this point...), so why should the oppression of wom*n take a backseat to class? We need to tackle both, and sexism will not disappear after &#39;the revolution&#39; - you should be fighting it now, as well as capitalism.


Originally posted by [email protected]

Abortion: Acceptable in cases where the Health of the Mother is at risk

How can someone be a &#39;mother&#39; of a fetus? Mother implies that it&#39;s actually a birthed child, but whatever - what about if a wom*n decides that she just doesnt want to have a child for whatever reason? Nothing at all to do with &#39;health risks&#39; - is that acceptable?


bobkindles

Communism: I do not believe a State-less or Class-less Society Can exist.

Why not?

Or is that you want a society centred on a state and with class relationships?

[BobKKKindle$]

How can someone be a &#39;mother&#39; of a fetus? Mother implies that it&#39;s actually a birthed child, but whatever - what about if a wom*n decides that she just doesnt want to have a child for whatever reason? Nothing at all to do with &#39;health risks&#39; - is that acceptable?

The Basic principle of Rights is that one can freely act, so long as it does not infringe upon the right of others to a safe and secure environment. Given that there is a mountian of evidence on both sides as to whether a Fetus can be considered alive, and at what age, and given that the right to life is the most fundamental right, it is clear that an abortion could potentially infringe upon the crucial right to life that all Humans, of whatever age, have. So, no, in cases of convenience, Abortion should not be allowed. It should be noted that one of the key reasons for Abortions, particuarly in the cases of Underage pregnancy, is that the mother would be unable to financially support the child. This would of course not be an issue in a Socialist Society.

A Woman can be considered the Mother of a fetus even if it not born. A Mother is the parent that gestates the fetus until the child has undergone sufficicent development to be born.


Or is that you want a society centred on a state and with class relationships?

Sorry, I should not have included &#39;classless&#39; in that Statement, that was a typing error on my part. But regarding the issue of a State, I think that a State exists to serve the interests of the ruling Class. Therefore, if the proletariat is established as the ruling class, a State can serve a Classless society. I feel that a State (A set of institutions that assert some degree of control over a country) is necessary for certain items of national importance, most notably, the defence of the revolution, and the establishsment of an independent national economy. I would be interested to hear someone argue that industrialisation can be accomplished through decentralized workers councils.

[chimx]

Initials: M.a.t.t. B.r.e.h.e.
Age: 24
Political Affiliation: None
Religion: None
Ethnicity: My tribe comes from the caucasus mountains
Class of Origin: Petit-bourgeois
Location: Montana
Job: Roofer, aspiring historian.
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Economist

Stances
George Bush: He seems nice enough
Foreign Policy: This is too broad to answer
War in Iraq: meh
War in Afghanistan: meh
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): not surprising. i am pretty indifferent to Israel&#39;s actions up until the bombing of beirut
Same-sex Marriage: gay marriage is a semantical argument that annoys the piss out of me, but we can say i&#39;m in favor to make it easier.
Women&#39;s rights: sure
Abortion: yes
Gun Control: from my cold dead hands...
Government: abolish it
Education: who is opposed to education?
Globalization: a byproduct of finance capitalism--the investment of capital globally. It is a fact of life, not a moral issue.
Capitalism: a byproduct of centralized capital, populations, etc. it is a material reality, not a moral issue.
Socialism: as a transitional phase to communism i feel it is an inevitability, though it should be constantly attacked as an evil and pushed forward towards classlessness and statelessness.
Fascism: is dead
Communism: with a lower &#39;c&#39; is something I look forward to.
Favorite Democrat: Thomas Jefferson
Favorite Republican: Abraham Lincoln

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs): Pyotr Kropotkin, Gaius Gracchus

[ebeneezer]

Initials: irrelevent
Age: 24
Political Affiliation: capitalist authoritah
Religion: myself...
Ethnicity: German/Polish.
Class of Origin: middle/upper...
Location: depends on the season.
Job: huh?
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: the economist, forbes.

Stances
George Bush: 8/10 (Reagan 10/10).
Foreign Policy: Interntional capitalism.
War in Iraq: Against Saddam, no. Against Al Quida, pro.
War in Afghanistan: pro
War against Hizbollah: pro, lebanese capitalists, non.
Same-sex Marriage: who cares.
Women&#39;s rights: not really an issue anymore.
Abortion: up to individuals, couples.
Gun Control: guns are cool.
Government: drop taxes make gov smaller.
Education: privatise it.
Globalization: OH YES&#33;
Capitalism: uh huh.
Socialism: stuff and nonsence.
Fascism: see socialism...
Communism: heaven doesnt exist either...
Favorite Democrat: huh?
Favorite Republican: Reagan.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? Adam Smith, Marquis De Sade, Mark Twain, Charles Dickens. Lucretius.

[TC]

Initials: S.
Age: 20
Political Affiliation: Communist, Marxist
Religion: Fundamentalist Atheist
Ethnicity: Yankee
Class of Origin: Ideological
Location: London, UK
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: WorkersWorld (http://www.workers.org) People&#39;s Daily (http://english.people.com.cn/)
Al Jazeera (http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage) Granma (http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/)

Stances

George Bush: 9/10 as an Arab-French-Korean fusion delicacy served medium-rare

Foreign Policy: The left needs to be as geo-politically realist as the right; i support the strategic ambitious of the People&#39;s Republic of China, the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, and their allies, the DPRK, Cuba, Bolivia, Vietnam.
War in Iraq: I support the Iraqi patriotic, armed resistance to imperialist occupation and Shia fundementalism.
War in Afghanistan: Support&#33; I support Americans killing Taleban and Taleban killing Americans and am hoping for high casulities on both sides and a drawn out conflict which will tie US troops down in a strategically irrelevant country.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against, although i&#39;m in favor of Hezbollah operations against Israel.
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Theres no such thing as &#39;women&#39;s rights&#39;, there just human rights.
Abortion: Support, unconditionally, on demand.
Gun Control: I support taking away class enemies guns and arming the workers.
Government: Depends on who the ruling class is.
Education: Should be public, secular, and free of cost
Globalization: Obviously against neo-liberal globalization
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Support
Fascism: The Soviet Union eleminated Fascism as relevant force in politics.
Communism: Communism is simply the theoretical result of a global workers state: A state is the dictatorship of one class against another, when the working class eliminates all the other classes, the society is stateless by definition.
Favorite Democrats: Fmr. US Attn. Gen. Cde. Ramsey Clark
Favorite Republicans: The Iraqi guard kind :-p.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Fred. Engels, Vlad Lenin, Mao Zedong, Nikita Khrushchev, Leonid Brezhnev, Fidel Castro, Herbert Marcuse, J-P Sartre, Hugo Chavez, Prachanada, Sam Marcy, Ramsey Clark,

[ZhangXun]

Where the hell do I start? Historically speaking, capitalism is responsible for the slaughter of more people than probably any other economic system to date.

That isn&#39;t true, and if you read history you would know that. Fascism and authoritarianism is. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Saddam Hussein, "Pap Doc", Benito Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Pol Pot, were not exactly the most Capitalistic minded people. Granted the U.S and other Western nations have enged in repulsive covert operations in Central America and elsewhere throughout history but the death toll does not even sratch the surface Fascism and Authoritarianism have brought.


And may well be responsible for the obliteration of life on earth, through ecological damage.

Capitalism is not what is destroying the environment, it can be doctored to be more eco-friendly, Industrialization is. And the chemical spills in the Aral and Caspian Seas of Kazakhstan were not the product of a Capitalist nation.


However, I suppose from a moral position, the dehumanisation it enforces on to people. The reduction of humans into cogs, life into work, Objects into commodities ect is one of the most repulsive aspects, to me at least.

Interesting set of beliefs you have, I can&#39;t say I agree but you sure do know what you stand for.


The whole system is based on vicious unspoken threats, the only reason a shop charges you say, 25c for a loaf of bread, is because they know you will starve to death (or suffer in some way) without it. The only reason they don&#39;t charge you 50c, is because you will go somewhere else. It&#39;s not in anyone&#39;s interest to feed you, the system would rather watch people suffer and starve than give away potential profit, this is the fundamental nature of the free market.

But people are able to live so well (most of them) in places like the United States because of the free market and individual production, we have things like welfare and unemployment to help the poor get by. People like Andrew Carnegie and Alexander Hamilton rose from rags to riches in a Capitalist system. People have to make a living in this system and to do that they need to sell products or work for money, I don&#39;t see much wrong in that. My boss works nine hours a day, seven days a week (owns family run conveniance store) and he&#39;s a happy man, with a great family and a comfortable life. Many are not as fortunate, that&#39;s where private charities and public shelters come into play.


Of course, the main issue is class, apparently the class divide in the UK is as big today as it was in the Victorian era, and they say the class war is over

Where does the progress come from hating the rich and the upper middle class? If workers control the means of production according to the ideals of Socialism then nothing will get done. The whole idea of work is essentially "you sratch my back and i&#39;ll scratch yours", Capitalism allows promotions and opportunities to workers who work hard. There is no point to ending the class system, it will always exist in some form or another no matter what.


Im not "against" the opressed and the poor... and I fail to see what&#39;s contradictory about violent struggle.

Look closer, revolutionary socialists and anarchists claim they fight for justice, to end the explotation of the "proletariat" by the "burgoise", yet in nearly every one of these revolutions there people end up being oppressed. If the workers of the world truly stand for revolutionary ideals, there would be more revolutions and less Capitalism, that&#39;s it.


We want equality, and make no mistake, the pompus, fat, glutanous bourguisie will send their police and their soliders to defend their hoarded wealth.

Many of these "fat pompus bourgoiuse" give millions of dollars to charity and the needy. My father works for a foundation started by a New York billionare for the poor. The idea that all upper class hate the poor and turn a deaf ear at their plight is false.


Violence perhaps isn&#39;t desireable but it&#39;s necissary, capitalism clearly isn&#39;t going to surrender. Even when it&#39;s destruction is enevitable.

Violence wouldn&#39;t be used in such liberal doses by revolutionaries if they did not see it as an easy way to get what they want fast. Leon Trotski himself wrote a book in 1920 called Communism and Terror. Violence is almost always the end result, if revolutionaries were as popular among the working masses as they say, they could join the political office and get elected in fairly.

[Cult of Reason]

Initials: Paranoid
Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Anarchist Communist Technocrat, Transhumanist. I think there should be revolutions accross continents with the introduction of Communism and the subsequent construction of a technate. I think this will first happen in Europe.
Religion: Christened Lutheran, but militant atheist
Ethnicity: Half Icelandic, half English
Class of Origin: Proletarian: no other class definition matters.
Location: UK
Job: None, a situation I have been trying to perpetuate over the last two years.
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: RevLeft, technocracy.ca, Wikipedia, Internet in general

Stances:

George Bush: Fuck him and all power-hungry bastards.

Foreign Policy: If the Imperialists ever try to invade the revolutionary areas in Europe, they will be repulsed by the armed proletariat. In the meantime, nuke laden ICBMs will eliminate them. Of course, for that reason they are unlikely to invade: they would know that we have nukes.

War in Iraq: Who cares? As it is now, Iraq is fucked either way, and before the war. The only difference is that with war, more people die in the meantime, so I am against.

War in Afghanistan: See above

War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): See above. :rolleyes:

Same-sex Marriage: Against: I am against marriage as I am against the state: they are intimately linked.

Women&#39;s rights: Complete equality regardless of sex, colour or any other descriptor.

Abortion: I am Male, it is none of my business what she does with her body, it is completely her choice. Babies are part of the woman&#39;s body until birth.

Gun Control: Against. Arm the proletariat. Also, whatever happened to individual freedom?

Government: Kill it.

Education: Free, both in price and nature.

Globalization: Real globalisation, support. Capitalist globalisation, against.

Capitalism: Abolish.

Socialism: I you mean USSR etc., fuck it. If you mean some true Socialism (collectivism?), OK.

Fascism: Shoot them.

Communism: Yes&#33;

Technate: Fuck yes&#33;

Favorite Democrats: :rolleyes:

Favorite Republicans: :rolleyes:

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Since the ideology I have seems to have been my own invention, I will list a few things it is based on, and relevant people. Technocracy: Howard Scott, M. King Hubbert, Nikola Tesla, Charles Proteus Steinmetz, other Technical Alliance members. Also: Karl Marx, Mikhail Bakunin, Peter Kropotkin, assorted reds (and blacks). ;)

And Myself, very much so. Forget Marxism or Mao Tse Tung Thought, Harald(u)rism&#33; Haraldur Thought&#33;

[More Fire for the People]

Initials: L.W.
Age: 16
Political Affiliation: Marxist-Leninist
Religion: None
Ethnicity: Caucasian-Native American
Class of Origin: Prole
Location: —
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Monthly Review

Stances
George Bush: -3
Foreign Policy: Anti-imperialist, proletarian internationalist
War in Iraq: I support the IFC and other progressive resistances groups. Islamic natinalists are the &#39;least bad&#39; option.
War in Afghanistan: Support indigenious reistance.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against.
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support&#33;
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Gun control? Yes, I support proletarian control over guns. :)
Government: working people&#39;s democratic republic
Education: Public, secular, and humanistic
Globalization: Anti-globalization
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Support
Fascism: Oppose with a brick
Communism: Support with my life
Favorite Democrats: None
Favorite Republicans: El no.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao Tse-Tung, Ernesto &#39;Che&#39; Guevara, Huey P. Newton, Fred Hampton, Malcom X, Herbert Marcuse, and Antonio Gramsci.

[Zero]

Originally posted by "ZhangXun"
That isn&#39;t true, and if you read history you would know that. Fascism and authoritarianism is. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Saddam Hussein, "Pap Doc", Benito Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Pol Pot, were not exactly the most Capitalistic minded people. Granted the U.S and other Western nations have enged in repulsive covert operations in Central America and elsewhere throughout history but the death toll does not even sratch the surface Fascism and Authoritarianism have brought.
http://www.care.org/campaigns/world-hunger/facts.asp

[ZhangXun]

Originally posted by Zero+Jul 20 2006, 09:32 PM--> (Zero @ Jul 20 2006, 09:32 PM)
"ZhangXun"
That isn&#39;t true, and if you read history you would know that. Fascism and authoritarianism is. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Saddam Hussein, "Pap Doc", Benito Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Pol Pot, were not exactly the most Capitalistic minded people. Granted the U.S and other Western nations have enged in repulsive covert operations in Central America and elsewhere throughout history but the death toll does not even sratch the surface Fascism and Authoritarianism have brought.
http://www.care.org/campaigns/world-hunger/facts.asp [/b]
Yes..statistics on global poverty. Over 20,000 people will die every day from starvation, what does this have to do with the debate?

[Connolly]

Yes..statistics on global poverty. Over 20,000 people will die every day from starvation, what does this have to do with the debate?

It means a fundamental flaw in the systems of production.

This system of production is supported by the bourgeois state - whatever fascist or democtaric illusions may exist.

[Connolly]

Initials: Now now ;)
Age: Id rather not disclose.
Political Affiliation: Marxist
Religion: None
Ethnicity: Irish - Libyan
Class of Origin: Working class with single mother.
Location: Dublin
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Nah - dont read them much.

Stances

George Bush: 0/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Isolationist
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Against
Government: Scrap it
Education: Bring into the hands of the people
Globalization: Ummm....Against its consequences - seems inevitable
Capitalism: Support to an extent - it being progressive in terms of production and the elimination of moral reaction
Socialism: For.
Fascism: Against reaction
Communism: Most logical outcome

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

I dont attach myself to anyone in particular - Marx I suppose.

[Comrade J]

Initials: Now that would be telling....
Age: Almost 18
Political Affiliation: Far left
Religion: Abolish it. I&#39;m atheist.
Ethnicity: White, English... I have Irish & Dutch ancestry
Class of Origin: Prole, but my father is now petty bourgeois
Location: North West England
Job: 6th Form Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: bbc.co.uk for most of my news, then I occasionally read the Independent, and the Morning Star, which I find boring.

Stances

George Bush: Charismatic, but useless and dangerously corrupt

Foreign Policy: Depends on situation. Anti-imperialist, but pro-war if it&#39;s for the benefit of the international proletariat.
War in Iraq: Against.
War in Afghanistan: Against. However had the new regime not been a pro-western puppet government, and had it promoted equal rights for women and not been a collective of war mongerers, I would have been in favour.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support, though I am not in favour of marriage. But at the moment, the main priority would be gay rights.
Women&#39;s rights: Fully support.
Abortion: For.
Gun Control: Against.
Government: Unneccesary. The proletariat can rule themselves.
Education: Free for all, should be compulsory for under 16&#39;s, with more emphasis on self-research (to make students more aware of biased sources) and community.
Globalization: It has some positive aspects, class awareness is likely to increase.
Capitalism: Against, it&#39;s a barbaric and unfair system
Socialism: For, I believe it&#39;s likely to be a necessary stage before communism, though we cannot know for sure. I think socialism should last only a short period before it is done away with, when the &#39;pillars&#39; of communist society are in place.
Fascism: Against, with absolutely no exceptions.
Communism: For, following socialism, if this is seen as necessary.
Favourite Democrats: -
Favourite Republicans: -

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Guevara, Lenin (though he failed at what he set out to do) - and I also admire the works of Chomsky and Bakunin.

[RevSouth]

Initials: N/A
Age: 16-ish
Political Affiliation: Neo-Fuck American Politics
Religion: N/A
Ethnicity: Irish-German/Austrian-Scots-Slav-English-Cherokee-African
Class of Origin: Middle Class, upper probably
Location: Southeast U.S.A.
Job: Plastic Factory/Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Fuck Newspapers. Long live the Internet&#33;

Stances

George Bush: Did bad even in relation to former American presidents

Foreign Policy: Anti-Imperialist
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against-
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Against
Government: Do away with it
Education: Compulsory to a point
Globalization: Against. In its present manifestation, anyway.
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Depends on Situation
Fascism: Against
Communism: Libertarian Marxism, possibly, hover between it and Anarchism
Favorite Democrats: N/A
Favorite Republicans: N/A

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Oliver Law, Mother Jones, Emma Goldman, will add more later.

[Publius]

Initials: None
Age: 17
Political Affiliation: Freethinker/Savant
Religion: None (Atheist)
Ethnicity: English/Irish/German/Whatever
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: Ohio, in a cornfield
Job: None
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Economist. I read others, but that&#39;s my favorite.

Stances

George Bush: 1/10 as president, simply because I can concieve of a worse one.

Foreign Policy: Peaceful Globalization.
War in Iraq: Oppose
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Opposeish
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Support
Government: Fix it
Education: Reform it, possibly through use of vouchers
Globalization: Strong support. Globalization is humanism.
Capitalism: Support. Consequentialist. I support whatever can be shown to work best.
Socialism: Support. Consequentialist. I support whatever can be shown to work best.
Fascism: Against. Consequentialist. I support whatever can be shown to work best.
Communism: Don&#39;t consider it to be a unique political philosophy any longer. I don&#39;t see how it differs, in practice, from any other form of Socialism or Anarchism.
Favorite Democrats: Feingold, except for his anti-globalization stance.
Favorite Republicans: Ron Paul. At least he&#39;s principled and honest.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

None.

[Connolly]

:lol:

your actually a somewhat progressive guy publius. Gosh&#33; - I didnt think you were as young as 17 to be honest.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Initials: kTS
Age: 22
Political Affiliation: Marxist Communist
Religion: None im Atheist
Ethnicity: im english and not proud
Class of Origin: working Class
Location: Portsmourth/Gatwick
Job: Student/work at a bookies too, innit
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Socialist and the morning star

Stances

George Bush: When you compare him to the founding fathers, hes pretty good as he dont own any slaves and hasnt commited genocide (yet)

Foreign Policy: Anti-imperialism. Right to national self determination. Workers internationalism.
War in Iraq: Oppose
War in Afghanistan: Oppose
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Oppose
Same-sex Marriage: if we gotta have marriage, might as well let queer people ruin theirs lives too :P
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: i dont really care
Government: an actual democtratic marxist government
Education: People should be able to complete education when they want to. And it should be atheist.
Globalization: Against Bourgeois globalization
Capitalism: Against it. Burn the Bourgiosie
Socialism: Support there is no doubt
Fascism: Against.
Communism: The best society people can create for themselves.
Favorite Labour Party member: Tony Benn, he is the good guy and always looks killer
Favorite Conservative Party memeber: Jeffery Archer. I love the way he lies and gets cought. hahaha

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Gramsci (even though he was a lirrel bit staliny) David Harvey, Noam Chomsky.

[Marxist_Fire]

Initials: T.J.S.
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: Marxist (Trotskyist)
Religion: Atheist
Ethnicity: Irish-Italian-Austrian
Class of Origin: Middle-Class
Location: Pennsylvania, United States of America
Job: student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Socialist Worker, International Socialist Review, Monthly Review

Stances

George Bush: 0/10; (war criminal, mass murderer)

Foreign Policy: Anti-imperialist
War in Iraq: Very Strongly Oppose
War in Afghanistan: Very Strongly Oppose
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Very Strongly Oppose
Same-sex Marriage: Very Strongly Support
Women&#39;s rights: Very Strongly Support
Abortion: Unapologetically pro-choice
Gun Control: Workers need guns for the revolution
Government: Transform it into a workers&#39; democracy
Education: Free education for all
Globalization: I am against globalization on a neoliberal model
Capitalism: Very Strongly Oppose
Socialism: Very Strongly Support (in its *real* form)
Fascism: Very Strongly Oppose
Communism: Very Strongly Support (in its *real* form)
Favorite Democrats: none
Favorite Republicans: none

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 09:15 PM
Adolf Hitler,
Brought in backed by, and strengthened by capitalists.


Joseph Stalin,

A state capitalist


Saddam Hussein, "

see hitler


Benito Mussolini,

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."


were not exactly the most Capitalistic minded people. Granted the U.S and other Western nations have enged in repulsive covert operations in Central America and elsewhere throughout history but the death toll does not even sratch the surface Fascism and Authoritarianism have brought.

Statistically, due to inefficiency of food distribution within capitalism, someone starves to death every 3 seconds. Capitalism is responsible for all the starvation, poverty, genocide&#39;s (including the holocaust) for the death of everyone who didn&#39;t receive standard medical treatment ect. List as many dictators as you want, I doubt you&#39;ll ever find a group as blood thirsty as the capitalists. What&#39;s more due to the profitability of depleted uranium (and it&#39;s consequent use) your system will be killing people for the next 4.5 billion years, regardless of whether we smash it now or not.


Capitalism is not what is destroying the environment, it can be doctored to be more eco-friendly, Industrialization is. And the chemical spills in the Aral and Caspian Seas of Kazakhstan were not the product of a Capitalist nation.

Not the point. Capitalists have no concern for "what&#39;s green" they are concerned with "what profitable" it doesn&#39;t matter if profit comes from using fossil fuels, child labour, supporting a genocidal maniac or selling harmful goods, history has shown they will do it.


But people are able to live so well (most of them) in places like the United States because of the free market and individual production, we have things like welfare and unemployment to help the poor get by.

You shouldn&#39;t need the welfare state, throwing bread crumbs down to the have nots who are in fact the vast majority. The proletariat in the west are better off than the proletariat in the poorer nations, but we&#39;re still caged, cut up fed out, pumped full distorted truths, forced into a state of precarity ect ect



People like Andrew Carnegie and Alexander Hamilton rose from rags to riches in a Capitalist system

Firstly, these stories are rarer than platinum mines. Secondly, these people didn&#39;t earn fuck all. If an entrepreneur starts a business, it&#39;s still the working people that produce the profit, he just steals it off them because "he owns the machines" ignoring the fact that the machines were paid for with the profit the workers made him.



People have to make a living in this system and to do that they need to sell products or work for money, I don&#39;t see much wrong in that. My boss works nine hours a day, seven days a week (owns family run conveniance store) and he&#39;s a happy man, with a great family and a comfortable life. Many are not as fortunate, that&#39;s where private charities and public shelters come into play.

So it&#39;s make the big time or starve o death, luckily there are some kind people who might give you some soup and bread and let you sleep in the church pews but besides that your a worthless subhuman pile of shit. Be more like richard Brandson, and pray for fogivenes...Forgive me for not seeing the virtues in your real life nightmare


Where does the progress come from hating the rich and the upper middle class?

The progress comes from the obliteration of these classes.


If workers control the means of production according to the ideals of Socialism then nothing will get done.

That doesn&#39;t even make sense


The whole idea of work is essentially "you sratch my back and i&#39;ll scratch yours",

No the idea of work is, we need something done in order to survive, let&#39;s do it.


Capitalism allows promotions and opportunities to workers who work hard. There is no point to ending the class system, it will always exist in some form or another no matter what.

No it wont.


Look closer, revolutionary socialists and anarchists claim they fight for justice, to end the explotation of the "proletariat" by the "burgoise", yet in nearly every one of these revolutions there people end up being oppressed

When has a successful anarchist revolution ever ended in oppression? hmm?


If the workers of the world truly stand for revolutionary ideals, there would be more revolutions and less Capitalism, that&#39;s it.

true.


Many of these "fat pompus bourgoiuse" give millions of dollars to charity and the needy. My father works for a foundation started by a New York billionare for the poor. The idea that all upper class hate the poor and turn a deaf ear at their plight is false.

Charity is absolutely pointless, patronising, and nothing but a hobby. I have no respect for a fat popus billionare tha tsxpoited billions of hard working people, and then inflates his already obeese ego by giving some back.


Violence wouldn&#39;t be used in such liberal doses by revolutionaries if they did not see it as an easy way to get what they want fast. Leon Trotski himself wrote a book in 1920 called Communism and Terror. Violence is almost always the end result, if revolutionaries were as popular among the working masses as they say, they could join the political office and get elected in fairly.

No because the ellectoral system is bunk revolutionaries shouldn&#39;t touch it with a barge pole.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 12:29 AM
Initials: None
Age: 17
Political Affiliation: Freethinker/Savant
Religion: None (Atheist)
Ethnicity: English/Irish/German/Whatever
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: Ohio, in a cornfield
Job: None
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Economist. I read others, but that&#39;s my favorite.

Stances

George Bush: 1/10 as president, simply because I can concieve of a worse one.

Foreign Policy: Peaceful Globalization.
War in Iraq: Oppose
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Opposeish
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Support
Government: Fix it
Education: Reform it, possibly through use of vouchers
Globalization: Strong support. Globalization is humanism.
Capitalism: Support. Consequentialist. I support whatever can be shown to work best.
Socialism: Support. Consequentialist. I support whatever can be shown to work best.
Fascism: Against. Consequentialist. I support whatever can be shown to work best.
Communism: Don&#39;t consider it to be a unique political philosophy any longer. I don&#39;t see how it differs, in practice, from any other form of Socialism or Anarchism.
Favorite Democrats: Feingold, except for his anti-globalization stance.
Favorite Republicans: Ron Paul. At least he&#39;s principled and honest.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

None.
Would this put you in the social-democrat "Capitalism&#39;s all right, it just needs tweaked a bit" catagory?

[Janus]

To each his own beliefs, he was the inspiration for conservatism in China, contributing greatly to its slow rise to superpower status and decline into chaos.
I would say he mainly contributed to corruption and inefficiency.

I know many do not approve of his dogmatic conservatism and respect for authority, but I admire his personal convictions in respecting the elderly and authority, I feel his teachings are full of wisdom.
Confucianism pretty much calls for blind obedience to authority figures.


But about what you think, what is it about Confucious that you can&#39;t stand? What are the problems with his conservative philosophies that you see?
The fact that is a reactionary pile of trash and still has a major influence on the Chinese. :angry:

If you wanna discuss Confucianism, I suggest you start a whole new thread.

[Publius]

Would this put you in the social-democrat "Capitalism&#39;s all right, it just needs tweaked a bit" catagory?

Perhaps.

I think externalities need to be managed.

Most libertarians disagree with that, but I think it&#39;s the only sensible solution.

[Loknar]

Initials: KL
Age: 21
Political Affiliation: Centrist
Religion: No Religious Affiliation (though belief in God is quite strong)
Ethnicity: Irish, English, Polish, German, French
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: Illinois, USA
Job: Produce Clerk
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: BBC.com, Foxnews

Stances

George Bush: ?/10 (Hard to say now...)

Foreign Policy: America First, Pre-emption, Unlaterialism, Establishment of the AMerican
Empire
War in Iraq: Initial Support
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against Invasion, Supports small scale Special
Operations
Same-sex Marriage: Against
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Against (except when the Mothers life is at risk)
Gun Control: Against
Government: Support Strong Authority of the Executive over any form of Legislature
Education: 100% financial support even thru College
Globalization: Support 100% so long as America and Britain are the authority
Capitalism: Support
Socialism: Some Support
Fascism: Against
Communism: Against
Favorite Democrats: Liberman, Clintion, FDR, Truman,
Favorite Republicans: George W Bush, Regan (no he didnt destroy the reds), John
McCaine

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms
of alignment of beliefs)

I am not sure if there are many people who would see eye to eye with me. Politicians
typically have to take either 1 side or another so hard to see anybody who would agree
with me.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Additives [email protected] 21 2006, 03:10 PM
Statistically, due to inefficiency of food distribution within capitalism, someone starves to death every 3 seconds. Capitalism is responsible for all the starvation, poverty, genocide&#39;s (including the holocaust) for the death of everyone who didn&#39;t receive standard medical treatment ect. List as many dictators as you want, I doubt you&#39;ll ever find a group as blood thirsty as the capitalists. What&#39;s more due to the profitability of depleted uranium (and it&#39;s consequent use) your system will be killing people for the next 4.5 billion years, regardless of whether we smash it now or not.
You are a total idiot. Depleted Uranium is less radioactive than most background radiation.

[red team]

I really have a hard time believing that spent nuclear power plant fuel is less radioactive than most background radiation which is what depleted uranium essentially is.

Call me skeptical but...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

According to the WHO (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/), use of depleted uranium will, and I quote "make a negligible contribution to the overall natural background levels of uranium in the environment".

I would actually be more concerned about DU as a toxic heavy metal than a radioactive isotope.

[Ragnar]

Initials: CCS
Age: 14
Political Affiliation: Extreme Libertarian, AKA old conservative, not &#39;Neocon&#39;
Religion: Jewish
Ethnicity: Irish-Italian-German(with some Scottish)
Class of Origin: Lower class aroun birth to 5, parents worked up to lower upper class
Location: Texas, United States of America
Job: None yet
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers:

Stances
George Bush: 4/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Isolationist, Retaliatory interactions only, regards of international support.
War in Iraq: against
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: Against
Gun Control: Against
Government: Downsize it
Education: Reform it or privatize it.
Globalization: Neutral, it seems inevitable though.
Capitalism: Support
Socialism: Against
Fascism: Against
Communism:No.
Favorite Democrats: Andrew Jackson
Favorite Republicans: Eisenhower

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)
Ayn Rand

[Corvus]

Initials: BJHM
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: Green Communism via Eco-fabian
Religion: Haudenosaunee
Ethnicity: Native North American, 5 Nations, Mohawk, Brown Bear
Class of Origin: Lowest class you can think of, I live on a Reserve...
Location: 6 Nations Reserve Brantford Ontario Canada
Job: Chief Restoration Ecologist and Assistant Researcher at Sir Sandfording Fleming College
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Hamilton Spectator, Toronto Sun, Toronto Star
George Bush: first term -/10 he was not president, you must be elected president, second term 0/10 as president
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support, being transgendered and all
Abortion: support
Gun Control: support
Government: Increase size, the government should tell you when to wipe your ass(joking joking, but it does need to be big)
Education: complete universal education, no matter citizenship or age, univeristy, college, trade
Globalization:Against it, however globalization of the worlds countries I support, one big ass country
Capitalism: should die
Socialism: Against, but its the lesser of the two evils
Fascism: Against
Communism: Communism with government

[ZhangXun]

Brought in backed by, and strengthened by capitalists.

Paul von Hindenburg was a right wing Capitalist no doubt about that but Hitler was not, his atrocities were pursued under the racist phenomenon of National Socialism, America, Britain, Russia, and the other Allied nations fought against his tyranny.


A state capitalist

Incorrect, an authoritarian Communist. He is the one who started the collectivization of farms in the U.S.S.R on a large scale, and one who pursued heavy centralization, going so far as to centralize Aitheist militance by creating the League of the Militant Godless (Aitheists) as a government institution.


see hitler

The Ba&#39;ath Party is a Fascist party with Socialist tendencies, not Capitalist.


"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

Mussolini was a Fascist first, a Capitalist free market supporter second, most (nearly all) of Italy&#39;s highways were built under Mussolini&#39;s government programs, his word was law.


Statistically, due to inefficiency of food distribution within capitalism, someone starves to death every 3 seconds. Capitalism is responsible for all the starvation, poverty, genocide&#39;s (including the holocaust) for the death of everyone who didn&#39;t receive standard medical treatment ect. List as many dictators as you want, I doubt you&#39;ll ever find a group as blood thirsty as the capitalists. What&#39;s more due to the profitability of depleted uranium (and it&#39;s consequent use) your system will be killing people for the next 4.5 billion years, regardless of whether we smash it now or not.

Let me ask you this, why do you hold Capitalism responsible for the starvation, poverty, and genocide of all in history and not put any responsibility on the shoulders of the tyrants who allow these things to happen. Stalin was no Capitalist, and through direct actions he is known as the worst murderer in human history. You seem to think that sending over payloads of food will help the situation, did you ever stop to think about what will happen to the farmers in the countries requiring aid? Did you ever think that with companies being contracted to irrigate and help grow that the problem of starvation won&#39;t turn these nations into welfare states entirely dependant on another?


Not the point. Capitalists have no concern for "what&#39;s green" they are concerned with "what profitable" it doesn&#39;t matter if profit comes from using fossil fuels, child labour, supporting a genocidal maniac or selling harmful goods, history has shown they will do it.

I&#39;m a Capitalist supporter and an environmentalist, many in this country are and the government will slap regulations on companies to keep them from pursuing potentially destructive projects. That, and your view of history seems incredibly warped, let me guess you read Howard Zinn&#39;s "A People&#39;s History of the United States"?


You shouldn&#39;t need the welfare state, throwing bread crumbs down to the have nots who are in fact the vast majority. The proletariat in the west are better off than the proletariat in the poorer nations, but we&#39;re still caged, cut up fed out, pumped full distorted truths, forced into a state of precarity ect ect

What the fuck are you talking about? I volunteered at homes for the homeless set up by private companies in the New Jersey area. The poor in my country are not spat on, people give millions to charities every year to help these people get by, there are drug and alcohol rehabilitation programs to break the addictions that is the reason for much of the poverty in Western nations. You seriously need to read history as it is, not how Marxists interpret it to their political affiliation.


Firstly, these stories are rarer than platinum mines. Secondly, these people didn&#39;t earn fuck all. If an entrepreneur starts a business, it&#39;s still the working people that produce the profit, he just steals it off them because "he owns the machines" ignoring the fact that the machines were paid for with the profit the workers made him.

Don&#39;t ever tell me Alexander Hamilton didn&#39;t earn his fortunes, the man worked harder than nearly any entreprenuer I have heard of. To go from rags to riches in the 18th Century was nearly an impossible feat. That, and workers agree to work for these companies so they get payed, so that they can feed their families and save up for other things. It is proven throughout history, any slightly productive society needs hierarchy of command to ensure the work gets done.


So it&#39;s make the big time or starve o death, luckily there are some kind people who might give you some soup and bread and let you sleep in the church pews but besides that your a worthless subhuman pile of shit. Be more like richard Brandson, and pray for fogivenes...Forgive me for not seeing the virtues in your real life nightmare

No, you don&#39;t have to make "the big time" you just need to make a living suited for your lifestyle. Socialism is basically "survive off of government programs and distribution laws", Anarchism is essentially "you&#39;re screwed, nobody looks out for you, there is no productivity, and do whatever you want". Capitalism is the much better alternative.


The progress comes from the obliteration of these classes.

What progress?


That doesn&#39;t even make sense

Explain how without any benefit for the person doing so why anyone would take an undesireable job that must be done?


No the idea of work is, we need something done in order to survive, let&#39;s do it.

No the idea of work is "we need something that needs to be done, you do it", that&#39;s how the word works. The reason is because no one is going to start the work unless there is some immidiate benefit for it to be done.


No it wont.

Yes it will. Karl Marx admitted in every society there is a class structure, he identified the structure but didn&#39;t realize that it would never change the way he thought it could be. As soon as one claims to be a leader or implies it, they are in a sense above the soldier in the case of a revolution. Every government post-revolution needs a strong leader, and a leader needs a council of advisors and policy enforcers, there is no other way to hold a post-revolution society together without a structure.


When has a successful anarchist revolution ever ended in oppression? hmm?

If there has ever been a successful anarchist revolution I would like it cited, anarchism creates a power vaccuum of which other more ambitious and possibly ruthless can exploit.


Charity is absolutely pointless, patronising, and nothing but a hobby. I have no respect for a fat popus billionare tha tsxpoited billions of hard working people, and then inflates his already obeese ego by giving some back.

Warren Buffett gave the large bulk of his multi-billion dollar fortune to charity, I would that more than just a hobby. In the same way you claim to be humanitarian by supporting Socialism these people feel that by their own free will, not by a Socialist revolutionary force that they will redistibute their own wealth back to the people in ways that it can help.


No because the ellectoral system is bunk revolutionaries shouldn&#39;t touch it with a barge pole.

That is why your movement gets such minescule support, you resort to imminent revolution, violent revolution as soon as possible. Your movement has no concern for the opinions of others, it is what YOU as selfish individuals think is best for the rest.

[ZhangXun]

It means a fundamental flaw in the systems of production.

The best way to resolve the African famine problems is to get strong reliable governments to bring order and redistribute the wealth through Socialism, the food aid can come from other nations in limited quantities. The farmers must stay in business.


This system of production is supported by the bourgeois state - whatever fascist or democtaric illusions may exist.

Explain what this means?

[Enragé]

Initials: D.A.P
Age: 17
Political Affiliation: Libertarian Communist
Religion: none
Ethnicity: Caucasian, with a little bit of slav
Class of Origin: richer working class (suburban)
Location: Limburg, Netherlands
Job: unemployed, going to help with the upcoming harvest i hope.
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: De Socialist
Stances

George Bush: shoot him

Foreign Policy: Internationalism, worldwide solidarity, if one is oppressed we all are
War in Iraq: the west should get out now
War in Afghanistan: see above
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: hesitantly support
Gun Control: dont care
Government: eliminate it
Education: one of the most important things there are
Globalization: a good thing, but in the way its going now.
Capitalism: against
Socialism: dont think its necessary
Fascism: Against
Communism: For
Favorite Democrats: none
Favorite Republicans: none

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Kropotkin, Marx, Bakunin, Chomsky

[ZhangXun]

I would say he mainly contributed to corruption and inefficiency.

To each his own beliefs I suppose.


Confucianism pretty much calls for blind obedience to authority figures.


His idea was mutal respect between the people and the leaders, anti-revolutionary, and more towards progress for the overall nation.


The fact that is a reactionary pile of trash and still has a major influence on the Chinese.

If you wanna discuss Confucianism, I suggest you start a whole new thread.

That "reactionary pile of trash" has kept China from going through upheaval as much as other more liberal nations, slow progress and slow suffering describe most of China&#39;s history. Rather than the rapid ups and downs of revolutionary politics. Slow and steady wins the race.

[Connolly]

Paul von Hindenburg was a right wing Capitalist no doubt about that but Hitler was not, his atrocities were pursued under the racist phenomenon of National Socialism, America, Britain, Russia, and the other Allied nations fought against his tyranny.

Hitler was actually supported by the German middle and upper class. His party recieved funding from various bourgeois enterprises to counteract the "communist threat" which was wide spread in Germany at the time

How he go in is completely irrelevent. What effect he had is more important.

That effect was the strengthening of the bourgeois state itself - and therefore the bourgeois class and its position.


Incorrect, an authoritarian Communist. He is the one who started the collectivization of farms in the U.S.S.R on a large scale, and one who pursued heavy centralization, going so far as to centralize Aitheist militance by creating the League of the Militant Godless (Aitheists) as a government institution.

Clearly you dont know the definition of state capitalism then.

Communism - or socialsim for that matter - is putting the systems of production directly under proletarian control.

The workers had no control over production. Control was given to beuracrats and political elite. Stalin was the elite of the elite - he was not proletariat - and therefore state bourgeoisie (capitalist) - since he didnt contribute to the production of anything - yet controlled production.


The Ba&#39;ath Party is a Fascist party with Socialist tendencies, not Capitalist.

It was capitalist - since it maintained bourgeois production relations.

Capitalism being the mode of production defined by the existance of such a class.


Mussolini was a Fascist first, a Capitalist free market supporter second, most (nearly all) of Italy&#39;s highways were built under Mussolini&#39;s government programs, his word was law.

He was under control of a bourgeois state since it protected bourgeois production relations (full stop).


Let me ask you this, why do you hold Capitalism responsible for the starvation, poverty, and genocide of all in history and not put any responsibility on the shoulders of the tyrants who allow these things to happen.

Its not the fault of a person, or tyrant - but rather of production relations and of productive development. The capitalist mode of production inherently restricts both goods available to the majority and of production itself.

Its inherently flawed. If there is blame - it is of the bourgeois state and the class it protects - not of anyone individual.


Stalin was no Capitalist, and through direct actions he is known as the worst murderer in human history.

And as I already said - he was - since his state protected bourgeois production relations.


You seem to think that sending over payloads of food will help the situation, did you ever stop to think about what will happen to the farmers in the countries requiring aid? Did you ever think that with companies being contracted to irrigate and help grow that the problem of starvation won&#39;t turn these nations into welfare states entirely dependant on another?

The struggle starts at home. Its a matter of smashing that which restricts production - nothing more.


I&#39;m a Capitalist supporter and an environmentalist, many in this country are and the government will slap regulations on companies to keep them from pursuing potentially destructive projects.

It still maintains bourgeois production relations and property rights. Its restrictive - no matter what.

Therefore - it dosnt represent the majority class - that makes it an anti-democratic state for the protection and interests of a minority.


What the fuck are you talking about? I volunteered at homes for the homeless set up by private companies in the New Jersey area. The poor in my country are not spat on, people give millions to charities every year to help these people get by, there are drug and alcohol rehabilitation programs to break the addictions that is the reason for much of the poverty in Western nations. You seriously need to read history as it is, not how Marxists interpret it to their political affiliation.

WOW :o - what do you want a medal?

That still ignores the fact that production is based around the interests of a minority - rather than the majority.

Because of this flaw within society - the cause of the problems in the first place are those who give charity most - the bourgeoisie.

On that basis - charity does fuck all but add yet more justification to bourgeois position. I mean - one just has to look at Bono and Geldoff - what complete jokes they are. :lol:


Don&#39;t ever tell me Alexander Hamilton didn&#39;t earn his fortunes, the man worked harder than nearly any entreprenuer I have heard of. To go from rags to riches in the 18th Century was nearly an impossible feat. That, and workers agree to work for these companies so they get payed, so that they can feed their families and save up for other things.

Hah&#33; save up for things - how rewarding. Its a pitty they didnt actually get what they worked for.

As to agreeing. :lol: Work or die - it might as well be under Stalin.


It is proven throughout history, any slightly productive society needs hierarchy of command to ensure the work gets done.

Whats defined as a productive society is relative.

Therefore I could say early and primitive forms of communism, without property, without a state and without classes were very productive.

They existed without these fundamental factors that make up capitalism - yet lasted for tens of thousands of years longer than capitalism itself.

The work got done.


Socialism is basically "survive off of government programs and distribution laws

There are no laws under socialism. Nor necessarily a state.


Anarchism is essentially "you&#39;re screwed, nobody looks out for you, there is no productivity, and do whatever you want". Capitalism is the much better alternative.

Maybe you just dont have a clue what your talking about?...could that be it?

Anarchism can and does incorporate socialsim - the end result is communism.


What progress?

The removal of production restrictions.


Explain how without any benefit for the person doing so why anyone would take an undesireable job that must be done?

Like what sort of job?


Yes it will. Karl Marx admitted in every society there is a class structure, he identified the structure but didn&#39;t realize that it would never change the way he thought it could be.

The class system identified by Marx is almost identical to that of today.


As soon as one claims to be a leader or implies it, they are in a sense above the soldier in the case of a revolution.

Revolution dosnt need leaders as such.


Every government post-revolution needs a strong leader, and a leader needs a council of advisors and policy enforcers, there is no other way to hold a post-revolution society together without a structure.

Post revolution there is no government. Socialism as a phase is during revolutionary opposition.


If there has ever been a successful anarchist revolution I would like it cited, anarchism creates a power vaccuum of which other more ambitious and possibly ruthless can exploit.

Paris commune?

various anarchist successes in and during the Spanish civil war. First Jews to arrive in palestine created virtual communism.

What power vacuum? what is the necessity to assume power under communism?


Warren Buffett gave the large bulk of his multi-billion dollar fortune to charity, I would that more than just a hobby. In the same way you claim to be humanitarian by supporting Socialism these people feel that by their own free will, not by a Socialist revolutionary force that they will redistibute their own wealth back to the people in ways that it can help.

It appears you dont know what socialism is, so how could you make such claims.


That is why your movement gets such minescule support, you resort to imminent revolution, violent revolution as soon as possible. Your movement has no concern for the opinions of others, it is what YOU as selfish individuals think is best for the rest.

Our revolution will not occur unless by the democratic will of the people - eroused by class consciousness.

[ComradeTom]

Initials: T.B.S
Age: 15
Political Affiliation: Not exactly sure. I consider my political affiliation somewhere along the lines of libertarian socialism.
Religion: Not sure. I was an atheist but I have my doubts.
Ethnicity: Polish/Irish/German
Class of Origin: Middle-Lower Class
Location: Pennsylvania, United States of America
Job: Grocery Store
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: International Socialist Review and Z Magazine

Stances

George Bush: 0/10 for president.
Foreign Policy: Isolationism. "Humanitarian intervention" does not exist due to the fact that most of these "humane" occupations in countries such as Somalia or Bosnia lead to more violence and even more civillian casualties.
War in Iraq: A magical imperialist adventure created by a wonderful gang of various cowboys and Halliburton executives.
War in Afghanistan: Same as last question.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: No opinion. I look from both the pro-life and pro-choice side.
Gun Control: Against. We should be able to buy guns from 711&#39;s for less than &#036;5.
Government: Needs to be bigger.
Education: State-controlled schools are normally innefficient, but thats because they are not funded adequetly enough. So I say increase funding and mass reform in order to give classrooms more learning materials and make them smaller in order to help individuals that come from different social backrounds in becoming smarter. The more teachers, the better the system.
Globalization: Against.
Capitalism: Against.
Socialism: Support.
Fascism: Against.
Communism: It depends how you define it. If the common Anglo-Saxon American dictionary definition is given to communism, I would have to say no. I don&#39;t support Leninism or any other authoritarian ideologies related to it.
Favorite Democrats: Michael Moore and Ed Rendell
Favorite Republicans: Don&#39;t have one.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)
Mikhail Bakunin, Karl Marx(Only his critiques of capitalism and political economy), Anton Pannekoek, Rosa Luxemburg, Nestor Makhno, Peter Kropotkin, Leo Tolstoy(his writings on organized religon), Errico Malatesta, and Noam Chomsky.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Newkindofsoldier
Abortion: hesitantly support

Why the hesitation?

[Maynard]

Initials: T.A.D
Age: 21
Political Affiliation: Marxist
Religion:Baptised Anglican but none
Ethnicity: English/Danish
Class of Origin:Lower-Middle Class
Location: Wollongong, Australia
Job: Unemployed
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: International Socialist Review, The Economist, New Left Review.

Stances

George Bush: I don&#39;t know what to say. I don&#39;t approve of the job he is doing
Foreign Policy: Revolutionary Internationalism
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support fully under all circumstances
Gun Control: Against
Government: Generally against
Education: Free for everyone
Globalization: As Noxion said "Support as a cultural phenomenon.". Do not support the free movement of Capital
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Support
Fascism: Against
Communism: Support
Favorite Democrats: Eugene McCarthy
Favorite Republicans: Hunter S Thompson. He was part of the commitee to re-elected George Bush the first after all :lol:

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs) Luxemburg, Marx, Engels, Trotsky

[-Red_Star-]

Initials: A.A.S
Age: N/A
Political Affiliation: Left Winger
Religion: None (used to practise islam)
Ethnicity: Bosnian 3/4, Russian 1/4
Class of Origin: Middle-Higher Class
Location: England, United Kingdom
Job: MD Accounting
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Daily News


Stances

George Bush: 0/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Never really thought about it
War in Iraq: Agianst
War in Afghanistan: Agianst
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Against
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: Against
Gun Control: Against
Government: N/A
Education: State Schools
Globalization: It could be for the better
Capitalism: Agianst
Socialism: Dont mind it
Fascism: COMPLETELY AGAINST
Communism: I believe its the best system
Favorite Democrats: hate them all
Favorite Republicans: hate them all
What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Josip Broz Tito &#33;

[Black Dagger]

Same-sex Marriage: Against
Abortion: Against

Why do you oppose these?

[-Red_Star-]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 24 2006, 04:04 PM

Same-sex Marriage: Against
Abortion: Against

Why do you oppose these?
I havent got anything strongly agianst them. i believe all life was given for a reason so abortion shouldnt happen. Same sex marriages, i believe everything should be done the natrual way.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by &#045;Red_Star&#045;+Jul 25 2006, 02:06 AM--> (&#045;Red_Star&#045; &#064; Jul 25 2006, 02:06 AM)
Originally posted by Black Dagger+Jul 24 2006, 04:04 PM--> (Black Dagger &#064; Jul 24 2006, 04:04 PM)
Same-sex Marriage: Against
Abortion: Against

Why do you oppose these? [/b]
I havent got anything strongly agianst them. i believe all life was given for a reason so abortion shouldnt happen. Same sex marriages, i believe everything should be done the natrual way. [/b]

Originally posted by &#045;Red_Star&#045;
I havent got anything strongly agianst them.

So, you only have a little bit against &#39;them&#39;?

If you have so little against &#39;them&#39;, why oppose things that will grant wom*n and queers more autonomy in a society that oppresses both groups?

If you have so little against &#39;them&#39; than your position should be neutral, not &#39;against&#39;, anything else is creating negative outcomes for wom*n and queers, that&#39;s clearly a prejudiced outcome. But then again you did condition your statement with &#39;strongly against&#39;, which i suppose means you do actually have something &#39;against them&#39; after all.


&#045;Red_Star&#045;@

i believe all life was given for a reason so abortion shouldnt happen.

On what do you base this view?

Wom*n are raped for supernatural reasons?


&#045;Red_Star&#045;

Same sex marriages, i believe everything should be done the natrual way.

Are you saying that being queer is unnatural?

Or same-sex marriage is unnatural?

Or both?

Queer sexulaities are well established and documented not only in human populations but in a myriad of other animal populations, how can something that is commonly manifest in nature be unnatural? Logically, if its occurs in nature it is &#39;natural&#39; - any argument to the contrary is based not in nature but in social ideas, socially constructed morals and so forth.

As far as same-sex marriage being unnatural, marriage itself is not &#39;natural&#39;, it&#39;s a human social construction, one cannot be &#39;born&#39; married - it&#39;s a concept that humans have invented fairly recently, &#39;marriage&#39; as a concept has not existed for the vast majority of human history, it&#39;s about as &#39;natural&#39; as that computer you&#39;re using to view this thread, are you opposed to computers on similar grounds? (They&#39;re unnatural)?

[EwokUtopia]

Initials: M.A.C.R.-W.
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: Anarcho-Socialism
Religion: Either a Pantheist or a Nihilist, perhaps a little bit of both
Ethnicity: English, Irish, Scottish, French, Dutch, German, Miami Aboriginal, ultimately human
Class of Origin: The proletariate that is told it is Bourgeois but has no power and only enough money to make the rich richer, enslaved with chains of want.
Location: Peterborough, Ontario
Job: Fish monger
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Adbusters, Al-Jazeera
Stances

George Bush: distract him with a shiney red ball and hang his bosses. He will be my personal pet.

Foreign Policy: Should be no such thing as "foriegn" to have a policy about, all problems are internal, there is only one human planet.
War in Iraq: Strongly Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against/scared shitless by/hopeful Israel wont win this one
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Make it free, safe, and extremely accessable in hospitals (like we have in Canada)
Gun Control: Against in most the world, for in the brainwashed paranoid west.
Government: phase it out over the next few decades, after the revolution of course.
Education: Keep it public and free
Globalization: For alter-globalization
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Fort
Fascism: smash the fash
Communism: sympathetic towards, but pessimistic due to its many failures, especially the CCP
Favorite Democrats: fuck american politicianss
Favorite Republicans: especially the right leaning ones

James Connolly, Chomsky, Robert Fisk, MLK, Abbie Hoffman, Ghandi, Evo Morales, Hugo Chaves, George Habash, Jalaludin Rumi, and of course Marx and Engels and that crowd.

[Delta]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 06:16 AM
Fascism: Against, with very few exceptions.

What are the exceptions?

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by &#045;Red_Star&#045;@Jul 24 2006, 04:06 PM
Same sex marriages, i believe everything should be done the natrual way.
But, clearly, all "marriages" are artificial. Are you against marriage between people of opposite sexes, too?

Luís Henrique

[ZhangXun]

Hitler was actually supported by the German middle and upper class. His party recieved funding from various bourgeois enterprises to counteract the "communist threat" which was wide spread in Germany at the time

Hitler hated Communists, Jews, Homosexuals, Slavs, Catholics, and anyone that did not conform to his twisted ideals of National Socialism, that included complete free market Capitalists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazis#Economic_practice

Nazi economic practice concerned itself with immediate domestic issues and separately with ideological conceptions of international economics.

Domestic economic policy was narrowly concerned with three major goals:

* Elimination of unemployment.
* Elimination of hyperinflation.
* Expansion of production of consumer goods to improve middle and lower-class living standards.



How he go in is completely irrelevent. What effect he had is more important.

That effect was the strengthening of the bourgeois state itself - and therefore the bourgeois class and its position.

The effect was racist fascism with expansionist policies to the extreme, Hitler&#39;s aim was unquestioned authority over Germany, not helping the "bourgeois".


Clearly you dont know the definition of state capitalism then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Capitalism

State capitalism, in its classic meaning, is a private capitalist economy under state control. This term was often used to describe the controlled economies of the great powers in the First World War.


Communism - or socialsim for that matter - is putting the systems of production directly under proletarian control.

That is a dream that will never be realized, it is not feesible by any means revolutionaries offer. I know the U.S.S.R was not a Communist nation as Marx and Engalls said. It would be best described as a "dictatorship for the proletariat", there was massive centralization of programs aimed at redistributing the wealth and resources, Stalin&#39;s terrorism was just a tactic that both him and Trotski believed in to get what they wanted.


The workers had no control over production. Control was given to beuracrats and political elite. Stalin was the elite of the elite - he was not proletariat - and therefore state bourgeoisie (capitalist) - since he didnt contribute to the production of anything - yet controlled production.

Just because the U.S.S.R had political elite does not make it Capitalist, you&#39;d have to be a complete moron to think he was a Capitalist in the free market or the civil liberties sense. He hated privitization and he hated anyone who he thought defied his wishes. He was an extreme authoritarian Socialist, not a Capitalist.


It was capitalist - since it maintained bourgeois production relations.

Let me ask you something, do you judge a system of politics or of ideas by its philosophies, or its actions?


Capitalism being the mode of production defined by the existance of such a class.

Capitalism is more than that, it is private enterprise existing to make profits for their shareholders and the workers that are hired by them. Capitalism is the de-centralization of government to a more privately owned system, it isn&#39;t rich people lining their pockets through state or private enterprise, it is a specific system that holds a certain set of conditions you don&#39;t seem to be aware of.


He was under control of a bourgeois state since it protected bourgeois production relations (full stop).

That doesn&#39;t make him a free market Capitalist, you seem to have a very warped view of what Capitalism actually is.


Its not the fault of a person, or tyrant - but rather of production relations and of productive development. The capitalist mode of production inherently restricts both goods available to the majority and of production itself.

It is the fault of the people who opress, sick racist men like Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler had a set of ideas they believed would give them uncontested power. Hitler hated all except the "master race" and those who went along with them, Saddam hated the Shi&#39;a Muslims and the Kurds, and used his armies to inflict unspeakable pain on them. It isn&#39;t the fault of the rich or the businesses that some lunatic decides to slaughter innocent people.


Its inherently flawed. If there is blame - it is of the bourgeois state and the class it protects - not of anyone individual.

Wrong. It is the fault of the dictator and the people who help him carry out his sinister deeds.


And as I already said - he was - since his state protected bourgeois production relations.

That doesn&#39;t make him a Capitalist, it means he supports a hierarchy structure, the only way to ever ensure any production, Capitalist, Socialist, or Fascist.


The struggle starts at home. Its a matter of smashing that which restricts production - nothing more.

No you have it all wrong, we need to contract businesses to irrigate, grow, and rebuild in these nations, they can do it the quickest and most efficient job, and they have an incentive (money) to do it for. Your "revolution", consists of nothing but pure idealism and abstract concepts you think will work, production will plummet if there is no one above to command or manage.


It still maintains bourgeois production relations and property rights. Its restrictive - no matter what.

Almost every system retains production with leadership, that is why they exist and in many cases thrive. Revolutionary Marxism commits itself to idealism to solve the world&#39;s problems, it says that people don&#39;t need to be commanded, that they should (the proletariat) control the means of production without any oversight by a superior official. The problem is, nothing gets done, if everyone already has what they need, and they don&#39;t have to work for anything else because nobody is making them, then they won&#39;t work.


Therefore - it dosnt represent the majority class - that makes it an anti-democratic state for the protection and interests of a minority.

If the "majority class" is really as committed to revolution as you seem to think they are, Capitalism would cease to exist.


what do you want a medal?

No thank you, these baseless responses will suffice.


That still ignores the fact that production is based around the interests of a minority - rather than the majority.

Again, if the "majority" really took what you are saying seriously there would be no production, without individual incentive and benefit, nothing gets done and the state dissolves.


Because of this flaw within society - the cause of the problems in the first place are those who give charity most - the bourgeoisie.

The cause of the problems in each country vary, if idealists like yourself really gamble that removing class will fix all the problems and a &#39;revoltion&#39; occurs, you will see what a disgusting scenario the revolution created. Jean Jaques Rosseau thought he could have a perfect society after the revolution was through, only eight years later a Fascist (Napolean) would seize control and lead the French into the conquests and subjugation of many nations, when Napolean was defeated and France was beaten, it again descended into a period of uncertainty. Without order and heirarchy there is NO production.


On that basis - charity does fuck all but add yet more justification to bourgeois position. I mean - one just has to look at Bono and Geldoff - what complete jokes they are.

Bono is doing more for the poor and deprived in Africa than any amount of &#39;revolutionaries&#39; are. He puts his money where his mouth is and gives these poor people something to look forward to.


Hah&#33; save up for things - how rewarding. Its a pitty they didnt actually get what they worked for.

It worked for people like my grandfather, someone you once may have described as "the majority class". He was born and raised through the Great Depression without a penny to his name. He made his fortune serving on fishing boats, teaching, and tutoring throughout his life, he is a self made man, and he got what he worked for. Many do, you just don&#39;t care to mention them because it is yet another discredit to revolutionary politics.


As to agreeing. Work or die - it might as well be under Stalin.

Let me ask you something else, have you any knowledge of Russian history? Or history in general? Because if you did you&#39;d retract this ignorant statement, comparing being an American worker to a worker under Stalin&#39;s hellhole. He killed anyone he was suspicious of, American workers were not systematically exterminated for dissidence in the 30&#39;s, 40&#39;s, or 50&#39;s or any other time. They may have had to endure tough conditions, many of them, but I would much rather work in America than Stalin&#39;s Russia.


Whats defined as a productive society is relative.

What I define as productive, is things being made, lives being made better, and buisness earning money and producing products for consumer use. If no work being done, equal distribution of things that wouldn&#39;t exist under a heirarchyless society is "productive" then I&#39;d suggest a better system.


Therefore I could say early and primitive forms of communism, without property, without a state and without classes were very productive.

Well of course there was/is a time when collective starategies were necessary, but even then there were always leaders.


They existed without these fundamental factors that make up capitalism - yet lasted for tens of thousands of years longer than capitalism itself.

The work got done.

There were always those who were commanded and those who led in those societies, always.


There are no laws under socialism. Nor necessarily a state.

In Authoritarian Socialism (the only feesible form of Socialism mind you) there most certainly is.


Maybe you just dont have a clue what your talking about?...could that be it?

Anarchism can and does incorporate socialsim - the end result is communism.

On a significant scale? That is what you revolutionaries want right?


The removal of production restrictions.

That isn&#39;t progress that is madness, that is expecting individuals with no incentive to work, to produce anyway for others they know nothing about.


Like what sort of job?

Let&#39;s say factory worker, or someone who works in a place like a Space Center with very delicate equipment.


The class system identified by Marx is almost identical to that of today.

No it isn&#39;t there is a exponentially larger middle class and much less poor than there were back in Marx&#39;s times. Even then his solution to a &#39;perfect society&#39; is dumb, undoable, and unsustainable on a significant scale.


Revolution dosnt need leaders as such.

Yes it does, for anything significant to happen it always does.


Post revolution there is no government. Socialism as a phase is during revolutionary opposition.

Then the aftermath will not be bright and the post-revolution government will likely end up under control of an amnbitious military strongman, such as Napolean.


Paris commune?

The Paris Commune was a Socialist government that existed for two months and four days.


various anarchist successes in and during the Spanish civil war. First Jews to arrive in palestine created virtual communism.

Even kibbutzes had a set of structure and rules, and these "anarchist successes" I would like cited and if there were any, they obviously did not make much of an impact.


What power vacuum? what is the necessity to assume power under communism?

Power is necessary to hold any society together for a sustained period of time, whether it be in a group or a whole nation. Someone will always be there to fill a power vaccuum, and a revolution serves that to them on a silver platter.


It appears you dont know what socialism is, so how could you make such claims.

Libertarian Socialism is control of the means of production by the workers (according to a Socialist website I viewed), Authoritarian Socialism is a heirarchy that rules supreme, where services and necessary things are distributed equally to the people.


Our revolution will not occur unless by the democratic will of the people - eroused by class consciousness.

And it isn&#39;t, so few support these revolutionary ideals, why bother? The only way to get what you want is to seize control through a coup in a nation with rather shaky security. Other than that, your revolution will never happen.

[Zero]

(because I can)

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Political Affiliations:
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George W. Bush:
Below Zero - 13
0/10 - 17
1/10 - 5
4/10 - 1
8/10 - 3
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Iraq:
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Oppose - 43
Neutral - 1
Other - 1

Afghanistan:
Support - 8
Oppose - 40
Neutral - 1

Lebanon:
Support - 1
Oppose - 43
Neutral (Leaning Lebanon) - 2
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Undeided - 1

Gay Marrage:
Support - 36
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Abortion:
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[Leo]

Political Affiliation: Left Communist
Personal Perspective: Historical Situationist
Religion: Anti-theist
Foreign Policy: Internationalism
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Against
Government: Fuck it
Education: Self-Education
Globalization: Against
Capitalism: Fuck it
Socialism: It is misunderstood
Fascism: Fuck it
Communism: I live for it

What political philosopher(s) or historical figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Louise Michel, Herman Gorter, Leo Jogiches, Rosa Luxemburg, Anton Pannekoek, Sylvia Pankhurst, Karl Korsch, Amadeo Bordiga, Georg Lukács, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Nestor Makhno, Simone de Beauvoir, Guy Debord, Raoul Vaneigem, Pierre Canjuers

[Janus]

It would be best to start a new thread on this but oh well


His idea was mutal respect between the people and the leaders, anti-revolutionary, and more towards progress for the overall nation.
Yes, but respect towards authority figures is what caused so much corruption in China.


That "reactionary pile of trash" has kept China from going through upheaval as much as other more liberal nations, slow progress and slow suffering describe most of China&#39;s history. Rather than the rapid ups and downs of revolutionary politics. Slow and steady wins the race.
China has had more upheavals than most other nations. That&#39;s what the dynastic period was all about. Sure, some dynasties lasted for quite a while but only a portion of those years were actually efficient; the majority was more or less extremely shaky and decay.

Slow and steady wins the race? Except that progression under Confucianism stopped after Confucius. :lol:

[Xiao Banfa]

Initials: AM
Age: 20
Political Affiliation: Marxist-Leninist
Religion:Islamo-Sufi Gnostic
Ethnicity:Pakeha NZ&#39;er
Class of Origin: Proleteriat
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Job: between
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Green Left, Zmag is OK
Stances

George Bush: must become a street sweeper in Iraq

Foreign Policy: Internationalism, Multipolarity, National Liberation
War in Iraq: Graveyard of US Imperialism
War in Afghanistan: Same (Hopefully)
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Victory to Jammoul and Hezbollah
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Free, on demand, no questions
Gun Control: For
Government: should stay untill conditions permit communism.
Education: Free, from cradle to grave
Globalization: Rabid dog
Capitalism: Overstayed it&#39;s welcome
Socialism: The only way
Fascism: It&#39;s adherents&#39; heads must be equated with the pavement
Communism: The only ways&#39; eventual outcome
Favorite Democrats: Ones who repent
Favorite Republicans: Same

Inspirational Figures:
Marx, Engels, Lenin, Castro, Nikta Krushchev, Prophet Mohammed, Liu Xiaoqi, Zhou Enlai, Patrice Lumumba... many many others.

[tech]

Initials: T.M
Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Liberal Leftie (I would not call myself a communist, but I like parts of the socialism-stage of Marxism), my party of choice is Rød Valgallianse or Red Electoral Alliance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Electoral_Alliance)
Religion: Humanist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism), Weak atheist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_atheism)
Ethnicity: Norwegian
Class of Origin: Proletariat
Location: Akershus, Norway
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Dagbladet, ITavisen, Shelley the Republican (it&#39;s satire, and I recongise it as republican bashing)

Stances

George Bush: 2/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Anti-imperialist
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Support (it should be a choice of the couple, both woman and man should have a saying, but who getting the last word would logically be the woman since it&#39;s her body)
Gun Control: Support
Government: Increase it
Education: Fight against privitization
Globalization: Against capitalist globalisation
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Support
Fascism: Against
Communism: I&#39;m unsure, but I like the idea of libertarian communism.
Favorite Democrats: I really don&#39;t pay detailed attention to US politics that much, though I don&#39;t hate democrats.
Favorite Republicans: I despise republicans

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Don&#39;t really know.

[Yamashita]

Initials: M.A.C
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: Not really sure what to label myself, politically my world view is mostly realist , well between realist and liberal.
Religion: Nihilist, Agnostic
Ethnicity: Galician
Class of Origin: Middle-Lower Class
Location: Florida, USA
Job: None
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: None

Stances

George Bush: 4/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Basically the realist philosophy, the first rule of survival is to make state interest the #1 priority
War in Iraq: Not really support it but not necessarily against it, if you can understand that fine, if not forget it
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Support
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Against
Government: Seems fine to me
Education: Seems fine to me
Globalization: Inevitable process which is doing no harm in my eyes
Capitalism: Support
Socialism: Support some ideas
Fascism: Against
Communism: Convinced it won&#39;t happen
Favorite Democrats: None
Favorite Republicans: None
What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Henry Kissinger, Publilius Syrus, Adam Smith, Nietzsche, Seneca, Voltaire etc.

[liberalmountie_2007]

Initials: ZBL
Age: 17
Political Affiliation: Socialism, Trotskyism
Religion: Agnostic/Atheist
Ethnicity: Caucasian
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: Rogers, Arkansas (A.K.A. Conservative Shithole :angry: )
Job: Unemployed
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Time, Atlantic

Stances

George Bush: 0/10 Fuckin Bastard Needs to be impeached
Foreign Policy: anti-border, anti-war, internationalist
War in Iraq: Strongly Against
War in Afghanistan: Strongly Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Strongly Against
Same-sex Marriage: All for (I&#39;m gay)
Women&#39;s rights: support
Abortion: support
Gun Control: support
Government: abolish it
Education: free and universally available
Globalization: too complex
Capitalism: against
Socialism: All for
Fascism: Strongly against
Communism: support
Favorite Democrats: Whichever are the most liberal
Favorite Republicans: None at all
What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs): Karl Marx, Vladmir Lenin, Leon Trotsky, Che Guevera

[Raisa]

Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Communism
Religion: Muslim
Ethnicity: Mediterranean
Class of Origin: Po&#39;
Location: Florida
Job: Retail
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: I dont read a damn lot.

Stances

George Bush: Aint shit

Foreign Policy: Help people who be on the same shit only.
War in Iraq: Hell nah
War in Afghanistan: Hell nah
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): NO
Same-sex Marriage: I could care less.
Women&#39;s rights: Of course.
Abortion: To each their own. Mandatory abortions for people who use drugs when their pregnant.
Gun Control: depends
Government: Give it to the people
Education: Socialise college and make school four hours a day for kids, cause that shit ain natural. And stop teaching white biases to children. Its stupid.
Globalization: Fair trade.
Capitalism: Fuck nah&#33;
Socialism: Hell yeah.
Fascism: Use it against the fascists.
Communism: Inshalla
Favorite Democrats: my momma
Favorite Republicans: the guy we pay car payment to.
What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)
Ho Chi Minh, Fred Hampton

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Political Affiliation: Marxism-Leninism
Religion: None (Born Protestant Christian)
Ethnicity: American (Chinese)
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: New York State
Job: Medical
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: I&#39;m not good at picking favorites

Stances

George Bush: No Different than the Rest of them

Foreign Policy:
War in Iraq: What can you expect?
War in Afghanistan: They needed a enemy
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): We all knew it would happen again
Same-sex Marriage: All marriage is negative
Women&#39;s rights: Equal to Mens - Not more, Not less
Abortion: Choice
Gun Control: Only in Socialism may all have guns
Government: Burn it to the ground
Education: Community Education in Socialism
Globalization: Would happen - Marx predicted the &#39;inter-dependancy of all nations" long ago.
Capitalism: Why else would I be here?
Socialism: +
Fascism: Idiotic - Low influence
Communism: +++
Favorite Democrats: The Leaders are idiots
Favorite Republicans: The Leaders are idiots
What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)
Julius Caesar, Karl Marx, Lenin

[kaaos_af]

Initials: &#39;Z&#39;
Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Anarchist
Religion: old boots you bastard
Ethnicity: English
Class of Origin: Workin&#39; class
Location: Brisbane Australia
Job: former warehouse assistant now student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Profane Existence, Fifth Estate, Not Bored, Slug and Lettuce, Maximum Rock and Roll, Short, Fast + Loud yah de da da

Stances

George Bush: fucking kill him

Foreign Policy: Destroy all borders- for a global federation of syndicates etc.
War in Iraq: No war but class war
War in Afghanistan: No war but class war
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): No war but class war
Same-sex Marriage: break down all institutions of oppression- including marriage&#33;
Women&#39;s rights: Schya&#33; Of course.
Abortion: Pro
Gun Control: weapons for the workers&#33;
Government: Abolish it.
Education: Break down all institutions of oppression.
Globalization: destroy all borders
Capitalism: smash it&#33;
Socialism: "Liberty without socialism is injustice- Socialism without liberty is slavery"
Fascism: Fucking destroy it.
Communism: See socialism.
Favorite Democrats: Politician bastards- all the same.
Favorite Republicans: Politician bastards- all the same.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Ludd.

[*[email protected]*]

Initials: M.S.J
Age: 15
Political Affiliation: The Left, not picky. Anything is better then the right
Religion: None but if it gets in my way ill burn every church to the ground
Ethnicity: Irish-English-Scottish-Welsh-Samoan
Class of Origin:Poor and Homeless
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Job: Student, Furniture Mover and Cartoonist
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Green Left, The Guardian

Stances

George Bush: Should be shot, raped and hung by his cowardly heels

Foreign Policy: Down with American Imperialism and Christian brain washing of the poor :angry:
War in Iraq: Hmmm, thats a tricky one AGAINST :rolleyes:
War in Afghanistan: Mmmm, the sweet smell of mumma&#39;s homebrand Imperialism comes to mind. AGAINST
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Go hezzbolar ya crazy bastards&#33;
Same-sex Marriage: Support because gays are good people.
Women&#39;s rights: Support, anyone that dosnt needs to blow their brains out and end the misrable outdated concept of a woman cooking in the kitchen all day <_<
Abortion: Against....sort of. :mellow:
Gun Control:Fuck those crazy rednecks who shoot my cats with rocket launchers SUPPORT
Government: Needs to shave his eyebrows that control his brain through CIA headquarters (Johnnyyyyyyyyyy&#33;&#33;&#33;) :lol:
Education: Stop brainwashing children with bougiouse bullshit&#33;
Globalization: Stop it, your hurting the Panda... :(
Capitalism: Support small buisness&#39;s but not corporate conglarmarents. :huh:
Socialism: Lets hope.... :unsure:
Fascism:Against. fucken skin heads :angry:
Communism: Lets hope some more.... :(
Favorite Democrats: None, because their dickholes
Favorite Republicans: None, because their rednecks

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Anyone on the left with an idea that can make the Bougious shit themselves in fear&#33;

Sorry for my spelling im wasted at the moment.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by *[email protected]*@Aug 8 2006, 03:03 PM
Abortion: Against....sort of. :mellow:
How do you square that with being a leftist?

[Yamashita]

Same-sex Marriage: Support because gays are good people

I found this one interesting as well, hahaha, he supports gay marrige because "gays" are "good" people&#33; lol Know what that means, he doesn&#39;t support the wars waged by America, because Americans are "evil" people&#33; :rolleyes:


Sorry for my spelling im wasted at the moment

Ahh, yes, that ought to be the reason for the seriousness in his comments. lol

[Quills]

Initials: Y
Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Council communist
Religion: Athiest
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Middle
Location: UK
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: I prefer the internet

Stances

George Bush: Couldn&#39;t care less

Foreign Policy: No borders
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Abolish marriage
Women&#39;s rights: For
Abortion: Till birth
Gun Control: Against
Government: Against
Education: Non compulsary, complete overhaul
Globalization: Inevitable
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Undecided
Fascism: Against
Communism: For
Favorite Democrats: Don&#39;t care
Favorite Republicans: Don&#39;t care

[bezdomni]

Initials: CSB
Age: 17
Political Affiliation: Marxist-Leninist (Trotskyist) with some Maoist influence.
Religion: Atheist
Ethnicity: Caucasian/Hispanic
Class of Origin: Working class
Location: Houston
Job: Student/Tour Guide at Johnson Space Center
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Socialist Appeal, El Militante, Revolution (RCP).

Stances

George Bush: Is listening to my phone calls.
Foreign Policy: I am an internationalist.
War in Iraq: Against.
War in Afghanistan: Against.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against. I support the Israeli working class, not the Israeli state.
Same-sex Marriage: Support.
Women&#39;s rights: Support 100%.
Abortion: Support.
Gun Control: I support the workers arming themselves.
Government: Socialist transitional state into communism.
Education: Free public education up to university with no bullshit.
Globalization: Inevitable manifestation of Imperialism.
Capitalism: Against.
Socialism: Strongly in favor of.
Fascism: Ought to be wiped off the face of the Earth.
Communism: Even more strongly in favor of.
Favorite Democrats: If I had to pick...Dennis Kucinich. There is no dirt on that man.
Favorite Republicans: Irish Republican Socialist Army. They count, right? :P

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)
Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky and to some extent Mao.

[jweathers777]

Initials: J.I.W.
Age: 29
Political Affiliation: Anarchist with interest in Parecon and Anarcho-Communism
Religion: Theologically Conservative Christian (albeit with some unorthodox conclusions); appreciative of Anabaptism and Conservative Quakerism
Ethnicity: English-Irish-Scottish-Cherokee
Class of Origin: Lower-Middle Class
Current Class: Upper-Middle Class
Location: Atlanta, GA, United States of America
Job: Computer Programmer
Favorite News Sources: Antiwar.com, Alternet.org, Infoshop.org, Democracy Now&#33;

Stances

George Bush: 0/10 - One of the worst of many terrible Presidents.

Foreign Policy: Non-aggression; National foreign aid and trade restricted only by partners&#39; human rights records, but never to impose cultural, political, or economic ideals
All Wars: Oppose
Same-sex Marriage: Oppose. I think governments should have nothing to do with marriage. If people want a church to marry them, then they should abide by its understanding of marriage. On the other hand...
Same-sex Civil Union: Support. I think that people should be free and treated equally politically, so if a government grants people certain rights (such as those currently associated with marriage), then there should be no discrimination based upon sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc.
Women&#39;s rights: Support.
Abortion: Against. I consider abortion murder and not a "right". While ultimately I oppose laws passed by governments as I am an anarchist, I do not oppose all laws given the current State system. Thus, I am in favor of making abortion illegal, but I am also in favor of changing our sick capitalist society so that people will never experience pressures that lead them to feel that there is a need to abort a child. Also, I do not use stance on abortion as any sort of litmus test. I also find the term "Pro-Choice" dishonest and deliberately manipulative. I am all for choice - just not the "choice" to kill the unborn.
Gun Control: Against. Although I wish to see our culture abandon guns and violence. Of course, passing laws is not going to accomplish this.
Government: Abolish it. Replace it with horizontal voluntary social organization
Education: Community based and non-compulsory.
Globalization: Oppose if one means the current globalization of trade favorable to large greedy corporations. I support globalization in the sense of tearing down national barriers and promoting unity and solidarity among all people regardless of race, gender, culture, or creed.
Capitalism: Abolish it.
Socialism: Support it when it is more than just a label. I support socialist ideas and policies even when they are found in the context of a government because I support applying band aids when a definitive cure is not in sight.
Fascism: Oppose it.
Communism: Support it in principle. Not sure if a gift economy can be achieved. Hence, my interest in Participatory Economics.
Favorite Democrats: Dennis Kucinich (he&#39;s really more like a Green in Democrat clothing). Not that my liking Kucinich means that I like the Democratic Party. I view the two parties in the US as two sides of the same corporate coin.
Favorite Republicans: None.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

I aspire to be like Christ as He is my one and only Lord.

I would only consider myself a follower of Christ.

There have been various people&#39;s whose actions and writings have influenced or moved me and whom I admire for their fight against injustice and oppression even when I disagree with them in some areas or find that in their zeal they committed grave errors. Some of these folks include: Paul of Tarsis, Leo Tolstoy, Mikhail Bakunin, Karl Marx, Pierre Proudhun, Peter Kropotkin, Gandhi, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King Jr, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Che Guevara, Lenin, Trotsky, Michael Albert.

[An archist]

Initials: B
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: Anarchist
Religion: Anti-theist
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Middle
Location: Belgium
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: none (yet)

Stances

George Bush: monkey face

Foreign Policy: No borders
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Let people do what they want (personally: against marriage)
Women&#39;s rights: For (as wel as men&#39;s)
Abortion: Till birth
Gun Control: Against
Government: Against
Education: Non compulsory, free for all
Globalization: different
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: as a political thing: against
Fascism: Against
Communism: too easily abused
Favorite Democrats: none
Favorite Republicans: none

[Axel1917]

Initials: ZSM
Age: 20
Political Affiliation: Trotskyist
Religion: None (Atheist)
Ethnicity: Irish, Scottish, Scandanavian, German, Czech (appearance wise, I seem to be purely Scottish/Irish).
Class of Origin: Proletariat, or in nonsensical terms, "Middle Class"
Location: Minnesota, USA
Job: Janitor
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Socialist Appeal, BBC, marxist.com, Hands Off Venezuela. I would probably go for more if I had time to read more and go for more expensive subscriptions.

Stances

George Bush: 0/10. A megalomanical cretin that is a figurehead of bourgeois reaction.

Foreign Policy: Internationalist
War in Iraq: Opposed
War in Afghanistan: Opposed
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Opposed
Same-sex Marriage: For, but I believe in organizing on class lines and not falling for the common petty-bourgeois nonsense floating around that is in favor of it.
Women&#39;s rights: I am for equal rights between sexes, but again, I believe in organizing along class lines and not for feminism and that other petty-bourgeois crap.
Abortion: In favor of
Gun Control: Opposed
Government: Strongly in favor of as long as it is the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Education: Free and universal
Globalization: A buzzword; just states the crushing domination of the world market. Marx and Engels had predicted the emergence of globalization almost 160 years ago in The Communist Manifesto.
Capitalism: Opposed. Outmoded and barbaric.
Socialism: In favor of. Tansitory phase to classless society.
Fascism: An extreme form of capitalist reaction, traditionally having the petty-bourgeois for mass basis. Strongly oppose.
Communism: In favor of.
Favorite Democrats: None
Favorite Republicans: None

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs):

Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, V.I. Lenin, Leon Trotsky, Ted Grant, Alan Woods

[Comrade Phil]

Initials: PRH
Age: 17
Political Affiliation: Council Communist
Religion: Atheist
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Proletariat (Middle Class)
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: None. I prefer the internet.

Stances

George Bush: 0/10.
Foreign Policy: Proletarian internationalism.
War in Iraq: Opposed.
War in Afghanistan: Opposed.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Opposed.
Same-sex Marriage: Support homosexual rights. Oppose marriage.
Abortion: Support.
Women&#39;s rights: Support.
Gun Control: Aganist. Weapons are needed for revolution.
Government: Overthrow bourgeoisie rule and establish Workers&#39; Democracy.
Education: Free and universal
Globalization: Neo-Liberal Globalization and the global "free" market must be destroyed.
Capitalism: Strongly oppose.
Socialism: Support dictatorship of the proletariat, not authoritarian party bureaucracy.
Fascism: Strongly oppose.
Communism: Profoundly support.
Favorite Democrats: None
Favorite Republicans: None

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs):

Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Rosa Luxemburg, Leon Trotsky, V. I. Lenin.

[Anti-Red]

Initials: A.R.P.
Age: 16
Political Affiliation: Classical Liberal/Libertarian
Religion: Wesleyan Methodist
Ethnicity: White
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: Michigan, USA
Job: Student
Favorite News Sources: Reason Magazine, LewRockwell.com, My local paper

Stances

George Bush: 0/10

Foreign Policy: Moderately non-interventionist, though not pacifist.
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Support somewhat
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Don&#39;t know
Same-sex Marriage: Support, though it is not very important to me.
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Don&#39;t care
Gun Control: Against
Government: Cut by at least 50% in the next decade.
Education: Decentralized, localized, and voucherized.
Globalization: Some of it good/some of it bad.
Capitalism: It&#39;s my second religion.
Socialism: Makes me puke.
Fascism: Makes me puke even more.
Communism: An impossible theory at best.
Favorite Democrats: Russ Feingold for sure, maybe Howard Dean.
Favorite Republicans: Ron Paul, Barry Goldwater

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Milton Friedman, Thomas Jefferson, Friedrich Hayek, Adam Smith, John Stewart Mill

[CapitalistPatriot]

Initials: A.C
Age: 20
Political Affiliation: Liberal Conservative
Ethnicity: White
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: USA
Job: Student
Favorite News Sources: Internet

Stances

George Bush: 3/10

Foreign Policy: Realism
War in Iraq: Somewhat Against
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Supported
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Against
Government: A little less power.
Education: Should be Free.
Globalization: Can&#39;t fear or criticize the inebitable, plus it&#39;s done more good than bad
Capitalism: Strongly support, although i do see the bad side.
Socialism: Homey don&#39;t play that
Fascism: HATE IT.
Communism: HOMEY HELL SURE DOESNT PLAY THAT&#33;
Favorite Democrats: Ned Lamont
Favorite Republicans: John McCain

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Adam Smith

[Fawkes]

Initials: TLS
Age: 15
Political Affiliation: Anarchist
Religion: baptized Methodist, but I despise all religions, I&#39;m an Anti-Theist
Ethnicity: White......and Proud (just kidding)
Class of Origin: Middle Class, I guess more towards the upper end of the middle class
Location: Conecticut, U.S., Earth, Milky Way
Job: Student
Fav. News Sources: it&#39;s not very leftist but NY Times, ISR, The Progressive, FromOccupiedPalestine (internet)

Stances

George Bush: Should be stoned to death
Foreign Policy: No nations, no borders
War in Iraq: despise imperialists
War in Afghanistan: see above
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Death to the IDF, Death to the government of Israel, Death to Hezbollah
Same-Sex Marriage: those damn homosexuals (said with southern accent) Well, considering that I&#39;m bi-sexual, take a guess
Women&#39;s Rights: stay in the kitchen (just kidding, calm down)
Abortion: support
Gun control: against
Government: let&#39;s use those guns that aren&#39;t controlled to destroy the gov&#39;t...all governments
Education: free, including college
Globalization: Rich get richer, poor get poorer
Capitalism: considering that I&#39;m not a restricted member, what do you think?
Socialism: Libertarian
Fascism: I&#39;m an Anarcho-Fascist
Communism: if you call Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Castro, or Pol Pot communism, than hell no
Fav. Democrats: The ones not in office
Fav. Republicans: the Irish ones

The political philosopher one:
Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Ehud Olmert, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, David Duke

[MKS]

Initials: MKS
Age: 22
Political Affiliation: none
Religion: none
Ethnicity: none
Class of Origin: Working Class Hero
Location: New England, New World, 2006
Job: Laborer
Fav. News Sources: Perception


George Bush: no comment
Foreign Policy: Live and let live?
War in Iraq: America gets what it deserves
War in Afghanistan: Hope my brother dosent get shot.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Just another day in the ME
------"War is the health of the state". War is what we all should detest.--------
Same-Sex Marriage: Marriage is anti-libertarian
Women&#39;s Rights: Strict Feminist
Abortion: against
Gun control: for, but....
Government: a nessecary evil?
Education: non-instituional
Globalization: im all for cultural globalization, not market though
Capitalism: Better than Feudalism
Socialism: in a perfect world
Fascism: a cancer upon humanity
Communism: first we have to define it
Fav. Democrats: none
Fav. Republicans: none

[Zero]

Anarcho-Fascist?

What the fuck are you doing here? Get off RevolutionaryLeft.

[Political_Chucky]

Initials: D.R.
Age: 17
Political Affiliation: Left
Religion: Non-Aligned but believe in god
Ethnicity: Mexican
Class of Origin: Middle-Lower Class
Location: California, United States of America
Job: Unemployed
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Press Enterprise

Stances

George Bush: Fuck George Bush

Foreign Policy: I have a no border policy
War in Iraq: Fuck the war
War in Afghanistan: Fuck the way
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): No opinion
Same-sex Marriage: For it
Women&#39;s rights: For it
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Protection for the people is needed
Government: a corrupted system
Education: A primitive system
Globalization: no opinion
Capitalism: Fuck Capitalism. Only oppresses the minorites. "Can&#39;t have Capitalism without Racism" -Malcolm X
Socialism: Socialism as an idea is good
Fascism: Fuck fascists in anyway
Communism: It can work and should be implemented by true communism.
Favorite Democrats: The dead ones
Favorite Republicans: The ones that have been proven to be corrupted.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Sun Tzu. But even then I inspire my own beliefs with philosphy. In terms of revolutionaries, I greatly respect Che, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr. Gandhi, Jose Marti, Pancho Villa, and Zapata. There is soo many more.

[( R )evolution]

What if the guy asking these questions are forwarding all of this info to the goverement?

[colonelguppy]

Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Libertarian
Religion: Atheist
Ethnicity: Scotish
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: Lawrence Kansas, United States of America
Job: currently unemployed
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: don&#39;t have one
Stances

George Bush: 2/10

Foreign Policy: realistic self preseervation
War in Iraq: against
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): support
Same-sex Marriage: i&#39;m anti-marriage
Women&#39;s rights: i support individual rights
Gun Control: Against
Government: usually sucks ass
Education: is a good idea
Globalization: kicks ass
Capitalism: kicks ass
Socialism: doens&#39;t work to well so i don&#39;t support
Fascism: Against
Communism: stupid as hell
Favorite Democrats: don&#39;t have any.
Favorite Republicans: don&#39;t have any
What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

milton friedman, john stossel

[Whitten]

Originally posted by Freedom for [email protected] 29, 2006 12:48 am
Fascism: I&#39;m an Anarcho-Fascist

The political philosopher one:
Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Ehud Olmert, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, David Duke
Unless your kidding how the fuck are you not restricted?

[Pirate Utopian]

Age: 15
Political Affiliation: Communist
Religion: Atheist
Ethnicity: Dutch
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: Rijswijk, Holland
Job: in school
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: i read the newspaper my parents are members of

Stances

George Bush: fuck him

Foreign Policy: no borders
War in Iraq: against
War in Afghanistan: against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): against
Same-sex Marriage: support
Women&#39;s rights: support
Gun Control: in daily life support
Government: needs to be overthrown
Education: its all love
Globalization: <_<
Capitalism: <_<
Socialism: support&#33;
Fascism: Against
Communism: yeah, word to your mother&#33;
Favorite Democrats: fuck &#39;em
Favorite Republicans: fuck &#39;em
What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs): Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Ernesto &#39;Che&#39; Guevara, Vladimir Lenin

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Whitten+October 29, 2006 10:41 pm--> (Whitten &#064; October 29, 2006 10:41 pm)
Originally posted by Freedom for [email protected] 29, 2006 12:48 am
Fascism: I&#39;m an Anarcho-Fascist

The political philosopher one:
Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Ehud Olmert, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, David Duke
Unless your kidding how the fuck are you not restricted? [/b]

Nearly every second response he made was a joke, didn&#39;t you read all the &#39;just kiddings&#39;?

I.E. He&#39;s kidding&#33;&#33;&#33;

Sheesh. :P

Now on to someone who, unfortunately is not kidding,


MKS
Women&#39;s Rights: Strict Feminist
Abortion: against

:lol:

Come on MKS, &#39;strict feminist&#39; and anti-choice is a logical contradiction.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2006 05:25 pm

I&#39;d laugh, but I&#39;m crying because Blair has done this in the UK already.

Blair has gone towards privitizing education? That&#39;s a suprise, in his more youthful days Blair always seemed to be more of a Labour Party Socialist. What would you say the political climate is there? Are the Tories going into office this election or is it different than what I&#39;m reading?
Well, there certainly has been a shift towards private education, however the comperhensive state school system is still educates the majority of Britains children. In terms of university, the government has certainly taken the stance of expecting students to invest more of their own money into their education - however vast amounts of government money are still poored into the universities.

[Fawkes]

No, I am an anarcho-fascist. I beleive in no hierarchy, yet I worship Hitler and Mussolini. Are you guys kidding me? This is the second time I can remember Black Dagger sticking in to say to a bunch of pissed of people that I was "just kidding". The first time was when I pretended to support Israel&#39;s brutal mass-murder of Lebanese and Palestinian people. In order to think that Anarcho-Fascism actually exists, I&#39;d probably be so stupid I wouldn&#39;t know how to type on a keyboard.

[RedKnight]

Initials: J.T.S.
Age: 23
Political Affiliation: Council Communist
Religion: Secular Humanist
Ethnicity: 95% white/caucasian 5% amerindian
Class of Origin: working class
Location: Ohio, USA
Job: scrap metal scavenger
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: None currently.
Stances

George Bush: oppose on practicly everything

Foreign Policy: non-intervention
War in Iraq: oppose
War in Afghanistan: support military action, oppose how it&#39;s being carried out.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: oppose state recognition of hetero and homosexual relationships.
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: women&#39;s right to choose ends where unborn&#39;s right to life begins.
Gun Control: favour registration and liscencing
Government: limit it
Education: I support community control
Globalization: fair trade
Capitalism: oppose
Socialism: libertarian socialism
Fascism: Against
Communism: in principle
Favorite Democrats: Dennis Kucinich
Favorite Republicans: Ron Paul, George Voinovich

What political philosopher(s) Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemborg.

[Zero]

Oh shit. Stupid me for skimming the wrong parts, sorry about that.

/hammer


Originally posted by "Freedom For all...ALL"
In order to think that Anarcho-Fascism actually exists, I&#39;d probably be so stupid I wouldn&#39;t know how to type on a keyboard.
Then you probably haven&#39;t heard of Anarcho-Stalinism.

[Rollo]

My cousin was confused when she was younger.
Anarcho-Fascist goth. Now she just likes cars.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Red Knight
Abortion: women&#39;s right to choose ends where unborn&#39;s right to life begins.

Right... so when does the &#39;right to life&#39; of an &#39;unborn&#39; begin exactly?

[uber-liberal]

Initials: S.W.F.
Age: 30
Political Affiliation: liberal Socialist, shades of communism
Religion: Atheist-Buddhist
Ethnicity: American. I don&#39;t hyphenate.
Class of origin: White Trash
Location: Northern Nevada, due south of Black Rock City
Job: Janitor for pay, union agitator for fun
Favorite Political Mag: Adbusters

George W. Bush: We found Nostredamus&#39; third antichrist

Foreign Policy: War is not a bargaining chip
Iraq: We broke the egg, so we should fix it, but Washington insiders should pay, not the tax payer
Afghanistan: Have a cousin there. Come home soo, Jason...
Lebanon: Iran needs to sit the fuck down and shut up, as does Israel. Both are trying to play chess with the Lebanese people.
Same-sex Marraige: Why not? Let everyone know true misery...
Women&#39;s Rights: They&#39;re people, too.
Abortion: You are legally alive on your birthday, so pro-lifers need to sit down and shut up. I also think state laws adding a second murder charge to anyone accused of killing a pregnant woman are wholely inflamatory and designed to undermine Roe v. Wade.
Gun Control: My sole conservative side. We have the right to bear arms in case we need to overthrow an unjust government. Now, look around...
Government: Strong, central and accountable.
Education: Should be the best funded government program around. It should also be secular and free of theological teachings as this is essentially all lies.
Globalization: Fair Trade and easy customs
Economics: I believe in the spirit of competition to drive the market along, but not at the expense of the worker or society at large. Capitalist greed doesn&#39;t work, but neither does a governmet-regulated monopoly.
Favorite Democrat: Walter Mondale was pretty cool, but no one currently. Maybe Jimmy Carter. Maybe Al Gore, but only if he looses Tipper.
Favorite Republican: Surely you jest... Friends don&#39;t let friends vote Republican.
Favorite Political philosopher: Frederick Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil", Pete Seeger (musician/folk singer and union agitator), Diogenes (father of classic cynicism).

[The Feral Underclass]

Well, as everyone else is...

Initials: J.A.M
Age: 23
Political Affiliation: Ultra-left; Anarchist Communist
Religion: Agnostic
Ethnicity: Irish-English
Class of Origin: Working class
Location: England
Job: Various different jobs - Working in a cinma mainly: Post-grad Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Inymedia and The Guardian

Stances

George Bush: 0/10

Foreign Policy: Communist Internationalism
War in Iraq: Oppose
War in Afghanistan: Oppose
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Oppose
Same-sex Marriage: Oppose
Women&#39;s rights: Support the emancipation of women.
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Against
Government: Abolish it.
Education: Self-organised and Voluntary
Globalization: Opposed
Capitalism: The absolute destruction of.
Socialism: Against
Fascism: No platform position.
Communism: Libertarian Communism

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Albert Camus, Guy Debord, Karl Marx, Errico Malatesta.

[Rollo]

Initials: M.E.L
Age: 16
Political Affiliation: Evil leninist
Religion: Atheist
Ethnicity: German, Spanish, Yugoslavik and Irish
Class of Origin: Working
Location: Australia
Job: Dick smith sales clerk, computer technician
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Guardian
Stances
George Bush: 0/10
Foreign Policy: Communist internationalism
War in Iraq: Against.
War in Afghanistan: Against.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against.
Same-sex Marriage: Against marriage all together.
Women&#39;s rights: For.
Abortion: For.
Gun Control: For.
Government: For.
Education: For.
Globalization: Against.
Capitalism: Against.
Socialism: Against
Fascism: Against.
Communism: All for vanguard.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Marx, Lenin, guevara,

[Independent Socialist Party]

Initials: LWF
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: left socialist
Religion: None
Ethnicity: caucasian
Class of Origin: Middle class
Location: Devon UK
Job: University student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Private, eye, new scientist.

Stances

George Bush: 0/10
Foreign Policy: Not exactly pacifcist, but war as a last resort. Full equality of all nations, and support for eventual world governement.
War in Iraq: Pure evil and bloody stupid.
War in Afghanistan: Unecissary and idescriminate retaliation against a genuine wrong.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Support gun control.
Government:To be puely democratic, corportate involvement must be eleminated
Education: abolish all private education, democratize Local education authorities (LEA&#39;s) and give greater priority to pripary education.
Globalization: against it in a capitalist way
Capitalism: against
Socialism: Strongly support.
Fascism: Vermently Against
Communism: A good end goal to work towards.
Favorite Democrats: Don&#39;t know.
Favorite Republicans: Dead ones, and all those in prison.

[RedAnarchist]

This has changed slightly -

Initials: S.M.S
Age: 20
Political Affiliation: Anarcho-Communist
Religion: Baptised Anglican, but i&#39;m agnostic
Ethnicity: English, Irish, Welsh
Class of Origin: Proletariat
Location: Lancashire, England
Job: University Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: i sometimes read the Guardian (uk newspaper) but it&#39;s not really left-wing, Indymedia (internet)

Stances

George Bush: How anyone can defend this belligerent, idiotic reactionary is beyond me.

Foreign Policy: Internationalism and global revolution
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: I&#39;m no fan of the Taliban, but against, as America and Britain only wish to create a pro-Western puppet state
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against the Zionist crimes against humanity
Same-sex Marriage: All for them, although marriage is a religious institution
Women&#39;s rights: Very much for - women&#39;s rights are very much connected to the class struggle - woman is the proletariat of the sexes
Abortion: For - a woman&#39;s body is hers
Gun Control: Yes - we won&#39;t defeat our enemies with flowers
Government: Abolish it
Education: Free and public now, after the revolution should be encouraged to learn whatever you want and as much as you want
Globalization: Only helps the rich
Capitalism: Very much against
Socialism: Parliamentary socialism is just reformism. Revolutionary socialism is the future.
Fascism: Very much agaisnt
Communism: An historical inevitability.
Favorite Democrats: A lesser evil when it comes to American politics, but still evil
Favorite Republicans: Dead ones

[kaaos_af]

Initials: Z.
Age: old enough to drink let&#39;s say
Political Affiliation: anarchist
Religion: zil
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Working class
Location: Australia
Job: student, former warehouse technician
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Profane Existence, Maximum Rock n Roll, Green Anarchist, -Short, Fast and Loud-, Rebel Worker, Mutiny, Arson etc. etc.


Stances

George Bush: zil
Foreign Policy: Against all borders
War in Iraq: Oppose
War in Afghanistan: Oppose
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Oppose
Same-sex Marriage: Pro
Women&#39;s rights: Pro
Abortion: Pro
Gun Control: Pro
Government: Oppose
Education: Oppose
Globalization: Oppose
Capitalism: Oppose heart and soul
Socialism: Libertarian Socialism, yes.
Fascism: Oppose
Communism: Non-Leninism communism, yes.
Favorite Labor: Latham
Favorite Coalition: Joyce

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Sid Vicious

[t_wolves_fan]

Well, as everyone else is...

Initials: T.W.F.
Age: 30
Political Affiliation: Rockefeller Republican
Religion: Agnostic-Buddhist hybrid
Ethnicity: German, Danish
Class of Origin: Lower Working class
Location: United States
Job: Bureaucrat in charge of more than &#036;30 million in expenditures.
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Foreign Affairs, The Economist

Stances

George Bush: I give him an F-.

Foreign Policy: Humble, non-interventionist free-trade.
War in Iraq: Oppose
War in Afghanistan: Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): You mean the one started by Hezbollah? Support.
Same-sex Marriage: Support.
Women&#39;s rights: Support.
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Generally against it.
Government: Only good at certain things; if you believe it&#39;d be good at more you&#39;re hopelessly ignorant and naive.
Education: Run at the state level.
Globalization: It&#39;s inevitable.
Capitalism: Best system I&#39;ve heard of.
Socialism: Strongly Against.
Fascism: Strongly Against.
Communism: Impractical, give it up.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Madison, Jefferson, Mason, Sowell, Hayek, Volcker, George Carlin.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

nitials: F. U. H. Q.

Age: 26

Political Affiliation: Center-right; Independent; Have voted for both Reps and Dems

Religion: Raised Catholic but only attend Church during holidays in order to keep up appearances with family; not a big deal really....but I know that&#39;ll offend alot of you here. Two words: Lighten up.

Ethnicity: Polish, Russian and Czech

Class of Origin: Started lower, then made our way through the middle

Location: Pennsylvania, United States of America (moved here recently)

Job: Former admissions department at a small state university; now work for a trucking company that pays me twice as much I had ever made at that shitty job.

Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Washington Times, NY Times, Economist, Business Week

Stances

George Bush: 5/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Pre-emption, Realism, Multi-lateralism or unilateralism if support is limited or non-existant depending on objective.

War in Iraq: Supported initially but I want us to succeed in whatever it is that we are doing there.

War in Afghanistan: Support

War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): No comment

Same-sex Marriage: Support (even though most gays don&#39;t give two shits about the thing)

Women&#39;s rights: No special privileges or rights; equality.

Abortion: For, but should not be used as a method of birth control nor should it be championed.

Gun Control: Against

Government: Downsize it while cutting taxes throughout the board.

Education: It&#39;s there if you want one, whether private or public.

Globalization: It&#39;s already here.

Capitalism: Support but must be backed up by the protection of private property rights established by the rule of law. Keep up the good work America&#33;

Socialism: I keep getting different definitions of it, can&#39;t formulate opinion on it.

Fascism: We have some fascist elements in our politcal and economical system that seem to be justified and work rather well. (i.e. corporations)

Communism: The communists dont&#39; even know what the fuck it is&#33; "Robots will make everything and we&#39;ll just work because we like it". Got it&#33; (end sarcasm).

Favorite Democrats: Bill Clinton, because he knew that the liberal platform was a dead-end; same with other Democrats who endorse the same platform.

Favorite Republicans: Newt Gingrich, Bill Buckley, Rudy Giuliani, Ronald Reagan.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Edmund Burke, John Locke, Machiavelli, Adam Smith, Framers of the Constitution, and I tip my hat off to Marx...not a dumb guy that&#39;s for sure.

[The Feral Underclass]

All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?

[Zero]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
And how are you going to have a revolution without guns? :huh:

[An archist]

Initials: Too paranoid to give them here
Age: 19
Political Affiliation: Anarchist
Religion: Anti-theist
Ethnicity: uhh, western European?
Class of Origin: worker? employee?
Location: Belgium
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: internet
Stances
George Bush: Vade retro Satan&#33;

Foreign Policy: No borders, no nations
War in Iraq: Against.
War in Afghanistan: Against.
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against.
Same-sex Marriage: Against marriage all together.
Women&#39;s rights: For.
Abortion: For.
Gun Control: Against
Government: Against.
Education: For.
Globalization: Against.
Capitalism: Against.
Socialism: Against
Fascism: Against.
Communism: Only the end stage.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)
Proudhon maybe

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Initials: J.LL.B
Age: 14
Political Affiliation: Far-left
Religion: ?
Ethnicity: Welsh
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: Swansea - Wales-UK
Job: Student at school
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Week, The Independent,The guardian
Stances

George Bush: -10/10 as president

Foreign Policy: communism
War in Iraq: strongly against
War in Afghanistan: " "
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Strongly Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support (equal pay, job opportunity, etc...)
Abortion: ?Unsure?
Gun Control: "
Government: Downsize it
Education: Free
Globalization: Neutral, it seems inevitable though.
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: For
Fascism: VERY STRONGLY Against
Communism: For
Favorite Democrats: N/A
Favorite Republicans: N/A

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with?
Marx, Engles,Lenin, bob marley,haile selassie, mandela

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Initials: AB
Age: 16
Political Affiliation: Marxist
Religion: Agnostic
Ethnicity: Caucasian? Irish?
Class of Origin: Middle Class
Location: Ireland
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Various

Stances
George Bush: Don&#39;t much care for him to be honest.
Foreign Policy: Too vague a question
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: For
Women&#39;s rights: For
Abortion: For
Gun Control: For (I think)
Government: For
Education: For
Globalization: For
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: For
Fascism: Against
Communism: For

[Demogorgon]

Initials: I.N.P
Age: 20
Political Affiliation: Far Left
Religion: None
Ethnicity: Human
Class of Origin: Middle/Working Class
Location: Scotland
Job: University Student. Odd Jobs here and there
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: The Herald
Stances

George Bush: 0/10

Foreign Policy: Internationalist
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Most guns should be illegal.
Government: It should eventually wither away
Education: Needs to be changed obviously. Should do more than simply prepare people for a life in the rat race. And I really hate the fact they teach for constant exams.
Globalization: Against. Internationalism is my alternative
Capitalism: Against, utterly against.
Socialism: Strongly in favour of
Fascism: Completely against
Communism: Highly suspicious given past events but I do try and keep an open mind. And I was a Communist in the past myself.
Favorite Democrats: none
Favorite Republicans: none

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Marx, Rousseau, David Schweickart

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Zero+October 31, 2006 04:12 pm--> (Zero @ October 31, 2006 04:12 pm)
The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
And how are you going to have a revolution without guns? :huh: [/b]
What?&#33;

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+October 31, 2006 07:07 pm--> (The Anarchist Tension @ October 31, 2006 07:07 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 04:12 pm

The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
And how are you going to have a revolution without guns? :huh:
What?&#33; [/b]
He was agreeing with you, and adding to your point, so the whole challenge would be read like this:

All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted? And how are you going to have a revolution without guns? :huh:

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Initials: E.R.
Political Affiliation: Ultra-Left; Marxist-Leninist
Religion: Atheist
Ethnicity: Chinese
Class of Origin: Upper Working Class
Location: United States of America
Job: Unemployed Currently

Stances

George Bush: At least he&#39;s causing people to react strongly against him.

Foreign Policy: Communist Internationalism
War in Iraq: Imperialist
War in Afghanistan: Imperialist
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Ultra-Imperialist
Same-sex Marriage: Against All Marriage
Women&#39;s rights: Equality
Abortion: Choice
Gun Control: Let the People Decide
Government: Abolish
Education: Bourgeois Education, But Mainly Self-Read Education and Expierience
Globalization: Opposed
Capitalism: Patriachal Enemy
Socialism: Or Death
Fascism: Destroy
Communism: and Only Communism

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Fidel Castro, Julius Caesar

[RedKnight]

Originally posted by Black Dagger+October 30, 2006 08:52 am--> (Black Dagger @ October 30, 2006 08:52 am)
Red Knight
Abortion: women&#39;s right to choose ends where unborn&#39;s right to life begins.

Right... so when does the &#39;right to life&#39; of an &#39;unborn&#39; begin exactly? [/b]
The second trimester. A more detail description of my views can be found here. http://www.m-hekmat.com/en/0600en.html#T25

[lvleph]

Initials: ELF
Age: 28
Political Affiliation: Somewhere between Anarcho-Syndicalist and Individual Anrachist
Religion: Atheist (because I don&#39;t want to sit on the fence)
Ethnicity: who cares
Class of Origin: Working class
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Job: Hydrogeologist
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Not sure

Stances

George Bush: 1/10 (he has convinced some people the republicans suck)

Foreign Policy: I don&#39;t believe in foreigners
War in Iraq: Oppose
War in Afghanistan: Oppose
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Oppose
Same-sex Marriage: For
Women&#39;s rights: For
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Against
Government: Abolish it.
Education: Something needs to be done, but I am not sure what
Globalization: Opposed
Capitalism: Consumerism is what I hate
Socialism: Yes please
Fascism: Pigs
Communism: Syndicalism

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Kropotkin and a bit of Thoreau

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by MonicaTTmed+November 01, 2006 01:19 am--> (MonicaTTmed @ November 01, 2006 01:19 am)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 07:07 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 04:12 pm

The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
And how are you going to have a revolution without guns? :huh:
What?&#33;
He was agreeing with you, and adding to your point, so the whole challenge would be read like this:

All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted? And how are you going to have a revolution without guns? :huh: [/b]
Oooooh I get it.

Thanks :)

[lvleph]

I never understood an anarchist that supports gun control. Seems very anti-anarchist.

[RevolutionaryMarxist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 07:48 pm
I will someday be king of the world. :lol:
I thought you were opposed to Kings remember?

[silentprotest]

Initials: AGW
Age: 18
Political Affiliation: Far-Left Socialist
Religion: Agnostic
Ethnicity: British
Class of Origin: Middle-Class
Location: London, England
Job: Student
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: None

Stances

George Bush: 3/10 as president

Foreign Policy: Internationalist
War in Iraq: Against
War in Afghanistan: Against
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Against
Same-sex Marriage: Support
Women&#39;s rights: Support
Abortion: Pro-Choice
Gun Control: Support
Government: Increase in size
Education: Nationalised
Globalization: Against
Capitalism: Against
Socialism: Support
Fascism: Against
Communism: Would be great if it could work.
Favorite Democrats: None
Favorite Republicans: None

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Karl Marx, Peter Kropotkin

[AlwaysAnarchy]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
I also support gun control, there is no point as we cannot possibly defeat a large professional army with shotguns and the like. The only thing it could be used for is hurting other people unneccessarily :(

[which doctor]

Originally posted by PeacefulAnarchist+November 01, 2006 11:47 pm--> (PeacefulAnarchist @ November 01, 2006 11:47 pm)
The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
I also support gun control, there is no point as we cannot possibly defeat a large professional army with shotguns and the like. The only thing it could be used for is hurting other people unneccessarily :( [/b]
So you want the government to have a monopoly on weapons?

:blink:

[colonelguppy]

Originally posted by PeacefulAnarchist+November 01, 2006 11:47 pm--> (PeacefulAnarchist @ November 01, 2006 11:47 pm)
The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
I also support gun control, there is no point as we cannot possibly defeat a large professional army with shotguns and the like. The only thing it could be used for is hurting other people unneccessarily :( [/b]
well obviously if we didn&#39;t have gun control we&#39;d hav emore than shotguns and the like.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by PeacefulAnarchist+November 02, 2006 05:47 am--> (PeacefulAnarchist @ November 02, 2006 05:47 am)
The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
I also support gun control, there is no point as we cannot possibly defeat a large professional army with shotguns and the like. [/b]
How do you expect to exact gun control? How does, "everyone is free to do what they wish, providing they don&#39;t encroach on the freedom of others" reconciled with gun control?

You can&#39;t pick and choose freedom. Anyone is entitled to own a gun if that&#39;s what they want and even if you don&#39;t like that idea, there isn&#39;t much you can do about it; unless you put your faith in a police force to exact an executive mandate against those who own guns.

I&#39;m not down with that&#33;


The only thing it could be used for is hurting other people unneccessarily :(

And what happens if a group of capitalist mercenaries comes to your village to murder everyone and burn the houses down.

Would you lay down in the road and cover yourself in flowers? You people make me barf&#33;

[Rollo]

TAT you don&#39;t understand pacifism clearly. If a group of capitalist mercenaries come and kill your family and the like you&#39;re supposed to do nothing and that makes the bad people go away.

[BreadBros]

Actually I think the way it works is Noam Chomsky shows up at your house and opens up a can of linguistic whoop-ass.

[WaynePrice]

Initials:W.P.
Age: 60
Political Affiliation: Revolutionary Anarchist
Religion: atheist-humanist
Ethnicity: Jewish
Class of Origin: white-collar working class
Location: New York City, United States of America
Job: Retired school teacher and school psychologist
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Northeastern Anarchist; The Utopian; www.Anarkismo.net

George Bush: hate him

Foreign Policy: Anti-imperialist
War in Iraq: Solidarity with the Iraqi people against U.S.-British aggression.
War in Afghanistan: Ditto
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): Solidarity with Lebanese people against U.S.-Israeli aggression
Same-sex Marriage: Support, but against all legallized marriage
Women&#39;s rights: Support in all areas
Abortion: Support right to free, legal, abortions and women&#39;s right to choose
Gun Control: Against
Government: Abolish it along with the capitalist system which needs it
Education: Integrate into all society
Globalization: For internationalism, against imperialism.
Capitalism: Against.
Socialism: For libertarian socialism, against state socialism, which in practice amounts to state capitalism
Fascism: Against, to the death.
Communism: For the goal of libertarian communism; against statist "Communism" which is really state capitalism.
Favorite Democrats: None.
Favorite Republicans: None.

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Peter Kropotkin, Karl Marx, Errico Malatesta, William Morris


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[Fawkes]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2006 11:19 am
Actually I think the way it works is Noam Chomsky shows up at your house and opens up a can of linguistic whoop-ass.
Hell yeah he does.


This is to PeacefulAnarchist: When you say that a professional army can&#39;t be defeated with a bunch of shotguns, that makes me think, has history taught us nothing?

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 07:37 pm
Initials:W.P.
Age: 60

You&#39;re 60 and you buy into this stuff?

:huh:

[BurnTheOliveTree]

:lol:

The chomsky thing is hilarious&#33;

In fairness, Chomsky is just like, I dunno, your cute pacifist Grandfather or something. I <3 him. And he could blatantly kick the shit out of any soldiers&#33; He&#39;d get his walking stick out, distract them with strange talk about Pol Pot and holocaust denial, and then BAM&#33; Straight to the temple with the stick. Lights out.

-Alex

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by t_wolves_fan+November 06, 2006 09:08 pm--> (t_wolves_fan @ November 06, 2006 09:08 pm)
[email protected] 06, 2006 07:37 pm
Initials:W.P.
Age: 60

You&#39;re 60 and you buy into this stuff?

:huh: [/b]
Yeah, he&#39;s what we like to call intelligent. That&#39;s not to say that all capitalists are stupid, some are just evil and greedy.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by Freedom for all...ALL+November 06, 2006 09:48 pm--> (Freedom for all...ALL @ November 06, 2006 09:48 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 09:08 pm

[email protected] 06, 2006 07:37 pm
Initials:W.P.
Age: 60

You&#39;re 60 and you buy into this stuff?

:huh:
Yeah, he&#39;s what we like to call intelligent. That&#39;s not to say that all capitalists are stupid, some are just evil and greedy. [/b]
I never quite got Communists or anarcho-Communists who believe in evil.

[Zero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 09:53 pm
I never quite got Communists or anarcho-Communists who believe in evil.
Not all of us study philosophy or absolutism RS :lol: .

[Fawkes]

Is that sarcasm?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by PeacefulAnarchist+November 02, 2006 04:47 am--> (PeacefulAnarchist @ November 02, 2006 04:47 am)
The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
I also support gun control, there is no point as we cannot possibly defeat a large professional army with shotguns and the like. The only thing it could be used for is hurting other people unneccessarily :( [/b]
Why are you not restricted yet? I suppose you&#39;ve never heard of guerrilla warfare....

[Zero]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+November 06, 2006 10:54 pm--> (LeftyHenry @ November 06, 2006 10:54 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2006 04:47 am

The Anarchist [email protected] 31, 2006 10:55 am
All the anarchists who have posted that they support gun control, how do you expect that control to be exacted?
I also support gun control, there is no point as we cannot possibly defeat a large professional army with shotguns and the like. The only thing it could be used for is hurting other people unneccessarily :(
Why are you not restricted yet? I suppose you&#39;ve never heard of guerrilla warfare.... [/b]
Yes&#33; Restrict everyone who doesn&#39;t agree with your opinion&#33; That solves every problem&#33;

[VonClausewitz]

Age: 19
Political Affiliation: Centrist, Authoritarian.
Religion:
Ethnicity: English
Class of Origin: Working Class
Location: Midlands, England.
Job: Factory general-worker.
Favorite Political Magazines or Newspapers: Don&#39;t read any political ones.
Papers - The Times, Daily Mail, Express & Star.

Stances

George Bush: 4/10

Foreign Policy: Pax Britannia
War in Iraq: No Support
War in Afghanistan: No Support
War in Lebanon (Israeli Invasion): No Support
Same-sex Marriage: No Opinion
Women&#39;s rights: Support to a point
Abortion: Support
Gun Control: Fully Support
Government: Needs to be more efficient
Education: State-controlled, works fine as it is.
Globalization: Fully Against
Capitalism: It works doesn&#39;t it ? No Opinion.
Socialism: For in limited instances
Fascism: For in limited instances
Communism: Against in principle, for in theory.
Favorite Democrats: Not being an American, I don&#39;t care.
Favorite Republicans: ""

What political philosopher(s) or figure(s) would you identify yourself most with? (In terms of alignment of beliefs)

Not many direct political writers, but I like Kantian ideas, and some of what early Chartists had to say. I think though, that me and the Duke of Wellington would get on quite well politically.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2006 04:27 pm
Papers - The Times, Daily Mail, Express & Star.
No surprise there.