"aryan Anarchist Skins"

[PRC-UTE]

this is really fucked up. It comes across as sympathetic to the nazis and repeatedly calls them anarchists.


http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=5155646&nav=1sW7

Anarchist Group Rallies in Small Town

A group of white supremicists called the Aryan Nations held a demonstration to protest illegal immigration in the U.S. They say they chose Oregon, Illinois because of the number of immigrants in Ogle County. Only four activits showed up and dozens of people took a stance against their rally.

Like a scene out of an old western, the two sides squared off in the middle of town. Michael Wharfield joined the local community members in protesting the anarchists. He said, "We just came to show that this is unacceptable in our community."

The group chanted ‘Nazis go home,' amidst the Aryan Anarchist Skins' explanation for their presence in Oregon. Commander Skin with the group shouted to the community, "Ya'll come out here, you want immigrants in your country. You don't want to have any benefits for when you retire. You don't want to have any jobs. It works out perfect then right?"

Another member of the group, Lisa Shultz also tried to explain their purpose. She said, "Even the illegal immigrants that are here now if you just go get your paperwork done. Get a job pay your taxes, that's basically what it's about."

Shouts from the local opposition drowned out any chance for debate between the two groups.

Bria Puitt came to the rally to hear the Anarchists' point of view. She said, "I did want to hear what they had to say because I don't like to be ignorant myself so I wanted to hear what their message was and in-turn have some sort of intelligent debate."

No chance. The yelling disrupted any sort of debate and the Aryan Nations members who hoped to bring a message to the small town walked away with an earful themselves after a mere hour of cross-fire chants and angry shouts.

[Zero]

Oregon Illinois? Wtf?

[Janus]

They called the Nazis anarchists? Where? And I don't see how it is sympathetic to these fascists.

[PRC-UTE]

Janus;


The group chanted ‘Nazis go home,' amidst the Aryan Anarchist Skins' explanation for their presence in Oregon

[Janus]

Oh, my mistake. For some reason when they said two groups, I thought they were talking about an anarchist group and a neo-Nazi one.

Hmm...that is strange and messed up.

[Anarchia]

They call themselves the Aryan Anarchist Skins, so as annoying as it is, I don't blame the paper for referring to them by their name. What is annoying is lines like this:

"Bria Puitt came to the rally to hear the Anarchists' point of view."

Coz what she heard sure as fuck wasn't an anarchist POV.

[elmo sez]

Talk back (http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=192243&nav=menu132_2)

Go to that link , its and tell them that these people were definatly not anarchist ive already started the thread

[BurnTheOliveTree]

I posted, merci beaucoup for the link.

-Alex

[YSR]

I just called the station and complained, but I don't think it will get anything done.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 17 2006, 11:03 AM
I just called the station and complained, but I don't think it will get anything done.
About what? They call themselves anarchists. The racist right has been adopting radical leftist language and rhetoric for some time now, perhaps in hopes of confusing young radicals or somehting.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

www. aryan-nations.org

There Nazi's

<_<

scary



--Paz

[Avtomatov]

That sites kind of weird.

[Forward Union]

http: //www.aryan-nations.org

There Nazi&#39;s

<_<

scary



--Paz [/QUOTE]

haha they sell furniture (?)

[Zero]

Aryan Nations was HQed in Washington awhile back...

Scary ass shit -.-

[bcbm]

http&#58;//ilskinheadgrrl.tripod.com/

This is their website.

It should be noted that all of the other major "white pride" organizations have completely disowned them, due to their support of gays and lesbians. With any luck, Nazi infighting will do our job for us on this one.

[Zero]

Why is it that NAZI&#39;s have no fucking idea how to design a website? Seriously, all I ever see is shitty sites hosted on Tripod, Angelfire, or Yahoo&#33; Made on WYSIWYG editers.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 12:38 PM
Why is it that NAZI&#39;s have no fucking idea how to design a website? Seriously, all I ever see is shitty sites hosted on Tripod, Angelfire, or Yahoo&#33; Made on WYSIWYG editers.
Report abuse on it and get it shut down. Nazi morons.

[Avtomatov]

someone needs to create a nazi party which is really communist, the nazi symbol will attract the kids to it.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 06:54 PM
someone needs to create a nazi party which is really communist, the nazi symbol will attract the kids to it.
:huh:

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 07:54 PM
someone needs to create a nazi party which is really communist, the nazi symbol will attract the kids to it.
What do you mean by that?

[MrDoom]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Jul 17 2006, 07:19 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Jul 17 2006, 07:19 PM)
[email protected] 17 2006, 07:54 PM
someone needs to create a nazi party which is really communist, the nazi symbol will attract the kids to it.
What do you mean by that? [/b]
He means someone should make a bizzarro German Worker&#39;s Party.

One that uses Nazi symbols, calls itself Nazi, but in fact has a Communist ideology.

That&#39;d be pretty funny, actually.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 02:38 PM
Why is it that NAZI&#39;s have no fucking idea how to design a website? Seriously, all I ever see is shitty sites hosted on Tripod, Angelfire, or Yahoo&#33; Made on WYSIWYG editers.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

so TRUE&#33;


someone needs to create a nazi party which is really communist, the nazi symbol will attract the kids to it.

Not at all.



--Paz

[Janus]

someone needs to create a nazi party which is really communist, the nazi symbol will attract the kids to it.
How would that attract kids? Symbols are symbols whereas ideologies are much more important.

[Avtomatov]

The swastika is aesthetically pleasing.

[bayano]

has anyone else looked at the &#39;aryan anarchist skins&#39; website? http://ilskinheadgrrl.tripod.com/

they mention anarchism a couple of times, but i skimmed the site and couldnt find anything actually anarchistic, tho they have a heavy emphasis on white nationalism. very weird. perhaps some real anarchist groups should go after them and, ahem, teach them what real anarchists are about. maybe that can smack their misuse of our term out

what i dont get is that the article goes back and forth between calling them the AAS and the aryan nation. its just a bad article, really poorly written and edited, totally inconsistent. perhaps AAS is a wing or outgrowth of AN?

[Mujer Libre]

Exactly what anarchists need, more misrepresentation of what we&#39;re about.

[elmo sez]

has anyone asked them why they call them selves anarchists?

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 05:33 PM
has anyone asked them why they call them selves anarchists?
I sent them a "cease and desist" email. Does that count?

[Zero]

By associating with both the Anarchists and the Nazi&#39;s they have effectively given themselves two enemies.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 01:25 PM
Talk back (http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=192243&nav=menu132_2)

Go to that link , its and tell them that these people were definatly not anarchist ive already started the thread
great work, that&#39;s what I was coming back to suggest myself.

people should leave feedback. everything about the article is crap - typo in the first line, cliché writing, the last paragraph especially attempts to portray the nazis as civilised, and so on. we should also ask, why do FOUR nazis showing up anywhere get press? :huh: could be a dozen lefties and they&#39;d ignore it.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

My guess is that the author of the article is just an idiot. It is from a small midwestern town, after all. The journalist calls them anarchists, but it&#39;s not accurate at all&#33; Maybe they are just too ignorant to realize that.

Also, are Aryan Anarchist Skins and Aryan Nations the same group or something? Because at first the article says the "rally" (of four nazi&#39;s :lol:) was put on by Aryan Nations and then they say they are the "Aryan Anarchist Skins" and at first they refer to them as white supremacists and then as anarchists for the rest of the article. Again, the author has to be a complete idiot.

[Zero]

Holy shit, is it just me or is their site really goddamn slow?

[PRC-UTE]

http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/56095.php?

another story about it

[which doctor]

Fuck, that&#39;s like 45 minutes away from me.

I wish I would have known about it in advance, I could have gone and represented a real anarchist, the ones that like to kill nazis.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 18 2006, 09:11 AM
Fuck, that&#39;s like 45 minutes away from me.

I wish I would have known about it in advance, I could have gone and represented a real anarchist, the ones that like to kill nazis.
Come up to Madison in August.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Well Nestor Mahknos troops had anti-semitic progroms.
So maybe they drew their line from there?

[bcbm]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 18 2006, 09:24 AM
Well Nestor Mahknos troops had anti-semitic progroms.
So maybe they drew their line from there?
<_<

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/...ti-semitism.htm (http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/makhno-nestor/works/1927/11/anti-semitism.htm)

Mahkno executed people who undertook anti-semitic actions.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 18 2006, 03:27 PM

Mahkno executed people who undertook anti-semitic actions.
Still his troops terrorized Jewish people.
And did he kill all of the anti-semites?

[Idola Mentis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 09:46 PM
they mention anarchism a couple of times, but i skimmed the site and couldnt find anything actually anarchistic, tho they have a heavy emphasis on white nationalism. very weird. perhaps some real anarchist groups should go after them and, ahem, teach them what real anarchists are about. maybe that can smack their misuse of our term out
Not really surprising. Nazis have been feeding on other "story-complexes" since the beginning of their movement. They operate by picking out whatever idea/symbol/spiel could work at the time, and twist it until it fits with their agenda.

I don&#39;t fully understand why they do it. It doesn&#39;t seem to be a deliberate strategy. Maybe it&#39;s just a side effect of their arrogant, blinkered method of processing data, and the physical and intellectual poverty of the average recruit.

[YSR]

Originally posted by El Kablamo
Well Nestor Mahknos troops had anti-semitic progroms.
So maybe they drew their line from there?

Damn, I shoulda collected bets on how long it would take for one of you people to try to tie this to actual anarchism. That&#39;s pretty low, Kablamo.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 18 2006, 06:28 PM
Damn, I shoulda collected bets on how long it would take for one of you people to try to tie this to actual anarchism. That&#39;s pretty low, Kablamo.
"You People" whats that supposed to mean?
I just suggested the possibilities.
You can&#39;t deny there is a history within the anarchist movement of anti-semitism, aswell as there being one against it.

[Janus]

Also, are Aryan Anarchist Skins and Aryan Nations the same group or something?
I think they may be affiliated with each other but that&#39;s it.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by black banner black gun+Jul 18 2006, 10:19 AM--> (black banner black gun @ Jul 18 2006, 10:19 AM)
Fist of [email protected] 18 2006, 09:11 AM
Fuck, that&#39;s like 45 minutes away from me.

I wish I would have known about it in advance, I could have gone and represented a real anarchist, the ones that like to kill nazis.
Come up to Madison in August. [/b]
Eh... Madison is nearly 3 hours away from me.

May I ask what&#39;s going on in Madison that&#39;s worth coming up for?

Oh yeah, if anyone knows any other rallies that this group is doing in Illinois, please tell&#33;

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 18 2006, 12:54 PM
May I ask what&#39;s going on in Madison that&#39;s worth coming up for?
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=52468


Oh yeah, if anyone knows any other rallies that this group is doing in Illinois, please tell&#33;

White Revolution will be in Illinois August 5th.


Still his troops terrorized Jewish people.

Read the writing I linked earlier, thanks.

[RomanticRevolutionary]

Anarchism-The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished.

According to this definition (not that Im saying it is the only one) It is quite possible for white nationalist to be anarchists. Or any ethnic Nationalist.

(hypothically~ I have no government and I will only sleep with and support the white race. Therefore I will only have white children and I will only live around white people.)

Plus there is a huge difference between white supremacy and white nationalism.

I dont support either but I can respect the oppinion of a white nationalist.

[Zero]

Originally posted by "RomanticRevolutionary"
I dont support either but I can respect the oppinion of a white nationalist.
Somehow I can&#39;t respect them. Mostly because of the firebombings, and maiming/killing of immigrants.

[RomanticRevolutionary]

Thats not the oppinions thats the actions. I dont apreciate terrorist violence of any ideology.

I agree that affirmative action is wrong bum bum bum.
I think if you move to another country than you should respect their laws. Which means attaining legal status their. And if you dont have the integrity to go though the system and do what it takes to be productive than why the hell are you there?

Sorry for getting off topic but I just wanted to state that the views and the actions are very different things to respect about any group of people.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 01:14 PM
Anarchism-The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished.
The dictionary is a not legitimate source for anarchist ideas. Anarchism is against all forms of authority and coercion and enforcing "racial purity" would certainly fit the bill, not to mention the rest of things racists have on the agenda.


Plus there is a huge difference between white supremacy and white nationalism.

No there isn&#39;t. That "We don&#39;t hate anyone, we just love the white race" is a complete load of crap and even they know it&#33;


I agree that affirmative action is wrong bum bum bum.

Why is correcting 500 years of systematic oppression wrong?

[bcbm]

Their site was shut down.


The page you are attempting to access has been removed because it violated Tripod&#39;s Terms of Service.

:banner:

[Mujer Libre]

I think if you move to another country than you should respect their laws. Which means attaining legal status their. And if you dont have the integrity to go though the system and do what it takes to be productive than why the hell are you there?
WTF? We&#39;re REVOLUTIONARY leftists. We think that the current form of social and economic organisation is structurally fucked up- why should we be supporting it? No thanks.

And the things that you&#39;re saying also sound kind of assimilationist... Ugh.

[Zero]

Originally posted by "Mujer Libre"
the things that you&#39;re saying also sound kind of assimilationist
Not in defense of ethical relitivism, but your stating that a correct Revolutionary Leftist opinion would be against assimilation, therefore pro-cultural. Isn&#39;t culture, and tradition simply another chain?

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 10:35 PM
Isn&#39;t culture, and tradition simply another chain?
It doesn&#39;t have to be. I think a mono-culture would certainly be a lot more chain-like.

[RomanticRevolutionary]

I dont agree with assimilation but why move to the country that you refuse to be apart of. You might as well have stayed put. If you moved to the country than you obviously wanted to somehow be apart of it instead of the country you came from. this is only if you are a legal adult though. Im not holding it against children and teenagers, who were dragged there by their parents against there will, to fight assimilation.

It is not a very revolutionary idea to run away from a country that you are opressed with anyway. A revolutionary idea would be taking a stand and fighting for a better cause.

And as for affirmative action. I dont care about what has happened in the past. Sure I have sympathy but I still think the right people for the job should get the job. Affirmative action has gone as far as medical school and hospitals and I thouroughly believe that fields such as medicine belong to the best not the people whose ancesters have been oppressed. Ive met plenty of minorities who are mentally capable of attaining higher positions without it being handed to them. If racial discrimination comes up than there are plenty of ways to fight that too.

[bcbm]

I dont agree with assimilation but why move to the country that you refuse to be apart of.

To follow the resources and oppurtunities that were robbed from your country, perhaps?


I dont care about what has happened in the past.

Probably because it doesn&#39;t affect you today. People still bearing the results of 500 years of discrimination and oppression would perhaps feel differently.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 18 2006, 03:27 PM
Mahkno executed people who undertook anti-semitic actions.
Yes I know but still there were generals within the forces that commited anti-semitic pogroms. Maybe thats where they take their line from.

sheesh sorry to threaten the anarchist morale high-ground.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 19 2006, 06:49 PM
Yes I know but still there were generals within the forces that commited anti-semitic pogroms.
Cite, please. I&#39;ve already linked one document from a Makhnovista saying that the accusations of pogroms are lies.


Maybe thats where they take their line from.

Do you seriously believe these Nazi morons have even heard of Makhno? :rolleyes:

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 20 2006, 04:47 AM
Cite, please. I&#39;ve already linked one document from a Makhnovista saying that the accusations of pogroms are lies.
Grigoriev who was comanding units in the army was declared by Mahkno himself as a pogromist, its in the link you sent me.

Did Mahkno advicate these atrocities against the Jews, no. Was Grigoriev shot when found out, yes.


Do you seriously believe these Nazi morons have even heard of Makhno? :rolleyes:

I don&#39;t underestimate my openents.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 20 2006, 02:57 PM
Grigoriev who was comanding units in the army was declared by Mahkno himself as a pogromist, its in the link you sent me.

Did Mahkno advicate these atrocities against the Jews, no. Was Grigoriev shot when found out, yes.
Fair enough. In any case, the summary execution pretty much dismisses the "anarchists as pogromists" thing. Did some Ukranian peasants enact pogroms from the Makhnovista army? Yes. Were the anarchists? Mm, no.


I don&#39;t underestimate my openents.

Did you see their website? :rolleyes:

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Remember that the fascist Bill White (who runs overthrow.com and belongs to the National Socialism Movement) started out as an anarchist.. he even started a group called the Utopian Anarchist Party in high school..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_White_%28neo-Nazi%29

[YSR]

Remember that Lyndon LaRouche was a Trot for a long time, and was in the SWP. Then he became a homophobe and a nutjob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

You are fucking unbelieavable, Lennie Jusche. Trying to tie anarchism to fascism is an old fun game for strict Marxists, but it&#39;s so passe.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Yeah.. I wasn&#39;t trying to tie anarchism to fascism, nice try though... I was just pointing out that this wasn&#39;t the first group of fascists to call themselves anarchists.

And LaRouche was a petty bourgeois piece of shit.. he would have never been allowed a voice in any authentic worker&#39;s movement.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Lennie [email protected] 20 2006, 05:52 PM
Yeah.. I wasn&#39;t trying to tie anarchism to fascism, nice try though... I was just pointing out that this wasn&#39;t the first group of fascists to call themselves anarchists.
As I said earlier in the thread, fascists have been trying to adopt the language and rhetoric of the far-left for awhile now (especially Troy Southgate and co, but others as well) but, of course, we&#39;ve all called them on it.

Bill White was a nutjob then who was disliked, ostracized and criticized by most anarchist groups and the same is true of his interactions with the NSM. He&#39;s been removed from their membership roster for being a giant douchebag. With any luck, some intra-fascist conflict will claim his life.

[Commie Rat]

Everyone is crying that they call them selves Anarchists, who the fuck do they think they are calling theselves skins. Fuckers.

[YSR]

Yeah.. I wasn&#39;t trying to tie anarchism to fascism, nice try though... I was just pointing out that this wasn&#39;t the first group of fascists to call themselves anarchists.

So when you wrote this:


Remember that the fascist Bill White (who runs overthrow.com and belongs to the National Socialism Movement) started out as an anarchist.. he even started a group called the Utopian Anarchist Party in high school..(My bold)

What was it exactly that you were saying? That someone who called himself an anarchist later became fascist. What an interesting tidbit&#33; And yet I don&#39;t see how it "point[s] out that this wasn&#39;t the first group of fascists to call themselves anarchists." Rather, it appears to connect anarchism and fascism in this person, without offering any kind of context about what kind of anarchist he was or what happened that led him to fascism. It appears to tie the two ideologies together.

I&#39;ve been trying to reread your statement, but I can&#39;t seem to find any other reading of it other than the one where you are just attempting to bait anarchists and our sympathizers by protraying anarchism as a continuum through which one becomes a fascist.

So I suggest you find some hard evidence about the "Nazi recruitment camp" that is anarchist thought or else stop saying shit like this.


And LaRouche was a petty bourgeois piece of shit.. he would have never been allowed a voice in any authentic worker&#39;s movement.

You&#39;ll find no argument from me.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

What was it exactly that you were saying? That someone who called himself an anarchist later became fascist. What an interesting tidbit&#33; And yet I don&#39;t see how it "point[s] out that this wasn&#39;t the first group of fascists to call themselves anarchists." Rather, it appears to connect anarchism and fascism in this person, without offering any kind of context about what kind of anarchist he was or what happened that led him to fascism. It appears to tie the two ideologies together.

I&#39;ve been trying to reread your statement, but I can&#39;t seem to find any other reading of it other than the one where you are just attempting to bait anarchists and our sympathizers by protraying anarchism as a continuum through which one becomes a fascist.

So I suggest you find some hard evidence about the "Nazi recruitment camp" that is anarchist thought or else stop saying shit like this.

I guess I assumed most people familiar with U.S. politics knew about Bill White. He was promoting racist ideas while calling himself an Anarchist.

[Zero]

He also became an Anarchist after hanging out with some Anarchists.

He later became a Fascist after hanging out with some Fascists.

Bill White is a scene monkey. Besides, his career is over anyway, the NSM is bust.